295 thoughts to “2012 Game Thread: Knicks v. Bulls”

  1. Fields has been impressive offensively, but covering Korver would be good too.

    Tyson Chandler has to win the alltime title for least skilled/most effective offensive player. maybe Noah is up there too…

  2. WTF was that by Shump? He stood by the arc flat footed and held the ball over his head before throwing an easily deflected pass. Melo said something go him. Hopefully along the lines of “you know you can dribble son.”

  3. Nick C.:
    WTF was that by Shump? He stood by the arc flat footed and held the ball over his head before throwing an easily deflected pass. Melo said something go him. Hopefully along the lines of “you know you can dribble son.”

    I think the coaching staff has messed him up, he’s been way less aggressive the last few weeks. he should be shooting 15 times a game on this team, I hate to see him not involved more on offense.

  4. This could be nerves from Shump. He’s from Chicago and guarding a top 3 point guard in the league.

  5. Since Douglas has been so off this season..I think we should start calling him Young Simba and start calling Tyson Chandler TCDWTCD!!! All he does is protect the rim, push people around, and get us 10 an 10..TCDWTCD!!

  6. I was psyched to see a PnR there with Fields. He did everything perfect … afnd then I realized that wasn’t Chandler it was Jefferies. :(

  7. Do the refs realize that every time Noah screams it’s not necessarily a foul? And how does Rose not get a tech for yelling “bulls–t” after a call?

  8. Nick C.:
    I was psyched to see a PnR there with Fields. He did everything perfect … afnd then I realized that wasn’t Chandler it was Jefferies. :(

    JEFFRIGHTENED

  9. d-mar:
    Do the refs realize that every time Noah screams it’s not necessarily a foul? And how does Rose not get a tech for yelling “bulls–t” after a call?

    lol rite..it looked like he pointed at the ref an said “you always call bullshit calls!!”…smh..if that had been Chandler or Amare’, the tech would’ve been called b4 the sentence was over

  10. jon abbey:
    Amare hasn’t looked this good all year, that is very promising going forward.

    Hes been mixing things up. The hops seem to be back.

  11. Did my roommates slip some kind of hallucinogen into my drink or did I just see Douglas hit Stoudemire for a bucket on the pick and roll?

  12. ugh-douglas isn’t an nba player. he lets every guard go by him and makes taj gibson look like derrick rose. he’s so frustrating to watch

  13. i liked that nba rule about giving techs for complaining to the refs- it seems like they went away from it

  14. Balkman caught the ball once semi guarded under the hoop and threw to Amare for a ten footer. Next time short baseline looking unguarded and passed it back. Make what you want of it. Knowing your limitations or way too limited. Though it beats Jefferies who likely would have bungled both.

  15. Nick C.:
    Balkman caught the ball once semi guarded under the hoop and threw to Amare for a ten footer. Next time short baseline looking unguarded and passed it back. Make what you want of it. Knowing your limitations or way too limited. Though it beats Jefferies who likely would have bungled both.

    Balkman definitely does not know his limitations lol

  16. You cannot have a worse 5 minutes on the court than what Toney Douglas just had. PLEASE get him out of there!

  17. Good thing out guards have the good sense to keep the ball away from a red-hot Amar’e Stoudemire.

  18. What’s the opposite of “pushing all the right buttons?” That’s what D’Antoni’s done so far.

  19. d-mar:
    You cannot have a worse 5 minutes on the court than what Toney Douglas just had. PLEASE get him out of there!

    it can’t just be explained by a shoulder injury either. he’s always out of position. i don’t understand why he gets any minutes

  20. BigBlueAL:
    Shump has been the worst player on the court so far.By far.

    Until TD started playing. He dribbles out of bounds and throws a bounce pass out of bounds. He turns the ball over, takes horrible shots and loses his guy who drills a three. HE IS THE WORST PLAYER IN THE GAME.

  21. d-mar:
    You cannot have a worse 5 minutes on the court than what Toney Douglas just had. PLEASE get him out of there!

    Balkman begs to differ.

  22. Frank O.: Until TD started playing. He dribbles out of bounds and throws a bounce pass out of bounds. He turns the ball over, takes horrible shots and loses his guy who drills a three. HE IS THE WORST PLAYER IN THE GAME.

    In fairness I made this comment half-way thru the 1st quarter lol

  23. Jackaroe:
    5 minutes of TD is 4.5 too many minutes.

    I get it when they come out of a timeout and Melo holds the ball for 15 seconds then throws up a bad shot. But Douglas?? Come on, man. Get hold of your team, D’Antoni!

  24. Seriously though, nobody on the Bulls did as much to shut down Amar’e as our own Toney Douglas.

  25. hand raised, in loving memory of Renaldo Balkman’s 30 minutes on April 4, 2007….

    17 points (7-11 fg), 16 rebounds, 3 steals, 1 turnover….

  26. I hate to be a first time commenter who just keeps complaining, but I’m also going to complain now about the lovefest for Rose by the announcers. Honestly, they’ve just spent the last 10 minutes fawning all over him. We get it, he’s god. Move on.

