2014-2015 Game Thread: Smiths v. Nets

Star center Jason Smith (3.9rbs/36min) looks to lead the Knicks to victory tonight in Brooklyn versus the Nets. The Knicks have dropped 2 in a row including a heart breaker to the Pistons in which the team came up just one ill-advised-step-back three pointer short of a victory. Speaking of which…

J.R. Smith (.440 TS%)–the second part of the dynamic Smith duo–is done serving his one game suspension. J.R. Smith sat a game after the NBA head offices decided his ball hawking wasn’t exactly directed where it should be.

Hopefully the Smiths will get help from supporting players Anthony, Stoudemire, and Shumpert. If so, the losing streak may end.

Smith! Smith!

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92 thoughts to “2014-2015 Game Thread: Smiths v. Nets”

  1. Fish is the most well dressed man in the organization. That man is sharp, in more ways than one.

  2. 3:29 till the half ends. The Knicks have 32 points. They need a point who knows how to run this damn triangle. Everyone looks lost. Maybe Shumpert kinda seems to get it, but have they been able to get one easy shot? I’m not sure they have.

  3. Knicks look bad but the refs are calling some straight up bullshit for brook Lopez… He doesn’t even make basketball moves.

  4. Other than a few minutes of decent defense on LBJ, Wear has been awful so far. He belongs in the d league or glued to the bench.

  5. The Nets strategy for the 2nd half should be pretty simple – give the ball to Lopez every time down the court, have him initiate contact and shoot 15-20 more FT’s.

  6. Three things remain the same.
    1 – NBA reffing is awful.
    2- Melo, still the chucker, takes the worst shots in the league.
    3 – the knicks suck!

  7. It’s like there is no hope from this team to come back from a deficit like this, because they can’t get a stop to save their lives.

  8. How long before we start hearing “Melo doesn’t like the triangle offense” stories? I’m calling it now.

  9. I have no idea if he’s injured or what, but Carmelo has legitimately been one of the worst players in the NBA thus far. It’s still game 6, I know, but man he is tough to watch right now

  10. Shump got straight token on those last two plays, but that’s more on DFish b/c you KNOW when a guy gets foul #4 in the 3rd Q, he’s gonna back off on D. Probably should’ve subbed him out.. and now DWill is getting hot.

  11. Man, you guys are a bummer. What did you expect? Everyone of us, well mostly anyway, knew we were a fringe playoff team at best, but more likely a lottery team. Just enjoy it either way and start drooling over potential lotto picks.

    Also, this ATL/CHA game is pretty good if you’d be more interested in watching two teams compete rather than just one.

  12. Who’s going to want out of NY first, Melo or PJ?
    Oh yeah, PJ is already home in California . . . cashing checks. Now that’s high IQ basketball.

  13. Also this is what happens with no Prig. Direct correlation, don’t try telling me otherwise.

  14. Was Melo recovering from getting popped in his eye or something as Anderson got that O-board, retreated out to the corner and then shot a wide-open 3?

  15. I hate to admit it, but this is even uglier than the Woodson’s knicks.

    The rose colored glasses come out early.

  16. Man, should we be calling Suicide Watch for some of you?

    I don’t think anyone is particularly surprised with the results, it’s the means to them that’s pissing people off. I’m okay with losing, but I’m not okay with Carmelo Anthony personally seeing to it that we have no shot. Having said that, I have to think we’ll look a lot better with Calderon and Prigs. Having said that, it wouldn’t surprise me if they lost every single game until those guys are back.

  17. Man, should we be calling Suicide Watch for some of you?

    If I lived through the Shandon Anderson Epoch and the Age Of Vaseline Eating, I think I can survive a season of this.

  18. With the knicks down by 29, I’d hate to see them narrow the gap to make it look like it was really a game.

  19. The team needs some talent infusion. I’d welcome a lottery pick if it comes to that.

  20. Starting to gain some hope that the Knicks have the potential to lose enough games to to get the kind of draft pick they need to have a chance of being relevant in the Anthony era.

  21. I don’t think anyone is particularly surprised with the results, it’s the means to them that’s pissing people off. I’m okay with losing, but I’m not okay with Carmelo Anthony personally seeing to it that we have no shot. Having said that, I have to think we’ll look a lot better with Calderon and Prigs. Having said that, it wouldn’t surprise me if they lost every single game until those guys are back.

