Comments on: Knicks Morning News (2018.06.09)

By: The Glass Half Rebuilt

The Glass Half Rebuilt — Sun, 10 Jun 2018 14:37:34 +0000

I’m not sure that’s true. Last year we saw Fultz, Fox, Ball, Smith Jr, Ntilikina, and Mitchell all go in the 1st 14 picks and every team seems to be happy enough with their player. Maybe Fultz may end up busting but that’s because Philly has the worst medical staff in the NBA. This year is the same thing; teams who take any big out of Ayton, Bagley, Bamba, Carter Jr, and Jackson Jr should be happy with the player they select.

By: Donnie Walsh

Donnie Walsh — Sun, 10 Jun 2018 14:32:28 +0000

There are no Jahlil Okafors in this draft.

There weren’t supposed to be any Jahlil Okafors in the 2015 draft either.

Big men go bust in the lottery every year. This year will be no different.

By: The Glass Half Rebuilt

The Glass Half Rebuilt — Sun, 10 Jun 2018 09:20:48 +0000

Stop saying Jackson is a full two years younger. He was born in September 1999, Bagley was born in March 1999 and Carter Jr was born in April 1999. Ayton is July 98 and Bamba is May 98.

Also, Jackson Jr was a .596 2PT% guy and Bagley was at .647. He didn’t block the shots, but he also didn’t need a per 40 to average 21 points and 11 rebounds as an 18 year old in college either. He did that per game with an outstanding efficiency. Jahlil Okafor doesn’t get PT because he got hurt in Philly and he can’t rebound along with the fact that he can’t defend. Bagley is a poor defender but he’s an excellent rebounder on both ends and he’s a high motor guy with the skills to face up and take bigs off the dribble. He’s also 2 inches taller than Okafor who was really like 6’8” without shoes.

There are no Jahlil Okafors in this draft.

By: Bruno Almeida

Bruno Almeida — Sun, 10 Jun 2018 05:31:17 +0000

Yeah, as soon as I read the Bagley is a 20/10 guy I instantly remembered that’s how everyone described Okafor, another bad defender / old fashioned offensive game big man.

I might end up terribly wrong and my record of predicting Duke prospects lately is garbage, but I don’t want to go anywhere near Bagley. With the 9th pick maybe simply because him dropping so much would probably mean everyone else interesting is gone, but definitely not in the top 5.

By: djphan

djphan — Sun, 10 Jun 2018 04:01:27 +0000

that i can agree with…. jackson is probably another serge ibaka type of player… but the fact is everyone besides carter has a ceiling much lower than that…. and it’s not just me saying that… the numbers scream that out too…..

jackson’s a full two years younger than all the rest of these guys… he’s on a much different trajectory than most of them because of it…. a center prospect that gets >.600 2p fg …. >10 boards per 40.. >4.0 blocks and >20pts is a pretty rare feat… and the only guy who’s surpassed all those markers is jackson who just happened to be the youngest big in this draft….

that’s not something that you can handwave your way thru… esp when you’re hyping guys who are lesser defensive players and are two years older in comparison…. and it’s not really based on much other than they were dominant scoring inside….

it sounds a lot like the folks who hyped up jahlil okafor… and that ended up with a lot of befuddled guys who are making the same mistake again….

By: The Glass Half Rebuilt

The Glass Half Rebuilt — Sun, 10 Jun 2018 03:29:47 +0000

All I’m saying is Jaren Jackson Jr has a pretty good chance of being Jarred Jeffries 2.0. People acting like he’s a can’t miss top 3 prospect in probably the best draft of the decade are missing the point. Literally everybody else in the top 7 or so has franchise player potential while Jackson Jr’s ceiling is that of an elite role player that playoff teams will force to make beat them. I think he’s a project of a prospect and when you consider the ceilings of Bagley, Bamba, Ayton, and Carter Jr, all of whom should be ready to contribute from Day 1, he’s not worth the risk until all of those guys are off the board.

By: The Glass Half Rebuilt

The Glass Half Rebuilt — Sun, 10 Jun 2018 03:20:37 +0000

Bagley is a better rebounder than both of those guys, though. He’s closer to what KAT is right now than what Griffin and STAT were considering he’s still a great bet to get 20 and 10 a night as a pro. I like Bagley a lot and I think that good defense can be contagious. I think Memphis would be a really good fit for him, and to a lesser extent Dallas with DSJr would be a really good 1-2 punch.

By: djphan

djphan — Sun, 10 Jun 2018 03:17:27 +0000

and what about embiid?

By: ptmilo

ptmilo — Sun, 10 Jun 2018 03:01:03 +0000

It’s hard to take much from any given variable. Embiid committed 5.8 fouls per 40 with fewer blocks than JJJ. He still fouls a lot but he’s a great defender. I get being concerned about Jackson’s offensive upside as an elite prospect, but I think he’ll be a formidable defender. Bagley in the other hand doesn’t have much of chance of being even an okay defender given how bad his instincts and timing are. Bosh is really really not his comp as Bosh was a smart, aware defender who could rim protect from day one and also wasn’t nearly an athletic monster like Bagley. I see Bagley as more of an Amar’e / Blake Griffin kind of prospect who will need dominant offense to offset shitty defense.

By: The Glass Half Rebuilt

The Glass Half Rebuilt — Sun, 10 Jun 2018 02:33:17 +0000

KAT is a terrible example. KAT stopped fouling and turned into a poor defender as an NBA player, but at least he’s an elite offensive player. Jaren Jackson will not have an offensive game to lean on in the NBA.