2012 Game Thread: New York v. Dallas

Today is a major test for the Knicks, as they host the defending NBA Champion Dallas Mavericks. During the period known as “Linsanity,” the Knicks have had a relatively easy schedule, with the win over the Lakers being the only win against a really good team. So this has led the media to throw in a bunch of “well, let’s see them do it against good teams.” Today is just that sort of matchup. The Mavericks come in riding a six-game winning streak against some good teams all the while dealing with significant injuries. Shawn Marion has been outstanding on defense as of late, and he’ll likely see a lot of time as the “Lin-Stopper,” so let’s hope that Lin can adjust well and maybe make a few less careless passes.

Melo is out for today, Baron Davis will likely only play in a blowout and D’Antoni apparently wants to get JR Smith some practice time before throwing him into the mix. I bet Smith gets in there, though (and hopefully the Knicks are up by enough that Davis gets some burn, as well). Bill Walker is out, so Iman Shumpert will get the start in his place (even more reason for Smith to see some burn).

Use this thread for your in-game comments.

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502 thoughts to “2012 Game Thread: New York v. Dallas”

  1. Shump Shump. Nice neck tatoos, JR. Can someone please let me know where I can watch this one on line?

  2. Wow Landry..where’d that dunk come from?? lol..I thought 4 sure that was gonna be a layup

  3. Brian Cronin:
    I mentioned Marion’s defense, but his offense has been amazing recently, as well.

    Yeah, if he’s gonna keep hitting a jump hook on the baseline from 10 feet away, we’re in big trouble

  4. I do not think the Knicks have run the PnR with Chandler yet this game. Nice way to scout your own tendencies.

  5. Okay, you’re Hubie Brown, you’re the color commentator. In doing so, for the majority of this game, you are going to speak in the 2nd person. It’ll seem odd, but you’ll get used to it. You may even use words like, “lollygag,” that no one under 50 has ever heard but that’s okay because that’s what you do.

    Loves me some Hubie Brown

  6. I love Amare, and he is essential to this team, but he does a lot of standing around on defense, AND OFFENSE.
    Now I know he just dunked one. But watch what he is doing on offense. He stands around on the upper corners of the paint, setting a pick or waiting for a dump off pass, rather than moving around, finding open areas to operate.
    It is surprising to me to see how inactive he is. He’s a pretty mobile big man, why isn’t he using his mobility to get open? Am I missing something. Someone please explain this to me.

  7. It is surprising to me to see how inactive he is. He’s a pretty mobile big man, why isn’t he using his mobility to get open? Am I missing something. Someone please explain this to me.

    He’s getting used to Lin? I hope? I really dunno.

  8. Smith adds a completely new dimension. You can see the Mavs immediately changed their approach with him out there.

  9. JR Smith actually passed out of a couple of open shots, and has only taken really high quality shots. If he shows that sort of discipline, he is going to be a huge addition.

  10. Thank you, Hubie, for making me realize how much me and jeremy have in common.

    I too never stop trying to penetrate. I too can finish with either hand.

  11. I may Brit imagining it because of what I read here but JR Smith seems like he is is shooting position before he even catches the pass.

  12. one thing: a lot has been said about how Baron will feed off the crowd’s energy, J.R is a similar player in that sense, he really steps up his game when the crowd is buzzing

  13. Rfs have got to start showing Lin some respect. That dude rubbed virtually all his body parts on Lin before they finally called something.
    Our big mended to start pounding their little guys in retaliation

  14. Brian Cronin:
    Lin getting star treatment from the refs. I love it! Especially after most refs were letting teams just beat the shit out of him constantly.

    +1

  15. JR AND NOVAK ON THE SAME COURT, MAKE IT RAIN SOME 3’s. ALso great move by D’Antoni to have Shump on Dirk. WTF

  16. JR Smith seems like a player who was made to play in MSG. He’s going to have games where he feeds off of the crowd’s energy and get a lot of buckets in little time.

  17. JR Smith being on the court is taking away the double team from JLin. This could be a huge game for the Knicks and a huge step forward if they continue playing this well.

  18. massive: JR Smith seems like a player who was made to play in MSG. He’s going to have games where he feeds off of the crowd’s energy and get a lot of buckets in little time.

    Someone told you this a long time ago.

  19. xcat01: JR Smith being on the court is taking away the double team from JLin. This could be a huge game for the Knicks and a huge step forward if they continue playing this well.

    LMAO…

  20. Billy Walker’s scratch and Novak playing in the first quarter gives everyone a big clue on the future rotation.

  21. I don’t think we’re getting ahead of ourselves at all here, so..who do we need to move to clear enough space to sign Lin AND Smith this offseason?

  22. JR Smith is one of the 15-20 most talented players in the NBA. He’s never played with a penetrate and kick pg, nor this kind of spread system.

    How much that improves his numbers is anyone’s guess. merely the fact that he won’t have to look over his shoulder at a coach who despises him could make a world of difference.

  23. I don’t think we’re getting ahead of ourselves at all here, so..who do we need to move to clear enough space to sign Lin AND Smith this offseason?

    The Knicks are over the cap with pretty much just Melo/STAT/Chandler. So, one of them essentially (in other words, likely won’t happen).

  24. SSS: I don’t think we’re getting ahead of ourselves at all here, so..who do we need to move to clear enough space to sign Lin AND Smith this offseason?

    That’s my thing. Smith is the guy who puts this team over the top, IMO. I’m not sure there’s anything they can do within the structure of the roster nor CBA. So, get creative Dolan, Amar’e and Melo, figure out a way to line this kid’s pockets with enough money so that he’ll sign for the bi-annual.

  25. This game is going exactly like the Sixer-Mav game the other night, the Sixers built a big lead, and then in the 3rd quarter the Mavs played insane D and went ahead for good. Long long way to go in this one.

  26. You guys are going to love JR now, but when he starts hoisting shots hero-balling you may think otherwise. But for now he’s taken good open shots, the other ones were shot clock winding down.

  27. jon abbey: two people.fantastic quarter, but Lin played all 12 minutes. let’s get Baron in there now.

    That’s right, Jon.

    You were on it from the beggining.

  28. SSS:
    I don’t think we’re getting ahead of ourselves at all here, so..who do we need to move to clear enough space to sign Lin AND Smith this offseason?

    No one. It was a 2 year deal w/a player option. If Earl wants to stay, he can

  29. Basically the Knicks have $7.5M to sign JLin and Smith or someone else, not a lot of money. @rururulans2, I knew Smith was a great shooter but he has always been labeled a ball stopper. Congrats to being right about how he would fit with the Knicks.

  30. TheXman: You guys are going to love JR now, but when he starts hoisting shots hero-balling you may think otherwise. But for now he’s taken good open shots, the other ones were shot clock winding down.

    Most of his bad shots come after he’s made a few.

    His (bad) shot selection has always been overplayed by the media, however.

    Some of it was a function of him creating his own shot and playing pg in Denver, but you’ll never hear that from the people who don’t know what they’re talking about.

  31. Having nothing but box scores as my guide, JR was by far and away the best player on his team in China. I hope, and it looks like, being thrown into that situation has affected his leadership and maturity. To that point, our old friend Starbury is one of the most popular players in the CBA and by all accounts he’s in shape and has his head on straight. Can’t wait to see how Ill Will comes back.

  32. TheXman:
    You guys are going to love JR now, but when he starts hoisting shots hero-balling you may think otherwise.But for now he’s taken good open shots, the other ones were shot clock winding down.

    and why would he?

    he’s basically playing for his future in NY, he knows that he needs to stay in line in order to get a huge contract next year… I don’t buy the whole “he’s a headcase and won’t adjust” thing…

    he’s been through hard times in China, he understands that now is his big chance, and the Garden is the best place to show he’s worthy of a big contract next year.

  33. xcat01: Basically the Knicks have $7.5M to sign JLin and Smith or someone else, not a lot of money. @rururulans2, I knew Smith was a great shooter but he has always been labeled a ball stopper. Congrats to being right about how he would fit with the Knicks.

    ball stopper never made any sense. It’s a claim made by the same charlatans who think Melo won’t fit with Lin.

  34. Amare’s shot seems flatter than it used to. All of his jumpers seem like they’re line drives, I don’t remember it being like that last year.

  35. Richmond County: Having nothing but box scores as my guide, JR was by far and away the best player on his team in China. I hope, and it looks like, being thrown into that situation has affected his leadership and maturity. To that point, our old friend Starbury is one of the most popular players in the CBA and by all accounts he’s in shape and has his head on straight. Can’t wait to see how Ill Will comes back.

