2012 Game Thread: Knicks v. Bulls

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332 thoughts to “2012 Game Thread: Knicks v. Bulls”

  1. Hope shump plays well last time he got lots of media attention before a game we got the Memphis performance

  2. I really can’t bear to watch Baron. He’s just lost.
    His passes have even off and he’s unsure

  3. I like the strategy of having the worst shooters on the team take all the shots to start the game. Brilliant stuff.

  4. Awesome start, why don’t we start JR Smith. We have no mother fucking shooting out there. Fields is useless off the kick outs. Or just start Novak at the 3.

  5. Gamecockerbocker:
    Fields absolutely sucks.

    He has already cost the team 5 possessions on offense. I’m not sure if he’s worse at offense or defense any more, but he’s not worth more than $2 million next year, if that.

  6. I’d rather have JR Smith in and go 4-16 and play defense than Landry going 0-95 and lookin like a lost puppy on defense. Jesus Christ you don’t even have to guard him outside of half a foot away from the rim.

  7. MFC’s neato stat of the night: The Knicks’ scoring margin is 5.2 points higher when they are at home.

  8. Has one shot the Knicks have attempted even been close to going in? What an ugly start

  9. I guess the took the approach we talked about earlier…rest up for tomorrow night’s big game against Milwaukee…haha.

    Btw, methinks they could use another offensive option, so this we’re better off without Amare crap is bogus.

  10. TheXman:
    Awesome start, why don’t we start JR Smith.We have no mother fucking shooting out there. Fields is useless off the kick outs.Or just start Novak at the 3.

    Too little depth, Jorts still makes too many rookie mistakes (especially on dumb fouls) and Jeffries is just coming back. If Lin and Amar’e were back, Fields would be buried

  11. BigBlueAL:
    I like the strategy of having the worst shooters on the team take all the shots to start the game.Brilliant stuff.

    In ’94 Riley use to go to Charles Smith the first couple of plays of every game. I thinkit was to build confidence. Of course, all it meant was that Mason was about to pull his snapaways off and play the next 46 minutes… :)

  12. Will the Thrill:
    Is it just me or does Fields shoot MORE when he is playing badly?

    He’s playing for a contract and if he hadn’t gone to Stanford, no one in the league would be saying he has high basketball IQ.

  13. Right now I’d actually liked to have Rose playing this game tonight, he seems like a score first point guard (westbrook), however his backups distribute balls around alot more and gets everyone involved.

  14. Great feed from Melo. Bizarro quote by Breen “Fields off to a good start again.”

  15. Did Davis call for that alley oop pass from Shump? I mean, what could Shump have even been thinking there. #cantbelievethatworked

  16. bc2k:
    Right now I’d actually liked to have Rose playing this game tonight, he seems like a score first point guard (westbrook), however his backups distribute balls around alot more and gets everyone involved.

    This would be good if his replacements weren’t CJ Watson and John Lucas. Those are 2 score first point guards if there ever were any.

  17. Melo has the eye of the tiger these days at the start of games…I like that…..a hot start for him is usually very indicative of a monster game, at least this season.

  18. Baron is the strangest player, he gets by his man, ends up about 4 feet from the basket and then doesn’t shoot. Instead he tries for the alley oop, or keeps dribbling and ends up with a much tougher shot.

  19. bc2k:
    Right now I’d actually liked to have Rose playing this game tonight, he seems like a score first point guard (westbrook), however his backups distribute balls around alot more and gets everyone involved.

    True, bulls might actually be better without DRose. Bulls are an elite team due to their defense and rebounding.

  20. I noticed a couple of things:

    1) When Baron starts off playing well, the Knicks start off well too.

    2) Usually when we’re on the road, you still hear a decent amount of NY cheers. I think Chicago is maybe only 2nd to Boston in “least Knicks fans at the game”. Thoughts?

  21. Freaking Yankee offense had me in a bad mood at the start of this game. Great response by the Knicks especially BD.

  22. d-mar:
    Baron is the strangest player, he gets by his man, ends up about 4 feet from the basket and then doesn’t shoot. Instead he tries for the alley oop, or keeps dribbling and ends up with a much tougher shot.