  27. Am I the only person who actually wants to see more Mike Bibby?? Especially at TD’s expense.

  28. Least deserving MVP ever?

    I guess Iverson won one….

    Rose is great but the idea he is in Paul’s class as a player, at least when Paul is healthy, is ridiculous to me.

  29. Toney Douglas. Hang your head in shame. All you have to be is vaguely competent man. What the hell?

  30. Story of this half is turnovers. So many lazy passes. We should have been up earlier, before the turnover epidemic, but Watson and Korver hit a lot of tough shots.

  31. BigBlueAL: In fairness I made this comment half-way thru the 1st quarter lol

    Ha! Yeah. I just started running down the comments after watching without KB. Was brooding over TD’s play, which has hurt the Knicks mojo, and saw your comment.

  32. Owen:
    Least deserving MVP ever?

    I guess Iverson won one….

    Rose is great but the idea he is in Paul’s class as a player, at least when Paul is healthy, is ridiculous to me.

    but man there are some plays where he dribbles on a string that look so good.

  33. And I agree, the way they talk about Rose is completely nauseating….

    They can’t figure out what to say about Melo though. Is he one of the top 5 scorers in the game? Or the ballstopper who killed Amare’s and Fields’ game?

    Sounds like Knickerblogger…

  34. The Bulls are playing their 4th game in 5 days. Looks like they have had a week’s rest.

  35. Can someone give me a logical reason why one should play Douglas more than Lin? Douglas has been hilariously inefficient for the whole season, yet Lin is left on the bench not even being given a chance in the rotation.

  36. Can someone tell the Knicks they *are* actually allowed to get back before someone on the other team is wide open for a dunk?

  37. This Knicks team has to be the worst passing team in NBA history. Maybe even WNBA history too.

  38. Lightning:
    Can someone give me a logical reason why one should play Douglas more than Lin? Douglas has been hilariously inefficient for the whole season, yet Lin is left on the bench not even being given a chance in the rotation.

    I can’t. Anyone else?

  39. Owen:
    hand raised, in loving memory of Renaldo Balkman’s 30 minutes on April 4, 2007….

    17 points (7-11 fg), 16 rebounds, 3 steals, 1 turnover….

    balkman seems to play only well against scrubs. Against a very good team he looks inept.

  40. Lightning:
    Can someone give me a logical reason why one should play Douglas more than Lin? Douglas has been hilariously inefficient for the whole season, yet Lin is left on the bench not even being given a chance in the rotation.

    History. History is the only real reason. If Douglas played like his first two years, his ability to hit threes would help this team enormously.

  41. I am so jealous of coaches like Thibodeaux, Carlisle, Skiles, teams where guys actually know their strengths and weaknesses. D’Antoni has been unbelievably disappointing so far, and it’s not just the personnel’s fault.

  42. Wrong Kenny. On his play demo he got a couple of things wrong.

    1. Amar’e couldn’t have just taken the jumpshot over Boozer. Landry Fields was cutting to a wide open 3 on the right elbow.

    2. The pass was just too low. Otherwise it was going to lead to an easy dunk.

  43. We need a point guard. A decent point would completely change this team’s fortunes. There are no natural passers on this roster, other than Lin…and his ass is nailed to the bench.

  44. jon abbey:
    I am so jealous of coaches like Thibodeaux, Carlisle, Skiles, teams where guys actually know their strengths and weaknesses. D’Antoni has been unbelievably disappointing so far, and it’s not just the personnel’s fault.

    The game of basketball is very difficult without a competent point guard. The domino effect is difficult to measure.

  45. BigBlueAL:
    More playing time for Balkman, just what everyone wanted!!

    now , when he isn’t playing in garbage time, anyone can see why karl and d’antoni have kept his ass glued to the bench……. he has no game in any tangible area.

  46. Frank O.:
    We need a point guard. A decent point would completely change this team’s fortunes. There are no natural passers on this roster, other than Lin…and his ass is nailed to the bench.

    Melo and Fields are good passers for Sfs. There’s a big difference between being a good passer and having the range of motion (of a pg) to create passing windows.

  47. Shad0wF0x:
    Wrong Kenny. On his play demo he got a couple of things wrong.

    1. Amar’e couldn’t have just taken the jumpshot over Boozer. Landry Fields was cutting to a wide open 3 on the right elbow.

    2. The pass was just too low. Otherwise it was going to lead to an easy dunk.

    He also conveniently ignored a number of difficult looks that Korver and Watson hit in the first half.

    With all the turnovers and general offensive ineptitude, the Knicks should be down 20.

  48. “balkman seems to play only well against scrubs. Against a very good team he looks inept.”

    When have you seen him against regulars? Dude has gotten less than 100 minutes of playing time for four straight years, although he has cracked it this year.

    All I can say is that in his first three years in his league he was a very solid, well above average NBA role player. He posted monster numbers his rookie year and in college too. He isn’t offensively gifted but he is excellent on defense(when not hacktastic) and the boxscore metrics LOVE him….