    I’ve been reading 11 Rings lately, and Jackson talks about Kobe and MJ doing the same thing (mostly Kobe though) before buying in completely. In Kobe’s case it took a couple of seasons; not that we have that kind of time to waste, but a star score bucking at the Triangle when it’s not working is not exactly new.

    But I see your point, this is some uuuugggggglllllyyyyyy basketball. That’s why I switched to ATL/CHA. Good OT game going on there. Mike Budenholzer is a good coach, as one would expect working with Pop for as long as he did.

  22. The defense has been atrocious tonight. But, I’m actually quite pleased with the way Fish has been creatively subbing guys in and out It’s at a good pace, and these guys have _got_ to learn how to play _together_, in different combinations, guys stepping up at different times regardless of who starts. Son of Wood never did this. He used the same un-imaginative moves night after night. Fish is at least willing to move the fucking chess pieces around.

    I also liked Kurt Rambis’ comments at the half too. He has the temperament of PJax. They need time to gel. It’s gonna be a fascinating – and possibly painful – thing to watch this year.

    And triangle learning curve aside, they gotta step up the energy on defense. No excuses there. That’s just pure effort.

  23. Looking on the bright side, we’re not paying $10,000 for a couple of court side seats like Spike and Ben Stiller

  24. Also, I want Kyle Korver in orange and blue. Badly. And Anthony Davis. Boom, instant contender right there. Oh, and Marc Gasol. Gasol/Davis/Melo/Korver/Calderon is what I’ll dream of tonight.

    Note: this is a totally unrealistic pipe dream of mine and one I already know has 0% chance of happening, but with games like this I like to dream of happier things.

  25. Should we really praise Fish for his rotations? On one hand we do get more variety, on the other hand I don’t see how anyone can gel when they never play with the same lineup twice. If we weren’t so high on Fish right now I think we’d hate it.

  26. The dagger will be when the knicks walk off the court and Melo will be laughing and clowning around.

  27. Davis would average about 30 blocks with the swiss cheese on the perimeter there.

    When you’ve got Gasol and Davis in there, that would be just fine considering the ungodly shooting we’d have on the other end.

    On another note, ATL/CHA might be heading into double OT. Good game, I recommend watching it to get the bad taste of the Knicks out of your mouth.

  28. EB – I consider it “agile coaching”. In Silicon Valley these days they are preaching relentless innovation and experimentation and if something isn’t working you #FailFast and try another combination. Look at what Early started doing at the end there. He brought a whole new energy and groove. Plus, the whole personality of the Triangle is selfless, interchangeable parts. So keep ’em movin’ Fish. At the very least it’ll be more interesting to watch. Not as interesting as winning, I’ll admit. But better than watching the same boring combination lose night after night. Fire Woodson! Shump Shump!!

  29. San Antonio ran a what, 10/11 man rotation all last season? No player averaged over 30min a game, so I’m all in favor of moving the parts around if it’s clearly not working. How many games did we all collectively scream at Woodson last season for stubbornly sticking with what was clearing not working?

  30. What an ending in the Charlotte/Atlanta game! With two seconds left in double overtime, Kemba Walker blocks Jeff Teague’s attempt at a game winner and then Lance Stephenson hits a 33-foot three-pointer to win the game as time expires! Wow!

  31. My one issue with the triangle is that it keeps you from attacking obvious mismatches. When they got Amar’e in pnr situations with Lopez guarding him they got a couple of easy buckets- clear the side and run that until they show they can stop it. Instead they just futz around with the triangle until someone gets tired and jacks up a 15 footer. I know most of this is just growing pains but I think it’s okay to run non-triangle sets every once in awhile- God knows they abandon it enough as it is. It’d just be nice if they looked to dictate the action when they think there’s a mismatch. Kerr intimated that he’d mix the triangle with other sets on occasion back when it looked like he was going to take the job- it’d be nice if Fisher looked to do the same thing.

