2014-15 Game Thread: Knicks @ Hawks

We join the game with the Knicks leading by seven with five minutes left in the first half. Don’t blame me if this thread jinxes them!

Let’s go Knicks!

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49 thoughts to “2014-15 Game Thread: Knicks @ Hawks”

  1. Sorry for no game thread, folks! I just got back from seeing the latest revival of Tom Stoppard’s The Real Thing and there was a cool discussion afterwards with the stars of the play (Maggie Gyllenhaal, Ewan McGregor and Cynthia Nixon) and my wife and I were stuck on the subway coming home for, no joke, over an hour (just sitting at 49th street for forty minutes), so I missed the first quarter and a half. Glad to see the team playing well!

    The Real Thing is real good, by the way. Be sure to see it if you get the chance!

  2. Sorry for no game thread, folks! I just got back from seeing the latest revival of Tom Stoppard’s The Real Thing and there was a cool discussion afterwards with the stars of the play (Maggie Gyllenhaal, Ewan McGregor and Cynthia Nixon) and my wife and I were stuck on the subway coming home for, no joke, over an hour

    Well, after the past few games, I guess you can be forgiven for not pushing people over while yelling “Out of the way, I’ve got a game thread to start!”

  3. Knicks on the verge of blowing this game because TH2 picked up his 4th foul 2 mins into the half which for some reason led to Fisher going away from Melo at the 4.

  4. OK the whole Jason Smith blind pass thing is not working.

    In fact, I don’t think this is his night at all…

  5. Knicks lose this game, 1000% on Fisher’s stupid lineups in the 2nd half doing the complete opposite of what worked in the 1st half.

  6. Knicks lose this game, 1000% on Fisher’s stupid lineups in the 2nd half doing the complete opposite of what worked in the 1st half.

    To be fair, Knicks frequent fouling has something to do with that, and why they were in the penalty with a tick over 7 minutes left in the quarter. But he did leave Jason in a tick too long – maybe not Woodson-level long but yanno.
    Knicks need a 4 that will contest and gobble boards. Too many 2nd chances for the Hawks that quarter.
    That said: I think if the Knicks get their act together this quarter: contest the perimeter, gobble the D-boards, get back to the passing acumen of the first half…

  7. Gotta keep the offense fluid. Melo is better when things are in rhythm. Which they’re about to fall out again.
    Timmy’s 3’s tho…

  8. Its a fucking miracle the Knicks have 2 wins because they are awful.

    Yeah. Not having your 1st & 2nd PG will defunct a lot of teams.. esp when the opponents D tightens up.

  9. Sorry, stupid question, of course we all say no. Just can’t believe Antic has that kind of number with those kind of numbers…

  10. I came into this season not caring if the Knicks won or lost because they do have their 1st rd pick. But tonight is the first game this season where Im frustrated as hell and pissed at that beyond pathetic performance in the 2nd half from both the players and Fisher. Oh well, at least I will get over this loss real quick lol. Everyone enjoy the rest of your weekend.

  11. And Bargnani is due to return soon….

    The worst part about that is having to listen to/read about how that’s supposed to be a good thing.

  12. That was some BAD basketball by the Knicks. This is starting to look like it will be a very long and hard to endure season. But as everyone keeps reminding me, at least they have their first round pick……for now any way

  13. As it turns out, the Knicksiest move of all may have been the Knicks not wanting to out-Knicks themselves last winter– is there anybody out there that wouldn’t trade Hardaway and the 2018 pick for Kyle Lowery right now?

  14. is there anybody out there that wouldn’t trade Hardaway and the 2018 pick for Kyle Lowery right now?

    Besides the Raptors?

  15. Just for perspective, I had the Knicks 1-5 at this point and still winning 40 games. I’ll repeat until I’m blue and orange in the face, it’ll take until at least January for the team to figure things out. This was a very rough stretch – too many games, too few practices.

  16. I wouldn’t. I’m tired of not having #1 picks. Lowry and his salary doesn’t make us a contender. What ever happened to “patience” this year?

  17. Yeah, I still wouldn’t do that deal either. It was a fair price for a team to pay for Lowry. Just not this team, with their lack of draft picks and unsteady future. They were (and are) just not in the position to be mortgaging the future for a guy who wouldn’t have made them a contender last season.

  18. I know you’re fed up Knicks fans, but you got to keep your head up

    We will probably get better as the season goes along, and hey, if not we’ve actually got a 1st round pick. The only way we can lose this year is by making some dumbass panic trade in an effort to compete this season.

  19. Lowry, since December of last year (when the trade was agreed to, the quashed by Dolan), has a TS% close to .600, and has a WS48 over .200. Statistically, he’s been the 3rd best PG in the league (behind only Curry and Paul). And has picked up where he left off so far with a .602 TS%, and a .281 WS48 (and a 6% to%!).

    The Raptors are 46-22 since that trade was rescinded (.675%).