  49. David Crockett: He also conveniently ignored a number of difficult looks that Korver and Watson hit in the first half.

    With all the turnovers and general offensive ineptitude, the Knicks should be down 20.

    I wouldn’t say that. Bulls shot the ball (jump shots) at a very good rate in the first half.

    Knicks got a lot of good looks in the first quarter and haven’t had the fastbreak opportunities (crated from misses) to get some easy looks in transition.

  50. Owen:
    “balkman seems to play only well against scrubs. Against a very good team he looks inept.”

    When have you seen him against regulars? Dude has gotten less than 100 minutes of playing time for four straight years, although he has cracked it this year.

    All I can say is that in his first three years in his league he was a very solid, well above average NBA role player. He posted monster numbers his rookie year and in college too. He isn’t offensively gifted but he is excellent on defense and the boxscore stats LOVE him….

    man crush.

  51. This continues the ridiculous treatment of Balkman. When he didn’t do great in garbage time the other game, it was “See! He’s bad!” Then he did really well in garbage time last game, and it was “Doesn’t count! It’s garbage time!” Then, when he plays not even especially bad in 4 minutes, it is supposed to be some indictment about his overall game? Absurd. Walker played worse in his minutes, it doesn’t mean that Walker shouldn’t be part of the rotation.

  52. Frank O.: man crush.

    it’s okay Owen. You can come out of your parents’ basement. Lol
    He has looked inept tonight. It is odd that every coach he’s had has buried him. But I was a balkman fan after that took tear too. Him and Lee

  53. I don’t get inept. Did he look ill at ease? Yeah, but he also hasn’t played in the second quarter since….when? I have no idea. Anyone? It must be awhile, right? He’s supposed to be totally in sync right away? It is not like he should be starting or anything – he should just get more minutes. Lin, though, is even weirder in his lack of minutes since at least Balkman is blocked by Jeffries a bit.

  54. Brian Cronin: Walker played worse in his minutes, it doesn’t mean that Walker shouldn’t be part of the rotation.

    I mean, ideally, Walker wouldn’t be part of the rotation either.

  55. flossy: Stupid rookie, can’t shut down the reigning MVP!

    No, this is supposed to be his strength. He’s doing a very poor job in pick and rolls, not showing, getting beat underneath consistently.

  56. Brian Cronin:
    This continues the ridiculous treatment of Balkman. When he didn’t do great in garbage time the other game, it was “See! He’s bad!” Then he did really well in garbage time last game, and it was “Doesn’t count! It’s garbage time!” Then, when he plays not even especially bad in 4 minutes, it is supposed to be some indictment about his overall game? Absurd. Walker played worse in his minutes, it doesn’t mean that Walker shouldn’t be part of the rotation.

    I said balkman looked inept. He did. He mishandled, bumbled and stumbled. He just did. If a guy is trying to win minutes, he needs to use those moment better.

  57. Bulls are showing on pick and roll on Melo which is creating penetration opportunities against rotating defense.

  58. I said balkman looked inept. He did. He mishandled, bumbled and stumbled. He just did. If a guy is trying to win minutes, he needs to use those moment better.

    While I disagree with the inept part, I wasn’t referring to you, Frank. You commented after my comment (except your “man crush” comment, which was just a joke).

  59. Nice to see Amar’e looking like Amar’e again (Turns out he’s not hurt, or old… He’s just sucked for the past 5 weeks)

  60. You’d think we were getting blown out, the way these announcers talk…it’s only a 4 point game.

  61. Z:
    And not just Amar’e… The whole team suddenly looks like it may not suck :)

    It doesn’t suck. The offense is clearly coming together. Still too many weaknesses to consistently be fluid, however.

  62. I am actually shocked that the Knicks haven’t just laid down and died. It’s like they want to win this game or something. This feels so… strange.

  63. You’d think we were getting blown out, the way these announcers talk…it’s only a 4 point game

    Like the Miami game, where it was a four-point lead at the half, and all they wanted to talk about was how awesome Wade and Lebron were.

  64. Owen:
    What’s odd is that the only coach who didn’t bury him was Isiah….

    Why odd? Isiah drafted Balkman after making no secret about liking him.

  65. Brian Cronin: While I disagree with the inept part, I wasn’t referring to you, Frank. You commented after my comment (except your “man crush” comment, which was just a joke).

    </bloResponsesIf appreciate that

  66. ruruland:
    Bulls are showing on pick and roll on Melo which is creating penetration opportunities against rotating defense.

    what do you mean. That’s a serious inquiry not snarl.

  67. Odd just because it’s hard to imagine Isiah getting anything right…

    But he got Lee, Chandler, Balkman and a number of things right….

    Eddy C, not so much…

  68. Rose has gotten two TOTAL rep calls against Shump — the dunk and that crap he just threw up.

  69. When the Bulls don’t show on Melo on the pick and roll he is WIDE open. It’s rare you see a player of his caliber with that much space off the dribble.

