2012 Game Thread: Knicks v. Hawks

The Knicks take on the Hawks, in the land where Son of Wood’s eyebrows went missing.

 

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261 thoughts to “2012 Game Thread: Knicks v. Hawks”

  1. I never noticed the missing brows until I read that NY Times piece, which is well worth reading, he seems like a really likeable good guy. And check out the Knicks’ yearbook cover from 1981 with Woodson, Bill Cartwright and crazy eyes Sugar Ray Richardson.

  2. Not sure who I’d be more afraid to have in crunch time handling the ball, Lin, or Baron.

  3. 2FOR18:
    Bad groin my ass.This is as athletic as Melo has looked all season.

    Yeah. He just decided he’d play this way…. GTFO

  4. hate to scoreboard watch…but washingon up 16 at home to philly in q2…can they hold it? if we win and they lose tonight….they play atlanta tomorrow night….HUGE!

    let’s get it done!

  5. art vandelay:
    hate to scoreboard watch…but washingon up 16 at home to philly in q2…can they hold it? if we win and they lose tonight….they play atlanta tomorrow night….HUGE!

    let’s get it done!

    I didn’t want to mention it yet.. Been watching though..

  6. time for adjustments right now….. They are getting too many cross-matchups when they shouldn’t.

  7. So far it’s Melo vs. the Hawks. He looks like his old highlights tonight. A lot of pep in his step.

  8. 2FOR18:
    So far it’s Melo vs. the Hawks.He looks like his old highlights tonight.A lot of pep in his step.

    Yes, and the hawks are winning.

  9. 2FOR18:
    So far it’s Melo vs. the Hawks.He looks like his old highlights tonight.A lot of pep in his step.

    I have no explanation why it’s there right now when it hasn’t been much of the year with injuries. Defies explanation.

  10. Woodson is taking up the D’antoni defensive strategy and switching on every screen.

  11. Will the Thrill:
    Woodson is taking up the D’antoni defensive strategy and switching on every screen.

    wasn’t that D’antoni taking up the Woodson strategy?

  12. Atlanta is getting the ball to drop right now, Knicks missing opportunities. Bad bad signs

  13. I really hate our *end of quarter plays. All it is is an iso for JR and a step back, fadeaway, long two pointer. Jamal Crawford anyone?

  14. Yo Art Vandelay: I’m down in Buenos Aires and I’m not sure I can bear this team by my lonesome. Let me know if you want to grab a game sometime.

  15. Knicks fortunate to only be down 8… Need someone to step up now. This used to JR’s time…

  16. Jorts ain’t the smoothest looking player but in his own way he’s been useful tonight.

  17. 2FOR18:
    Looks like JR was at the Gold Club last night

    It’s been like this all year outside of garbage time….shockingly bad…. I’ll say the same thing about him as a I’ve said all year about Melo: it’s in there.

  18. Jake S.:
    Yo Art Vandelay: I’m down in Buenos Aires and I’m not sure I can bear this team by my lonesome. Let me know if you want to grab a game sometime.

    sure, man….that would be great….anytime you want…I have plenty of time on my hands coming up…so you pick the date and I’m there.

  19. Nick C.:
    Jorts ain’t the smoothest looking player but in his own way he’s been useful tonight.

    I like Josh. Would be great if he could figure out how to hit a lay-up, though.

  20. Nick C.:
    Jorts ain’t the smoothest looking player but in his own way he’s been useful tonight.

    He needs to use that body better on defense…. You can live with his inability to finish if he does that at a really high level like he can.

  21. art vandelay: sure, man….that would be great….anytime you want…I have plenty of time on my hands coming up…so you pick the date and I’m there.

    Donde estas viviendo?

  22. Jake S.: Donde estas viviendo?

    I live in Caballito/Flores, but I normally go out in Recoleta, Canitas, Palermo….whereabouts you staying?

  23. This game has made me realize just how much we miss Lin (and Amare but that is obvious). When Melo exits the game, we have nobody on that can score, mostly because Woodson thinks JR is Kobe and lets him run the offense.

  24. Jesus that big oaf for Atlanta, #27, committed 3 moving screens on that last possession. They’re going to have to start calling that.

  25. Canitas, actually, but I defer to your judgement. Pick a spot. How’s Tuesday night?

  26. I would like to hear someone’s pitch on how Baron should be starting and finishing games for the knicks after this one.