    They signed Lowry is to $12 mil a year for the next 4 years.

    The Knicks had an opportunity to have a top 3 PG playing in his prime for the next 4 years at Jrue Holiday rates. But instead they were “patient”. For what? The prospects of paying Rajon Rondo in two years?

    Dolan actually stepped in and said “no more dealing future firsts”, and in a show of fitting karma, got screwed for it.

    http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/dolan-blocks-knicks-deal-raptors-lowry-article-1.1546553

  20. Anyone know where you can find shotcharts for individual players for this season? I’d like to have a laugh at Dalembert’s.

  21. @Z-man and Brian Are you saying knowing what you know now you still wouldn’t have made that trade? I would have been ecstatic to field this season a starting lineup of: Lowry/Shump/JR/Melo/Tyson and bench of Amare/Cole/Felton/Prigs. Potential to be Top 10 offense and significantly improved defense under new regime. When Tyson’s contract expires, odds are high we would then be able to plug in one of Gasol/Jefferson/Hibbert/R Lopez.

  22. Knowing that Lowry would have made the leap he did, yes, I would have done the deal. But I don’t regret not doing the deal, because at the time it was a fair price for a contending team to make, but not this one. Lowry has since played a heck of a lot better since then and now that deal would be a steal, as you could easily get a first rounder for Lowry if you felt like it. Hell, if they had acquired Lowry I’d probably suggest keeping him, dumping Melo and rebuilding the team around Lowry.

  23. Hey, at least we didn’t trade Shumpert for Jeff Teague.

    Hey, at least we didn’t trade Shumpert for Jeff Teague Nash. I confess I favored the Nash deal at the time. Reuniting Amare and Nash appeared to be a no-brainer. I figured Nash, being fastidious about his health, would have held up like Stockton. I’ve learned and play the odds now: never ever sign any player over 35 for more than the vet’s min.

  24. Well, unlike the other deals, the Knicks were turned down on the Nash deal. They would have given up Shump, the Suns just wanted the Laker offer better, because it included forthcoming draft picks that the Knicks couldn’t trade (because they had traded them already).

  25. I don’t think Lowry is a top 3 PG (I would take Curry, Westbrook, Parker, Rose and Lillard over him to start, and maybe Rondo and Wall, but that’s just me. No question that Lowry has played great.) I just agree with Brian that he’s not the right deal for us right now. THs is a potentially very good young player (I’m not jumping ship on him and his poor D just yet) and we need to have draft picks if we are going to tie up our cap in 2-3 players. I think the lineup proposed above is at best a 2nd round exit, and then we have no room for a max UFA at the end of this season.

    There should be some good PGs available in the draft this year at #12-18. I’d like to draft the best PG available, and use our FA money for some other position.

  26. Parker and Rondo make even less sense for the Knicks, even if either if them could have been had (they couldn’t). Both are on the decline. And you’d rather take a risk on Rose and his salary than Lowry at $12 mil? And, sure, Curry et al you take over Lowry, but the Knicks actually had an agreement for Lowry that would only cost them Hardaway and/or a 2018 pick.

    Even if NY drafts a top 5 PG prospect in 2015, they won’t see returns until 2017 or likely later. You think the Knicks stand to make it past the 2nd round of the playoffs before that? If not, then it seems silly to not trade for Lowry in 2013 so that the team can meddle in even worse mediocrity during his would-have-been tenure.

  27. Nobody knows what the proposed deal actually was. But if it was TH2 and a future #1, I still think saying no was the right thing to do.

  28. I think turning it down was the right thing to do at the time. In retrospect (and do note that I doubt Lowry takes $12 million from the Knicks – people don’t take less to re-sign here), it probably would have been a fair deal, as Lowry could certainly net the Raptors more than just a first rounder and THJ now.

  29. nobody knows what the proposed deal was

    It wasn’t just a proposed deal. It was an agreed upon deal.

    Per the linked article from above:

    “According to several reports, the Knicks were prepared to trade Raymond Felton and Metta World Peace plus Iman Shumpert or Tim Hardaway Jr. or a 2018 first-round pick. The Raptors preferred the first-round pick, but Dolan — who negotiated the Carmelo Anthony trade with Raptors GM Masai Ujiri when Ujiri was with the Denver Nuggets — got cold feet about trading a future asset. ‘Dolan didn’t want to get fleeced again by Masai,’ was how one Knicks source put it. ‘They had a deal ready.’

    (I vaguely remember other reports at the time that it was Shump or Hardaway PLUS the 2018 pick, which still is a no-brainer I think, knowing what we know now).

    At the time, most Knickerbloggers praised Dolan for finally meddling in the right way. I think we all should have known that if Dolan is doing something right, it’s still gonna turn out wrong! (Get it done, Steve Mills!)

  30. I still don’t see the “agreed upon” deal. But you believe what you want to believe. Bottom line: it didn’t happen and never will happen. I’m OK with it, you’re not.

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