  32. And Wear to the D League please- there’s no way he should be ahead of Early on the depth chart.

  33. This team stinks anyhow. Might as well just struggle through the growing pains. Running an offense with no point guards is going to be kinda ugly even if you have good players. The Cavs have Lebron and Love and they managed 2 non-Lebron assists last game. Its gonna take some time.

  34. I completely missed the passive aggressive brilliance of Thomas B’s opening sentence. Well done. You need to write more Thomas. We’re all going to need some laughs this season

  35. Garbage time buckets don’t count.

    The do when they are 3’s and athletic jams in transition while being hammered by a 7 foot 270 pounder.

    That’s as opposed to a certain great white (talentless) hope.

    Early has a skill set that is compatible with NBA play. Cole doesn’t. He reminds me of an end stage emphysema patient who turns blue if he isn’t tethered within 8 feet of an oxygen generator. The only difference is Cole turns blue if he is forced to wander 8 feet from the basket.

  36. Speaking of double-OT games, Kings and Suns now into 2nd OT.
    Suns guards are really good but I feel they need a bit more structure in their offensive execution.
    Cousins is a str8 beast now. He fouled out on a touchy illegal screen set.
    Whatever you may think of Carmelo’s clutchness, Rudy Gay is no Carmelo Anthony.

  37. Cousins is a str8 beast now. He fouled out on a touchy illegal screen set.

    That was a crappy call. I really hope this new Cousins is for real, Sacto is my West team (having lived there during the Webber/Divac years, man what a fun team)

  38. Cole hasn’t played that well by his own standards this year, yet there he is, with a .098 WS48 and 13.3 PER, averaging a tidy 14.1 rebounds per 36 minutes, and that is with the Knicks playing the slowest pace in the NBA. The guy has a freakin’ 23.0 TRB%– he’s third on the team in rebounds despite averaging 12.8 minutes per game!

    Rebounds are stupid though, or something, and being able to corral them at an absurdly high rate has no value whatsoever. I’m gonna go sit in the corner and drink some paint now.

  39. And as I say that, Gay backs down the other Morris bro and hits a turnaround J in the paint…

  40. I really hope this new Cousins is for real

    He was just as manly, if not moreso, against the Clippers last week in LA and they won.

  41. JK, your dum. Cole looks white and awkward, so those rebounds don’t count because garbage time. Do u watch the gamez? He is missing a tooth!

  42. He was just as manly, if not moreso, against the Clippers last week in LA and they won.

    Oh, I know. I watched that game and he was just unstoppable. The thing with him is that he’s capable of being that kind of player, he just prescribes to the Josh Smith school of thought of doing everything except the things he’s really good at, which is scoring at incredibly efficient rates in the post and gobbling up more rebounds than the entire entire starting front line of the opposing team.

  43. Kings pull it out on the road. Color me impressed: every time the Suns went up 5, 6, 7, 11, the Kings would come back. This win, and their win last week @Clips makes me think maaaaybe Sacto is turning the corner. McLemore, who the Suns color man kept saying has been struggling with his J, cans a clutch 3.
    Good for them. Seriously.

  44. Boog actually had a shitty shooting night, which is even more impressive. Just keep beasting down low and you’ll get fouls. Almost Hardenesque performance.

  45. The thing with him is that he’s capable of being that kind of player, he just prescribes to the Josh Smith school of thought of doing everything except the things he’s really good at…

    I think Cousins has a chance to change that too. Sounds like they’ve got a good coaching system there now.
    And speaking of that Josh Smith thing: I never understood it. OK, he starts his career at the 3, but then by what, year 4 or something, they put him at the 4 and near the basket and he’s a 3rd-tier All-Star. Bill Simmons wrote about this extensively… you’d think by now he should’ve realized he’s a better baller as a 4. He’s had proof.
    That said, Detroit should have NEVER signed him to be their 3. They absolutely should’ve known better.

  46. Boog actually had a shitty shooting night, which is even more impressive. Just keep beasting down low and you’ll get fouls. Almost Hardenesque performance.

    Lemme tell you what was Hardenesque (that should be a new word, btw): Brook Lopez basically delivering roundhouse elbows to dudes’ midsections all night and getting calls. He did everything but drop The People’s Elbow on poor Smith the Taller, and he probably would’ve still gone to the line had he done that.

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