  27. Will the Thrill:
    I would like to hear someone’s pitch on how Baron should be starting and finishing games for the knicks after this one.

    he should be starting, he’s having an awful game. Lin should be finishing, no one ever argued that.

  28. Jake S.:
    Canitas, actually, but I defer to your judgement. Pick a spot. How’s Tuesday night?

    Canitas is great, but there really are not bars/pubs to watch the game there…mostly lounges…how are you watching it tonight, for that matter?

  29. Pachulia is just a big foul machine.
    He has 3 already, and has committed something like 15.

  30. At least one person has, because of Lin’s turnovers. But I really don’t see much of a difference.

    jon abbey: he should be starting, he’s having an awful game. Lin should be finishing, no one ever argued that.

  31. Will the Thrill:
    At least one person has, because of Lin’s turnovers. But I really don’t see much of a difference.

    The doofus Michael Kay was pumping Baron this afternoon.

  32. art vandelay: Canitas is great, but there really are not bars/pubs to watch the game there…mostly lounges…how are you watching it tonight, for that matter?

    On my computer, with the wife sulking gently next to me on the sofa. Any place that’s not in the microcentro and I’ll be there. I’m a big, gangly mofo–you can’t miss me.

  33. Hopefully the Knicks see the PHI score and realize the opportunity at hand! We might need another 40 pts from Kevin Love to see the Celtics lose though…

  34. Jake S.: On my computer, with the wife sulking gently next to me on the sofa. Any place that’s not in the microcentro and I’ll be there. I’m a big, gangly mofo–you can’t miss me.

    hahaha….that is hilarious (the gangly mofo part)….I usually watch on my computer as well…I know of a place in barrio norte/recoleta sports bar that usually has the games, but other than watching the game there (I believe they have some sort of satellite TV package) it can be difficult if it is not a nationally-televised one (like NBATV, ESPN, etc.) to find a place that gets the ballgame….we can try that place i know of on tuesday night.

  35. art vandelay: hahaha….that is hilarious (the gangly mofo part)….I usually watch on my computer as well…I know of a place in barrio norte/recoleta sports bar that usually has the games, but other than watching the game there (I believe they have some sort of satellite TV package) it can be difficult if it is not a nationally-televised one (like NBATV, ESPN, etc.) to finda place that gets the ballgame….we can try that place i know of on tuesday night.

    Sold. Tell me what’s it called and I’ll meet you out front ten minutes before tip-off.

  36. brutal play from JR and Baron and you can throw Novak and Fields in there too. some dubious officiating, though, most of it against us.

  37. Bucks are destroying the Cavs, Philly down by 14 in the 4th. Man we really need this game.

  38. Geez they find Tyson and then next time down a ridiculous pass that Josh Smith somehow tips in on the ensuing break for an and one.

  39. JR just hit Johnson in the stomach after he shot on purpose, why is he still playing?!

  40. Hello!

    I’ve been lurking here for a decent amount of time. Just wanted to say that this site has the best Knicks writing you can find. Also, Woodson should consider putting Shump on J. Smith and switching Fields to Johnson. Chandler is good enough to back-up Shump when Smith tries to post up, and Johnson isn’t so athletic as to blow by Fields. That is all.

    Living in L.A., life-long Knicks fan, appreciating you guys and this site’s recaps to keep me sane in this city. Thanks!

  41. Jake S.: Sold. Tell me what’s it called and I’ll meet you out front ten minutes before tip-off.

    cool, man….we’ll try tuesday night and hopefully they can get the game…if not, the game thursday night (if you will still be here) against orlando is on argentina’s version of TNT (Space) so they definitely should have it at the bar I had in mind….

    my e-mail is jriccio03@gmail.com …e-mail me to set it up later on.

  42. Will the Thrill:
    knicks won’t win tonight. ugh

    It is hard to win when two of your top rotation players have had probably the dumbest game imaginable a human being can play.

  43. Davis is in the locker room yikes! Then again if Shump keeps making plays like that …

  44. Believe me I know who you’re talking about. Shump is keeping us in it though.

    art vandelay: It is hard to win when two of your top rotation players have had probably the dumbest game imaginable a human being can play.

  45. well we are in ruru’s range of 6-7!!!! I’m amazed we are still in this game.

  46. Will the Thrill:
    well we are in ruru’s range of 6-7!!!! I’m amazed we are still in this game.

    Knicks defense is better than Atlanta’s by a good margin with full energy…. It will come down, IMO, to Atlanta’s ability to make contested shots in the 4th.. They have some guys who can do that though.