    Doubts his athleticism. 07 Baron throws down ferocious dunks upon entering the lane.

  23. LLLLLANDRY! He has been so bad that it feels like Christmas when he makes a good play, and a free throw!!

  24. Tirico’s habit of referring to players from both teams by first name is so weird. It’s like both teams are the home team.

  25. Jeffrieghtened moment! (adj.; What Baron Davis feels when he runs the pick and roll and passes to whom he thinks is a cutting Tyson Chandler, only to realize, mid-pass, that it’s actually Jared Jeffries.)

  26. Typical Bdiddy end of the quarter play, dear god. Also can someone fucking board. What’s the point of getting stops when THERE IS NO ONE THERE TO SNATCH THE LONG REBOUNDS.

  27. We will lose if we don’t defend the backboards and stop allowing chicago so many second chances….will be a replay of the last game in chicago….this could easily be a 10-point game if they would collar some of these chitown misses!

  28. TheXman:
    Typical Bdiddy end of the quarter play, dear god.Also can someone fucking board.What’s the point of getting stops when THERE IS NO ONE THERE TO SNATCH THE LONG REBOUNDS.

    Uh, that’s how you pay for having an offensive advantage with a small lineup. It’s still a good trade-off so long as Fields or whatever guard/wing takes advantage of the big on offense. The Bulls are the best rebounding team in the NBA playing against a small team, they will have a big advantage in that area.

    The broken could be a huge play in this game. That’s on Shump or JR to communicate and space the break much better.

  29. May I ask, why is Baron trying to get his shot at the end of the period when he couldn’t pick his nose without poking his eye out and for Melo the basket is about the size of Lake Erie?

  30. Melo, last game. For a stretch? Melo, last year. Or Amar’e pre-trade.

    JR Sec 112:
    When is the last time you saw a Knick in the zone like melo is now?

  31. You know the offense is doing bad when Jared Jeffries takes it upon himself to penetrate.

  32. It’s possible this ‘2nd unit’ might go scoreless the entire game at this rate.

  33. Took 5 steps, then bounced it off of Asik’s foot. So, yes

    Doug:
    Did JJ just try to cross up Asik?

  34. TheXman:
    Typical Bdiddy end of the quarter play, dear god.Also can someone fucking board.What’s the point of getting stops when THERE IS NO ONE THERE TO SNATCH THE LONG REBOUNDS.

    The Bulls are one of the best o-boarding teams in the league. It’s what they do.

  35. if they keep this unit out there, I would seriously think they wouldn’t score a single point. I forgot why TD was always on the bench. Just jacking up senseless 3’s. God. One thing I liked about Lin was that he just didn’t jack up an early 3. At least he would drive and try a higher percentage shot resulting a foul, maybe a layup, or a turnover.

  36. Their offense is really bad (besides Carmelo) without Lin and Amare. There is just nobody that can score out there unless the defense makes a mistake.

    ruruland:
    Someone needs to help Melo on offense. This is ridiculous.

  37. There must be a D-leaguer better than Toney Douglas at this point…he is a complete detriment to the team.

  38. These offensive rebounds were usually off jumpshots. It wasn’t due to a size difference, just due to hustle and anticipation. Maybe the bulls were lucky to be in the right spot, but come on.

  39. Will the Thrill:
    Their offense is really bad (besides Carmelo) without Lin and Amare.There is just nobody that can score out there unless the defense makes a mistake.

    It shouldn’t be this bad.

  40. Frank O.:
    May I ask, why is Baron trying to get his shot at the end of the period when he couldn’t pick his nose without poking his eye out and for Melo the basket is about the size of Lake Erie?

    because he’s stupid, that’s it.

    his problems are DEFINITELY not only health related, he still thinks he’s a damn superstar it seems.

  41. TheXman:
    These offensive rebounds were usually off jumpshots.It wasn’t due to a size difference, just due to hustle and anticipation.Maybe the bulls were lucky to be in the right spot, but come on.

    C’mon man.

