2012 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Jazz

First and foremost, let’s all share in a moment of reflection in sending our deepest condolences and sympathies to Amar’e Stoudemire, whose older brother was tragically killed early this morning in a car accident. Needless to say, Amar’e flew immediately down to his native Florida to be with family, and thus will not suit up for tonight’s contest.

Jared Jeffries will get the nod in place of Stat. Meanwhile, on the heels of his rousing 25 point, seven assist performance on Saturday, Jeremy Lin will make his much-anticipated first career start tonight against the Jazz. Circumstances being what they are, Lin’s spotlight-hewn night certainly won’t hold the same level of excitement that it might have. The most we can — and should — hope for now is a solid performance capable of lending a sliver of a silver lining to an otherwise tragic day.

Let’s win this one for Amar’e, and the entire Stoudemire family.

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363 thoughts to “2012 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Jazz”

  1. Nice words Jim, maybe in honor of Amare and his family Melo can go out and have a monster game, we’re surely going to need it.

  2. R.I.P. Hazell Stoudemire

    Being stuck in Time Warner land, I would really appreciate if someone could share a link for working web stream of the game for me. Both of my reliable sources (first row sports and atdhenet.tv) have recently been seized by the Feds. Now I have no options to watch the game.

  3. I think I’m just going to leave it to fellow Knickerbloggers to update us on the game. I’m not certain if the NBATV channel will show certain parts of the game through the night. I’ll keep you guys posted if Knicks vs Jazz footage shows up.

  4. So the Knicks inquired about Jonny Flynn and offered Houston Balkman and Bibby. Lol. Man I love Grunwald.

  5. Amen. Nobody wants to experience death..and I imagine no one here wants anyone “knick affiliated”, be it fans staff or player, to feel the pain Stat must be feeling. To be where he is in life, he’s already overcome so much. And to be at a place where he can truly take care of his family..it’s gotta be heartbreaking to lose a family member in that fashion. God bless you and your family Mr Stoudemire.
    Now on to the task at hand. Too bad Jorts is hurt. We’ll hafta go small tonite. Melo may hafta be a small ball 4 against an insanely huge frontline. Yikes! And Melo can have all the shots he wants..plus ALOT more defensive attention. Double Yikes! Sounds cliche, but the biggest key tonite will be ball movement. Fields, Walker, _____, and Chandler should get extra touches..but niether of them are great at getting their own shot. Out of the 3 guys that can (Melo, Shump, and Jet Lin), the only one I trust is Melo..so ball movement and open shots are paramount tonite.

  6. critgeog:
    R.I.P. Hazell Stoudemire

    Being stuck in Time Warner land, I would really appreciate if someone could share a link for working web stream of the game for me.Both of my reliable sources (first row sports and atdhenet.tv) have recently been seized by the Feds. Now I have no options to watch the game.

    im trying kora tv but there is no stream yet might vome later

  7. Tony Pena:
    So the Knicks inquired about Jonny Flynn and offered Houston Balkman and Bibby. Lol. Man I love Grunwald.

    i am really worried about dolan and grunwald they are both so ignorant……… if i was them i would go hard to either get flynn or sessions without trying to gut the bench…….. definatly try to trade walker a good asset and much more attractive at this point than anybody on our bench, other than the one piece we wont trade iman shumpert

  8. Really sad about Amaré’s bro…

    With Amaré and Harrellson out, and Utah’s size, no way we don’t see some Jerome Jordan tonight.

  9. This was basically the unit that played really well last night, only with Shump instead of Fields. Jeffries, though, is such a terrible offensive player. But overall it is a nice mix of offense and defense.

  10. by the way i was at the game saturday night (visiting my folks in queens now, thats why i don’t have the game, they still don’t have cable.) It was playoff intensity fun in the 4th quarter. Just an amazing experience. I know others have probably already stated that here. But the crowd was just awesome.

  11. ok guys we look good great on d lin looks great jeffries took two charges and poor t chandler missed an awesome alley oops from lin. we are playing great team d we have i think three steals we look bz out there try kora tv guys last time i say it

  12. Gotta give some props to JJ, he’s inept on offense, but man, that guy brings it on the defensive end.

  13. Landry Fields looks so much quicker tonight.

    I thought Fields and Melo were the ones who looked the most winded on Saturday. Now that they’re rested, I expect good things from them both, especially now that they’ve really started to “click” together.

  14. Brian Cronin:
    Jeffries, though, is such a terrible offensive player. But overall it is a nice mix of offense and defense.

    The man was born with skillets for hands. What’s a brother s’pozda do?

  15. Nice drive by Lin. OMG what a fast break Jefferies pokes the ball, Fields picks it up and is off to the races before dishing to Lin for the layup.

  16. LMNYKFAN4LIFE: i am really worried about dolan and grunwald they are both so ignorant……… if i was them i would go hard to either get flynn or sessions without trying to gut the bench…….. definatly try to trade walker a good asset and much more attractive at this point than anybody on our bench, other than the one piece we wont trade iman shumpert

    I think it’s great, past management and Dolan would give Houston anything they’d ask for. Start low and meet at the middle.

  17. I take back my praise of JJ, for every great defensive play he makes up for it with a horrendous non-finish on offense

  18. By the way did anyone else catch Earl Watson being announced and have flashbacks to the original “scrub that has a career game.”

  19. Brian Cronin:
    What a pass from Melo! Please don’t be hurt, Melo. Crap, he is hurt. A strained groin? That is not good news.