  47. The Hawks have gotten every bounce, every loose ball, are shooting at almost 50%, yet we’re somehow only down by 5.

  48. We need to seriously start helping on Johnson.

    Then let Shump and Melo carry us to victory.

  49. Yeah, Johnson’s made a few of those already.

    ruruland: Knicks defense is better than Atlanta’s by a good margin with full energy…. It will come down, IMO, to Atlanta’s ability to make contested shots in the 4th.. They have some guys who can do that though.

  50. Will the Thrill:
    Our next highest leading scorer behind Shumper and Melo? Jorts with 6…..

    If this is a glimpse into the future with Shump he’s an all-star…

  51. Wait, JR or Baron?!

    art vandelay: It is hard to win when two of your top rotation players have had probably the dumbest game imaginable a human being can play.

  52. Atlanta announcers are the worst . Whines about miss calls for the Hawks, and dismisses obvious miss called against Knicks

  53. Will the Thrill:
    Believe me I know who you’re talking about.Shump is keeping us in it though.

    Shump keeps my faith in this team going long term with or without STAT. IF he hones his offensive consistency. So much potential there.

  54. Hawks already with 3 fouls in 3 minutes…let’s get them over limit early (and actually MAKE the FTs)!

  55. Baron is literally the last guy who should be shooting with the clock running down. Why would you even do that

  56. new RULE: JR Smith and Baron not allowed to shoot remainder of game….or dribble, perhaps.

  57. Let’s add Willie Green to the list of limited wings that light up Novak/Fields every game. It’s getting kind of old…

  58. If we had Lin in this game instead of Baron we would be up by 20. Guy sometimes makes just the most polarizing plays.

  59. Doug:
    Baron is literally the last guy who should be shooting with the clock running down. Why would you even do that

    Hence the timeout. Ball will be in Melo’s hands… at least it better be. Knicks getting nothing outside of MeloShump

  60. Very underrated Melo trait (defensively): excellent hands and ability to swipe at ball and knock it lose without committing the foul.

  61. So is Baron, oh wait…

    Juany8:
    Let’s add Willie Green to the list of limited wings that light up Novak/Fields every game. It’s getting kind of old…

  62. Very hard to win in this league when you have a starting pg going 2-8, 4pts, 4turns and 2 assists.

  63. yeah watching Melo gut things out is fun but if Lin is gone, that’s the nail in the coffin on the season.

  64. To be fair to BD though from the tweets Ive read his hamstring is killing him. Playing banged up.

  65. If his hamstring is killing him then maybe it would be a good idea for him to pass the damn ball to Shump or Melo or (tonight) even Fields rather than force a shot of a slow-as-molasses move in traffic.

  66. I still think Knicks win tomorrow night at garden no matter what happens tonight…cleveland has been mailing in games for last month…they have looked terrible of late…I say we win comfortably.

  67. Jeffries or Amar’e would have made a bigger difference IMO, Josh Smith killed the Knicks this game

  68. art vandelay:
    I still think Knicks win tomorrow night at garden no matter what happens tonight…cleveland has been mailing in games for last month…they have looked terrible of late…I say we win comfortably.

    Tomorrow is not the problem, the next 2 weeks are.

  69. The Knicks have been persistent but the Hawks are being resistant.

    An actual Clyde quote from a few years ago.

  70. I’m sure Amare would not have stopped Josh Smith from killing the knicks haha. And Baron has hurt the Knicks much more than Josh Smith IMO

    Juany8:
    Jeffries or Amar’e would have made a bigger difference IMO, Josh Smith killed the Knicks this game

  71. BigBlueAL: Tomorrow is not the problem, the next 2 weeks are.

    oh yeah, they are completely screwed if Lin can’t go…bad enough without STAT…celtics will lead the atlantic at end of night….unbelievable!!!

  72. Dammit I replayed that last shot by Green and he just ran along the baseline unattended.

  73. jon abbey:
    a normal game from Chandler and we’re up by 10.

    Bet he still gets a B+ or something in the recap lol. Has not defended the rim well today, it’s not a good sign that there’s another game tomorrow…

  74. These announcers are fucking annoying as fuck, I’ve never heard Clyde be this biased against opposing teams.

  75. I don’t know who these damn hicks doing the Hawks broadcast are, but they, to put it delicately, suck.

  76. Our over-doubling is really hurting our defense, we are constantly trying to get back to our man.

  77. Jeffries would have made a HUGE difference. No need to double on Smith.

    Fucking free throws…

  78. bucks killed the cavs, I can’t see the Knicks holding off the Bucks with their schedule.