  42. Will the Thrill:
    Their offense is really bad (besides Carmelo) without Lin and Amare.There is just nobody that can score out there unless the defense makes a mistake.

    Technically that’s Novak and JR’s job. But my inference from Ruru’s “most xxx 3 games” from JR is there must be lots of meh games to balance it out.

  43. art vandelay: related, he still thinks he’s a damn superstar it seems.

    Donald Sloan or Lester Hudson? Not sure where the Cavs digged those 2 guys out, they have to be better than Toney. He just doesn’t create anything positive if he doesn’t score.

  44. art vandelay:
    There must be a D-leaguer better than Toney Douglas at this point…he is a complete detriment to the team.

    It doesn’t make any sense that he’s become this bad. And now Jr can’t dribble with his left all of a sudden?? What is going on out there. Junior is getting killed defensively right now, too.

    It’s a confidence deal to me with these guys. It simply can’t continue to last.

  45. TD needs to go back to the bench. I know it’s been said many times before, but he’s not an nba player right now.

  46. Bruno Almeida: because he’s stupid, that’s it.

    his problems are DEFINITELY not only health related, he still thinks he’s a damn superstar it seems.

    This may be true, but I still think that if he (Baron) were to not be out there evan as poorly as he has played, meaning TD were the starting PG, we might go 0-10 the rest of the way.

  47. Nick C.: Technically that’s Novak and JR’s job. But my inference from Ruru’s “most xxx 3 games” from JR is there must be lots of meh games to balance it out.

    Nick C.: o

    Yeah, but nothing even close to this. The only time he really struggled with his shot was ’10 when they gave him a ton of minutes at pg.

  48. art vandelay: Quote

    I’d rather have both glued to the bench and someone else, a free agent, a d-leaguer, anyone on the team.

    or just Baron and TD each 10 minutes a game and give the rest of the minutes to Shumpert and J.R

  49. Because I’m new here, someone will have to explain to me the rationale behind JR Smith’s patented “get a step on a guy going towards the basket, let him catch up, then pull back and put up a contested fadeaway” move.

  50. JR Smith is going to drive me nuts. He won’t drive all the way to the rim and get to the FT line.

  51. Novak doing his best Toney Douglas impersonation. Maybe we can sign him for next year then.

  52. David Crockett:
    JR Smith is going to drive me nuts. He won’t drive all the way to the rim and get to the FT line.

    This is the worst I’ve ever seen him play offensively over a long period. Simply awful. this team has no chance of doing anything if the play close to this bad offensively.

  53. ruruland:
    Yeah, but nothing even close to this. The only time he really struggled with his shot was ’10 when they gave him a ton of minutes at pg.

    I didn’t mean to cast aspersions. I just took it as he was 5-8 then 2-7 hot or cold. Mostly based on what I’ve seen thus year and limited box score memory from the past.

  54. I was thinking they would lose without Derrick Rose. Maybe they would let up or some shit. Bulls do play good D.

  55. Mike Bremen needs to shut up. His first criticism of a Knick on offense this game is on Melo? Wtf.

  56. The refs must be mad at Shumpert for stifling their MVP, because they won’t give him a break.

  57. Nick C.: I didn’t mean to cast aspersions. I just took it as he was 5-8 then 2-7 hot or cold. Mostly based on what I’ve seen thus year and limited box score memory from the past.

    yeah. Sort of. But let’s remember that he’s been a 390+ 3pt shooter 4 of the last 5 years. A lot of 6+ 3pt make games are on 10+ shots. The amount of really poor shooting games is not that huge.

    It’s not like he has 7-9 3pt game and then 2-9….. It’s not that inconsistent, just extremely high volume.

  58. Not a lot of easy shots out there. A lot of forces. JR Smith has talent needs to just use it better. Instead of the step back fadeaway each goddamn time.

  59. JR Sec 112:
    Sorry, Breen.Damn spellcheck.

    I don’t think it will end either. Consummate pro yada yada, the guy has very poor knowledge oif the game

  60. Melo can shoot 1000 times this game for all I care as long as it’s not Toney Douglas…dude is just a run killer!

  61. Bulls have a great offensive plan, chuck it at the hoop then dunk or tip it in. Genius.

  62. Why do the refs hateNY Shump and Melo are getting killed every time to the rack.

  63. This team is really missing Jeremy Lin and Amar’e Stoudemire at this point. The only Knick who can consistently score is Melo, and Chicago knows it.