    They just said Melo won’t return.

  20. well, at least i was happy for a few days after the great game from lin on saturday night. Now without STAT and Melo the free fall will continue. This team might be too far out to even make a push for the 8th spot. It’s going to be a long year. This was an easier stretch coming up. As a knick fan it just feels like we can never get a break.

  21. they needed balkman with lin in the game there would have been some great offense between them i say lin shumo fields balkman jordan when the rest are in foul trouble since our big three are out rite now

  22. llcoolbp:
    well, at least i was happy for a few days after the great game from lin on saturday night. Now without STAT and Melo the free fall will continue. This team might be too far out to even make a push for the 8th spot. It’s going to be a long year. This was an easier stretch coming up. As a knick fan it just feels like we can never get a break.

    totaly agree

  23. wow this is ruff but i think if they play some good solid d we could beat them today oh and we need to do one more thing bench ______!!!!!!!

  24. no knoblach was more like jared jeffries he use to get hit by pitches and get on base

  25. llcoolbp:
    douglas is such a piece of garbage. Lin, shump should see all the minutes at point. No reason for douglas to play.

    I’d rather see Bibby, he’s terrible but he can’t be dumber than TD.

  26. Jake S.:
    Is Toney Douglas for real? Are we sure he’s not shaving points or something?

    Oh no. I just realized. “_______” is actually a pseudonym for “Tony” the kid caught shaving points in the movie “Blue Chips”!

    On a serious note, the Knicks are w/o Stat, Melo, Baron and Jorts. In theory, they have no chance. Which is exactly why I’m oddly confident they’ll win

  27. Lin and Amar’e will be a force to be reckoned with on the pick and roll. Lin and Chandler are pretty damn good right now and the pick and roll isn’t even Chandler’s forte.

  28. damn and lin and chandler were connecting that was a bad call the ofensive player hooked him smh

  29. Ouch, 3 fouls for Chandler.. now that’s rough.. wonder if Jeffries could save the day and emulate the Lin-Chandler moves. Hope am not asking too much on this one though.

  30. Z: And now no Chandler for the rest of the half (10 minutes).

    Even better. Conventional Wisdom says they’ll get killed. Of course, “Conventional Wisdom” is the biggest oxymoron this side of “Jumbo Shrimp.”

  31. And 1 for Lin.. hope he could carry this team for the win with the absence of Melo and Amare.

  32. Lin seems to be both fast and slow. It’s obvious he’s got speed, but he seems to make such thoughtful decisions with his passing and drives that it seems kind of slow..

  33. Z:
    How are the Jazz 4 games over .500?

    The Jazz have horrible guards and cant shoot from the perimeter. The Knicks D cant cover the perimeter well but has become pretty good at defending the paint. Its a perfect matchup for the Knicks defensively thankfully lol

  34. Not to sound like cock jowels but people laughed at me when I said Lin shold get minutes over TD when they first signed him. Dantoni is such a retard for not playing this kid.

  35. Z:
    How are the Jazz 4 games over .500?

    It’s hard to say. They don’t look good on paper. Josh Howard and Devin Harris started hot, I think, but now they suck again. They started out 9-4. Since then, 4-5.

  36. Mulligan:
    Lin seems to be both fast and slow. It’s obvious he’s got speed, but he seems to make such thoughtful decisions with his passing and drives that it seems kind of slow..

    People used to say the same thing about Chris Mullen. He wasn’t fast, but he was always changing speeds which made him more effective than “fast” players. (kind of like Greg Maddux, I guess).

  37. wow who woulda expected it the knicks with a double digit lead with no melo and amare and t chandler riding alotta time on the bench

  38. wow lin is the man he could of passed it to shumpert for three but was patient and passed it to novak for the automatic 3 that’s a good point guard. i guess he is from Harvard and Chinese. very intelligent player, wow making great decisions and finds his way to the rim and actually get the bucket and the fouls wow

  39. Lin, Novak, Jeffries, Walker, and Shumpert. On paper, the worst lineup the Knicks have ever put out there…

    But the game ain’t played on paper, baby!

  40. BigBlueAL: The Jazz have horrible guards and cant shoot from the perimeter.The Knicks D cant cover the perimeter well but has become pretty good at defending the paint.Its a perfect matchup for the Knicks defensively thankfully lol

    Great point, the guard I fear the most is Earl Watson, expecting him to burn us like his brother CJ did the other night.

  41. Nice to see a team with worse guards than the Knicks.

    On a side note this is really fun to watch!! Dont wanna make a habit of watching this team w/o Stat and Melo but for tonight at least it should be enjoyable to watch.

  42. Best stat for Lin so far is that he has 0 turn overs.. and his assist should have been 8 already now had Jeffries and Chandler missed those close lay-ups.

  43. wow 51 38 no amre chandler on the bench and melo out since the middle of the 1st now thats lin for you yes bby

  44. Z:
    “Lin to Novak” is the new “Stockton to Malone”

    More like “Stockton to Hornacek”

  45. As long as Lin keeps finding Novak open on the corner after driving then the Knicks will be all good. Hopefully, the Jazz don’t figure this one out during half time.

  46. Holy …. Lin drives looks like he will lose is and instead finds Novak in the corner. 9 pts 7 ast 0 TO. Wow!!!

  47. Best stat for Lin so far is that he has 0 turn overs.

    Totally agreed. He takes care of the ball. If only he could shoot better. The good thing is that he shot better during college and that skill typically does not go away.