  79. Juany8: Bet he still gets a B+ or something in the recap lol. Has not defended the rim well today, it’s not a good sign that there’s another game tomorrow…

    he’s killed them on offense too, a lot of other people’s turnovers were at least partly on him.

  80. Knicks4Eva:
    I don’t know who these damn hicks doing the Hawks broadcast are, but they, to put it delicately, suck.

    Dominique Wilkins is the analyst.

  81. TheXman:
    bucks killed the cavs, I can’t see the Knicks holding off the Bucks with their schedule.

    we get to play them one more time at least.

  82. Knicks4Eva:
    I don’t know who these damn hicks doing the Hawks broadcast are, but they, to put it delicately, suck.

    Biggest homers I’ve ever heard.

    “Finally after the 12th time, Chandler gets called for an illegal screen!”

  83. Shumpert has no quit, can’t wait to see him keep improving over the years, please don’t trade him Dolan.

  84. so awesome that two days ago people were telling me definitively that Fields was better offensively than Shumpert. um, no.

  85. jon abbey: we get to play them one more time at least.

    Problem is the game is at Milwaukee and is the 2nd of a back-to-back with the 1st game being at Chicago. Brutal.

  86. hawshocker: Biggest homers I’ve ever heard.

    “Finally after the 12th time, Chandler gets called for an illegal screen!”

    In fairness, I think Chandler may have committed 12 illegal screens.

  87. Defense is fucking horrible, what’s with this defense? jeezus christ. The Hawks are not very good offensively, let JSmith and Joe Johnson shoot themselves out of the game.

  88. so sick of watching JR shoot contested 21 footers, his shot selection is worse than Melo’s.

  89. Wilkins isn’t that bad. It’s the other guy. What a douche: “whaddya know, some knicks fans are heading to the exits” (in heavy sarcasm).

    Why did we go away from Melo in the 4th? He was stroking it.

  90. JR Smith is a one trick pony. He dribbles around, pulls it back and fires a bullet at the back of the rim.

  91. Will the Thrill:
    JR Smith is a one trick pony.He dribbles around, pulls it back and fires a bullet at the back of the rim.

    he has been so far for NY, but he really isn’t.

  92. If JR is gonna let willie green get by him on defense, what’s the fucking point of having him out there? He’s a minus on offense

  93. Cant imagine JR not accepting his player option cause with the way he has played this season not sure how many mid-level offers he will be getting.

  94. This game was the difference between fighting for the Division Title (4 seed) and trying to make the playoffs to beat out a red hot Milwaukee team.
    This was the flattest the knicks came out in long while.

  95. rohank:
    If JR is gonna let willie green get by him on defense, what’s the fucking point of having him out there? He’s a minus on offense

    who would you rather have out there? they have four guys hurt now including Baron, and Novak and Fields are sieves.

  96. hoolahoop:
    This game was the difference between fighting for the Division Title (4 seed) and trying to make the playoffs to beat out a red hot Milwaukee team.
    This was the flattest the knicks came out in long while.

    And we’re off…….

  97. that loss is on Baron/JR/Chandler, which is a shame because Melo and Shumpie were awesome again.

  98. ruruland: And we’re off…….

    ruru, it is true, you’re right that we’re incredibly dangerous at full strength, but it’s also true that we’re only one loss up on Milwaukee now and their schedule is decidedly easier than ours. it’s not knee jerk, it’s a product of the hole these guys dug themselves.

  99. jon abbey: who would you rather have out there? they have four guys hurt now including Baron, and Novak and Fields are sieves.

    Yeah but that’s what I’m saying. If JR isn’t gonna at least give you better D than Novak, put Novak in for the offense…

  100. rohank: Yeah but that’s what I’m saying. If JR isn’t gonna at least give you better D than Novak, put Novak in for the offense…

    he has had a lot of trouble getting open without Jeffries’ picks.

  101. jon abbey: ruru, it is true, you’re right that we’re incredibly dangerous at full strength, but it’s also true that we’re only one loss up on Milwaukee now and their schedule is decidedly easier than ours. it’s not knee jerk, it’s a product of the hole these guys dug themselves.