  70. The key to winning this game is going to be either shumpert being more aggressive on pnr or trapping Rose… I think they may be changing their strategy on Rose ball screens.

  71. Brian Cronin:
    I loooooooooooove that Fields and Melo have both rewarded Chandler’s moves to the basket.

    Spot on. I have been astounded that the Knocks have no rewarded him more, or found him when he rolls. This guy is so good. He could be great if we had a point to leverage his effort, athleticism and zeal. I love Amare, but Chandler is becoming my favorite knick.

  72. Odd just because it’s hard to imagine Isiah getting anything right…

    But he got Lee, Chandler, Balkman and a number of things right….

    Eddy C, not so much…

    The only thing he was good at was drafting. And even there, generally just in uncovering good players at bad draft spots. Even there, though, he missed out on a lot of guys. Like while I think Balkman is a good player, he sure as hell should never have been picked ahead of Rajon Rondo.

  73. Toney’s in, so we’re back to looking foolish on D and jumpers. This is a horrible sub. TD returns and te Bulls go on 6-0 run. I can’t stand TD anymore

  74. Melo took two straight crappy shots that keyed a 6-0 CHI run.

    While unfortunate, I can understand how guys like that think that they’re getting hot and that they’re going to make everything. It is part of their DNA. While it can be frustrating, it is also one of the things that make guys like Melo and Kobe so good (doesn’t mean it isn’t a bad idea and should be avoided, it just means that I understand where he’s coming from).

  75. Nick C.: what do you mean. That’s a serious inquiry not snarl.

    When the Bulls show it extends their defense as a rotating defender is forced to pick up the roll man. That creates a rotating defense which allows for penetration angles. The key is a hard roll from the screener to create the help rotation.

  76. David Crockett: Why odd? Isiah drafted Balkman after making no secret about liking him.

    Isiah did bury Balkman. By the end of his 2nd season he simply stopped playing him. When asked why, Isiah answered “Balkman knows why, go ask Balkman”. And that was WITH a lot invested in him by Isiah.

  77. Yeah but you know what those may look like easy shots after the fact but almost all of those were very skilled catches and conversions by Chandler. Not everyone can do it.

  78. Owen:
    What’s odd is that the only coach who didn’t bury him was Isiah….

    Have fun wrapping your brain around that, but Isiah drafted him

  79. Brian Cronin: The only thing he was good at was drafting. And even there, generally just in uncovering good players at bad draft spots. Even there, though, he missed out on a lot of guys. Like while I think Balkman is a good player, he sure as hell should never have been picked ahead of Rajon Rondo.

    Missing on Rondo was a testament to his inability to cut bait on Marbury. Probably less about his talent assessment.

  80. Isiah did bury Balkman. By the end of his 2nd season he simply stopped playing him. When asked why, Isiah answered “Balkman knows why, go ask Balkman”. And that was WITH a lot invested in him by Isiah.

    Which I think is part of the off-the-court stuff that has plagued him ever since. I mean, “Balkman knows why, go ask Balkman” is one of the craziest things I’ve ever seen a coach/GM say. Balkman must just be the worst off-the-court guy around.

  81. Brian Cronin: While unfortunate, I can understand how guys like that think that they’re getting hot and that they’re going to make everything. It is part of their DNA. While it can be frustrating, it is also one of the things that make guys like Melo and Kobe so good (doesn’t mean it isn’t a bad idea and should be avoided, it just means that I understand where he’s coming from).

    Those shots will start dropping, possibly tonight. A very diverse mix from Melo tonight w/ in the context of the game. A few post-ups would be nice to see if this unit goes into drought.

  82. Brian Cronin: Which I think is part of the off-the-court stuff that has plagued him ever since. I mean, “Balkman knows why, go ask Balkman” is one of the craziest things I’ve ever seen a coach/GM say.

    Yah, and I still don’t know why nobody asked Balkman (I wish KB had press credentials back then!!)

  83. max fisher-cohen: History. History is the only real reason. If Douglas played like his first two years, his ability to hit threes would help this team enormously.

    Okay, that makes sense to me. The Knicks could use a good shooter, and if Douglas could find that again, it would be great. I think that Lin’s ability to run the P&R, penetrate and find the open man would be even more valuable than that.

  84. Yah, and I still don’t know why nobody asked Balkman (I wish KB had press credentials back then!!)

    Right? No one followed it up! Dude says one of the craziest things ever, and no one ever followed up on it! I think the beat guys just all knew what it meant, too, and didn’t want to say. Which is really, really weird.

  85. I don’t understand ball pressure in half court w/Rose out. Just play solid defense like you’ve don all year.

  86. Did anyone else catch the fan hitting Rose with the ball after it went out of bounds on that run out?

  87. xduckshoex:
    Did anyone else catch the fan hitting Rose with the ball after it went out of bounds on that run out?

    Yup. rose turned around and said someing.

  88. Lightning: Okay, that makes sense to me. The Knicks could use a good shooter, and if Douglas could find that again, it would be great. I think that Lin’s ability to run the P&R, penetrate and find the open man would be even more valuable than that.

