Comments on: Knicks Morning News (2018.02.09)

By: Stratomatic says "It's tough being us"

Stratomatic says "It's tough being us" — Sat, 10 Feb 2018 14:20:16 +0000

all those who say with a straight face that Capela is anything less than an All-NBA player can suck my ass

Capela is one of the better Cs in the league, but let me ask you something.

If we added Harden to KP, Hardaway, Jack etc… would we immediately make a explosive move upwards?

imo “yes”.

What about Chris Paul?

imo “yes”.

What about Capela?

imo “no”.

Capela would definitely make us better because he’s a way better defender than Kanter, but he’s not the piece that’s going to change a bad team. He’s the piece you are trying to add to a team that already has the star level scoring and play making it needs. That way he can score efficiently playing off them on offense and focus on rebounding and defending the paint.

There’s a difference.

If you value rebounds the way some metrics do, they suggest you can put Capela, Jordan, Drummond, Whiteside, Adams, Kanter, Chandler etc.. on a bad team and have the same or greater impact as Curry, Durant, James, Harden, and other players that score efficiently, create for themselves, and drive the train. It’s hard to find strong consistent evidence of that unless you want to talk about Bill Russell. But he was a once in a lifetime player on defense that could dominate a game on that side so much, players were afraid to come into the paint to even try to score.

By: er

er — Sat, 10 Feb 2018 08:59:11 +0000

Jowles feeling froggy

By: hoolahoop

hoolahoop — Sat, 10 Feb 2018 06:42:05 +0000

Latke,

By: latke

latke — Sat, 10 Feb 2018 06:00:33 +0000

All I’m saying hoola is that the Knicks aren’t in a position to play it safe. If they try to coddle KP (assuming he is stupid enough to think that it’s in his or the team’s best interest to make win now moves, which is a ginormous assumption), then they put themselves in a position where the team will not achieve greatness and furthermore make it much more likely that in 2022 or whatever when KP’s extension or new contract runs out, that the Knicks are in a terrible position.

Like, look what happened to teams like Cleveland with Lebron and New Orleans with both Paul and soon Anthony Davis. The team got all hot and bothered when it drafted a burgeoning superstar, cluttered its cap with terrible contracts, burned picks so it couldn’t reverse course, and then the guy they went out of their way to coddle looked around at the shit situation and was like “fuck this. I’m out of here.” And those players are far better than KP. THey were far better than KP when they were his age.

Like imagine you want to be rich so you can marry this golddigger you’ve had a crush on forever. You can throw lots of parties when you’re middle class, putting yourself in debt just to get her to think you actually have money only for her to leave you a year or two later when your debt catches up to you or else you can live frugally and save until you actually are rich. You seem to be advocating the former strategy without recognizing that it will inevitably leave the this already talent-impoverished team even poorer down the line and cause KP to boogie on out here for sure once he realizes that you were so desperate to appear rich that you mortgaged your mom’s house to get those 35 wins and that all he can look forward to is several years of being weighed down by all the debt you’ve racked up.

By: Cock Jowles, Living through the Melo Era All Over Again

Cock Jowles, Living through the Melo Era All Over Again — Sat, 10 Feb 2018 05:24:53 +0000

all those who say with a straight face that Capela is anything less than an All-NBA player can suck my ass

By: kevin5318

kevin5318 — Sat, 10 Feb 2018 05:17:13 +0000

I don’t understand why people bring up Philly as a reason not to tank. Imagine if Fultz hadn’t fucked his shoulder up or go even further back and have them take Porzingis instead of Okafor.

By: Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada — Sat, 10 Feb 2018 05:13:05 +0000

The Philly model that has them in the playoff hunt with two future superstars despite whiffing on like every draft pick but two?

By: hoolahoop

hoolahoop — Sat, 10 Feb 2018 05:08:09 +0000

@ 195
Players should not dictate decisions. But you sure better cater to your most valuable players. Because if you don’t, someone else will. Every good owner knows how to keep his best players happy.

By: hoolahoop

hoolahoop — Sat, 10 Feb 2018 05:02:29 +0000

You’re missing the point.
The idea is not to tell KP, screw you, play somewhere else if that’s what you want.
KP is far and away the most valuable player on the team. That’s why the knicks will back up the truck for him. But it may take more than that to keep him.
The organizational disfunction must end. Otherwise, this is the way it’s always going to be. They’re won’t get anyone good to come play here unless they overpay. Forget about signing elite players. And they’ll struggle to retain their top draft picks.
It’s a horrible scenario for knicks fans.

So, if you want the knicks to follow the Philly model and tank tank tank . . . be careful for what you wish for.

By: latke

latke — Sat, 10 Feb 2018 04:57:59 +0000

Hoolahoop, you’re really just repeating things that every basketball player says when asked that question. It’s meaningless. Of course Porzingis would love for the team to be competing for titles ASAP. That is not an option for the Knicks. If you push to be better now, you will be worse when KP is actually a UFA and you’ll have screwed yourself twice over when he leaves then.

It’s hard enough to escape mediocrity without trying to cater to your star-esque player. Trying to do a Phil Jackson and stay competitive while adding less young talent than all the other teams with similar records are adding is a path to more mediocrity. The threat of KP leaving even if it was real is irrelevant because to cater to his supposed will puts the Knicks in a bad position even with KP.