    I understand that. And I understand Bucks schedule advantage. But, it’s one game, just like Toronto was one game. I know they’re all very important.

    If we learn that Lin is going to be out awhile, given whatever is going on with Baron, then I’d admit we’re in trouble. But missing those three guys was obviously huge.

  102. Yea tonight was a tough one considering the Philly and buck final….hopefully we can smash the cavs tho

    jon abbey: ruru, it is true, you’re right that we’re incredibly dangerous at full strength, but it’s also true that we’re only one loss up on Milwaukee now and their schedule is decidedly easier than ours. it’s not knee jerk, it’s a product of the hole these guys dug themselves.

  103. The knicks fought back within two and are finally playing balls out defense. Then Woody brings in Melo, BD and TC and the team went south from there. That was a Dantoni type move. I’m surprised he didn’t let the guys who brought the knicks back stay in the game a litte longer, at least until the momentum changed.

  104. Since know JJ out, I wish Lin would have gave us 28 minutes and sit tomorrow. Not sure give us the win, but PG play was weak today. Shump has 2 good games in row as SG, but barely passes up when play PG.

  105. As much as I wish that the Knicks had won, if this game leads to Shumpert being a consistent force on the offensive end, it is worth it.

    The Knicks got nothing from Novak and JR Smith. Smith shot and missed, Novak did not get open.

    Great game by Melo, at both ends.

    Chandler was a mess, but everyone is entitled to a bad game every once in a while.

    If the Knicks beat Cleveland tomorrow, then this is not a big deal.

  106. Hopefully tomorrow night Memphis wins in Milwaukee and we take care of business at home.

    Biggest positive of tonight (besides Shump’s continued improvement on offense) is Melo looking healthy. Plus his shot coming back is great to see too.

  107. BigBlueAL:
    Cant imagine JR not accepting his player option cause with the way he has played this season not sure how many mid-level offers he will be getting.

    That’s unfortunate.

  108. Playing without 2 starters and our best defender off the bench was bound to catch up with us. Makes tomorrow night a must win, just need to come out and blow the Cavs out of the building.

    I think we also need to acknowledge that best case the Knicks aren’t climbing out of the 8th seed, unfortunately, and we definitely aren’t winning the division the way the Celtics are playing.

  109. ruruland: I understand that. And I understand Bucks schedule advantage. But, it’s one game, just like Toronto was one game. I know they’re all very important.

    If we learn that Lin is going to be out awhile, given whatever is going on with Baron, then I’d admit we’re in trouble. But missing those three guys was obviously huge.

    I don’t think you can say “it’s just one game” anymore. Every game is huge, now. This “one game” may be the difference of them not making the playoffs and killing their hot streak.

  110. Missed lay-ups, missed free throws, Joe Johnson hitting some heavily contested shots, and Wille Fucking Greene. The Hawks had an answer for everything. Felt as if the outcome was pre-determined.

  111. It’s a season of attrition for sure, which ultimately shows in defensive intensity and dribble penetration, the biggest ways Knicks seperate themselves from teams like the Hawks. A lot of defensive breakdowns tonight,

    Bucks are a front-running kind of team to me which is why I’m less worried about them. very difficult circumstances though when we face them…

    Philly losing was huge…. Really a wash when you consider Boston’s schedule….

    Can’t think of the schedule… Just play each game.

  112. hoolahoop:
    The knicks fought back within two and are finally playing balls out defense. Then Woody brings in Melo, BD and TC and the team went south from there. That was a Dantoni type move. I’m surprised he didn’t let the guys who brought the knicks back stay in the game a litte longer, at least until the momentum changed.

    Good observation – Woodson has decent with subs, but I agree let them ride it out.

  113. Milwalkee plays Memphis knicks play cavs tommorow if it fails tommorow then u can panic

    hoolahoop: I don’t think you can say “it’s just one game” anymore. Every game is huge, now. This “one game” may be the difference of them not making the playoffs and killing their hot streak.

  114. hoolahoop:
    The knicks fought back within two and are finally playing balls out defense. Then Woody brings in Melo, BD and TC and the team went south from there. That was a Dantoni type move. I’m surprised he didn’t let the guys who brought the knicks back stay in the game a litte longer, at least until the momentum changed.

    I think you need to pay more attention to how momentum works, how it affects energy, and how a coach manages it…..

