Comments on: 2017-18 Game Thread: Knicks @ Bulls

By: latke

latke — Thu, 28 Dec 2017 07:09:20 +0000

When I hear “young”, I expect that to mean players with significant growth potential, and I expect the team not to have young players at the end of the bench but for them to be in the rotation.

The Knicks actual rotation of Hardaway, Porzingis, Kanter, O’Quinn, McDermott, Thomas, Jack, Ntilikina, Lee and Beasley has an average age of 26.8, and I imagine if you weighted by win shares, that number would go up some since Ntilikina has 0 win shares on the season.

So the actual team that’s doing the winning right now is very middle aged. Like, the Celtics’ top 10 in minutes played have an average age of 24.9. And they’re, you know, good.

So I don’t really see how you’re calling this a young, rebuilding team. It’s kinda reminiscent of like the Hornets from 4 or 5 years ago with a lot of decent mid-career vets lifting a couple of prospects up into the margins of the playoffs. In terms of players under 23 contributing, the 09/10 Knicks were much richer in that department than this team is even if KP is more promising than Gallinari was. That team had two sub 23 year old starters and several other young players in the rotation such as Jordan Hill, Toney Douglas and Bill Walker.

By: djphan

djphan — Thu, 28 Dec 2017 07:00:24 +0000

hopefully the next month can nudge us into becoming sellers…. i mean we absolutely should be trying to get something / anything for lee and koq…. if they’re still on the team by the deadline that might be a failure of the season on it’s own….

By: ess-dog

ess-dog — Thu, 28 Dec 2017 05:32:11 +0000

Yeah this is just who they are, especially on the road. They really need a pg/penetrator, though, because Frank is still a liability on offense.
I’m all for a trade if it nets younger parts. I think it’s good to gamble on point guards under 24 who another team has given up on… point guards often take longer to ripen. But who is selling that right now?

By: TheOakmanCometh

TheOakmanCometh — Thu, 28 Dec 2017 05:28:49 +0000

The next 5 games are going to be a real kick in the teeth. We’ll be lucky to go 1-4. That would put us at 18-21. Then the schedule gets lighter, with 8 winnable games — not easy, but winnable — in the next 12. That’s the turning point of the season. If we go 6-6 or better, management will have a good case for a late playoff push. I hope we go 3-9 and just tank this thing already.

By: TheOakmanCometh

TheOakmanCometh — Thu, 28 Dec 2017 05:20:28 +0000

I don’t see the front office being a buyer. Most likely they’ll just trudge through the season with the status quo, neither doing dumb win-now moves or trading away the vets. Then again, no one ever went broke betting on the stupidity of Knick management.

By: Grocer

Grocer — Thu, 28 Dec 2017 05:01:57 +0000

I expect us to waste all our assets this year on a misguided attempt to make the playoffs.

I guess that’s possible? But so far this year the FO is doing what it said it would. I don’t see any indications that would change. Just because you disagree with what they’re doing it doesn’t follow that they’ll make the dumbest possible moves.

By: JK47

JK47 — Thu, 28 Dec 2017 04:53:01 +0000

We had a chance to do a complete teardown and collect assets, and we didn’t do it, we did Phil Jackson’s Triangulation MMM/NTC Two-Tiered How’s-It-Goink Extravaganza instead. And now, completely predictably, we’re in no-man’s land, not good enough to win anything and not bad enough to acquire the franchise players who could possibly lead us out of no-man’s land. It’s too late to do the teardown now, unless the team wants to roll the dice on a Porzingis trade. You could probably get back a nice pile of assets for Pointzzingis but whatever. Maybe it’s better to hold onto him, I don’t really know and I’m starting to not really care. This isn’t really like a temporary situation here, we’ve been miles away from true contention for almost two full decades. It’s pretty hard to give a shit about this team very much right now.

By: Hubert

Hubert — Thu, 28 Dec 2017 04:52:41 +0000

I don’ t think Perry is gonna make any short sighted win now moves.

I meant we’d waste assets we could trade, like KOQ, Lee, even Beasley could possibly net something useful.

By: Hubert

Hubert — Thu, 28 Dec 2017 04:49:00 +0000

The Knicks aren’t hopeless. Being mediocre only sucks when you’re an old team.

I don’t see a young team on the court

By: kevin5318

kevin5318 — Thu, 28 Dec 2017 04:43:48 +0000

I don’ t think Perry is gonna make any short sighted win now moves.