    What makes you think today is an abberation from what he previously did?

    Again, when you have a poisonous relationship with your coach, things have a tendency to go rotten, or be mispercieved, quite easily.

  36. so there is basically no difference between the knicks with Lin on the court and without him, right???? haha

  37. Amare is useless, I think they’re better without him. He couldn’t body up and grab that rebound. Only purpose he serves is finishing at the rim when Lin drives.

  38. xduckshoex:
    Amare’s shot seems flatter than it used to.All of his jumpers seem like they’re line drives, I don’t remember it being like that last year.

    You mean because he’s trying to put it through the glass ?lol

  39. jon abbey: Amare looks terrible, jesus.

    Indeed.

    This is really concerning.

    Right now he’s a sum negative. I’m a big fan of Amar’e the human, and still want to believe he has that old Amar’e game somewhere, but in this system with this talent how much more valuable would a PF who could simply knock down a mid-range jumper, finish wide-open dunks and play solid defense be?

  40. It’s pretty clear that Amar’e is not physically 100%. I think you have to give him a pass on physical errors, so long as he is putting out full effort. Today, at least, he has been moving well on defense to recover on the screen and roll. Of course, as I typed that, he allowed his man to get open for a monster dunk.

  41. So weird. Amare stands there at the top of the paint and holds his hands out. I mean he’s not open. He’s actually calling for and iso. I love that Landry just dribbled around that and took it to the hole. Amare needs to move more away from the ball and create some open space for himself.

  42. ephus:
    It’s pretty clear that Amar’e is not physically 100%.

    I don’t think it’s clear at all, I’m still giving him some time to adjust after coming back from a week off. he certainly looked awful in the first quarter, though…

  43. I’m also glad that the addition of JR hasn’t hurt Landry’s confidence. I was worried about Shump 2.0 from earlier this year. It was probably a happy accident, but I think it was good to have both of them on the floor at the same time at first.

  44. TheXman:
    lead evaporated in 4 minutes, great transition D by Amare, fucking christ.

    See that’s where the Amare criticism gets carried away. They had a 2 on 1 and scored, best case scenario is he fouls someone and makes them shoot FT’s.

  45. My wife contends that Amare is still in a fog after the death of his big brother. He’s a thoughtful guy and I suspect she’s right. It’s affecting his energy

  46. Fields looks like he has the same chemistry with Smith that he had been developing with Melo. So imagine those guys playing together along with Lin at the 1 and Chandler at the 5? Should be pretty to watch.

  47. Richmond County: I’m also glad that the addition of JR hasn’t hurt Landry’s confidence. I was worried about Shump 2.0 from earlier this year. It was probably a happy accident, but I think it was good to have both of them on the floor at the same time at first.

    bizarre to think it would. Believe it or not Knicks fans but NBA players like playing alongside talented NBA players.

    Floor spacing and shooting threats are great complements to Fields’ game.

  48. When was the last time they ran a pnr with chandler? Sets a much better screen than amare…

    Nive stuff from amare though…

  49. Frank O.: My wife contends that Amare is still in a fog after the death of his big brother. He’s a thoughtful guy and I suspect she’s right. It’s affecting his energy

    I’m rooting for Amar’e and we should consider this strongly.

  50. Frank O.:
    My wife contends that Amare is still in a fog after the death of his big brother. He’s a thoughtful guy and I suspect she’s right. It’s affecting his energy

    I sympathize for him, but since he first started sucking as a Knick, there’ve been excuses. A max money guy has to eventually play like one, and for the last 80 games, he’s been a vet’s minimum guy.

  51. rururuland2: rururuland2
    February 19, 2012 at 1:52 pm
    Frank O.: My wife contends that Amare is still in a fog after the death of his big brother. He’s a thoughtful guy and I suspect she’s right. It’s affecting his energy

    +1

    I’m rooting for Amar’e and we should consider this strongly.

  52. Bruno Almeida:
    I’ve said it 15 games ago that we should trade Amare, and that’s still my opinion

    Like I said to the other dude, you’re entitled to you opinion…

  53. The criticism is that if Amare gets paid as a MAX player, he should contribute as a MAX player. Right now, do you consider him a MAX player

  54. The Honorable Cock Jowles: I sympathize for him, but since he first started sucking as a Knick, there’ve been excuses. A max money guy has to eventually play like one, and for the last 80 games, he’s been a vet’s minimum guy.

    you might want to look up the box score for game 1 of the playoffs.

  55. rururuland2: bizarre to think it would. Believe it or not Knicks fans but NBA players like playing alongside talented NBA players.

    Floor spacing and shooting threats are great complements to Fields’ game.

    Confidence not effectiveness. If you bring in a veteran guy who player your same position, I would expect a young player’s confidence to be shaken. All the same, glad it’s not the case so far.

  56. The criticism is that if Amare gets paid as a MAX player, he should contribute as a MAX player. Right now, do you consider him a MAX player

    His contract is locked in and they can’t trade him with his uninsured knees, so the Knicks are more or less “stuck” with him. I think he will improve, but even if I thought he wouldn’t, he’s not going anywhere.

  57. TheXman:
    The criticism is that if Amare gets paid as a MAX player, he should contribute as a MAX player.Right now, do you consider him a MAX player

    why does that matter? his contract is already signed.

  58. really fantastic half from Lin, Dallas has a very good D and is pressuring the crap out of him on every possession, but he still has 12 points, 5 assists, and no turnovers.

  59. jon abbey: why does that matter? his contract is already signed.

    Actually, it makes the calls to trade Amar’e less reasonable. If Amar’e is not currently a MAX player, the Knicks would have to give up a lot to get another team to take him.

  60. Frank O.: Like I said to the other dude, you’re entitled to you opinion…

    I know.

    Amare gets paid like a max player and is nowhere near that level of production, why shouldn’t we consider trade scenarios?

    if something good comes up, why not?

  61. I understand the excuses for Amare, but if he didn’t feel he was ready then he should take more time to grieve. I assume that he came back, he was fully ready to go. If not, then it’s understandable if he needed more time.

  62. d-mar: How about games 1-50 last season?

    yeah, exactly. I don’t know what’s going on with him, but I really don’t think he’s just dropped off a cliff for good.

  63. really fantastic half from Lin, Dallas has a very good D and is pressuring the crap out of him on every possession, but he still has 12 points, 5 assists, and no turnovers.

    Yeah, I love the no turnovers against a good team.

  64. The Honorable Cock Jowles: I sympathize for him, but since he first started sucking as a Knick, there’ve been excuses. A max money guy has to eventually play like one, and for the last 80 games, he’s been a vet’s minimum guy.

    I realize, but Knicks fans are notoriously impatient, evidenced by the very solid former Knicks out there. We saw one of them the other night, Gallo, a 3 point specialist out in Portland, David Lee, etc.
    I keep hearing people revert to Trade him, every time someone goes through a bad spate.
    Amare deserves more respect than he gets here.

  65. jon abbey: you might want to look up the box score for game 1 of the playoffs.

    Good point. He was awesome in that game, wasn’t he?

    So how bad would he have to have been for the remaining 3 games to post a:

    10.7 PER
    .442 TS%
    .382 eFG%
    -0.031 WS/48 (that’s a negative value, by the way)

    I don’t like using small samples, but you really want to argue that he was good in the playoffs last year?

  66. Richmond County: Confidence not effectiveness. If you bring in a veteran guy who player your same position, I would expect a young player’s confidence to be shaken. All the same, glad it’s not the case so far.

    Yeah but let’s be realistic here. JR Smith is not going to threaten Fields’ role as a glue player.

    This whole notion of not having enough minutes to dole out is being completely overblow. If anything, Fields is being over-extended in a truncated schedule. Moreover, he (WAS) being asked to do things he’s not great nor comfortable doing, i.e. be the sole shooting threat outside of the playmakers.

    JR Smith, just like Melo and Lin, makes Fields job much easier.

    I think Fields is at his best when he fits into the little seams created by excellent offensive players.
    He’s an ideal role player who thrives when there isn’t a significant burden for him to produce in a certain way every game, if that makes sense.

  67. jon abbey: you might want to look up the box score for game 1 of the playoffs.

    And he was one of the most dominant players in the game for the first half of the season last year.

  68. Guys, guys, we have to keep in mind the jury’s still out until we see how Lin plays against a good team with a good defense.