  48. 9 points 7 assists 2 steals 0 turnovers and he should have had 4 more assists but they were blown by jeffries and chandler smh what a game hes gonna esily end up with a double double

  49. Just goes to show how dependent D’Antoni’s system is on having a PG who makes good decisions. With a decent PG from the beginning of the season we would have been great.

  50. If Lin plays Rondo-like, meaning penetrate, assists, and tough D, dominating and moving the ball, I’m happy as hell!

  51. Everyone, I think the Knicks have found a PG!!! Who would have thought? Lin is awesome tonight and with the supporting cast he has tonight it proves the adage that the NBA is a guard dominated league.

  52. Lin is turning this season into a morality play in which our Knicks, weighed down by star-player hubris, can only reach their true potential by being led by a humble, undrafted and unproven d-leaguer.

  53. LMNYKFAN4LIFE:
    9 points 7 assists 2 steals 0 turnovers and he should have had 4 more assists but they were blown by jeffries and chandler smh what a game hes gonna esily end up with a double double

    And all I keep seeing is people criticizing Lin’s shot. It’s funny. I know people are doing critical analysis. It just looks weird.
    It’s like Amare goes 10 for 15 and grabs 9 boards, an some will note that he had four TOs.

  54. Droidz1979:
    Ouch, 3 fouls for Chandler.. now that’s rough.. wonder if Jeffries could save the day and emulate the Lin-Chandler moves. Hope am not asking too much on this one though.

    wow droid i was thinking the same thing but then lin amazed me and started finding other options lik,e noavk this kid can ball. he just finds ways to make plays. im sorry but get rid of davis and td bet flynn or sessions and maybe a second rounder and we will be great. i must say he is not a fluke

  55. If he was on the opposing team, this board would be filled with “Jeremy *@(*&@$ Lin, are you &#&% kidding me????”

  56. Notice how every Knick is touching the ball, and how much more movement we are seeing. Point guard play is the biggest difference, and without as many turnovers our Defense looks better. Also so far Lin has proven to be tougher to figure out than chinese arithmetic.

  57. Mr. Lin = bottled lightning.

    For the most part, he makes great decisions with the ball. He shoots when he should shoot and passes when he should pass. I am really trying to temper my expectations but he is making it extremely difficult.

    Quick, tell me what he needs to improve before I fall in love.

  58. during an NBA half time that featured the Clips and Magic game, the announcer was gushing about the quickness of CP3 to change speed and wondered if any could top it in the NBA, good thing his partner answered JEREMY LIN? Money answer there i say…

  59. Btw, the offense is flowing off the D. Knicks have great hands, double teams are really messing with the Jazz on the blocks and they seem baffled. Meanwhile, Lin’s defense, a question for Mike D., has been tough.
    And Mike D. Has essentially handed the team to Lin who played 21 of 24 minutes. Lin is essentially putting up a similar game to last game, only more assists can be expected. Rare to see something like this.
    Last point, without Amare and Melo out there we are seeing Mike’s offense and Woodson’s D being run beautifully.

  60. Degree_Absolute:
    Mr. Lin = bottled lightning.

    For the most part, he makes great decisions with the ball.He shoots when he should shoot and passes when he should pass.I am really trying to temper my expectations but he is making it extremely difficult.

    Quick, tell me what he needs to improve before I fall in love.

    His shot needs work :)

  61. Degree_Absolute:
    Mr. Lin = bottled lightning.

    Quick, tell me what he needs to improve before I fall in love.

    Well, he hasn’t made it to the all-star yet so yes there may be some room for improvement down there.

  62. Frank O.:
    Btw, the offense is flowing off the D. Knicks have great hands, double teams are really messing with the Jazz on the blocks and they seem baffled. Meanwhile, Lin’s defense, a question for Mike D., has been tough.
    And Mike D. Has essentially handed the team to Lin who played 21 of 24 minutes. Lin is essentially putting up a similar game to last game, only more assists can be expected. Rare to see something like this.
    Last point, without Amare and Melo out there we are seeing Mike’s offense and Woodson’s D being run beautifully.

    Great point, but what does that say about Melo and Amare or more so D’antoni?

  63. Degree_Absolute:
    Mr. Lin = bottled lightning.

    For the most part, he makes great decisions with the ball.He shoots when he should shoot and passes when he should pass.I am really trying to temper my expectations but he is making it extremely difficult.

    Quick, tell me what he needs to improve before I fall in love.

    he needs to improve his outside shots there i hope you feel better lol

  64. The Giants win the Super Bowl and the Knicks find hope at the PG position. Just a great weekend for NY sports.

    I don’t know what I am feeling right now. Mets/Knicks fandom has stunted my emotional growth.

  65. Any word on the severity of Melo’s injury? I’m just checking in here.
    Also, when is Stat expected back?

  66. Totally sucks about Hazell. RIP, and prayers to the Stoudemire family.

    But…

    did anyone else notice that coming into this game Lin’s PER is now at 26.79?

  67. ess-dog:
    Any word on the severity of Melo’s injury?I’m just checking in here.
    Also, when is Stat expected back?

    No timetable on STAT but Hahn’s saying it’s a strained groin for ‘Melo…which means he ain’t comin back tonight…

  68. llcoolbp:
    Lin’s 2 flaws,

    1)inconsistent J

    2)weak left dribble

    The dribble is being exposed in the second half.

    He also seems to have a little trouble when he’s pressed.