    I don’t think people understand how huge an impact a guy like JR Smith would make.

  89. Melo has suddenly stickum on his hands. That last possession was horrible. He holds the ball and gets away from ball movement. Stat and Chandler need to say something to him. When the ball moves te Bulls look average. But when the ball sticks, the bulls D gets a chance.
    But I think this happens because TD is out there. Melo doesn’t trust him.

  90. Frank O.:
    Melo has suddenly stickum on his hands. That last possession was horrible. He holds the ball and gets away from ball movement. Stat and Chandler need to say something to him. When the ball moves te Bulls look average. But when the ball sticks, the bulls D gets a chance.
    But I think this happens because TD is out there. Melo doesn’t trust him.

    The ball sticks when Douglas is on the floor.

  91. Frank O.:
    Melo has suddenly stickum on his hands. That last possession was horrible. He holds the ball and gets away from ball movement. Stat and Chandler need to say something to him. When the ball moves te Bulls look average. But when the ball sticks, the bulls D gets a chance.
    But I think this happens because TD is out there. Melo doesn’t trust him.

    Melo is intitating the offense from the 3 pt line. He’s consistently passed it to the weakside after the screen. This is where Melo on the block creating double teams would help get into a more fluid rythym

  92. Geez if that was Rose (or any other TNT pets) instead of Melo the announcers would have been falling over themselves to gush.

  93. Nick C.:
    Geez if that was Rose (or any other TNT pets) instead of Melo the announcers would have been falling over themselves to gush.

    You mean The MVP, Derrick Rose?

  94. Knicks lead by 1 heading to the 4th!! Oh wait never mind TD missed the WIDE FUCKIN OPEN 3pter from the corner. Sigh.

    Still, Knicks will win this game damnit!!

  95. ruruland:
    You have 4 players around Melo right now who can’t shoot the basketball.

    Sorry, 3. Fields was in there. But it’s incredibly difficult to have fluid ball movement when 3 guys cannot either create shots on the block, make open jump shots or penetrate.

  96. David Crockett: The ball sticks when Douglas is on the floor.

    yeah. Tonight has made that pretty clear. Instead of creating something, he lazily dumps the ball to Amare or Melo 12 to 15 feet from the basket. TD has become so afraid of screwing up he’s trying to avoid driving.

  97. Doug: Thanks for the patronization, partner!

    You can’t complain about ball movement when you don’t acknowledge that guys are consistently open and not respected by the defense.

  98. Not loving this team on the floor.
    Amare is a different guy.
    All those guys that were bagging on him, I told you his trend line was improving. He’s got his legs back

  99. Brian Cronin: Which I think is part of the off-the-court stuff that has plagued him ever since. I mean, “Balkman knows why, go ask Balkman” is one of the craziest things I’ve ever seen a coach/GM say. Balkman must just be the worst off-the-court guy around.

    brian,

    other than shoot free throws a little better (and he was abysmal when he came into the league) can you tell me what he does better now than the day he arrived?

    honestly.

  100. Frank O.: yeah. Tonight has made that pretty clear. Instead of creating something, he lazily dumps the ball to Amare or Melo 12 to 15 feet from the basket. TD has become so afraid of screwing up he’s trying to avoid driving.

    He’s tried driving too. First possession he dribbled it out of bounds off his foot.

    He’s the worst player in basketball getting burn, probably by a significant margin, and he’s making it very difficult to run a fluid offense.

  101. Doug:
    How does Reggie Miller breathe with his head buried so far up Rose’s ass I mean seriously

    Seriously. Everytime he makes a field goal. “Oh he is so good, look at that shot”.

  102. What the hell happened to Douglas? I can’t remember a regression this bad from any other player.

  103. Another stupid to by TD. He picks up dribble and turns it over. Comes back on d fouls a guy and send them to the line. Four point turn around. Thanks TD

  104. Frank O.:
    Another stupid to by TD. He picks up dribble and turns it over. Comes back on d fouls a guy and send them to the line. Four point turn around. Thanks TD

    It’s hard to put into words how awful a basketball player he is right now

  105. I was just gonna shout at Fields “pass don’t drive one on three” and he gets an and one. Nice.

  106. Sometimes teams get hot. Knicks have gotten a lot more easy baskets around the rim tonight. Just some tough luck it seems whenever this team is about to get momentum. Not the first time this year that’s happened.

    Rose and Watson’s shots in that stretch will be tough to overcome.

  107. The difference in this game?

    Toney “bleepin'” Douglas. I’ve been an apologist, but he is just awful right now.

  108. Amare is his old man-ster self. Seriously, if you were someone who was ready to dump him, or said he was over te hill, etc, you have to be feeling a little guilty now.
    I mean he’s been as good as he’s ever been, tonight.
    And this is a great game. If the Knicks didn’t have TD screwing this up, they’d be ahead

  109. Pretty damn demoralizing for the Knicks to play this well and still likely lose. No moral victories when record drops to 8-14.