    He’ll probably look more like Sundiata Gaines then.

  69. The Honorable Cock Jowles:
    I don’t like using small samples, but you really want to argue that he was good in the playoffs last year?

    man, you really don’t watch the games, huh? he got hurt and tried to play through it after that.

  70. I mean, if we could get a cheaper PF who’s still productice to start in Amare’s place + some expiring contracts that would allow us to be able to resign Lin, Fields and J.R Smith, wouldn’t it make us a better team in the end?

  71. Frank O.: I realize, but Knicks fans are notoriously impatient, evidenced by the very solid former Knicks out there. We saw one of them the other night, Gallo, a 3 point specialist out in Portland, David Lee, etc.
    I keep hearing people revert to Trade him, every time someone goes through a bad spate.
    Amare deserves more respect than he gets here.

    Are we referring to a #1 draft pick who had a bad rookie season but shows promise?

    Or a former All-NBA quality player with a major knee surgery in his past who will be 30 this calendar year?

    We have every right to be critical. He’s not in his “prime” anymore, but he’s making max money. That’s a terrible deal. That’s an Isiah deal.

  72. jon abbey: yeah, exactly. I don’t know what’s going on with him, but I really don’t think he’s just dropped off a cliff for good.

    +1

  73. jon abbey: really fantastic half from Lin, Dallas has a very good D and is pressuring the crap out of him on every possession, but he still has 12 points, 5 assists, and no turnovers.

    Imagine the kind of openings both Melo and Lin will have when they present the defense with themselves — dual focal points.

    Nuts,imo.

  74. I know that Fields missed the 3, but I love the way that Lin is looking to make passes out of the penetration. A lot better than Friday.

  75. rururuland2: Imagine the kind of openings both Melo and Lin will have when they present the defense with themselves — dual focal points.

    Nuts,imo.

    I’m starting to agree with you and become more optimistic, the team does look much better with Smith and I’m hopeful that Melo will make it even better.

  76. still just 5-16 from 3 point range that half, that is going to get better. hopefully it’s this half that it does…

  77. Still leading. Lin 12 points 6 assists 2 steals and 1 TO, which was on the last play. Not bad against a good defense.

  78. @155, Nice thought but who would give the Knicks that for Stat? If you are watching and saying that he is not worth a Max contract, don’t you think that every GM in the league is thinking the same thing? Let’s just support the team we have. This is what the Knicks are going to be running with for the rest of the year.

  79. The Honorable Cock Jowles: Are we referring to a #1 draft pick who had a bad rookie season but shows promise?

    Or a former All-NBA quality player with a major knee surgery in his past who will be 30 this calendar year?

    We have every right to be critical. He’s not in his “prime” anymore, but he’s making max money. That’s a terrible deal. That’s an Isiah deal.

    But you conveniently ignore the fact that his presence changed everything for this team. Like it or not, Carmelo is here because of Amare. Chandler is here because of both of them. JR Smith is in NYC because of them.
    Amare was the first marquis player to say NEW YORK is back and it meant something. And his run of 30 pt games last year backed that up.
    I think your making an argument that is unfair and I’m a little surprised at your intransigence given the evidence against what you contend.
    In my view the money the Knicks spent have been well earned and it sent a message to the league. Lebron was a coward.
    And last year in the playoffs before the injury, Amare was a man among boys.

  80. IMO, that was the best Lin has played this season, given the Mavs defense and the fact that every coach is watching film and he’s not surprising anyone.

  81. I don’t think baron will play unless it is a blowout either way…the dude hasn’t even practiced in weeks….he was playing 3-on-3 and 5-on-0 yesterday…..if they thrust him in without practice he could try to do too much and reinjure himself or he just could be a liability (I know being worse than shump or bibby at point seems hard to believe, but if he can’t defend due to back and commits needless turnovers being out of practice, it could be ugly)

  82. Brian Cronin:
    I don’t get ever being down on JR Smith. The guy didn’t even have to be all that good for him to be a major improvement.

    people confuse his off the court persona with his on the court game, there’s a reason past teammates like Melo and Chris Paul wanted to play with him again so badly.

  83. JR Smith 3-8 with 9 pts and just 1 assist….

    felt like he had a much bigger impact, (more efficient) right?

    Well, I don’t think there’s any doubt about it. He was Denver’s leader in cumulative +/- over his tenure for a reason.

    This is my problem with advanced metrics. The threat of JR Smith shooting created two things 1)less help on drives for Lin and fields 2) Quicker close-outs.

    the difference between Smith, and say Novak (who is far superior by advanced metrics) is that Smith can get his shoulder past a rotating defender, which eventually leads to a much better shot than Novak can create.

    The outcome of which is not going to benefit Smith more than it would Novak (by not being able to drive past his defender), but it will benefit the team more.

    This is why usage is “overvalued” in Hollinger’s system.

  84. Watching highlights from the Clips-Spurs game with the throw-back jerseys. I wish the San Antonio had stuck with the “Chaps” nickname. We could have had a very heated, pants themed rivalry with them.

  85. Yeah, if Davis had anything right now, I’m sure he’d get in there. That he hasn’t seems to me that he really is just not ready (except for blowout minutes where it’d be glorified scrimmage time).

    Then again, D’Antoni also apparently wasn’t planning playing Smith, so I guess I shouldn’t ever assume D’Antoni’s rotations make sense…

  86. dallas is a top defense and the number 1 D on the PnR

    dogrufus:
    Guys, guys, we have to keep in mind the jury’s still out until we see how Lin plays against a good team with a good defense.

    He’ll probably look more like Sundiata Gaines then.

  87. Brian Cronin:
    I don’t get ever being down on JR Smith. The guy didn’t even have to be all that good for him to be a major improvement.

    Smith >>> Walker

  88. You could probably still trade Stoudemire for expiring contracts right now. Philly apparently called in not too long ago asking about him. I’m sure they were thinking something along the lines of Brand and Evan Turner for STAT. The problem is even if we got rid of STAT’s, Fields and Lin would eat up just about all the cap space that deal would make. You have to hope Stoudemire recovers, IMO.

  89. Frank O.: But you conveniently ignore the fact that his presence changed everything for this team. Like it or not, Carmelo is here because of Amare. Chandler is here because of both of them. JR Smith is in NYC because of them.
    Amare was the first marquis player to say NEW YORK is back and it meant something. And his run of 30 pt games last year backed that up.
    I think your making an argument that is unfair and I’m a little surprised at your intransigence given the evidence against what you contend.
    In my view the money the Knicks spent have been well earned and it sent a message to the league. Lebron was a coward.
    And last year in the playoffs before the injury, Amare was a man among boys.

    AND MAGIC LOVES THIS TEAM!!!

  90. xcat01:
    @155, Nice thought but who would give the Knicks that for Stat?If you are watching and saying that he is not worth a Max contract, don’t you think that every GM in the league is thinking the same thing?Let’s just support the team we have.This is what the Knicks are going to be running with for the rest of the year.

    I am supporting the team, I’m just looking at different possibilities.

    I’ve said it before and will repeat it, I love Amare, I have his jersey and have always been a big fan.

    but, unfortunately, he’s just not deserving of a max contract anymore, it’s sad but it’s true.

    and well, if there are people here on this board that still think Amare is worthy of a max contract, why wouldn’t there be GMs out there who share the same opinion?

    I mean, we see so many stupid contracts, Rashard Lewis is getting paid the max… a lot of GMs are pretty bad talent evaluators, if you ask me, it’s very possible that a GM trying to save his own job would take a chance at Amare for a reasonable price.

  91. Smith >>> Walker

    Exactly. Which is why I never understood the idea of being down on Smith. A friend of mine was arguing with me on Twitter about Smith, and it’s like, dude, he’s a good shooter, the team doesn’t have good shooters and he’s replacing guys like Walker, so how could it possibly be a bad thing? Plus, it’s for just $1.8 million! That’s roughly, what, a third of what he’d typically make? It was a no-brainer.

  92. Bruno Almeida: I’m starting to agree with you and become more optimistic, the team does look much better with Smith and I’m hopeful that Melo will make it even better.

    Tangent: Broussard is an idiot.

    Melo is pissed, man. And he’s always played his best when he feels slighted, and he’s never been slighted on this scale (not even close).

    All the elements are lining up for Melo to play the best ball of his career (and I mean this from a statistical perspective as well, because his ability to create tilted defense and open shots for teammates was extremely undervalued statistically).