  69. Refs are killing the Knicks. Haywood pushes off on Fields no call but JJ barely bumps his man and they whistle him

  70. omg XXX got owned. Site has been seized by the Feds (shakes fist in the air). What am I going to do?

  71. Jefferies is so ungainly on offense, but subtly effective on defense. If only charges drawn were a Stat.

  72. damn lin is a b-ball genius. i cant wait till he gets a better shot and can use his left hell be unstoppable all-star material if he ever makes those adjustments to his game wow

  73. Nick C.:
    Jefferies is so ungainly on offense, but subtly effective on defense. If only charges drawn were a Stat.

    Lots of teams keep that number

  74. Jeremy Lin “needs to shoot better” knocks down a J. “They are trying to keep him from going right” goes left and makes the lefty layup. So much to like.

  75. If Amar’e was in the place of Jeffries right now, he would have 25 points already.

  76. D’Antoni is going to ride Lin into the ground! Now that he’s found a pg he won’t let him go!

  77. Can’t they play zone to the Jazz, that team can’t shoot.. they’re eating the Knicks inside

  78. Ok. I don’t want to hear another guy bust on Jeffries, or else we’re stepping outside…;)

  79. wow hes playing with confidence and foue count em four charges equals fgreat game for jarred jefrries

  80. Seriously. If NY fans are as intelligent as people always say we are, the folks at MSG will start giving Jeffries more love. His impact is huge.

  81. Games like this surely dispel the myth that teams need a high-volume scorer to score points elsewhere. Don’t they?

  82. Mulligan:
    Seriously. If NY fans are as intelligent as people always say we are, the folks at MSG will start giving Jeffries more love. His impact is huge.

    lol, you mean like that is a HUGE gherkin pickle, not like that is a HUGE aircraft carrier, right?

  83. I’d play Chandler the entire fourth quarter.

    The fact that they are up with this lineup is amazing. Bring in Chandler to bring it home (and Chandler, please no more dumb fouls).

  84. David Crockett: Marketing at the Moore School

    I’m a journalism major so I’m barely ever there, but it’s pretty cool to see another person from Cola on here.

  85. The Honorable Cock Jowles:
    Games like this surely dispel the myth that teams need a high-volume scorer to score points elsewhere. Don’t they?

    Well wait till we lose the game by 1 point and didnt get a got shot off at the end of the game. Then if only we had that go-to guy….

  86. wow i feel like im watching the Superbowl in this game so vexed. its like the last 4 minutes in the Superbowl,………. will they, will they not bite my nails, spit it out, scream at the bad call, think will they pull it off. wow what a game

  87. I am really pleased with the effort of the bench tonight. Tired, overmatched, but game. No, hopefully a full period from chandler

  88. It seems like Shumpert could easily beat his man off the dribble way more than he does, he just never tries to do it. If he focused on driving he would be a great offensive weapon.

  89. I think Landry has been playing better lately FWIW

    Definitely. Just tonight, I’m disappointed in him.

    EDITED TO ADD: After I complained about him, he then showed a lot more aggression. Just what I want to see from him – he should be taking on a leadership role with the guys out there on the court now.

  90. Jazz are pretty bad without Al Jefferson. Hopefully we can get the lead up to 8 or so before Al returns.

  91. Even Lin seems to be trying to do a little too much today, but it’s probably because he is our biggest offensive threat on the floor for us tonight.

  92. There is something to be said about cheering the young guys. It feels less mercenary and more college-y.

  93. wow they are playing great, with some great ball movement but they are hitting there shots and coach MDA is actually making the right subs. this is like the twilight zone im waiting for the theme music to come up

  94. Lin looks gassed, hope he could keep up the energy til the end. Love the MVP chant from the garden.

  95. D’Antoni would rather have a severely winded Lin in the game than TD. My how far he’s fallen.

  96. I can’t believe there is one Knick right now that doesn’t think Lin should be starting PG.

  97. Brian Cronin:
    What a dumb decision by Shump.

    Seriously. Last time shump drove he got fouled. When he went to the line, Lin said something to him like he had that all day, and Shump looked annoyed. Did anyone else read it that way?

  98. Z:
    Lin does have an Amar’e-like 7 turnovers this half…

    He is SO tired. You can see it in the way that he’s moving. I think those turnovers are mostly from him being so exhausted.

  99. they need to give lin a rest he looks like hes gonna fall out. shump, fields, walker, jeffries and chandler would be my decision. i dont put novak in cause shump wont utilize him weel and we need the added d

  100. Z:
    Lin does have an Amar’e-like 7 turnovers this half…

    The Jazz spent the entire half figuring out Lin’s game. Nonetheless, the dude is still making plays for the Knicks.

  101. Lin looks GASSED. It’s going to take a few weeks to get adjusted to playing 35 minutes per game.

  102. I literally don’t believe what I’ve seen the past two days. My entire belief system is crumbling.

  103. Am having a hard time who to waive from my guards on basketball league to make way for Lin, would it be Conley, Rubio or Irving?

  104. Jeffries trying to fake a drive, guess the Jazz are not buying on that. Good hustle from him though to nab the offensive board.

  105. Am having a hard time who to waive from my guards on basketball league to make way for Lin, would it be Conley, Rubio or Irving?

    Wow. I dunno if I’d dump any of those guys for Lin. Conley, I guess.

  106. Shump from three, wide open, but I’ll-advised. He needs to keep driving. He’s so strong, he would be on the line all night.