  110. Something tells me Chicago makes *just* enough shots to pull this one out, but I’m very encouraged by our team’s play overall. Yes TD has been bad, and Shunpert ain’t had nuffin for Rose on either end of the court, but Amare has made some manly drives to the basket and hit some elbow Js. Melo has his touch back. Fields has found his groove.

    C’mon Baron… 15 and 7 when you come back… all we need, dude… 15pts and 7asts.

  111. BigBlueAL:
    Pretty damn demoralizing for the Knicks to play this well and still likely lose.No moral victories when record drops to 8-14.

    It’s all about keeping an eye on the 8th spot. NY will still be in hailing distance, even with a loss.

  112. “I mean he’s been as good as he’s ever been, tonight.”

    this would have been a mediocre night for him in 07-08….

  113. The Infamous Cdiggy:
    Something tells me Chicago makes *just* enough shots to pull this one out, but I’m very encouraged by our team’s play overall.Yes TD has been bad, and Shunpert ain’t had nuffin for Rose on either end of the court, but Amare has made some manly drives to the basket and hit some elbow Js.Melo has his touch back.Fields has found his groove.

    C’mon Baron… 15 and 7 when you come back… all we need, dude… 15pts and 7asts.

    15 points would be awesome on relative efficent shots. I don’t think the 7 dimes will be tough.

    But his impact will go well beyond the numbers.

  114. Ahump just doesn’t know how to play point. He has a hot PF on the block and instead of making a pass he drinbles to him and picks up the ball. Then he lifts a prayer air ball.
    Frustrating

  115. ruruland: 15 points would be awesome on relative efficent shots. I don’t think the 7 dimes will be tough.

    But his impact will go well beyond the numbers.

    agreed…

  116. I like that Melo is driving… too bad it’s against team that has tough interior D with size.

  117. Gdt the ball in Fields’ hands. He’s been creating an finding people. Melo driving one on four isn’t working. He’s been rejected twice

  118. Brian Cronin:
    True, David, but they could lose D’Antoni with two losses. I don’t want to lose D’Antoni (if Jax is not going to come in and coach them).

    So I haven’t really been full-time in the NBA yet. I know MDA is on the hot seat, but my impression is that it’s generic. The press is agitated. But do we really think Dolan will pull the trigger? For who?

  119. So I haven’t really been full-time in the NBA yet. I know MDA is on the hot seat, but my impression is that it’s generic. The press is agitated. But do we really think Dolan will pull the trigger? For who?

    There was a report that if the Knicks lose these two games, he’ll be fired.

  120. Brian Cronin: Yeah, that was nice.

    An awkward kind of double team that Melo forced his way into splitting. Fields looks like a really good player right now.

  121. Look, D’Antoni is diagramming a play. Can’t wait to see what it is. On the edge of my sea here. (wondering if it could include a Melo iso and contested 3 pter?)

  122. I wouldn’t even have called time. They’re obviously going to shoot the three, so shouldn’t they have a play ready to go to take a three? Why take your last time out. They have plenty of time left.

  123. ruruland: An awkward kind of double team that Melo forced his way into splitting. Fields looks like a really good player right now.

    I was so sure that was going to be a turnover. A great hockey assist.

  124. Brian Cronin:
    I wouldn’t even have called time. They’re obviously going to shoot the three, so shouldn’t they have a play ready to go to take a three? Why take your last time out. They have plenty of time left.

    I agree. Especially when the play was a catch and shoot with 10 secs still on the clock.

  125. Brian Cronin:
    Why did they even need to draw up a play when the “STAT takes a three” is a play everyone knows?

    And it’s not like they ran the picket fence to open him up.

    He just walked up to the top of the circle, was handed the ball and he shot it. Lots of Xs and Os went into that!

  126. Demoralizing. Totally demoralizing loss. Couldnt have played any better and still lost at home. I pray that a loss tomorrow doesnt cost D’Antoni his job. If Knicks can win these next 2 games then I would really feel good about their chances with a fairly easy schedule in the next couple of weeks. Just hope D’Antoni is still the coach next week.

  127. Step in the right direction. This is going to get turned around. Might not look good record wise in the end, but record is not going to reflect what the team is capable of in the post-season, injuries aside.

  128. And it’s not like they ran the picket fence to open him up.

    He just walked up to the top of the circle, was handed the ball and he shot it. Lots of Xs and Os went into that!

    Exactly, he could have easily gotten that shot off without the timeout. I hate burning the last timeout with more than 10 seconds left in a game where you know that you’re going to need a three because if you miss there is always a chance to foul and hope the other team misses free throws, which is what happened.

  129. I like how Melo just trots down with 5 seconds left, looking so casual then does a pause stutter, WHAT THE FUCK. He plays with no urgency, he fucking sucks. Everytime he tried to force it into the paint, he got stuffed. WHAT CAN WE GET IF WE TRADE HIM ANYTHING?