  115. Yep that’s the recap right there the guys can take the night off from that

    Business Socks:
    Missed lay-ups, missed free throws, Joe Johnson hitting some heavily contested shots, and Wille Fucking Greene. The Hawks had an answer for everything. Felt as if the outcome was pre-determined.

  116. hoolahoop:
    The knicks fought back within two and are finally playing balls out defense. Then Woody brings in Melo, BD and TC and the team went south from there. That was a Dantoni type move. I’m surprised he didn’t let the guys who brought the knicks back stay in the game a litte longer, at least until the momentum changed.

    Shumpie played 41 minutes, even Jah rested on the seventh day.

  117. looking at the box score, the difference really was Willie Green destroying JR Smith on both ends. on paper, I’d take my chances with that, but JR was dreadful tonight.

  118. When I tuned in and seen that Hawks scored 50 points at the half, knew that the D wasnt there tonight . Thats what winning streak was made of, strong defense. I am not interesting in seeing MDA ball again.

  119. jon abbey:
    looking at the box score, the difference really was Willie Green destroying JR Smith on both ends. on paper, I’d take my chances with that, but JR was dreadful tonight.

    Yeah….Really was. You can even toss out everything else and it came down to that…. Funny, because the Hawks can’t play all that much better than that.

  120. jon abbey: Shumpie played 41 minutes, even Jah rested on the seventh day.

    Those guys were playing intense. The subs came in and they got lazy again.
    Shumpie still had more life in him, and there was only about four minutes left
    The knicks fell apart after that substitution.

  121. At least after tomorrow Knicks get some rest. 2 days off before going to Indy on Tues, day off then go to Orlando followed by 2 off days before hosting the Bulls next Sun. Hopefully this allows guys like Lin and BD to get better plus the rest should be good for Melo’s groin as well.

  122. jon abbey: Shumpie played 41 minutes, even Jah rested on the seventh day.

    Those guys were playing intense. The subs (starters) came in and they got lazy again.
    Shumpie still had more life in him, and there was only about four minutes left
    The knicks fell apart after that substitution.

  123. Just read Kyrie Irving left tonight’s game in the 4th quarter with a shoulder injury, would be nice if he doesnt play tomorrow night :-)

  124. First don’t agree Knicks flat, but in close game with JJ, Amare and Jlin out rotation really only good for 7 man. Bibby just sucks and Josh Harrellson still looks lost. Not surprise they look so tired at end.
    Novak not as good without good PG or JJ who set screen for. Smith ran one screen for Novak and hit open 3. If you going play him 20 minutes he got to get him more then 2 shots. I rather see Novak shoot even with someone hand in his face then Smith.

  125. hoolahoop: Those guys were playing intense. The subs (starters) came in and they got lazy again.
    Shumpie still had more life in him, and there was only about four minutes left
    The knicks fell apart after that substitution.

    this is the kind of mindset that led to Lin getting hurt from “overuse”, there’s another game tomorrow and Shumpert has already had cramping issues a few times this year.

    anyway, he barely sat out, from 9:48 to 7:56 left in the 4th, then Woodson called a TO to get him back in.

  126. The knicks didn’t move the ball well tonight. That’s why Novak had only two shots.
    The energy on both ends of the floor wasn’t there tonight, except for a brief spurt int the fourth.
    They got to do something about the foul shooting. Many games are won and lost at the line.

  127. no Irving tomorrow would be welcome, although Dan Gilbert ripped the Cavs on Twitter after the game, so we may get a strong effort from them tomorrow:

    Dan Gilbert ? @cavsdan

    One of those nights where I can’t find the words to match the emotions (at least non-profane words). Cavs fans deserve better. Much better.

  128. JC Knickfan:
    First don’t agree Knicks flat, but in close game with JJ, Amare and Jlin out rotation really only good for 7 man.Bibby just sucks and Josh Harrellson still looks lost. Not surprise they look so tired at end.
    Novak not as good without good PG or JJ who set screen for. Smith ran one screen for Novak and hit open 3. If you going play him 20 minutes he got to get him more then 2 shots. I rather see Novak shoot even with someone hand in his face then Smith.

    It’s simply not possible for any NBA team, certainly not one as banged up as the Knicks, to play at their highest level every game during a truncated schedule….

    It wasn’t an awful effort, but it was quite similar to the Toronto effort…. It wasn’t enough to overcome the fixable offensive issues.