  107. Good call to keep chandler in. Jeffries might be able to help

    Agreed. The Chandler/Jeffries combo is a defensive dream. It allows the Knicks to basically play three offensive players at the 1-3 (Lin, Fields and Melo, for instance). And when it is Shump in there instead of Fields, it is a really nice mix of offense/defense with Shump/Jeffries being the defensive guys, Lin/Melo being the offensive guys and Chandler being great at everything.

  108. hope Melo and STAT take some lessons from this one.
    being a team is as important.

    and then i cannot be any happier for Lin! underdogs forever!

  109. We know they don’t teach you not to pass the ball to Jeffries at Syracuse, but I was sure they had a class in it at Harvard.

  110. They should show “charges drawn” on the box score. They’re nearly as valuable as steals, and Jeffries is just doin’ thangs tonight!

  111. Z:
    Why is Lin’s tongue blue? (PED’s??)

    Probably a chewable full of fast-acting sugar. I’ve seen the trainers pass them out during timeouts in the past.

  112. man I’m screaming at the laptop every time Lin does something nice

    he and Jeffries have been incredible tonight, Jeffries and Chandler are absolutely outplaying Millsap and Jefferson lol

  113. Z:
    Why is Lin’s tongue blue? (PED’s??)

    I think he was actually eating a jet pop between the third and fourth quarters.

  114. The Honorable Cock Jowles:
    They should show “charges drawn” on the box score. They’re nearly as valuable as steals, and Jeffries is just doin’ thangs tonight!

    Agreed. If steals and blocks go in the box score so should this.

  115. lol at Trey Kirby on twitter: “Congratulations to Jeremy Lin for winning the 2005 and 2006 MVPs”

  116. wow i just got goose bumps lin is the man he helped carry this team with its three best players out for most if not all the game. wow

  117. Ok, the 8 turnovers concerns me, but he’s still young and learning. He’ll improve. Great game otherwise, too bad about STAT n’ Melo.

  118. The best part is that he’s 6’3″ and not 5’10”. Prototypical PG height. Not a “change of pace” guard, but a “starter on a playoff team” height.

  119. Loathing:
    Ok, the 8 turnovers concerns me, but he’s still young and learning. He’ll improve. Great game otherwise, too bad about STAT n’ Melo.

    Turnovers are really important, but shooting efficiency is much more important. If he averages 1.5 PPS, he can turn the ball over 8 times a game and still be an awesome PG.

  120. 8 is too much, true, but when you have such a high usage and play a lot of minutes (which he certainly did tonight), turnovers are not as much of an issue. Nash, for instance, often turns the ball over because he has the ball constantly. 8, though, obviously is too much. But I mean I wouldn’t be worried with 5 (although I’d obviously prefer less).

  121. Loathing:
    Ok, the 8 turnovers concerns me, but he’s still young and learning. He’ll improve. Great game otherwise, too bad about STAT n’ Melo.

    See what I mean? 28 points, nine assists, two boards, offensive flow. But someone notes the turnovers. The guy had to ball in his hands for probably 35 minutes.

  122. Loathing:
    Ok, the 8 turnovers concerns me, but he’s still young and learning. He’ll improve. Great game otherwise, too bad about STAT n’ Melo.

    man, he had to carry the ball 100% of the time on a game he played almost all 48 minutes, and it’s his first career start…

    let’s hope Melo watched this game closely and saw how any team can be succesful moving the ball and playing defense.

  123. I gotta represent for JJ, as tremendous as Lin was, the Knicks don’t win this game without his tremendous D (and I’m still loving Tyson night after night)

  124. Loathing:
    Ok, the 8 turnovers concerns me, but he’s still young and learning. He’ll improve. Great game otherwise, too bad about STAT n’ Melo.

    doesnt bother me when the turnovers were cause people didnt expect the ball or was just a little off they were well intentioned or they just lost sight of what the kid can do.

  125. Yeah, I chalk up half of those turnovers to fatigue.

    So much good stuff on Twitter about Lin! “The Jeremy Lin event is similar to falling in love at summer camp.”

  126. d-mar:
    I gotta represent for JJ, as tremendous as Lin was, the Knicks don’t win this game without his tremendous D (and I’m still loving Tyson night after night)

    True, true dat

  127. he coughed the ball up way too much during the game. But let’s keep his TOs in perspective. They all came during the second half, primarily in the third quarter. Fields was nonexistent and Chandler was in foul trouble. Besides having Novak on the court, his best option was Jared Jeffries…. Let that sink in, Jeffries.

    Honestly, I like Lin a lot, but he was given 44 minutes. We still would’ve won if Shumpert spelled him for maybe 5-8 minutes. Fortunately, we can mask our PG problem by not forcing Lin to carry the ball when we have our other two max contracts return

  128. wow he played 45 outta 48 minutes he only rested 3 minutes and look no cramps. smh no pun intended with shump. hes a physical specimen. he knows how to fall and not get hurt. he reminded me of Alen Iverson after driving to the basket; always on his butt.

  129. Portland will lose tonight because they’re starting Crawford and he will try to duel Westbrook and kill his team’s flow

  130. I think the whole “this shows that you don’t need stars” thing is a bit overblown. If Melo played tonight, the game likely would have been a blowout. Possibly the same with STAT. What I think it does show is that the Knick stars should play within D’Antoni’s system, but even that is a bit weak as a critique since Melo clearly was doing that tonight before he got hurt.

  131. You can say whatever you want about D’Antoni but the team is still playing their asses off for him. Certainly have not tuned him out.