    Knock on wood, if this team stays healthy it will be an unbelievable few months, maybe even into late May or dare I say June.

  93. Interviews with Stephen A. Smith are always an adventure. I mentioned this the other day, but I love how he screwed up by making the Lakers game his big test for Lin. When Lin kicked ass that game, he was pretty much done as a Lin-doubter. And yet he still tries to present himself like that!

  94. Robert Silverman: Earl Smith III reminds me of a 6’5? Nate Robinson w/better defense. And yes, that was intended to be a compliment

    And significantly more talented and efficient.

    Moves the ball much more freely relative to role and position. Robinson is a an overdribbler and essentially otu of the league.

  95. @Bruno, I hear ya. That is not Stat’s fault, the Suns wouldn’t give Stat a Max contract that should have been a warning sign. On the positive note, if it looks like the Knicks are one player away from winning a championship I can see Stat redoing his contract to free up cap room. He can do that after this season I believe.

  96. Ruru I agree Smith seemed like he did much more. Then again he packed his doing into about two minutes. I’m not sure I get what you mean about usage. I don’t disagree that Hollinger overvalues usage. I just can’t connect your dots.

  97. He can do that after this season I believe.

    He can only lower his salary during extensions, and extensions cannot be signed until three years after a contract is signed.

  98. This team is playing really well against a red-hot Dallas team. The Knicks have played solid half-court defense and are getting lots of baskets because of Lin’s dribble penetration. Knicks need to get to the FT line more in the second half, though. That is one area in which we miss Melo.

  99. Some of you folks are acting like STAT is averaging 10 points and 4 rebounds and is a total scrub….I admit he has not played like a max salary type, but he is still putting up decent number for someone who has been banged up, lost his brother and played without an even average point guard the majority of the season so far….oh, and he couldn’t work out all last summer due to back rehab and had not training camp, 2 measly preseason games and virtually no practice time….when you put that all together, it is not shocking that his shot has been off and he hasn’t had the lift he has had in the past and looks rusty…

    let’s give him some time to see what he has….prior to the death of his brother he was beginning to look a bit more spry.

  100. jon abbey: people confuse his off the court persona with his on the court game, there’s a reason past teammates like Melo and Chris Paul wanted to play with him again so badly.

    I’m fairly certain JR has some kind of undiagnosed issue.

    He’s far from stupid, but he’s assuredly out of balance.

    I’ve always felt that a coach or assistant who could essentially function as part-time counseler wth a soft style would be ideal for him.

    Karl and Scott were the complete opposite. If there’s any creative way the Knicks can figure to sign Smith, I hope MDA and co. take that approach.

  101. Frank O.: p.
    I think your making an argument that is unfair and I’m a little surprised at your intransigence given the evidence against what you contend.
    In my view the money the Knicks spent have

    +1 there, I mean the free agents weren’t going to come if David Lee was still manning the post. Granted that also shows a reflection of what conventional wisdom considers “good” in the NBA. There is too much of a reliance on scoring and dazzling dunks.

  102. Robert Silverman:
    Earl Smith III reminds me of a 6’5? Nate Robinson w/better defense. And yes, that was intended to be a compliment

    OK. I am the guy who has been saying that I was afraid that JR Smith was just a taller Nate, but I see something different that I expected. In the (extremely small sample size) first half, Smith was working within the context of the offense. Nate always seemed to be getting HIS points, despite the team dynamic. The biggest example of that was the time that Nate scored 20 straight points, but the coach (MDA, IIRC) was ready to kill him and the Knicks actually fell further behind during that streak.

    If JR Smith is the player who showed up for the first half, I was wrong and am a huge fan of the move. And now that he is a Knick, I only want him to be spectacular.

  103. Nick C.:
    Ruru I agree Smith seemed like he did much more. Then again he packed his doing into about two minutes.I’m not sure I get what you mean about usage. I don’t disagree that Hollinger overvalues usage. I just can’t connect your dots.

    Smith changed the Mavs D. Until that point they packed in the paint

  104. Nick C.: Ruru I agree Smith seemed like he did much more. Then again he packed his doing into about two minutes. I’m not sure I get what you mean about usage. I don’t disagree that Hollinger overvalues usage. I just can’t connect your dots.

    The outcomes from which Smith’s penetrating will create higher usage, even if some of the time he’s simply creating a pass that eventually leads to a good shot.

    When Novak gets closed out his usage gets sealed as well, as he essentially holds the ball and waits for a guard to take it.

    There are more statistically negative outcomes to Smith driving than their are to Novak holding and waitng for the guard. Smith can turn it over, shoot a “less efficient” two point shot, even if both of those things are the result of a much better basketball play.

    Does that make more sense?

  105. xcat01:
    @Bruno,I hear ya.That is not Stat’s fault, the Suns wouldn’t give Stat a Max contract that should have been a warning sign.On the positive note, if it looks like the Knicks are one player away from winning a championship I can see Stat redoing his contract to free up cap room.He can do that after this season I believe.

    yeah, it’s not Amare’s fault, the guy is doing what he can.

    the new provision of the CBA that allows players to renegotiate contracts is pretty nice on that sense… but look, we could try to trade Amare for Josh Smith + Hinrich’s 8 million expiring contract, which would give us a big chance to resign Lin + J.R Smith… and if we have to hope Amare suddenly finds his form, why not hope Smith eventually figures it out?

  106. it’s incredibly irritating that we’re paying our starting PF 18 million to have IMAN SHUMPERT guarding Nowitzki…………..

  107. All of a sudden, the Knicks have no passing lanes. it looks like Dallas is playing an aggressive 2-3 zone and jupmping the lanes.

  108. JR Smith is going to be a 30 mpg player here, it may inflate his price but you need to have him on the floor making everyone else better.

  109. what a disaster, this is D’Antoni’s fault for having Shump guard Dirk. ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID D’ANTONI JEEZUS CHRIST

  110. yeah, it was nice for one half at least.

    at this point, we’re better off starting Jeffies, at least he tries on D and doesn’t give Dirk 4 point plays.

  111. We absolutely MUST have Smith in the starting lineup even if it looks bad.

    We can’t just have zero shooting against this zone.

  112. ephus:
    All of a sudden, the Knicks have no passing lanes.it looks like Dallas is playing an aggressive 2-3 zone and jupmping the lanes.

    Yep.
    And the Knicks energy is low. Lin is having trouble. Odom or Marion is huge comparatively

  113. TheXman: what a disaster, this is D’Antoni’s fault for having Shump guard Dirk. ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID D’ANTONI JEEZUS CHRIST

    Dirk used to be bothered by this a long time ago. Like when MDA was coaching in PHX. Marion ( who is about as long as Shump) was the guy he used on Dirk.

    Amar’e never guarded Dirk.

  114. Dallas’s frnt court is pounding the glass, and amare is standing around at the top of the key. Man, Amare is not in his head.

  115. If I was MDA, I’d have Jeffries on Dirk while he’s in the game, and limit Stat’s minutes to Center when Chandler is out. Nothing against Amare, its just a horrible matchup for him.

  116. Anyone who doesn’t think a good offense doesn’t stall against a good defense isn’t paying attention.

    A few Melo iso’s would come in handy to break the ice a bit.

  117. I don’t even remember the last time we beat dallas…or even played a close game against them….dirk always torches the knicks it seems!

  118. Lin is starting to lose the ball on his drives again. That’s something that is really starting to worry me because it doesn’t seem like it’s something the defense is doing different, they’re just swiping at the ball like they do when every NBA guard gets penetration.

  119. rururuland2:
    Anyone who doesn’t think a good offense doesn’t stall against a good defense isn’t paying attention.

    A few Melo iso’s would come in handy to break the ice a bit.

    I do agree, but what has killed us in this game has been our complete inability to guard Dirk, and that falls on Amare’s shoulders.

    he’s got what, 12 points on this quarter alone?

  120. Dallas is packing the lane with a zone, and then jumping out on the passing lanes. Time for JR Smith and Novak to rain some 3s.

    Great pass by JR to Chandler coming into the time out.

  121. Bruno Almeida: I do agree, but what has killed us in this game has been our complete inability to guard Dirk, and that falls on Amare’s shoulders.

    he’s got what, 12 points on this quarter alone?

    Yeah, how can we let a complete stiff like Nowitzki beat us?