  64. Just rest up for the Bucks tomorrow, we don’t need some Don Quixote effort in the 2nd half. I don’t think we had a chance anyways regardless if Rose played or didn’t.

  65. wtf is up with Woodson, down the stretch the only thing working is running Melo through the post and creating off that. Cut out that unnecessary pnr with Davis its just not working. Stupid plays, come on run whats working.

  66. Pt guards are not only not good, but worse they are Stupid. Beating ourselves right now. I don’t know what we can do going forward. Shump at PG? I do not trust toney, bibby is old and can’t play d but is at least intelligent. Id just go with shump at PG, no toney and limit BD. Maybe have jR bring it up occasionally? Pls mike…no more toney

  67. Forcing my ass no one on this team can hit a shot and he’s @ 60% so get off his meat u and breen

    TheXman:
    Melo now forcing too much, stop forcing.

  68. Seriously, would anyone complain if woody just ran isos for Melo every play the rest of the game. Fucking Breen can bitch about it all he wants, if there is no one else capable of scoring, it’s their best shot.

  69. A few hours ago there was talk about possibly winning the division. This time tomorrow night Knicks could be in 9th place. What a roller-coaster of a season.

  70. It comes down to Baron. He dribbles into trouble, makes terrible passes and is no threat to score.
    I can’t believe how pathetic he is. I know he’s hurt, butthen he should realize what he can do.

  71. I totally disagree with giving up on this game and worrying about tomorrow. If the Knicks let the Bulls walk all over them in the 2nd half, what will be their mentality in Milwaukee tomorrow? Do you really think they’ll come out with a lot of confidence? Have to try and win this game, even if it means riding your starters.

  72. d-mar:
    I totally disagree with giving up on this game and worrying about tomorrow. If the Knicks let the Bulls walk all over them in the 2nd half, what will be their mentality in Milwaukee tomorrow? Do you really think they’ll come out with a lot of confidence? Have to try and win this game, even if it means riding your starters.

    agreed. keep fighting and pray shots drop

  73. Actually, Landry needs to be out there. His motion would help. He was forgotten inthe second

  74. I used to think that breen was a great announcer now his arrogance makes me long for mike tirico on espn and spiro on msg and spiro is awful

    JR Sec 112:
    Seriously, would anyone complain if woody just ran isos for Melo every play the rest of the game. Fucking Breen can bitch about it all he wants, if there is no one else capable of scoring, it’s their best shot.

  75. d-mar:
    I totally disagree with giving up on this game and worrying about tomorrow. If the Knicks let the Bulls walk all over them in the 2nd half, what will be their mentality in Milwaukee tomorrow? Do you really think they’ll come out with a lot of confidence? Have to try and win this game, even if it means riding your starters.

    +1

  76. BigBlueAL:
    A few hours ago there was talk about possibly winning the division.This time tomorrow night Knicks could be in 9th place.What a roller-coaster of a season.

    division dream is officially over with a loss here and boston win.

  77. I don’t know what happen, Chandler can’t get pass from Davis. None spread space for Novak, so he can have more time to shoot his threes. Only Melo play ISO. Noone set up others to score easily, Chandler can be an offense if he is set up right and click with PG. JR is not stable. You need a good PG to orchestra the offense and set up people to score with their strength, rather than forcing difficult shots

  78. er:
    I used to think that breen was a great announcer now his arrogance makes me long for mike tirico on espn and spiro on msg and spiro is awful

    100 percent agree. I really can’t stand Breen. I miss marv almost as much as I miss Lin. Him and fratello even made nets games interesting, not to mention there was actual analysis.

  79. Frank O.:
    Actually, Landry needs to be out there. His motion would help. He was forgotten inthe second

    agreed thats why i think he need sto start this half. the worst players so far has been novak and baron. i would just leave them on the bench. i think douglas would play better to spell shump. i think jeffries should spell fields then put melo on the floor, to spell melo i would stick smith in their they are the same type of players.