    Of course I know many are criticizing him for not playing Lin earlier but with his job possibly on the line he went to Lin and basically put his job in his hands. Not an easy thing for a veteran coach to do but he did it. Like Brian and I talked about the other days many NBA coaches are stubborn as hell (for a good reason I believe) but instead of criticizing him for taking so long to go to Lin I give him credit for going to him when he did.

  132. Is this the best Knicks regular season game ever? I really can’t think of anything that compares.

  133. In defense of Lin’s turnovers, he was asked to carry an offense consisting of Jared Jeffrieds, Chandler, Novak, Walker…not exactly the finest squad in the league. And he was ridden pretty hard… has Toney Douglas finally played himself out of the rotation?

    I love how this is bringing all of us together. This Cock Jowles guy is even celebrating our team’s success with all the other fans!

  134. Maybe the blowout against the 96 Bulls, but really this is just so many levels — Amare’s brother, Melo’s injury, and then Linsanity….I almost get choked up just typing it all

  135. Not sure about his shot yet, but would love for him to work in that 3 off the screen like Felton did a million times last year. Just because that was totally sweet.

    Also, Lin ain’t getting double teamed when Stat or Melo is on the floor. One of those dudes + Lin + Chandler + Novak or Bill Walker is all we need. Throw in Jeffries or Landry to do all the little things and you’re cooking with sauce.

  136. Also how about Melo going back out to the court in street clothes to celebrate with the team when the game was over. Alot of people here have called him stupid and selfish but Ive never read anything about Melo being a bad teammate throughout his entire career. Melo has his flaws on the court certainly but he genuinely seems like a good guy but he doesnt get that benefit of the doubt like Amar’e gets in that regard.

  137. Yeah, no way they can continue to win without their horses. But Chandler was a huge impact on the fourth. Fresh legs on D.
    The Knicks clearly were exhausted in the third, but they gutted out a great win.
    If it were amare instead of Jeffries, you don’t get the D, but probably 28 points, and 10 dunks.

  138. Frank O.: True, true dat

    i agree five charges, 13 points, 8 rebounds (4 of them offensive), 2 steals, 1 block, and only 1 turnover. who wouldn’t want that on there team. he might have been only 30 percent from the line but he made people foul him 5v times plus 5 charges, that’s indispensable. he could have fouled out two players on that team. think about that

  139. I see the board and Walt Frazier have used tonight’s game as a critique of Melo and Amar’e when it’s really about having significantly (really beyond words) improved point guard play.

  140. Mulligan:
    Not sure about his shot yet, but would love for him to work in that 3 off the screen like Felton did a million times last year. Just because that was totally sweet.

    Also, Lin ain’t getting double teamed when Stat or Melo is on the floor. One of those dudes + Lin + Chandler + Novak or Bill Walker is all we need. Throw in Jeffries or Landry to do all the little things and you’re cooking with sauce.

    Good point on the doubles. They were trying traps and doubles on penetration, which in the second with no scorers forced some TOs.

  141. Great PG play covers up a lot of issues. The Suns are 10-14 with Nash and a bunch of borderline scrubs. It just opens things up for everyone else.

  142. Brian Cronin:
    I think the whole “this shows that you don’t need stars” thing is a bit overblown. If Melo played tonight, the game likely would have been a blowout. Possibly the same with STAT. What I think it does show is that the Knick stars should play within D’Antoni’s system, but even that is a bit weak as a critique since Melo clearly was doing that tonight before he got hurt.

    This. It kind of sucks that this Lin stuff will inevitably be spun against Melo and STAT, when the reality is that IF Lin is actually this good, we have a potentially awesome offense when those two get back.

  143. ruruland:
    I see the board and Walt Frazier have used tonight’s game as a critique of Melo and Amar’e when it’s really about having significantly (really beyond words) improved point guard play.

    Clyde is right, tho. The Knicks O stagnates when amare and Melo pound the wood. If they let the ball find them, they will score huge.

  144. Also, Ricky Rubio has a really weak left hand dribble, but he has that same sort of first step hesitation drive to that side to counter it.

    Oddly enough I see a lot of similarities between Rubio and Lin. Obviously Lin isn’t as gifted as a passer, but they seem to control the game in a similar way and score in a similar way.

  145. Frank O.: Good point on the doubles. They were trying traps and doubles on penetration, which in the second with no scorers forced some TOs.

    I mean the third

  146. BigBlueAL:
    You can say whatever you want about D’Antoni but the team is still playing their asses off for him.Certainly have not tuned him out.

    Of course I know many are criticizing him for not playing Lin earlier but with his job possibly on the line he went to Lin and basically put his job in his hands.Not an easy thing for a veteran coach to do but he did it.Like Brian and I talked about the other days many NBA coaches are stubborn as hell (for a good reason I believe) but instead of criticizing him for taking so long to go to Lin I give him credit for going to him when he did.

    i agree and if you would have brought him up sooner without that triple double in the d league for that confidence he has now. not knowing MDA’s system and not playing with the first squad he would have looked like he did when he first played with us. you remember what everybody was writing about him ” why is he attacking the rim so much when he misses his layups, he cant shoot, why doesn’t he pas it more, Balkman was open and he took it up smh. you guys are funny

  147. Apparently D’Antoni right now is going off in his press conference defending Jeffries from the crowd boos. Wont be able to see it until MSG.com posts it later tonight.