  129. Well, let’s hope Atlanta brings it tomorrow against Philly and Memphis shoots better than 1-15 from 3 like they did tonight…. Things could look a lot better tomorrow.

  130. Can’t wait for recap. Chandler deserves no better than a D and JR and BD should get Fs. Melo should get an A+, given he had to create everything and he played superb D. Shump an A.

    Wasn’t there a heated debate on baron vs lin starting on the board just a week ago? Let’s put that nonsense to rest. Also, to be fair to chandler, BD can’t throw a lob and insists on making overcomplicated passes, which hurts tyson.

    On the Cavs, Gilbert has no impact….without Irving they will roll over.

    After watching both melo and shump tonight, couldn’t help but dream of lin, shump, melo, amare, and TC closing out the Bulls in the playoffs. If they can hang in and get healthy, I’m convinced they can take that series.

  131. ruruland: It’s simply not possible for any NBA team, certainly not one as banged up as the Knicks, to play at their highest level every game during a truncated schedule….

    It wasn’t an awful effort, but it was quite similar to the Toronto effort…. It wasn’t enough to overcome the fixable offensive issues.

    Given Novak super high 3pt % would possible Woodson run some play for him? If he misses so be it.

  132. JR Sec 112:
    Can’t wait for recap.Chandler deserves no better than a D and JR and BD should get Fs.Melo should get an A+, given he had to create everything and he played superb D.Shump an A.

    Wasn’t there a heated debate on baron vs lin starting on the board just a week ago?Let’s put that nonsense to rest.Also, to be fair to chandler, BD can’t throw a lob and insists on making overcomplicated passes, which hurts tyson.

    On the Cavs, Gilbert has no impact….without Irving they will roll over.

    After watching both melo and shump tonight, couldn’t help but dream of lin, shump, melo, amare, and TC closing out the Bulls in the playoffs.If they can hang in and get healthy, I’m convinced they can take that series.

    Lin, Shump, Melo, JJ and TC I think going best lineup with Melo as primary option. We know JJ defensive ability and Shump, but Lin under Woodson gotten a lot better. No more stupid double team by him leaving guy open. The back to back Indiana and then raptors game was some most complete BB I’ve seen from Lin. He shoot well 15-27, 17-18 FT and play tight defense on guy.

  133. JC Knickfan: Given Novak super high 3pt % would possible Woodson run some play for him? If he misses so be it.

    Poor screens tonight. Teams closing hard on him, too, given his inability to do anything else with ball.

  134. Not the way amare was playing pre-injury. That 5 playing at peak is arguably unparalled in the league. Melo and amare’s offensive explosiveness, backed by fierce on the ball defense of shump and TC, and lin orchestrating it all. Seriously, if it all comes together I expect to see miami in the conference finals in an epic matchup.

  135. The view from the cheap seats in The Highlight Factory…

    More Knicks fans than Hawks fans, as usual.

    With all the injuries, not much margin for error. Chandler had a bumpy night, and everyone else but Melo and Shump were awful.

    Hawks played really well. Knicks might have won anyway, if Joe Johnson hadn’t have really gotten going in the 2nd half. THere were a couple times when Landry played tough D, and Joe just was in the zone.

    Josh Smith took more than usual quotient of idiotic shots, but, obviously, was a lot to handle.

    I rarely say this, but the refshad a bumpy night. In the first quarter especially, seemed like they were letting the Hawks play tackle while the Knicks were playing touch. They also blew an obvious out-of-bounds call.

    There was a fantastic halftime entertainer – “The Red Panda,” a Chinese girl riding a unicycle about 20 feet high. She’d catch a cereal bowl from Harry the Hawk, put it on her foot and flip it onto her head. Then ride around a bit, with the bowl on her head. Then she’d do it with two bowls. Then 3, then 4, all the way to flipping 6 cereal bowls at a time onto on her head, with her foot, while balancing on a 20-foot unicycle with the other. By the time she was done there were 21 bowls on her head.

    Woodson tried to sub her in for Baron Davis after he threw that second pass to no one, but she was already in the locker room.

    Even more than on TV, you can see that Landry’s added a lot of wrinkles to his game – like those two alley-oop plays to Chandler – and he is a solid player. But he has so completely lost confidence in his shot, it’s an iron ball around his ankle. If he could hit 33% on 3s and 70% on FTs, he’d be a quality starter.

    If Shumpert keeps hitting 3s, the league better watch out.