  130. BigBlueAL:
    Demoralizing.Totally demoralizing loss.Couldnt have played any better and still lost at home.I pray that a loss tomorrow doesnt cost D’Antoni his job.If Knicks can win these next 2 games then I would really feel good about their chances with a fairly easy schedule in the next couple of weeks.Just hope D’Antoni is still the coach next week.

    I disagree.

    This is on the right track, and the Knicks will surely play better than this moving forward.

  131. Just do NOT blame the coach. The lack of bench was tonight more obvious than ever. Not his fault that five starters were shipped to Denver for Melo, not his fault that three players have highjacked almost the entire salary cap.

  132. Demoralizing. Totally demoralizing loss. Couldnt have played any better and still lost at home. I pray that a loss tomorrow doesnt cost D’Antoni his job. If Knicks can win these next 2 games then I would really feel good about their chances with a fairly easy schedule in the next couple of weeks. Just hope D’Antoni is still the coach next week.

    I’m with you, Al, in the sense that I just don’t want to lose Coach D’Antoni because of this. This loss, in and of itself, wasn’t that bad. They gave a very good team all they could handle and just barely lost. But if this sets up tomorrow as a must-win, then this loss is much more important and therefore, more devastating.

    By the way, the players have obviously seen the reports, as well, so how much does Amar’e feel like shit right now for missing that three?

  133. Yes, Melo, Stat, and Chandler are good players. But committing so much money for so long to these three is suicidal.

  134. Brian Cronin: I’m with you, Al, in the sense that I just don’t want to lose Coach D’Antoni because of this. This loss, in and of itself, wasn’t that bad. They gave a very good team all they could handle and just barely lost. But if this sets up tomorrow as a must-win, then this loss is much more important and therefore, more devastating.

    By the way, the players have obviously seen the reports, as well, so how much does Amar’e feel like shit right now for missing that three?

    Yeah, I am not pissed or upset at all after this loss. I thought they played great. But the record is 8-14 with a a tough game tomorrow and a potentially really embarrassing loss on Saturday. At this point unfortunately I only look at the worst-case scenarios because thats sadly what I assume and expect to happen nowadays.

  135. BigBlueAL:
    Demoralizing.Totally demoralizing loss.Couldnt have played any better and still lost at home.I pray that a loss tomorrow doesnt cost D’Antoni his job.If Knicks can win these next 2 games then I would really feel good about their chances with a fairly easy schedule in the next couple of weeks.Just hope D’Antoni is still the coach next week.

    I don’t know. It was nice to at least be in a close game. Seems like those have been few and far between for us.

  136. ruruland: I disagree.

    This is on the right track, and the Knicks will surely play better than this moving forward.

    Unfortunately playing better moving forward might not amount to anything except making it that much harder to get lucky in the lottery and get a Top 3 pick. The playoffs are looking like a real, real long shot right now unless the playing better moving forward starts immediately as in tomorrow night.

  137. If this was a regular 82 game season I would be pretty encouraged after tonight. But unfortunately its not.

  138. Lot of positives tonight. A loss sucks, but the reason we lost is because their bench destroyed our bench, plain and simple. 4 of our 5 starters played their butts off, but guys like TD, Jeffries, Balkman killed us on both ends of the floor. You can’t have CJ Watson lighting it up, I’m sorry, that’s just unacceptable.

  139. d-mar:
    Lot of positives tonight. A loss sucks, but the reason we lost is because their bench destroyed our bench, plain and simple. 4 of our 5 starters played their butts off, but guys like TD, Jeffries, Balkman killed us on both ends of the floor. You can’t have CJ Watson lighting it up, I’m sorry, that’s just unacceptable.

    Bulls bench outscored Knicks bench 25-6.

  140. d-mar:
    Lot of positives tonight. A loss sucks, but the reason we lost is because their bench destroyed our bench, plain and simple. 4 of our 5 starters played their butts off, but guys like TD, Jeffries, Balkman killed us on both ends of the floor. You can’t have CJ Watson lighting it up, I’m sorry, that’s just unacceptable.

    Exactly. And this is not MD’s fault.

  141. wow i must say great game!!!!! we scored over a hundred against the 4th best defense in the league. it was not our fault rose was unconscious or that the bulls got all the calls and amare got none of the calls he usually gets (other than this year) down the stretch but overall i can say this was a moral victory i know some beat writers don’t want to hear it but everybody came thru for our starters, and to be honest other than td the reserves didn’t get in the way in the 3rd and 4th quarter. Amare was a beast and so was Chandler though i wish he would have put his hands up on a couple of plays towards the end but otherwise great game by the Knicks. to be continued (Celtics vs Knicks tomorrow)

  142. BigBlueAL: Unfortunately playing better moving forward might not amount to anything except making it that much harder to get lucky in the lottery and get a Top 3 pick.The playoffs are looking like a real, real long shot right now unless the playing better moving forward starts immediately as in tomorrow night.

    EVen at 8-16 I wouldn’t panic. I think they’ll beat NJ. SO long as frustration doesn’t set in this team will make the playoffs. Denver in ’05 started 17-25 and went 32-8 once things settled down. This team is much better than that, with more pride, more pressure and much more on the line (pride and legacy.)