  148. melo coming out in street clothes showed a lot about his character. I also hope it means that his strain is not that bad. I like that he was in regular “street clothes”. Kind of an F-you to dictator stern. I’ve always thought the entire “dress code” thing has gone way too far and is just code for racism.

  149. Frank O.: Clyde is right, tho. The Knicks O stagnates when amare and Melo pound the wood. If they let the ball find them, they will score huge.

    the two things are inclusive of another.

    Lin is going to allow Amar’e to go back to his score on the move game.

    Melo can get back to his ultra-versatility offense. Sometimes on the weakside attacking or shooting. Sometimes creating with the ball with better spacing with a pnr. Sometimes posting up and isolating.

    The dominoe effect of having a competent point guard, let alone what looks like a good one, will allow those guys to return to being great offensive players.

  150. This. It kind of sucks that this Lin stuff will inevitably be spun against Melo and STAT, when the reality is that IF Lin is actually this good, we have a potentially awesome offense when those two get back.

    It’d be one thing if Amar’e and Melo weren’t willing to play the system, but we know Amar’e loves the system and Melo has definitely shown a willingness (including tonight’s game) of playing in the system, as well, so yeah, I agree that this game definitely should not be used as a shot at those two.

  151. d-mar: Great PG play covers up a lot of issues. The Suns are 10-14 with Nash and a bunch of borderline scrubs. It just opens things up for everyone else.

    Covers up is an odd way of putting it.

    Trust me, this team would be a lot better than 10-15 had Lin started from them in December.

  152. ruruland: the two things are inclusive of another.

    Lin is going to allow Amar’e to go back to his score on the move game.

    Melo can get back to his ultra-versatility offense. Sometimes on the weakside attacking or shooting. Sometimes creating with the ball with better spacing with a pnr. Sometimes posting up and isolating.

    The dominoe effect of having a competent point guard, let alone what looks like a good one, will allow those guys to return to being great offensive players.

    Agreed. I see what you’re saying. Cause and effect. No guard, you get hero ball. With guard, the offense flows. Check

  153. Brian Cronin: It’d be one thing if Amar’e and Melo weren’t willing to play the system, but we know Amar’e loves the system and Melo has definitely shown a willingness (including tonight’s game) of playing in the system, as well, so yeah, I agree that this game definitely should not be used as a shot at those two.

    Agreed.

  154. Yeah, bear in mind this wasn’t just a great game for Lin. It was like someone waved a magic wand that turned Novak into Nowitzki, Walker into Pierce, and Jeffries into I don’t even know what for one night only. So the idea this is a better team because they were out is nuts — they played their hearts out, caught every lucky break a team could, and finally were able to work the D’antoni system with a legit PG.

  155. Obviously great game from Lin and Jeffries. Walker had his best game in a while as well- surprisingly solid defense and no crazy turnovers. Shumpert was outstanding on defense plus had 6 assists and only one turnover- if only he could shoot!!

  156. Ideally, we would have Melo camped out on the left side of the court, masking Lin’s weak left side. We should continue do well as long as Lin help improve the knicks overall offensive efficiency

  157. Btw, they don’t win without timely shooting by Novak.
    He could be the Knicks 6’8 variant of John Paxson or Kerr. A pretty sweet stroke.
    A real team effort.

  158. Wow. That’s the best game I have seen in 15 years think.Since when do the Knicks share the ball unselfishly and play like a college team?

    Lin’s handle looks a little suspect, he doesn’t seem to have the body strength to protect the ball. Fatigue played a part but that aspect of his game looks a little vulnerable.

    But that said, I feel a full on David lee level man crush coming over me….

  159. dogrufus: This. It kind of sucks that this Lin stuff will inevitably be spun against Melo and STAT, when the reality is that IF Lin is actually this good, we have a potentially awesome offense when those two get back.

    Can’t wait to see them all on the floor at the same, clicking together.

    Remember, they scored 99 points tonight but with Novak going off.

    Not exactly setting the world on fire even if it felt that way. Moreover, because of the lack of talent on the floor, there were quite a few instances where Lin essentially dribbled the clock out or turned it over. That’s not going to happen with Melo on the floor, at least not to the tune of 8 turnovers and the numerous bad possessions.

  160. my condolences to amares brother but i wish he could have seen how the knicks played together today. i believe that would have brought a smile to his face in these trying times, especially since they won with a new starting pg melo out and chandler in foul trouble most of the game. i think they should dedicate this game to his brother.

  161. BigBlueAL:
    Apparently D’Antoni right now is going off in his press conference defending Jeffries from the crowd boos.Wont be able to see it until MSG.com posts it later tonight.

    I watched it live and D’Antoni got really emotional, basically calling fans idiots that boo Jared.

  162. Lin’s 8 turnovers were because he was being asked to do too much. When Melo and Amare are back and Lin can pick his spots more, this team will be very dangerous. Defenses will have to pick their poison.

    Take your time, Baron.

  163. BigBlueAL:
    You can say whatever you want about D’Antoni but the team is still playing their asses off for him.Certainly have not tuned him out.

    Of course I know many are criticizing him for not playing Lin earlier but with his job possibly on the line he went to Lin and basically put his job in his hands.Not an easy thing for a veteran coach to do but he did it.Like Brian and I talked about the other days many NBA coaches are stubborn as hell (for a good reason I believe) but instead of criticizing him for taking so long to go to Lin I give him credit for going to him when he did.

