2014-15 Game Thread: Knicks @ Bucks

Now we get to see the Knicks lose on a whole other continent!

It’s nice of the Knicks to get their losing done before dinner time here.

Melo and STAT are back to play today, so hopefully the Knicks don’t accidentally win this one.

Let’s go! Knicks!

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110 thoughts to “2014-15 Game Thread: Knicks @ Bucks”

  1. Guys, I can’t wait to see the Bucks start 14-4 on our asses.

    You may get your wish! And more!

  2. During the All-Star game the MSG crowd should be chanting: “SUR-GER-Y, SUR-GER-Y”

  3. I’m sure Melo will be the first guy to get knee surgery when he’s 30 without it affecting his game at all.

  4. Better start buying those lottery tickets! 14-4 exactly!

    A certain guy, I think his name is Jules… or it is Jowd?…, would start naming himself “Prescient” after that.

  5. It’s seriously so freaking dumb having Melo play in this game. I mean 99% chance nothing happens, but I think the expression “Nothing to gain, everything to lose” would apply here. But I’m sure a gimpy Melo hobbling around on an embarrassing Knicks team will sell the Brits a lot of t-shirts or something, so I guess it’s worth it.

  6. Are the all-offense lineups still attractive to people on here?

    The problem is if you play an all offense lineup you actually need to be good on offense, but we’re playing the triangle so…

  7. I feel bad for those fans who bought a ticket months ago thinking they would go to a real game. May as well have bought Globetrotters tickets.

  8. Fisher just eviscerated Kidd’s Travis Wear prepping with the Amundson/Thomas sub. We are toying with them.

  9. I’m completely dumbfounded. I hope we lose by 50 just to underscore the ridiculousness of Melo and Amar’e playing.

  10. Why on earth is Lance Thomas active rather than Early?

    Seasoned vet. We need those W’s!

  11. They’re worse than we can imagine… worse than we could ever dream…

    Waive anyone making over $1M… Buy ’em out, its not my $… phuck this shit… the organization deserves nothing but to fold completely… i hate this shit

  12. Adam Silver has to realize how sad of a joke this is, and how much it could be hurting the NBA

  13. Are we really running the triangle offense? I don’t see any strategy behind our offense. It just looks like they are running it down and winging it. I guess I do notice the bigs coming up to get the ball at the high post but that just wastes time in the shot clock.

  14. Why did MSG release MSG Go? Now I can’t resist watching this crappy team on my phone at work – and work is more fun!

  15. The weird thing is that these were both bad teams last year when this game was scheduled. Who thought that this would be a good game to send overseas?

  16. the starting line up so far is 1-11 for 4pts. lol

    Who made the one though? Huuuuuh?

  17. Just checked score online and LOLed….we’re a committed tanking team. It’s the only thing we’ve done right this season

  18. We are “supposed” to be playing the triangle, yet our superstar main injured cog still calls for the ball and goes iso-hero ball every time. What a fail.

  19. This box score looks like a preseason box score, except Carmelo Anthony is gonna play 40 minutes. He should probably just get his surgery and start rehabbing the ol’ gimpy knee, but he does need to build his brand in England. Makes sense.

  20. I could get used to this 3 PM game time. Like going to the gym, or doing stupid errands, you get the misery and frustration over with early on, and you’re free to enjoy the rest of the day.

  21. Lance Thomas has probably been the second-best Knick tonight.

    By the way, what do you call it when they’re playing in nighttime but it is daytime here? Is it still “tonight”?

  22. @47..you still feel misery and frustration? This team has now made me immune which is saying something….I just pull up the score and if they’re down by double digits (irrespective of what quarter) don’t watch..

  23. This is the worst Knicks team I’ve ever seen. I had to stop watching. Good that Melo is getting his, though.

  24. I am bitter that these guys have taken one of my favorite activities (watching Knicks games) and shitted all over it…so there’s that

  25. This team has a chance to became the worst in league history… 5-77?
    If we don’t get to 10 wins I think Phil & Fish deserve to be fired (and f*** tanking, we’re the clown of the league, what decent free agent with an ounce of self esteem will play for us?)