  136. Caleb:

    Hawks played really well. Knicks might have won anyway, if Joe Johnson hadn’t have really gotten going in the 2nd half. THere were a couple times when Landry played tough D, and Joe just was in the zone.

    Josh Smith took more than usual quotient of idiotic shots, but, obviously, was a lot to handle.

    I rarely say this, but the refshad a bumpy night. In the first quarter especially, seemed like they were letting the Hawks play tackle while the Knicks were playing touch. They also blew an obvious out-of-bounds call.

    There was a fantastic halftime entertainer – “The Red Panda,” a Chinese girl riding a unicycle about 20 feet high. She’d catch a cereal bowl from Harry the Hawk, put it on her foot and flip it onto her head. Then ride around a bit, with the bowl on her head. Then she’d do it with two bowls. Then 3, then 4, all the way to flipping 6 cereal bowls at a time onto on her head, with her foot, while balancing on a 20-foot unicycle with the other. By the time she was done there were 21 bowls on her head.

    Woodson tried to sub her in for Baron Davis after he threw that second pass to no one, but she was already in the locker room.

    Even more than on TV, you can see that Landry’s added a lot of wrinkles to his game – like those two alley-oop plays to Chandler – and he is a solid player. But he has so completely lost confidence in his shot, it’s an iron ball around his ankle. If he could hit 33% on 3s and 70% on FTs, he’d be a quality starter.

    If Shumpert keeps hitting 3s, the league better watch out.

    haha. well done.

    Fields can be a very good player in this league if he can merely be close to average at the line and behind it. His floor game is pretty good, and he’s the best off-ball movement guy on the team. He can play defense and should work well playing back-up Melo minutes… A lot of guys go…

  137. ruruland: Poor screens tonight. Teams closing hard on him, too, given his inability to do anything else with ball.

    maybe we missed Jeffries’s ability to set screen to free Novak for open 3’s.

  138. As bad as Chandler may have been, this game was on Davis and Smith…..they couldn’t have possibly played more braindead basketball on the court….I think they thought they were Michael Jordan out there going one on one throwing their bodies at the opposition in traffic, or committing horrendous fouls, or throwing the ball up for grabs surrounded by several defenders.

  139. Chandler had stone hands and a tough game around the rim, but he still affected the game defensively. More like a C-game… there were much worse villains out there.

    On a happier note, I see Stephon Marbury scored 41 to lead the Beijing Ducks to their first-ever title, wrapping up the Chinese Finals in Game 5.

  140. Correct if I’m wrong – Smith cover Willie Green right? That scoring run seem like no one even on him.

    I’ll give prop to Fields, he play Joe Johnson pretty tight.

  141. Anyone else feel like JR Smith is fast becoming their least favorite Knick? Can’t shoot, can’t pass, can’t think, makes stupid plays on defense…

  142. JR Sec 112: andelay: hahaha….that is hilarious (the gangly mofo part)….I usually wa

    Same can be said of Landry right now. Damn same; I used to really like him.

  143. JC Knickfan: I’ll give prop to Fields, he play Joe Johnson pretty tight.

    I’ve found Fields generally does a pretty good job against threes and bigger twos, Johnson being one of them. Still not good enough though

  144. I think we could really of used Jerome Jordan out there tonight. Harrellson doesn’t have the range to help against the guards and even TC looked a little slow. Jordan from what i’ve seen is pretty quick laterally and is a hell of a shot blocker

  145. The next seven games for the Celtics:
    Miami, San Antonio, Chicago, Indiana, Philly, Miami, and Atlanta.

    Philly:
    Atlanta, Miami, Toronto, Orlando, Boston, New Jersey, Toronto

    New York:
    Cleveland, Orlando, Chicago, Chicago, Milwaukee, Washington, Miami

    My projection for Boston: 2-5
    Philly: 4-3
    New York: 5-2
    If this actually happened, we’d be 1.5 games back of Philly for the Division, with a huge game against Boston coming up after.

  146. EB:
    I think we could really of used Jerome Jordan out there tonight. Harrellson doesn’t have the range to help against the guards and even TC looked a little slow. Jordan from what i’ve seen is pretty quick laterally and is a hell of a shot blocker

    Chandler tweaked his groin before the game. Hard to believe, I know. Also, Melo re-tweaked his groin by saving his fifth steal which is why he became passive the last 5 minutes.

  147. a few more losses and they can all spend May and June tweaking their groins at home.

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