  122. Bruno Almeida: I do agree, but what has killed us in this game has been our complete inability to guard Dirk, and that falls on Amare’s shoulders.he’s got what, 12 points on this quarter alone?

    Dirk is really good but too many easy shots, I agree.

    We’re playing the world champs, who are rolling and at full strength. Let’s not overlook that. You need your full squad, typically, to win in that situation.

  123. Shumpert on Dirk is inexplicable, if you’re going to go that way, just start Jeffries.

    JR Smith might be my favorite Knick already.

  124. D’Antoni leaving Stat in there that long is one of the things I don’t like about him. He walks on egg shells with the top players. At most he screams to the rookies and role players, indirectly trying to get at them…

  125. ephus:
    Dallas is packing the lane with a zone, and then jumping out on the passing lanes.Time for JR Smith and Novak to rain some 3s.

    Great pass by JR to Chandler coming into the time out.

    Or have JLin attack the zone to the rim.

  126. d-mar: Yeah, how can we let a complete stiff like Nowitzki beat us?

    I’m sorry, but even Novak can hit open 3’s, specially when the guy who’s guarding you either fouls you for a 4pt play or slips and lets a former MVP and league champion shoot wide open 3’s.

  127. Brian Cronin: I agree that Lin’s TOs are unsettling, because as noted, they’re sloppy TOs. Also, make your free throws, guys!

    They are turnovers of physical exhaustion.

    You don’t go smoothly from bench-warmer to highest usage guy in the league. Takes time to build that kind of endurance, sometimes guys aren;t capable of ever getting there.

  128. Great ten second segment by JJ. Follow-up rebound and put-back. Then, forced the turnover, leading to JLin breakaway.

  129. Amare sits, we go on a 7-0 run…

    I don’t want to sound like a broken record, but still…

  130. rururuland2: They are turnovers of physical exhaustion.

    I don’t think that’s true, they’re often from trying to force things that aren’t there, but he’s been playing in lineups that have very little ability to score, so it’s hard to blame him too much for forcing the action.

  131. And ya were worried that JJ’s minutes might go down too much. Chandler at the 5 and JJ at the 1/2/3/4 is amazing.

  132. So I guess we’re better with Stoudemire on the bench and Melo injured….guess it is time to just waive those scrubs…off to the Finals we will go!

  133. If Amare can hit a couple open shots and rebound he’s obv an asset. But if he doesn’t score enough he just lets his opponents score more, so what’s the point.

  134. Can we have maybe a 5 minute moratorium on blaming Amare for everything? In the third quarter, Dallas turned up their D, we turned the ball over pretty much every time down the court, Dirk made every shot he took, and they built a double digit lead. Then they started missing shots, we made a few, and we’re back in the game.

  135. jon abbey: I don’t think that’s true, they’re often from trying to force things that aren’t there, but he’s been playing in lineups that have very little ability to score, so it’s hard to blame him too much for forcing the action.

    I think it’s both. When you’re tired you lose some of your coordination and legs. When he gets tired he barrels into traffic and his dribble gets higher, he also loses his body control and change of direction.

    When he has energy we’ve seen him Bob Cousy around the defense.

    The exhuastion is a byproduct if the burden.

  136. Bruno Almeida:
    Amare sits, we go on a 7-0 run…

    I don’t want to sound like a broken record, but still…

    Amare just needs to drop the goggles i’m telling you

  137. rururuland2: The outcomes from which Smith’s penetrating will create higher usage, even if some of the time he’s simply creating a pass that eventually leads to a good shot.

    When Novak gets closed out his usage gets sealed as well, as he essentially holds the ball and waits for a guard to take it.

    There are more statistically negative outcomes to Smith driving than their are to Novak holding and waitng for the guard. Smith can turn it over, shoot a “less efficient” two point shot, even if both of those things are the result of a much better basketball play.

    Does that make more sense?

    Yes

  138. I agree that Lin is being forced to play too much and his grit in those minutes has been amazing. But that doesn’t excuse bricking free throws or careless passes. It’s obviously outweighed by his great overall play, but these are problems that can be solved relatively easier (as opposed to, say, Shump and Fields’ outside shot).

  139. rururuland2: I think it’s both. When you’re tired you lose some of your coordination and legs. When he gets tired he barrels into traffic and his dribble gets higher, he also loses his body control and change of direction.

    When he has energy we’ve seen him Bob Cousy around the defense.

    The exhuastion is a byproduct if the burden.

    I don’t think that’s true because he had 8 in the first half against New Orleans and if I recall correctly the bulk of them were in the first quarter. It’s not exhaustion at the start of the game.

    One thing I have noticed is that he keeps his dribble really far away from his body which makes it easier to poke the ball away without reaching in. I think that has a lot to do with it.

  140. Nick, I thought that your comment was a little trademark notice for “Novak!” because we say it so much. I know it wasn’t, but I have still given you credit for the clever wordplay.

  141. I f****** love this team without Amare, really.

    how was Novak without a team so long? I mean, all he can do is shoot, but he can REALLY shoot, I can think of a LOT of teams who could use him right now.

  142. Brian Cronin: A back injury for Chandler? Weird (and not good). Rough play by Smith.

    Mind you he’s playing without any idea of what the cuts and reads are on offense. You’ll notice that almost all of the Knicks weakside motion and drag screens haven’t been executed.

    It’s impossible to run any of them when one guy has no idea what the plays or calls are.

    The fact that the Knicks are doing what they’re doing in these circumstances against the champs, with no Melo a struggling Amar’e and no plays on offense, should give you a decent idea of the team’s potential moving forward.

  143. Doug: was a little trademark notice for “Novak!” because we say it so much. I know it wasn’t, but I have still given you credit for the clever wordplay.

    Lamar is pretty awful right now, but great poke out by JR there. Chandler seriously injured? What does D’Antoni have to finish the quarter? Shump on DIRK again

  144. You know what else? Novak has been passable on D. Doesn’t try to do to much, puts his arms up, moves his feet. If Novak can do that, why can’t STAT?

  145. Owen:
    Crazy to say but I kind of think JJ is better than amare right now….

    the way JJ hustles and tries incredibly hard on every play is really inspiring, the guy never gets fazed… he gets booed, waived, signs for a minimum contract and still plays his heart out every time down the court.

    he could surely teach a little bit of this to some guys out there.

  146. Doug: I didn’t know JR could play D like that. That was beastly post defense vs Odom.

    We told you. JRs weakness on offense is that he roams and gets caught out of position at times.

  147. Look, I love the way JJ has been playing as well….best he has played in his entire tenure as a Knicks by far….but let’s not go nuts here…I don’t think we want him rolling to the hoop on a PnR for a layup with the team down one come playoff time!

  148. Brian Cronin: He wasn’t. The Knicks got him directly from the Spurs.

    oh, that’s true, thanks, forgot about that.

    it kinda makes sense, the Spurs have a lot of outside shooters, they didn’t really need him.

  149. LINN! Good offensive rebound hustle play by Amare, give hiim credit there. NOVVAAAAK AHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KEEP UP THE D

  150. Brian Cronin:
    Nick, I thought that your comment was a little trademark notice for “Novak!” because we say it so much. I know it wasn’t, but I have still given you credit for the clever wordplay.

    The only trademark is that my typing sucks.

  151. Dallas is a great team and this is a great game of ebb and flow.
    Anyone thinking this should be a blow out either way isn’t being realistic.
    Each team is forcing the other to make errors. Each team is making adjustments on the fly.
    Great game, and generally well played.

  152. Brian Cronin: He’s been playing the best D of his career lately.

    He needs 15 mins a game.

    Take 7 from JJ, 4 from amar’e and 3 from Chandler.

    Want to maximize JJ’s energy game over long haul with about 20 mpg, maybe 15.

  153. rururuland2: He needs 15 mins a game.Take 7 from JJ, 4 from amar’e and 3 from Chandler.Want to maximize JJ’s energy game over long haul with about 20 mpg, maybe 15.

    Nice math, Ruland.

  154. Wow, that is a tough call in the Knicks’ favor. Don’t worry, Dallas, Chandler makes one at best (please prove me wrong, Chandler, you know I love you).

  155. Marion is a hell of a defender. Geez

    He’s playing so well that they’re really confident they can trade him to free up cap space for Howard and Deron Williams. Williams I think is reasonable. Howard, not so much.

  156. Lin bad TO to lead to a Terry 3, then Lin comes back with his own 3. Just a bad TO there tho, how can he cut those down?