    Man, I love this franchise so much and I hate this pitiful bunch of wankers…

  26. LOL- what a bitter board

    Not sure what anyone was expecting. Its also funny people complain about Melo “getting his” but a few days ago he was in decline. OK.

  27. I kind of like Lance Thomas a little bit as an energy guy (similar to Acy actually) but yeah playing him over Early is so dumb.

  28. What “brand-building” can Melo accomplish during this game/trip? His brand isn’t even big here in the US! All this game is showing is how much of a joke we are. When those people think of the Knicks, what will come to their mind? Nothing positive, and they probably wouldn’t give two fucks about Melo’s “brand”. It’s just not worth it.

  29. Led by a tremendous effort from their wounded superstar, the Knicks have clawed to within only losing by four more than they were losing at half time.

  30. I was okay with tanking, but this is really, truly, historically bad management.

    1) Tanking makes sense, maybe, but accidental tanking is sad. That’s what happened to us. There is no genius behind Phil’s actions. I’m starting to realize he is just an okay GM (too early to tell), who was a master psychological motivator (largely irrelevant as a GM) and a guy who relied on a rigid offensive system to win, which happens to not work that well with our personnel, and he is completely inflexible to change it.
    2) A lot of our moves were made to save money rather than get better and younger. I guess Dolan needs to save money after shelling out 5/25 for Fisher.
    3) Who happens to not know how to coach defense…or offense.
    4) Why are we playing 10-day contract guys instead of the youth? What is the point? Are you trying to catch up to Philly?
    5) Why are Melo and Amare playing if still not 100%? Where the hell are this team’s priorities? The funny thing is they make no sense – they are literally absurd. Because it’s not like the team has priorities I disagree with (“win now”), but rather, they have priorities that are completely contradictory and non-sensical on any level.

    I am actually surprised I am in this much of a huff about the Knicks, because I felt at peace with tanking, but if you’re going to tank at least try not to sabotage the future in the meantime.

  31. A lot of our moves were made to save money

    I think this is an under reported part of the story. It’s easy for us to say who gives a shit about Jimmy’s money, but I think we’ve saved him about 20 million by dumping contracts.

  32. They had one against us on opening night. We led by 25 and they came back to take the lead but then lost.

  33. ah.

    I’m totally fine with watching young scrubs play, but come on-no more shit like Amundson. And for the love of Clyde, cut fucking Jah already.

  34. Now that we’re an international embarrassment, why hasn’t Obama addressed the crisis at MSG yet?

  35. Today would be as good a time as any to thank the 13 teams who voted against flattening the lottery odds this year. We were not one of them.

  36. Well, yes, they’re an embarrassing mess of a team with no hope of a turnaround in the near future but…damn, I thought I had something.

  37. Well, yes, they’re an embarrassing mess of a team with no hope of a turnaround in the near future but…damn, I thought I had something.

    BUT CAP SPACE DOE

  38. Look, Knicks! Look at what you’ve done! Even Cronin can’t be a tiny bit optimistic anymore!

  39. I am so glad that the Knicks are now known “internationally” for what we know them to be.

    And to Melo: kudos for enhancing YOUR “brand”. I think that we, Knicks fans, need a brand-aide.

    Melo: I just can’t wait to see you at the all-star game. Then sit out the rest of the season and annul your no-trade clause.

