Comments on: Knicks Morning News (2018.03.28)

By: Stratomatic "It's tough being us"

Stratomatic "It's tough being us" — Thu, 29 Mar 2018 13:19:42 +0000

@83

Yeah, I’m with you.

IMO, the idea is generally to get better not worse. You can do it via draft, trade, G League, or free agency and since every team is in different situation, the correct thing to do will vary. I don’t think it’s smart to toss away pretty good players trying to get worse. You may get a better pick, but you are also setting yourself back time wise without any guarantee you will get that better player. If you do, you will get better and probably be right back where you were to begin with without an opportunity to add more top draft picks.

There are ways of trading current value for future value (like if we traded Lee and got an expiring contract and a couple of picks) that make sense even if you get a little worse short term, but even there you can’t start giving away more then you get or you will be running place forever.

A lot of it is a crap shoot. It’s easy to see the successes, but there are loads of failures too.

By: Ben R

Ben R — Thu, 29 Mar 2018 01:11:39 +0000

@81 That’s the main thing. Teams can tank and continually pick in the top 5 until they hit on a player, but once they do they usually quickly rise out of the high lottery. That’s why it’s hard to tank into two franchise changing talents. You either need to hit the jackpot in consecutive years like OKC, have an injury to your franchise changing talent like Philly or SAS, make lopsided trades and get high lottery picks, like Boston or Philly or hit on a franchise changer out of the high lottery like GS.

Usually, it’s hard to stay truly bad once you draft a star. That’s the Knicks problem, KP won us too many games, even with him missing half a season and us having the worst record in the NBA since his injury, to get a top 5 pick this year. He will do it again next year after he returns. It’s why Milwaukee and New Orleans can’t seem to draft a second star.

By: Stratomatic "It's tough being us"

Stratomatic "It's tough being us" — Thu, 29 Mar 2018 00:45:27 +0000

This team is very unimpressive without Embiid.

If he can stay healthy (which is probably at least as big a risk as with KP), he’s going to be an all time great C. This team has some very good pieces without him, but imo they’d still be in the lottery without him.

By: Stratomatic "It's tough being us"

Stratomatic "It's tough being us" — Thu, 29 Mar 2018 00:43:54 +0000

Absent injuries that reward teams that aren’t so bad with very good draft picks (which is not the intent of the system) or the extreme behavior we are seeing from the Bulls this year (which needs to be changed), it’s all kind of efficient. The worse you are, the better the pick you get, but the better the pick you get, the quicker you should get good and start getting worse picks. Some teams are just luckier with ping pong balls and others are luckier or more skilled at drafting. It’s the teams that trade away draft picks for older players or that make bad trades and free agent signings that never get anywhere. #Knicks

By: kevin5318

kevin5318 — Thu, 29 Mar 2018 00:20:26 +0000

This team is very unimpressive without Embiid.

By: Brian Cronin

Brian Cronin — Thu, 29 Mar 2018 00:19:38 +0000

In reply to Stratomatic “It’s tough being us”.

It is kind of killer knowing that if Porzingis wasn’t hurt, this team would definitely be fighting hard to draft 13th overall.

By: Stratomatic "It's tough being us"

Stratomatic "It's tough being us" — Thu, 29 Mar 2018 00:15:16 +0000

@76

Kind of like the Spurs getting Duncan because Robinson was out.

Who knows, maybe we’ll pick a star at 9 that we wouldn’t have gotten if KP never went down.

By: JK47

JK47 — Thu, 29 Mar 2018 00:14:51 +0000

Simmons was drafted in 2016, after the 2015-2016 season. The 76ers were 10-72 that season. They were the worst team in the league by seven games. Even if Embiid had played a full season they may very well still have been the worst team in the league.

They were still “Processing” pretty hard around that time. Hollis Thompson (who dat?) led the team in minutes.

By: Ben R

Ben R — Thu, 29 Mar 2018 00:04:34 +0000

@70 tanking didn’t get the Sixers Simmons. It got the Sixers Embiid but it was Embiid’s shitty recovery that got them Simmons. That’s not a knock on tanking but the only reason the Sixers had a chance to get Simmons is Embiid sat out two consecutive seasons. Has Embiid came back after one season, like expected, the Sixers would have been way too good to get Simmons.

By: Brian Cronin

Brian Cronin — Wed, 28 Mar 2018 23:42:33 +0000

In reply to swiftandabundant.

His one coaching gig was a rebuild and he helped them get to respectable playoff status with a young team.

He wasn’t hired to rebuild that team. It only looks that way because the team went down 13 wins in his first season there before going up 24 wins in his second season there. That team was supposed to get better in his first season. Jackson was hired because he was the hottest coach on the market because of his announcing and that gig was the hottest gig on the market (not counting the Lakers, which was clearly going to Brown).