    I have no doubt this team will finish above .500 when it’s all said and done, so long as they stay healthy.

  143. At 9-15 you 42 games left. I can see a 25 win kind of deal in those final 48.

    that puts you at 34-32. Though I think they can do much better than 25-17 in those final 42.

  144. This is the best I ‘ve seen the knicks play all season, and it was the most enjoyable game the year. If they play like this every night a lot of good things will happen. Don’t bet on it.

  145. TheXman: Forgot about Mozgov.Positive is that Landry is looking great out there, happy for him.

    Well, it’s a good thing MD managed to save Landry. The Nuggets wanted him, too…

  146. hoolahoop:
    This is the best I ‘ve seen the knicks play all season, and it was the most enjoyable game the year. If they play like this every night a lot of good things will happen. Don’t bet on it.

    Why not? They won’t play like this every night , but the past two nights seem to be establishing a clear trajectory.

    Do you think it’s more reasonable to judge basically a newly assembled team, in what is still a new offense for a few of the corp guys, without a training camp?

    The offense looks significantly improved. And there’s plenty of reason to think a lot of guys individual play will also improve.

    I’d put more weight in the last two games than the first 20, frankly.

  147. the true positive’s are melo doesn’t look like hes ball hogging to much, amare is definitely playing better, shump is making better shot selections and he stole roses heart and layed it up instead of bouncing it of the back of the rim trying to dunk. so all in all things are looking up. the knicks will make the playoffs if they keep getting better like they have lately. Am i upset with that? no if they gel buy into MDA’s system play better defense through Coach Woodson’s coaching they cam always get a better point guard next year. remember guys Phil Jackson might not coach the knicks so i really hope and p[ray to the basketball gods the knicks do what their true potential calls for them to do

  148. Brian Cronin:
    Why did they even need to draw up a play when the “STAT takes a three” is a play everyone knows?

    i mean, jeez…. what do you want….

    they call a to off a made free throw with 13 seconds left to run a play to get a good look at a 3. d’antoni sets the play up for a guy who shot 44% last year and 36% this year from 3 , who also was en fuego tonight and what happened?

    the play got a clean look to the guy they wanted and it only took 2 seconds. they got exactly what they wanted and the guy missed. coaches fault.

    as i said , it only took 2 seconds to get a great look at a 3 which enabled them to extend the game. there’s no way on god’s green earth with a rookie running the offense do the inbound the ball under their basket 94 feet away and get that clean a look without burning the entire clock.

    do you think chandler could have in bounded the ball to shumpert under their own basket , dribbled the ball up the court and gotten a clean 3 off w/o a time out? come on…..

    it is nice to have a to in your pocket at the end of the game, but getting a good look at a 3 with 13 seconds left was the prime directive.

  149. ruruland: Why not? They won’t play like this every night , but the past two nights seem to be establishing a clear trajectory.

    Do you think it’s more reasonable to judge basically a newly assembled team, in what is still a new offense for a few of the corp guys, without a training camp?

    The offense looks significantly improved. And there’s plenty of reason to think a lot of guys individual play will also improve.

    I’d put more weight in the last two games than the first 20, frankly.

    Ihopeyouareright

  150. hoolahoop:
    The reason the knicks lost wa because Rose wanted it that way.

    It’s more complicated than that. Last year’s MVP got his own because he was defended by a rookie (Shump) or TD. And this because there’s nobody else better.

  151. It’s rare that I ever complain about refs but they didn’t do the Knicks any favors- awful call on Jeffries and Amar’e/Melo should have gotten to the line on several shots inside. Still, the Knicks can’t expect to win when the bench is as bad as it is. At this point, why not bench Douglas for a few games- they’ve tried everything else to get him going. And Walker hasn’t been much better- so many awful turnovers the last few weeks.
    Does anyone know if Rondo’s playing tomorrow night?

  152. When Melo passes the ball and doesn’t ballstop, he and the team, are so much better. I love when he plays like this.

  153. ROUGH: It’s more complicated than that. Last year’s MVP got his own because he was defended by a rookie (Shump) or TD. And this because there’s nobody else better.

    and it took the coaching staff 46 minutes to trap the ball out of his hands on the high pnr :-)

  154. LOL apparently both Amar’e and Melo talked about the Bulls bench outplaying the Knicks bench. Really was the difference in the game, especially in the 2nd quarter.

  155. Knicks only had 14 turnovers. I thought they had a lot more. I guess most of them must have come during their several extended bouts of ineptitude.

  156. Z:
    Knicks only had 14 turnovers. I thought they had a lot more. I guess most of them must have come during their several extended bouts of ineptitude.

    I believe 9 were in the 2nd quarter.

  157. The 2nd quarter was the only period I watched uninterrupted. No wonder it seemed like they must have had more than 14! (that’s actually a really good sign… 5 TOs in 36 minutes. (welcome back, Amar’e!)

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