  157. People understand that the Knicks are currently playing offense without any of their plays or sets, correct?

    To win in these circumstances would be an incredible testament to this team’s potential.

  158. Brian Cronin: He’s playing so well that they’re really confident they can trade him to free up cap space for Howard and Deron Williams. Williams I think is reasonable. Howard, not so much.

    Yeah, I agree with you

  159. We cannot let this game be close at the end, because the Mavs have Dirk and he’ll either score or get a foul call.

  160. MELO WOULD BE HELPFUL IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE, they’re waiting for the clock to wind down and the PNRs are getting broken.

  161. TheXman: Lin bad TO to lead to a Terry 3, then Lin comes back with his own 3. Just a bad TO there tho, how can he cut those down?

    Uh, a lot of ways, none of which have to do with his ability or stamina (though I think the second is a factor at times).

    Right now Smith is not established in the offense as the weakside PnR., nor Melo. There is no motion to set up Lin coming off a screen to recieve the ball for a PnR on the wing, a big part of MDA’s offense

  162. One game and JR Smith is already doing something Karl would never allow: finishing the game (as being one of the team’s five best players should naturally warrant.)

  163. WOW, Great win but a little strange at the end. Dirk was fouled and the whole Mavs team stood around waiting for the call.

  164. Tyson Chandler is f’n awesome.

    quick question – is there any elite player who complains to the refs as much as Dirk Nowitzki? Maybe MJ, back when.

  165. In all seriousness,. no one in the media can give Lin any more shit after today, right? I mean, yes, he has to work on the TOs and the free throw shooting, but that’s like saying Dwight Howard needs to work on free throw shooting, ya know? It’s a problem, but it is a problem of a very good player.

  166. Words I never thought I’d say: “Dirk got jobbed on that foul call”

    But we would have won anyway.

  167. 28 Pts, 14, assists, 5 steals, 4 boards.
    Super star #s against one of the best defensive teams in the league.
    And guarded by Marion most of the second half.
    Brilliant game

  168. this is an incredible win, so much fun, Lin was incredible, J.R played really well for a guy with no practice time, defense was good…

    I absolutely love this team right now, if Amare could somehow turn back the clock to 2009 it would be my favorite Knicks team ever.

  169. 28 Pts, 14, assists, 5 steals, 4 boards.
    Super star #s against one of the best defensive teams in the league.
    And guarded by Marion most of the second half.
    Brilliant game

    Exactly. That has to cinch the debate. He is just a plain ol’ good player. So if he has a bad game in the future, it is just him having a bad game, not him “coming back to Earth.”

  170. Dirk could’ve gotten a lot of calls, but didn’t. Also Dirk got a call against him with CHANDLER off the loose ball foul. A lot of things went our way, like Novak lighting it up. We also shouldn’t have been down that much due to D’Antoni’s ridiculous match up with SHUMP on Dirk.

  171. Brian Cronin:
    In all seriousness,. no one in the media can give Lin any more shit after today, right? I mean, yes, he has to work on the TOs and the free throw shooting, but that’s like saying Dwight Howard needs to work on free throw shooting, ya know? It’s a problem, but it is a problem of a very good player.

    +1

  172. Lin got doubled high all night and had a much larger Shawn Marion all over him and he figured it out and made plays. And when Melo is back, the double-teaming is no longer an option. It just keeps getting better and better.

  173. Love that MAGIC just called Mayweather out for his racist crap.
    Magic has always been a class dude.

  174. Lin just eats up the big moment. The dude is just not letting up!

    So, now that we’ve seen JR Smith, ny doubt that we need his skillset on this team?

    Novak was unreal, he really rescued us when things were going south.

    Atill think something is not right with Amare, either his back of his knees are not right.

  175. Bruno Almeida: this is an incredible win, so much fun, Lin was incredible, J.R played really well for a guy with no practice time, defense was good…I absolutely love this team right now, if Amare could somehow turn back the clock to 2009 it would be my favorite Knicks team ever.

    Melo. Hasn’t. Played. Yet.

    You think this team is good now?

  176. More than anything, JR Smith’s DEFENSE impressed me…never thought I would say that after this game…btw, I don’t think JR supplants Novak in the rotation after this one…we absolutely would NOT have won this game were it not for Novak being absolutely ice hot from long range!

  177. rururuland2: Melo. Hasn’t. Played. Yet.

    You think this team is good now?

    I just hope it gets even better, I’m trusting your judgment and hoping it proves true hahahah

  178. In other words, I think Novak and Smith will BOTH be in the rotation….probably Jorts will hardly play, except maybe spot minutes when he returns…and walker is clearly out, fortunately.

  179. You can’t jump into a foul this year. They changed that rule. Didn’t think it was a foul.

    Chandler is phenomenal. So much better than amare it’s crazy. Dude dominates the defensive boards.

  180. JR Smith is so fast! At times hustling for steals and to harass the ball he made the other players look like they were walking.

  181. art vandelay:
    More than anything, JR Smith’s DEFENSE impressed me…never thought I would say that after this game…btw, I don’t think JR supplants Novak in the rotation after this one…we absolutely would NOT have won this game were it not for Novak being absolutely ice hot from long range!

    both need to get minutes, I’m sorry for Shumpert (and his defense has been pretty fenomenal) but it’s his minutes that need to go down a little bit to accomodate J.R.

    and Walker is out of the rotation for me, at least.

  182. How did the Knicks go from having one of the worst benches in the NBA to one of the deepest and most talented? Amazing.

  183. Knicks4Eva: JR Smith is so fast! At times hustling for steals and to harass the ball he made the other players look like they were walking.

    Relentless energy doesn’t show up in box score. Both he and JJ look below average by advanced metrics today.

    You haven’t seen anything with regards to JR.

  184. D’Antoni can’t keep sending Lin out there for 45 minutes a game. We’re going to need 15 minutes of point guard play from somebody. Boom Dizzle?

  185. A playoff-like game.
    What is so amazing is at any one time, you can say Jeffries was huge, Chandler was huge, Novak was huge, Smith was huge, but this team only plays well when Lin is out there.
    It is so clear. Lin, man.

  186. Shump and Fields may now find their minutes reduced. Novak and JR smith really gives Lin a lot of spacing. I was worried with 4 minutes left, they didn’t have an offensive flow going. They made some heroic shots, while Dallas had some big misses (Terry’s late 3 that led to JR layup). Melo will help in those situations for hero ball when the defense tightens up.

    Amare got some good offensive rebounds and made those FTs, sad to ask that from our max player, but oh well.

  187. Bruno Almeida: both need to get minutes, I’m sorry for Shumpert (and his defense has been pretty fenomenal) but it’s his minutes that need to go down a little bit to accomodate J.R.and Walker is out of the rotation for me, at least.

    Amar’e and Chandler need to go to 30 mpg to accomodate 35 mpg from Novak and Amar’e.

    Shump and Fields will be excellent 20-25 mpg, Smith 25-30 mpg.

  188. Jorts should still get some minutes. The lineup looks really small when Chandler is out.

  189. Great win!

    Here are some additional positive points:

    1. When the Knicks look at the video, they will see that STAT was available for the weakside lob on a lot of the double teams on the pick and roll.

    2. JR Smith will learn the offense, which will help on the PnR.

    3. JR Smith put out a lot of energy on the defensive end, not just gambling for steals.

    4. Melo is coming back. That is adding a top 20 talent to this team.

    5. Lin is incredibly mentally tough. It would have been easy to fold late in the 3rd.

    6. JJ has found his game. It is a pure hustle/defense/rebound game, like a poor man’s Rodman circa 1989 (not the later edition who sought out rebounding stats to the detriment of his defense).

    7. Novak rebounded from a bad shooting game with a great shooting game.

    8. For the first half, Fields looked great. He had a really bad third quarter, but I think he can build from this.

    9. Question: Did I see BD about to check in at one point? If he is really ready to play, it will help.

    10. Tyson Chandler is a rough, tough SOB. He is the player that Red Holtzman hoped that Marvin Webster would be.

  190. D’Antoni puts chandler on Dirk. WHY NOT TRY THAT EARLIER? When they were shredding our asses, until Shump just racked up the fouls.

  191. TheXman: Shump and Fields may now find their minutes reduced. Novak and JR smith really gives Lin a lot of spacing. I was worried with 4 minutes left, they didn’t have an offensive flow going. They made some heroic shots, while Dallas had some big misses (Terry’s late 3 that led to JR layup). Melo will help in those situations for hero ball when the defense tightens up. Amare got some good offensive rebounds and made those FTs, sad to ask that from our max player, but oh well.

