2014-15 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Hawks

This is a bit of a peculiar home and home, isn’t it? They rarely give teams a day off between them. I’ll definitely take it for the Knicks, as Prigs is back tonight and who knows if he would have been able to play if they played yesterday.

I just bought tickets to the game (playing the ol’ StubHub game today – I sold an extra ticket I had to a concert this weekend and made enough on the sale that I figured I’d splurge on some cheap Knicks tickets – I ended up with some nice seats for half-face) so hopefully they play well!

Let’s go Knicks!

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85 thoughts to “2014-15 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Hawks”

  1. I say we pack it in on defense and dare them to beat us from the 3 point line

    Please tell me that was sarcasm. Korver is the absolute #1 “OH MY GOD WHY DID YOU LEAVE HIM OPEN! NEVER LEAVE HIM OPEN!” guy in the league.

  2. Why can’t shump play like this after we’ve already signed him! He is going to cost us a lot of money if he continues like this. He’s been our best player so far.

  3. Why can’t shump play like this after we’ve already signed him! He is going to cost us a lot of money if he continues like this. He’s been our best player so far.

    Contract years do that to players.

  4. Contract years do that to players.

    You really think that Shumpert struggled last year because he wasn’t trying as hard? I just think his confidence fluctuates greatly.

  5. @11 lies – you would have gone blind long ago.

    Who kidnapped Korver and replaced him with Josh Smith?

  6. Early very defensively active tonight (although helping off Korver for no reason was dumb but he recovered pretty quickly).

  7. I fear much of this lead is based on korver missing six threes in a row. That is unlikely to continue

  8. There is no good reason they shouldn’t have Prigs and Andre Miller playing chess at center court throughout the entire All Star game.

  9. You really think that Shumpert struggled last year because he wasn’t trying as hard? I just think his confidence fluctuates greatly.

    No, I don’t. I agree with you that he’s an emotionally fragile player and that has an impact, but you’re kidding yourself if you think not getting an extension and now having to play for his next (hopefully big in his view) contract also doesn’t have an impact.

  10. playing well for your whole career would make you even more money, but a contract year is a contract year, and people have short memories. And by playing well, of course we mean PPG, CUZ DATS DA POINTZ.

  11. Wouldn’t playing well for consecutive years earn you more money than playing well for only one?

    In a league where Josh Smith gets a 54m/4year contract, and Andrea Bargnani not only gets a 5 year/50m contract but also costs an arm and a leg to trade for, no. No it doesn’t.

    It should, sure. But you’re a Knick fan, overpaying based in small sample sizes is what we do here in the Association.

  12. Is this bad offense or good defense?
    Jason Smith and Timmy Hardaway are playing so it can’t be good defense.

  13. I swear to Krom, Thomas B., Timmy played legit good defense on one possession. I saw it with my eyes.

  14. Biggest problem I saw on offense in the first half is going too deep into the 24-second clock. The Knicks seem to want to use every second available to them – a far cry from the D’Antoni days. What I loved was the defense. Yeah, Timmy was on Korver on that play. I also saw a great dish by Jason Smith to Hardaway for a big 3.

  15. Brian’s tickets were half what was expected and the scoring is half what was expected. Coincidence? Read the book.

  16. Amar’e is the only pick and roll defender in NBA history who has never violated the rules of hopscotch.

  17. Melo could get his arm literally pulled off his body on a shot attempt and still not get FT’s.

  18. Melo could get his arm literally pulled off his body on a shot attempt and still not get FT’s.

    Didn’t that happen once?

  19. Reading the box score, I can’t tell which J Smith is which. …Luckily it doesn’t matter, though, because save for 1 rebound, they have the exact same lines.

  20. Reading the box score, I can’t tell which J Smith is which. …Luckily it doesn’t matter, though, because save for 1 rebound, they have the exact same lines.

    Whichever has the rebound is not our center.

  21. Why the fuck do I watch these games?? I must be a freaking masochist or I just hate myself lol.

  22. Has there ever been a crunch time defensive specialist sub who is a worse defender than Jason Smith?

  23. Well at least this season its gonna be worth watching college basketball to see who the top prospects are considering the Knicks should have a great chance at landing one of them.

  24. Excellent ending. Stoudemire unpredictably blows the pick and roll, but just as planned the Knicks have JR Smith to protect the paint long enough for Amar’e recover, commit the most blatant foul you’ll see this week, yet complain like someone decanted his bath.