  40. U know what? I think Phil may have missed some recent opportunities to grab and evaluate young talent for cheap. First let me say that I am not on board with trading Calderon, unless it seriously helps the team goin forward. He’s having a rough season to say the least, but he’s an excellent fit- especially when u consider the moves I think Phil could have made.
    1. Clips just dumped Bullock for WHAT??? Everybody knew they were looking for another backup pg. U can’t convince me that they wouldn’t have taken Larkin for Bullock had Phil approached them before Ainge. We need another sg right? And with Galloway up and playing fairly decent- for cheap- Larkin was more than expendable.
    2. I think Phil should have looked to move Prigs to a playoff team lookin 4 a backup floor general. Houston. Charlotte. Atlanta. Cleveland. All could use a veteran backup at the 1. Prigs comes cheap enough that Phil wouldn’t hafta take salary back, or better yet- he could’ve gotten another 2nd rounder from anybody. IT’S A FIRE SALE AT THIS POINT! 2nd part to this idea..
    3. Grabbed Nate Wolters. He and Galloway would’ve been young talent to evaluate for fit at the pg spot, and Bullock and TH2 would have been the same at sg.

    It would’ve been harder to address the frontcourt for the rest of the season, but at least we would have options that make a little more sense in the backcourt. Especially since TH2 is getting heavy minutes as the only true SG.

  41. Clips just dumped Bullock for WHAT??? Everybody knew they were looking for another backup pg. U can’t convince me that they wouldn’t have taken Larkin for Bullock had Phil approached them before Ainge. We need another sg right? And with Galloway up and playing fairly decent- for cheap- Larkin was more than expendable.

    They weren’t looking for “a backup pg,” they were looking for specifically Austin Rivers, Doc’s son. The only way that the Knicks could have gotten involved in the deal over Phoenix is if they had a second round pick to sweeten the pot – they don’t. It does suck that Phoenix got Bullock just for playing facilitator, though. Those are definitely the kinds of trades the Knicks should be looking for.

  42. OK. Still though, didn’t they want to replace Farmar? I’d probably take Larkin over Farmar..as a backup to CP3.

  43. They weren’t looking for “a backup pg,” they were looking for specifically Austin Rivers, Doc’s son.

    Well, then maybe Phil should call the manager of the Brazilian national baseball team and see if he wants to trade for Shane Larkin.

  44. Tim Hardaway Sr. is an assistant coach in Detroit. Come on, SVG, you can always need more outside shooting!

  45. Tim Hardaway Sr. is an assistant coach in Detroit. Come on, SVG, you can always need more outside shooting!

    Now that’s good thinking. And who better to teach him defense than SVG?

  46. You look at all the good teams around the league, and you notice that nobody is doing the “two or three max contract guys and dreck” model. The good teams are all balanced and are mostly comprised of solid players acquired through the draft and a couple of other key pieces acquired as trades or free agent signings. The way the Knicks are going about doing things– you just can’t win that way.

    The teams with remnants of the “stars + dreck” model are Miami, the Knicks and the Nets, all teams that are headed nowhere. If Phil Jackson doubles down on this strategy and just brings in Greg Monroe and other overrated “good for the triangle” kind of players, it’s going to be a long, dark winter. Really, he needs to go to Melo and say “Sorry this didn’t work out, and we’ll try to trade you to a contender, thanks for the memories” and do anything he can to get into the 2016 draft.

    He may not be able to win right away, but if Jackson puts the Knicks at least on the path to respectability he’ll be able to finish out his contract without completely trashing his reputation. If he goes full rebuild now, and does it smartly, the Knicks could be in a pretty good position by the time Phil’s contract runs out in 2019. If he keeps doing the same stupid shit this franchise has done for a decade and a half now, the Knicks will be Phil’s Waterloo.

  47. I get the feeling Phil doesn’t know what the fuck he’s doing. He doesn’t seem to have a coherent strategy that he has the ability to execute. The Melo contract was an instant disaster. The Tyson trade was terrible. They’re playing the wrong guys. Melo is calling the shots on his when he feels like playing or not, based on his brand. The triangle is a wreck, and probably inappropriate to implement. etc. etc. etc.

  48. The Tyson trade wasn’t that horrible, but wasn’t a home run either. The Outlaw trade was horrible. The 10-day contracts to Amundson and Thomas are horrible. The Jah signing was horrible. The Jah playing is still horrible.