    They weren;t running any of their normal motion!!!!

    That’s part of what is so incredible about the win. It was ALL pick-up basketball, PNR at top and try to spread out.

  192. I’m sort of convinced that Amar’e’s back is either

    A) Still hurts
    B) He’s scared of hurting it again.

    It’s so awkward to move like he does. His posture is way too vertical in order to lateral effectively. I know that when my lower back is tight that I don’t really feel like bending over and squating.

  193. I was sad to see STAT’s basket taken off of the board….would have been a nice way to end it and perhaps a big confidence booster for him (if that is what is troubling him these days).

  194. TheXman: D’Antoni puts chandler on Dirk. WHY NOT TRY THAT EARLIER? When they were shredding our asses, until Shump just racked up the fouls.

    Keep him out of foul trouble. have to have him on floor doing other things.

    rururuland2: They weren;t running any of their normal motion!!!! That’s part of what is so incredible about the win. It was ALL pick-up basketball, PNR at top and try to spread out.

  195. Knicks so need Baron. Lin is playing too many minutes, but they can’t afford to sit him.
    They are an 8th seed type team with him on the bench and an elite team with him playing

  196. Frank O.:
    Knicks so need Baron. Lin is playing too many minutes, but they can’t afford to sit him.
    They are an 8th seed type team with him on the bench and an elite team with him playing

    In two weeks Lin has become indispensable.

  197. I think Amar’e’s problems on the offensive end are timing-related. He has to be in rhythm and flow to be effective. On defense he just flat out sucks, and I have no hope for him on that end.

  198. Personally, I think Jorts is out….no way to get him in at this point unless someone starts to really tail off.

  199. Jorts gives you a little bit different look than JJ on both ends of the floor. I think you could work in both of those guys depending on matchups. Against certain thick, physical guys you could go with Jorts.

    Plus Jeffries is a little brittle. I think Jorts will get some burn.

  200. ephus:
    Great win!

    Here are some additional positive points:

    1. When the Knicks look at the video, they will see that STAT was available for the weakside lob on a lot of the double teams on the pick and roll.

    But that’s usually because the defender’s are trapping hard on the ball. It would be crazy hard to throw a cross court lob to Amar’e under so much pressure. He tried a couple of times tonight and turned the ball over.

  201. These future Ny Heat match-ups are going to be absolutely epic, man.

    I’m not sure if I’ll be able to handle it.

  202. rururuland2: There’s no way you can fit him in right now.

    A big with 3 point range in a Mike D’antoni offense can’t be fit in? Check yourself.

  203. wow, what a win. Lin’s best game yet, 45 minutes against Shawn Marion and the rest of that tough veteran D, so impressive. I loved how the lane opened up for him when Novak and Smith were in there together.

    it’s going to be sad when Novak is taking some of Amare’s crunch time minutes: Lin, Smith, Melo, Novak, Chandler, good luck defending that.

  204. Frank O.: Knicks so need Baron. Lin is playing too many minutes, but they can’t afford to sit him.They are an 8th seed type team with him on the bench and an elite team with him playing

    I can;t wrap my mind around how good this team is going to at full strength with Melo, Baron and JR/Amar’e playing to their potentials in this offense.

    This team’s ability to beat the Heat or Bulls in a playoff series will come down to e down to how close Amar’e gets to old Amar’e .

  205. Linsane ends defending champ Mav’s six games winning streak while playing 46 minutes, dishes out another career-high 14 assists + 5 steals. Wow..I thought he was good..did not know he was going to be this good!

  206. rururuland2: I can;t wrap my mind around how good this team is going to at full strength with Melo, Baron and JR/Amar’e playing to their potentials in this offense.

    This team’s ability to beat the Heat or Bulls in a playoff series will come down to e down to how close Amar’e gets to old Amar’e .

    I know they took Amare’s points off the board in the end, but that was a big moment. I was impressed with his strength, creating space from nowitzki and draing that that. He can build from that.

  207. Richmond County: A big with 3 point range in a Mike D’antoni offense can’t be fit in? Check yourself.

    I like his game. But 11 man rotations aren’t realistic in competitive situations .

    This team is going to blow the doors off a lot of foes before the 4th quarter, so you’ll see Jorts in these upcoming boat races.

  208. Frank O.: I know they took Amare’s points off the board in the end, but that was a big moment. I was impressed with his strength, creating space from nowitzki and draing that that. He can build from that.

    We saw the old Amar’e against Chicago. We’ve seen flashes. I have faith it’s in there somehwere. if it is, no words.

  209. You can see why Dallas is such an outstanding defensive team– they play with tremendous discipline on D and are so well coached. They’re third in defensive rating despite starting the season very slowly, so in reality they may be the very best defensive team in the NBA. We didn’t get a lot of easy hoops in this one and were really fortunate to get good 3-point shooting. Yet we still won.

    Poor defensive teams are really going to have problems against us.

  210. He did just have 26 and 12 in his last game….it is not as if he is completely dead offensively…..I think STAT will be back at some point this season to at least something comparable more or less to what we have been used to….at least offensively…defensively, I think he may be a lost cause, but at least his mistakes can be covered up somewhat by Chandler now.

  211. JK47:
    Lin is more than just a competent point guard.He is a star player in this league.

    Ehhh…not so fast. Lin is awesome..this is true. Stars carry the load when the team is down, and Lin has done that..this is also true. Stars are a media sensation, which Lin is..also true. I just wanna hold off on the star talk until we see how well he runs the show with Melo back. It’s easier when ur running the show with Stat as ur “big dog” becuz ur running an offense that suits his strengths. And while it’s no question that Lin has the intestinal fortitude to thrive as our starting PG, but will he have that same confidence to make the rite basketball calls instead of ceding to Melo? But no question, he has all the makings of a star. I would say as of now he is right on the cusp and the slightest nudge will send him into flat out stardom. Teams will hafta gameplan for him which will make the going very tough for opposing defenses. Now u hafta worry about stopping the lobs to Chandler, stuffing the PnR,containing Melo, twarting Lin’s penetration and playmaking, AND play tight defense on the perimeter to avoid being torched by Smith, Novak and Fields. See how all of this is coming together? The scariest team to prepare for once we get rolling. No one, and I mean NO ONE in the league has that kind of combination right now. Plus the team can actually play defense well enough to get stops when we need them. Is Grunwald now exec of the year?

  212. rururuland2: I like his game. But 11 man rotations aren’t realistic in competitive situations .

    but the first nine guys might have enough offense that the 10th can be Novak or Jorts depending on the matchup. I do think all of the young guys are about to have their minutes cut a lot, we have some hungry vets who must know on some level this looks like a one year window.

    also, nice job by D’Antoni to go with that supersmall lineup in the 4th, counterintuitive and effective.

  213. @453

    In the playoffs, yeah, I think you’ll see a tighter rotation. During the regular season, though, D’Antoni would be wise to try to limit minutes of a guy like JJ, who takes a real pounding in there. I don’t think JJ will make it through 30 minutes a game of taking charges, getting banged on by behemoth opposing centers and all of the very useful things he does. Let Jorts take some of the abuse every now and then.

  214. I also didn’t like seeing J-Lin logging so many minutes today, but I think it’s because MDA didn’t want to throw Baron out there on national TV against the defending champs for his first taste of real action. Tomorrow night vs the Nets with Melo also there to bail him out if necessary sounds much better. Hopefully MDA is able to cut Lin’s minutes down to <30 tomorrow night.

    I liked what MDA did in some respects tonight, but what was up with Shumpert on Dirk. I know the kid has defensive talent but Dirk is literally twice his size. That one matchup for what, 10 total minutes nearly cost us the game.

  215. I liked what MDA did in some respects tonight, but what was up with Shumpert on Dirk. I know the kid has defensive talent but Dirk is literally twice his size. That one matchup for what, 10 total minutes nearly cost us the game.

    That was totally bizarre, especially when that is pretty much Jeffries’ entire reason for being on the team – to play guys like Dirk.

  216. If we don’t have Chandler, team is royally fucked. He’s the most important player on the team, well him and Lin are the most important.

  217. Lin has the ball in his hands about 80% of the time. Of course his turnover numbers are going to be higher. You can’t take away his aggressiveness. That’ s his game. Defenses get no rest when he has the ball.