    1. MDA is notoriously untrustworthy of rookies or unknowns.
    2. It’s been supposedly Melo and Chandler in MDA’s ear about getting Lin some playing time.
    3. It took him almost getting fired for him to try something “as crazy” as giving an unknown a shot.
    4. When he does trust you, he rides you til the wheels fall off. Hence the stars high minutes this year, playing TD when hes playing like garbage, and even Lin today.
    Dude is just stiff with people. Probably a good basketball mind, not good with people management. And its a shame cause his system regularly has players overperform, which could lead to confidence boost, which would lead to real growth.

  164. Owen:
    Wow. That’s the best game I have seen in 15 years think.Since when do the Knicks share the ball unselfishly and play like a college team?

    Lin’s handle looks a little suspect, he doesn’t seem to have the body strength to protect the ball. Fatigue played a part but that aspect of his game looks a little vulnerable.

    But that said, I feel a full on David lee level man crush coming over me….

    Funny, Clyde was saying his drives are showing he is stronger than he looks. He lost the ball most in the third, when they collapsed on him as he drove and there were no other real scorers on the court. But he has a way of tucking the ball away like a running back and unfurling it.
    As for strength, did you see some of the hard fouls he took and still finished at the glass?

  165. Frank O.: Funny, Clyde was saying his drives are showing he is stronger than he looks. He lost the ball most in the third, when they collapsed on him as he drove and there were no other real scorers on the court. But he has a way of tucking the ball away like a running back and unfurling it.As for strength, did you see some of the hard fouls he took and still finished at the glass?

    Read all of his scouting reports and they talk about first, his surprising acceleration, and then his body control and craftiness around the bucket– yeah strength.

    Right now defenders are really playing him tight and getting burned. That will change too, and frankly I see him being even better playing with more space at the 3pt line and under.
    So much more to like though… He’s a solid defender.

  166. Seriously, so glad to enjoy this one with you guys

    Frank O.:
    Btw, the blog makes the games that much more entertaining. Thanks to all

  167. An infected elbow for Baron Davis setting his practicing back at least another week (which means his return is pushed back, what, two more weeks at least?). Yeesh.

  168. RT @Amareisreal “Even though I’m going through hard times right now. #SadDay Great job tonight team (Knicks ). Jermeny Lin that’s how we play. Ya boy SunTzu”

  169. Gamecockerbocker:
    RT @Amareisreal “Even though I’m going through hard times right now. #SadDay Great job tonight team (Knicks ). Jermeny Lin that’s how we play. Ya boy SunTzu”

    wow and i just said that before on this site. how i wish he watched the game. guessed he did. im glad he at least has something to smile about

  170. this was an immensely esthetically pleasing game to watch. 5 guys trying to play as one on both ends, certainly outmanned from a talent level, but managed to win.

    the most optimistic thing i can say about lin other than his ability to penetrate and finish or dish is the very good habit he has of keeping his dribble as he probes the defense, and if nothing is there… pulls it back out and resets and probes again from a different angle until he finds something.

    basketball is such a beautiful game to watch when it is played properly with an orchestrator running the point. the funny thing is, there is precedence for teams finding guys like this from the garbage heap. the knicks of the mid 90’s found starks bagging groceries and mason knocking about turkey before they ever got a real chance under riley and blossomed into legit nba players.

  171. Damn, Gallo sprained his ankle tonight and X-rays showed a chip fracture in his foot.

    Damn, that whole team seems snake-bitten right now. Three/fifths of their starting lineup out tonight and now Gallo’s hurt? Ty Lawson better look five times before he crosses the street.

  172. I have loved the last 2 games, but Lin has a long way to go before I get giddy beyond the game at hand. Beating the horrendous Nyets and the guard-less Jazz (Kanter looked horrible!) isn’t enought for me to conclude that our PG problems are solved.

    That said, Lin is light years better than anything else we have, so keep running him out there and hope he sticks!

    I think the ultimate value of a great PG is that he makes the role players better, getting them the ball in their sweet spots. That was very evident tonight with Novak.

    PS: Shump didn’t shoot well, but his impact on the game was huge. He came in during the late 3rd and instantly helped on the interior D when Jazz were scoring at will down low. He played well with Lin and handled the ball well when they started doubling Lin on the perimeter. Got some nice bounds and loose balls as well.

  173. Re his handle, I don’t know. Just looks funky. Not when he drives so much, but when he is getting pressured on perimeter. I hope I am wrong of course.

  174. bobneptuneP>the most optimistic thing i can say about lin other than his ability to penetrate and finish or dish is the very good habit he has of keeping his dribble as he probes the defense, and if nothing is there… pulls it back out and resets and probes again from a different angle until he finds something.P>

    Yep, incredible how important that is. Hard to name a good offense outside of LAL that doesn’t have one of those.

  175. Gamecockerbocker:
    RT @Amareisreal “Even though I’m going through hard times right now. #SadDay Great job tonight team (Knicks ). Jermeny Lin that’s how we play. Ya boy SunTzu”

    Love Amare. Classy dude

  176. That block by Chandler at the end really brought the house down.

    It was def great to see Melo come out and support his teammates.

    My two fav. Lin plays on the night that had me screaming at my laptop the hardest:
    1) The nifty switch-hands layup + the foul
    2) The three-pointer

  177. Ivy league schools, where you don’t get freakish athletes, work hard at the pick and roll. Playing the game right limits the damage the great athletes can do.

  178. Ball movement and good PG play. Who would of thunk it?
    It’s good to be a knicks fan, again.

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