Comments on: Knicks Morning News (2018.02.24)

By: ess-dog

ess-dog — Sun, 25 Feb 2018 00:50:44 +0000

Kanter trying to prove us all wrong tonight.

By: Grocer

Grocer — Sun, 25 Feb 2018 00:30:30 +0000

Playing next to a solid rim defender like KP is Kanter’s best possible option, which is why the adjusted numbers look so bad. Keeping Kanter around depends on that combo, and if you think KP is going to transition to the 5 there’s no point in keeping him. But within that constraint yeah, he’s probably worth 8 games.

Effective small ball lineups still score a lot in the paint. Going big against them is going to be an effective strategy going forward, provided you’ve got the wing defenders to keep the perimeter from getting too easy for them. Frank’s a good step in that direction, but Hardaway is not. I don’t see our future lineup being one that can realistically feature Kanter as a starter and still compete at a high level.

By: d-mar

d-mar — Sun, 25 Feb 2018 00:04:28 +0000

Anyone else get the feeling kpwill have knee issues for the duration of his career being so tall and all…

Probably could get a 1st top three pick for him… just saying

Maybe, but there’s probably a 50% chance that that player turns out to be a bust or just mediocre. It’s like Let’s Make a Deal – you can keep the 2 week Hawaii vacation or roll the dice and maybe behind door #3 is a 200 foot yacht. But it might also be a dishwasher.

I can’t give up on KP yet.

By: Bruno Almeida

Bruno Almeida — Sat, 24 Feb 2018 21:53:33 +0000

@25

I’m not saying it’s not useful, it definitely is, all i was saying is that just on off splits and plus minus is not enough, it has to be adjusted. Kanter is not better at the adjusted numbers? Really can’t find them right now.

By: Sir Robin

Sir Robin — Sat, 24 Feb 2018 21:27:57 +0000

My thoughts on Horns are that he’s not a great coach. I don’t even know if he’s a good coach. Specifically do not like what I see about his communication style, e.g. KP, WHG, Noah, Frank, etc. Doesn’t seem to provide clear direction to his players.
But the FO doesn’t really care, cause he may be next out the door as part of clearing Phil’s dead weight. Willy was part of that program as well. And Frank may also be in that category as well. Why clean house now, when “blame Phil” is the gift that will keep on giving over the next few years?
Don’t get me wrong, Phil did a horrible, lazy job and had to go.

By: Stratomatic "It's tough being us"

Stratomatic "It's tough being us" — Sat, 24 Feb 2018 21:24:09 +0000

@17

Adjusted on/off takes into account who you play with and against. Kanter is still a net negative player and O’Quinn is solidly positive this year.

If it was just one year, I’d suspect it was some aberration related to sample size or a specific lineup that doesn’t work with him. But Kanter has been a net negative for as long as I’ve been looking at numbers like that. That’s partly why my view on him has been all over the map. On the one hand he’s a very efficient scorer and solid rebounder, but on the other hand all the evidence suggests that when he’s on the court the team does worse (both OKC and NY).

Some of it is clearly defense.

I suggested recently that OREBs in combination with efficient scoring may be overvalued by boxscore metrics. Both have value, but the combination probably gets too much. I recently ran this by Dean Oliver on twitter when he tweeted about the value of OREBs. He “liked” my theory that the combo is overvalued. So maybe he agrees.

Recently I took a look at some of the highest ranked players by boxscore metrics when a lot of their value comes from OREBs. When I looked at their adjusted on/off numbers, they were mostly disappointing relative to what the boxscore models were saying. Stevie Adams is another.

I’m not going to argue that adjusted on/off is perfect. It’s not. But when you see a pattern like that, I think it’s telling you something useful.

By: Sir Robin

Sir Robin — Sat, 24 Feb 2018 21:10:26 +0000

Mase. You might be right, and that would mean his value may never be higher than it is right now, factoring in the low cost contract, so if we trade him before his max deal we don’t have to take back too much crap.. But unless he blows out a knee in the next two years he will still retain great value.
I also don’t like his landing patterns. Too prone to stress on the ankles and knees. The NYKs’ MUST invest in a big man coach who can totally break down his Achilles’ heel, his footwork. That includes landing, flexibility and strength training. To focus only on upper body development is a fool’s errand.
The NYKs failures in player development are another check box on the “trade KP” side of the ledger.

By: english_knick

english_knick — Sat, 24 Feb 2018 19:31:19 +0000

We absolutely can’t give Kanter 8-10m AAV on his next deal. We’re already paying $18m to a guy who should be our 6th man based on skill set. We have a terrible roster. If we want to add any type of decent FA in 2019 or 2020 we need to be super-careful about our cap.

KP is going to be on 25% of the cap soon enough, with Hardaway not far behind. The rest of the deals on this team should be rookie-scale deals and low-cost fliers, not 10m per for guys who might fit well off the bench on a good team but just don’t move the dial for us.

By: Sir Robin

Sir Robin — Sat, 24 Feb 2018 19:21:10 +0000

Good offensively depending on game circumstances. Bad defense. Appears to be a good teammate and durable. Just pay him correctly. The current contract rate is too high IMO.

By: ClashFan

ClashFan — Sat, 24 Feb 2018 18:52:17 +0000

As I and others here have long said, Kanter is a terrific scoring big off the bench, playing like 18-20 minutes or so. Against certain teams you can play him a bit more. If he’d resign here keeping that in mind, he’d definitely be worth keeping.

Surely he’ll opt in, and then if he’s not interested in a reasonable extension, they should try to get something for him before next year’s deadline.

My fear is OQ leaves for greener (as in money) pastures, Noah is bought out, and the Knicks decide to PAY Kanter next year for a Timmy like deal, or worse…

BTW, on OQ, caveat emptor. The guy finally got in good shape this past offseason and has played his best BB. I wonder why? Could it have anything to do with having a player option that he can decline, become a FA, and get PAID? Hmm. Once paid, will he still stay in shape, motivated, etc.?