  218. jon abbey: but the first nine guys might have enough offense that the 10th can be Novak or Jorts depending on the matchup. I do think all of the young guys are about to have their minutes cut a lot, we have some hungry vets who must know on some level this looks like a one year window. also, nice job by D’Antoni to go with that supersmall lineup in the 4th, counterintuitive and effective.

    But you have to really weight the benefits of what are essentially derivative strengths (given the similar overal value and overlapping attributes) vs. creating cohesion that will provide dividends in the playoffs.

    Yes, there are certain situations where you’d prefer one over the other, but you may end getting the least out of both of them without providing one of them to get rythym that comes from consistent and set role.

    The only guys, to me, who it doesn’t matter if they get consistent minutes every game are JJ and perhaps Shump — devoid of any real rythym in the half-court offense regardless.

    Want to maximize the energy of both.

  219. Luckily TC was still healthy enough to be on the floor at the end of the game, so hopefully he’s okay. He had 14 and 10 with 3 blocks today, 4-4 from the line, 5-7 from the floor, only 1 foul and 1 turnover. In short he was God-like.

  220. Chandler returned to the game and made the last basket….now he is getting x-rays? oh, my!!! on what? His back? Wrist?

  221. art vandelay: Chandler returned to the game and made the last basket….now he is getting x-rays? oh, my!!! on what? His back? Wrist?

    Has to be wrist. If it’s broken I’d imagine 4-6 weeks like Jorts. Hope hope hope. Just when this team was about to get healthy

  222. Can we please please catch a break on the injuries? Can not afford to lose Tyson.

    BTW a couple of the rebounds he and JJ had in traffic in the 4th quarter were just monstrous.

  223. I can’t imagine it is broken….of course you never know, but if the x-rays are on his wrist, the guy made 4-4 FT’s today, including going 2 for 2 each time after the 2 falls he suffered when he braced himself with the wrist(s).

  224. Howzabout they just rename the team to the New York LINKS. That should do it.

    I was stupidly STUPIDLY expecting him to “come down to earth today”. That was just fucked up. They doubled him, had Marion the monster tatooed to him half the time and he delivered like a veteran all star with years of big game experience. And he played good D.

    All my decendents will be named Jeremy Lin regardless of sex.

  225. Brian Cronin: That was totally bizarre, especially when that is pretty much Jeffries’ entire reason for being on the team – to play guys like Dirk.

    I think it’s about throwing different looks at a star, just as the Mavs threw a lot of looks at Lin.
    In baseball, you go side to side, up and down, change speeds, to throw off great hitters. Being able to throw different style and size defenders at Dirk is just smart basketball.

  226. rururuland2: But you have to really weight the benefits of what are essentially derivative strengths (given the similar overal value and overlapping attributes) vs. creating cohesion that will provide dividends in the playoffs.

    Yes, there are certain situations where you’d prefer one over the other, but you may end getting the least out of both of them without providing one of them to get rythym that comes from consistent and set role.

    The only guys, to me, who it doesn’t matter if they get consistent minutes every game are JJ and perhaps Shump — devoid of any real rythym in the half-court offense regardless.

    Want to maximize the energy of both.

    what you’re saying makes more sense in a regular NBA year, a bit less with the super crammed schedule. if we have eleven guys deserving of minutes (as we should with everyone back), this may be the year to go that way.

  227. Frank O.: I think it’s about throwing different looks at a star, just as the Mavs threw a lot of looks at Lin.
    In baseball, you go side to side, up and down, change speeds, to throw off great hitters. Being able to throw different style and size defenders at Dirk is just smart basketball.

    not one as small as Shumpert, that is just asking for exactly what happened. and if you are forced into it, do it mid-game, not at the start where Dirk can get right into a groove.

  228. Lin’s defense was quite impressive, he had a number of deflections, huge steals, also a block off Marion (if I remember). Then also took the jump ball away from Marion, he also added a charge somewhere in there.

    AHHH LINSANITTYYYYYYYY! Melo comes back and ruins Lin’s homecoming breakthrough game next.

  229. jon abbey: what you’re saying makes more sense in a regular NBA year, a bit less with the super crammed schedule. if we have eleven guys deserving of minutes (as we should with everyone back), this may be the year to go that way.

    Yeah, and we used to be concerned we didn’t have enough depth. And folks on this site were complaining – forever complaining, god love them – that Mike D., had too short a bench in seasons past.

  230. Sean Deveney @SeanDeveney

    #Kincks’ Tyson Chandler said he was feeling his worst Sun. Hard fall on tailbone and wrist. Had X-rays, but he expects they’ll be negative.

  231. Uggh, so is he going to miss any time if the x rays are negative? I mean is he injured like that?

  232. jon abbey: what you’re saying makes more sense in a regular NBA year, a bit less with the super crammed schedule. if we have eleven guys deserving of minutes (as we should with everyone back), this may be the year to go that way.

    I hear you

  233. Spree8nyk8:
    Uggh, so is he going to miss any time if the x rays are negative?I mean is he injured like that?

    I think it’s better if x-rays are negative

  234. Thea are 2 strong arguement IMO for giving more guys significant mpg: 1) balance the O and D; and 2) helping enforce shooting discipline. While Smith and Davis both can play great, not just good, D IMO, they often don’t. Just as they can both be great, not just good facilitators, but often aren’t. Shump doesn’t take posessions off and sems like Chandler’s key partner in shutting down lanes giving weak side help, recovering when someone doesn’t fight over a screen etc. Without that, they’re toast against the elite teams. Melo has played better D most the time than I thought he would though he still gets lazy sometimes. Giving more minute to more guys keeps everyone fresher and hungrier to prove they should stay on the court solong as they know they’re earning minutes by effort on D and shot discipline.

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  236. Wow what an amazing game! That was a statement game
    And probably Lin’s best as a Knick thus far.

    I ended up watching the game at Spa Castle in Queens and the place was going nuts. Lin is the real deal – just an awesome story. Huge for NY basketball.

    We suddenly have such a great blend of guys: Novak, Jeffries, Shump and now JR give us so many dimensions now. A nice mix of vets and youth too. We are gonna be a tough out in the playoffs.

    Let’s just enjoy the rest of the ride. Go Knicks!

  237. I’m posting from a phone but can someone please post last hours story from S.I. that features Kenyon Martin talking about Melo and Karl.

    It’s important Knicks fans read that. Secondly, there’s a lot of stuff Carmelo has kept quite about the Denver organization that he will one day talk about it. Martin refers to some of the issues on the story.

    I”ll post it later if sone1 else doesn’t.

  238. ruruland: I’m posting from a phone but can someone please post last hours story from S.I. that features Kenyon Martin talking about Melo and Karl.It’s important Knicks fans read that. Secondly, there’s a lot of stuff Carmelo has kept quite about the Denver organization that he will one day talk about it. Martin refers to some of the issues on the story. I”ll post it later if sone1 else doesn’t.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/sam_amick/02/19/kenyon.martin/index.html

  239. ruruland:
    I’m posting from a phone but can someone please post last hours story from S.I. that features Kenyon Martin talking about Melo and Karl.

    It’s important Knicks fans read that. Secondly, there’s a lot of stuff Carmelo has kept quite about the Denver organization that he will one day talk about it. Martin refers to some of the issues on the story.

    I”ll post it later if sone1 else doesn’t.

    nice, hadn’t seen this:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/sam_amick/02/19/kenyon.martin/

  240. ruruland:
    I’m posting from a phone but can someone please post last hours story from S.I. that features Kenyon Martin talking about Melo and Karl.

    It’s important Knicks fans read that. Secondly, there’s a lot of stuff Carmelo has kept quite about the Denver organization that he will one day talk about it. Martin refers to some of the issues on the story.

    I”ll post it later if sone1 else doesn’t.

    Yeah, post it.

  241. I don’t really have anything to say, but I wanted to be the 500th poster.

    How about: “Don’t stop, believLIN. Hold on to that feeLIN”!

  242. Thanks, guys.

    Melo doesn’t get credit for being the bigger man and not airing out his grievances with the Nuggets organization, as opposed to GK.

    Look, I’m a big Karl fan, but understand he’s doesn’t have personality/philosophy to deal with star players. (Ray Allen still won’t speak with him to this day.)

    Karl was the one behind the (awful) Ray Allen trade, citing the exact same issues he had with Melo (inconsistent defensive effort).

    http://www.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/41293962.html

    Did you know Karl fueded with Paul Pierce on Team USA as well?

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