    That said, I have the same feeling. Look, I guess it’s normal that a new boss requires some time to understand how to run business, but Phil is looking less and less coherent about his vision (example: why sign Galloway to a 10-day contract – apparenly giving way to a young talent audition phase – and then sign Amundson and Thomas to 10-day contracts?). I’m starting to get worried. Fisher is useless right now. This year is a giant waste of time, we could have tanked while developing something.

  49. How Jackson uses these trade exceptions will say a lot about him. On the bright side, people have looked at them and have said, “Jackson will be involved in facilitating deals to net picks using his exceptions.” On the less bright side, people have looked at them and have said, “Jackson will use them to fill out his roster next season after free agency ends.”

    The former is smart – the latter? Not so much.

  50. the latter is impossible, somebody in the knicks organisation will have told jackson that

    Thanks, you’re absolutely right – I forgot about the cap issues of trade exceptions. That’s great news (although it also seems likely that they’ll just go unused now).

  51. Can someone explain trade exemptions please? Do we only have a year to sign players?

    You have a year with the exception, but AbujaFar is absolutely correct that you only get to keep them if you are already over the cap and stay that way until the next year. For the Knicks, since they’re going to dip way under the cap and then use it all, they’d have to renounce their trade exceptions before then. So if they want to use them, they have to use them before the season ends.

  52. So if they want to use them, they have to use them before the season ends.

    I think trade exceptions expire after 365 days.

  53. A trade exception is what happens in a trade when one team moves more salary than it gets in return. The team that sent away all that salary receives a trade exception, which can be used over the next year to acquire a player earning up to the amount of the trade exception without having to send back salary in return.

  54. I think trade exceptions expire after 365 days.

    They do, except when you’re under the cap. Then you have to renounce them if you want the corresponding cap space. So obviously the Knicks will be renouncing all of their exceptions to use all of their cap space. That’s what I forgot but AbujaFar correctly reminded me about. So the Knicks only have the trade exceptions until the end of this season, so Jackson better use them!

  55. So the Knicks only have the trade exceptions until the end of this season, so Jackson better use them!

    So they would come in hand for a Perkins for Calderon straight up move. Because i think Perk makes like 10 million.

  56. No, actually. I initially thought yes, but apparently you can’t combine a trade exception with a player to up the player’s salary to match salaries.

  57. How much are the trade exceptions? . . . about 6mil and 1 mil. That should be a good player.

  58. I think they got roughly $6 million for JR and $2.5 million for Shump. They can’t be combined with each other, though.

  59. I remember reading that you’re allowed to combine trade exceptions.

    Not into one big trade exception, no. Here’s Coon on it:

    If a team has two trade exceptions from previous non-simultaneous trades, they can’t combine them into one larger trade exception.

  60. “If a team has two trade exceptions from previous non-simultaneous trades, they can’t combine them into one larger trade exception.”
    But can they combine two trade exceptions that were acquired in the same trade? Coon’s answer says that you can’t combine two trade exceptions from from “non-simultaneous” trades. Since he seems to be making a distinction for non-simultaneous trades, is it correct to infer that, if the two exceptions were created simultaneously, they can be combined?

  61. But can they combine two trade exceptions that were acquired in the same trade? Coon’s answer says that you can’t combine two trade exceptions from from “non-simultaneous” trades. Since he seems to be making a distinction for non-simultaneous trades, is it correct to infer that, if the two exceptions were created simultaneously, they can be combined?

    Non-simultaneous trades are just a term of art for deals involving trade exceptions. Shump and JR, for instance, were both “non-simultaneous” trades.

  62. “Non-simultaneous trades are just a term of art for deals involving trade exceptions. Shump and JR, for instance, were both “non-simultaneous” trades.”
    So, non-simultaneous in this context means that a player didn’t come back to you at the same time that you gave a player up. Got it. That actually makes sense.

  63. Yeah, it definitely makes sense, but the NBA sort of confuses things by using the terms “non-simultaneous trade” as well as “trade exception” in the CBA. They mean the same thing, but they really ought to just pick one term and go with it.

  64. they could easily make this trade by adding a vet min player to fit into one of okc’s exceptions

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