14.5 pts 12.4 reb 3.7 ast 1.0 Stl 2.7 BLK 2.4 TOV FG% .556

In 42 of those games he has played over 20 minutes. His per 36 #s in those games.

16.6 pts 13.2 reb 3.8 ast 1.1 Stl 2.7 BLK 2.1 TOV FG% .593

Admittedly there’s sample bias in here. You’re more likely to get more minutes when you’re playing well (or some would say if you have some great matchup the coach is exploiting but that’s basically bullshit). I would also add that KOQ has similar in game splits in those games as a typical NBA player, i.e. if it was sample bias from a player who was only good for 15 minutes of high production you’d expect a bunch of great starts followed by unusually poor endings and that is not what you see, though the sample from that perspective is pretty meager. This isn’t some tiny portion of his games. He is putting up higher per minute production in the 30% of his games when he is closer to regular minutes than he is in the 70% of games he is putting up teenager minutes.

It’s far from definitive but it seems hard to say that he couldn’t do his thing for longer stretches at similar per minute production, except that he fouls a lot so would foul out a few times. Of course he has also gotten in much better shape these last two years so you can legit wonder what would happen if he a signed a multi-year deal.

Tell me, would anyone in the world be happy building around a core of Michael Carter-Williams, Evan Turner, Jrue Holiday and Thaddeus Young? Please. If this was the current Knicks squad we would be raging even more than we are. Hinkie broke up a shit team with zero chance of ever doing anything and now they’re in great position for Colangelo to screw everything up and people to say the process never worked, because the league would rather fuck the Sixers than admit their system is ridiculously flawed.

I don’t even think the Process was even that obscene of a tank

Seriously. The Knicks have only won a few more games during this span than the Sixers. Who wouldn’t rather lose with a plan than lose without one?

I see him as a productive player with enough good years ahead of him that if we can get him back at a fair price or home discount, we should re-sign as a long term piece with KP, Frank, Hardaway, our draft picks and anyone else we can add.

Strat, we pretty much agree, then. I suggested 4 for $10 mil per (because I believe he’ll get that). I understand why people think that is too rich for a guy who only provides 3 wins per year, but with more minutes, I feel pretty confident he’d provide more wins – he’s not Cole Aldrich – and his game isn’t based on athleticism that’s likely to decline in the next few years. We could bump years 3 and 4 so that we had max FA room in 2019, and then we’d have a good 5 backing up KP….one hopes…at a reasonable rate.

I mean, if he’d sign a 4 year deal for $8 mil per, awesome. But I believe both the numbers and the eye test: he’s a good player contributing wins at a low salary who will still likely be solid when we are in a much better position to make a run.

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Sources: Forward Troy Williams has agreed to a two-year deal with the Knicks, with partial guarantees for 2018-19. He’s averaged 8.1 points in eight games with New York during his two 10-day deals.