  25. Its hard to believe this team is going to somehow click and be competitive in a month or so. (Whichis apparently what PJ said)

  26. 3rd quarter of doom, Melo cold, beaten on the boards, beaten at the line, unable to defend PnR, Korver wide open. Hawks home and home. It’s like déjà vu all over again. Groundhog Day.

  27. Why the fuck do I watch these games?? I must be a freaking masochist or I just hate myself lol.

    I’m convinced I hate myself. But the things that are beating the knicks are so simple. Pnr defense, 3pt defense, and the Atrocity that is our opposing free throw rate smh

  28. And this our team without Bargnani

    I actually can’t wait to see Bargs and J(not R) Smith on the court together

  29. If I’ve stuck with this team for the past 13 years I can handle anything they throw at me in the future. Rough time for NYC sports though. The football teams are absolute garbage, the Knicks are the Knicks and the baseball teams arent exactly in their glory days (although at least they arent that embarrassing to watch). I dont count the hockey teams or the Nets lol.

  30. The only two pros from the game wwere that Fisher stuck with Melo at the four and it really did work out and Shump played well before picking up that fourth foul (Fisher kept him out way too long).

    But yeah, everything else was awful. I really don’t get why Fisher stuck with JR late over THJ. They’re pretty interchangeable, so why not go with the hotter hand?

  31. I don’t think he stuck with going small enough Brian. I saw a lot of Amar’e and Smith in the second half. That is a terrible combination then you have Jason guarding Scott on defense. It’s not like Smith can attack Scott in the post so why not continue playing small by bringing in Early?

    Every game is a learning experience.

  32. #FreeCole is still a movement, but I think it’s time to start up the #PayDaShump bandwagon. If he keeps this level of play up, he’ll be hitting free agency as a legitimate standout player on both ends of the floor who hasn’t entered his prime yet. I’d very quickly dump JR and maybe even Calderon on some team if it meant we get to clear up space to re-sign him and also get Marc Gasol.

  33. Oh, and if the Knicks are, say, a sub 30 win team this year, there is actually a phenomenal prospect available in this year’s draft class. Duke’s Jahlil Okafor is the best prospect to come out since Anthony Davis, and might be the most polished offensive weapon anyone has ever seen at 18 years old. He’s like a clone of Shaq, honestly. Maybe the basketball gods shine on us since it will be the 30th anniversary since we drafted Patrick Ewing.

  34. If you want to talk about how rebounding affects a game, here is a rebound basically clinching the game for the Hawks.

    4Q
    Millsap Rebound (Off:1 Def:3) 01:19

    That was it. Knicks were down 5 and needed a stop. They had it, but somehow with Jason Smith at center, New York couldn’t get a simple defensive rebound.

    But he “spreads the floor”.

  35. Yeah, another thing I really came away from the game thinking is, “Seriously, how dumb do they have to be to not play Cole?”

    It’s really kind of maddening that Jason Smith gets to play 20 shitty minutes and Cole gets a DNP-CD.

  36. It’s really extremely simple. Melo plays the four. Dalembart/Cole play center. STAT plays back-up 4.

    Done. They’ll still struggle but they’ll struggle less.

  37. Okafor is a nice player but I don’t see the Shaq comparison at all. Shaq was an unbelievable athlete for his size and was incredibly explosive. Okafor is limber and fluid but does not have Shaq’s immense strength and explosive leaping ability. He’s not a great rim protector and has not been an impact player on defense up until this point in his young career. He has a high floor but his ceiling is not in the Shaq/Anthony Davis stratosphere in my opinion. Okafor seems to be a similar player to another center in this year’s freshman class, Karl Towns. Okafor is more of a classic post-up player while Towns is more of a pick-and-roll type guy, but they both have a similar physical profile: true NBA center length, very good but not elite athleticism, overall lack of explosiveness, questionable defensive awareness.

    One guy I have my eye on is Cliff Alexander of Kansas. Alexander is a 6’8″ PF with a 7’3″ wingspan who plays with a high motor and a bulldog mentality. Built like a brick shithouse, but runs the floor extremely well, rebounds like a fiend and is a shot blocker. Could be a real impact defensive player in the NBA but he will need to develop his offensive game.

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