  80. No one penetrate to attack rim to draw foul or score or draw away defenders, leave teamates open to score.

  81. newyorker:
    I don’t know what happen, Chandler can’t get pass from Davis. None spread space for Novak, so he can have more time to shoot his threes. Only Melo play ISO. Noone set up others to score easily, Chandler can be an offense if he is set up right and click with PG. JR is not stable. You need a good PG to orchestra the offense and set up people to score with their strength, rather than forcing difficult shots

    chandler is playing scared on offense and novak is just not hitting them he lost his confidence. chandler needs to get the beast in him

  82. Gideon Zaga:
    Breen should have been fired with the Dantoni package, ball movement my ass.

    Right. That’s how this board was early in the year. Convinced it was Melo’s fault others couldn’t shoot or that the ball wouldn’t move to get easy shots.

    When there is no shot making threat and no ability to penetrate from your guards, the ball isn’t going to move.

    Breen doesn’t understand this simple concept.

  83. Beating a dead horse…but he gave Toney WAY too many minutes in the 2nd quarter

    Gideon Zaga:
    wtf is up with Woodson, down the stretch the only thing working is running Melo through the post and creating off that. Cut out that unnecessary pnr with Davis its just not working. Stupid plays, come on run whats working.

  84. Why isn’t that ball movement? I really can’t take Breen anymore. I may have to mute this shit.

  85. It may be heretical, but I’m watching the ESPN broadcast. At least Van Gundy is a good listen.

  86. Just switched to espn. Already happier, although tirico is so bad.

    Can’t believe rip Hamilton is beating us…

  87. Dunno which team’s offense has been more frustrating to watch tonight, the Yankees or Knicks lol

  88. JR Sec 112: Just switched to espn. Already happier, although tirico is so bad.Can’t believe rip Hamilton is beating us…

    No Landry Fields is beating us

  89. How is this bulls team scoring? I mean seriously, I can understand if we don’t score sometimes, but do not let RIP HAMILTON BURN YOU.

  90. taking fields out when he just made his only mistake in the quarter, and team is trying to slowly come back, this is great.

  91. So is Baron Davis with his boneheaded decisions on defense (and lack of lateral movement)

  92. Not for nothing but the Knicks D has been pretty poor tonight. Bulls getting open 3’s and dominating the boards. Even more annoying considering Rose is not playing.

  93. This game isn’t close to over but Woodson is pulling a Dantoni right now. You have the team in the Penalty there’s no reason why you shouldn’t be posting, toasting and driving. This is getting irritating.

  94. d-mar: No Landry Fields is beating us

    yeah sure he’s beating us, he is the highest at +4 at the moment, the guy that replaced him, -18

  95. Melo a lot of in and outs, ugh. At least the last 2 misses by the Bulls the Knicks got the immediate rebound. Key will be how our 2nd unit does against theirs. Can Novak hit a couple 3’s get this shit going. I love the 6-0 runs, by Novak consecutive 3’s.

  96. TheXman:
    Melo a lot of in and outs, ugh.At least the last 2 misses by the Bulls the Knicks got the immediate rebound.Key will be how our 2nd unit does against theirs.Can Novak hit a couple 3?s get this shit going.I love the 6-0 runs, by Novak consecutive 3?s.

    Unbelievable with Melo. At least two of those every game.

  97. It would be really nice to have a little novakaine during these last 15 minutes or so of gametime!!!

  98. Confidence is so big with shooters, hope he’s not easily rattled

    TheXman:
    Melo a lot of in and outs, ugh.At least the last 2 misses by the Bulls the Knicks got the immediate rebound.Key will be how our 2nd unit does against theirs.Can Novak hit a couple 3?s get this shit going.I love the 6-0 runs, by Novak consecutive 3?s.

  99. Boy, you really get ass-raped on the road by the zebras in the NBA. It’s not just us tonight. It’s all the time. The Bulls get away with a lot of hand-checking that we’re not getting away with.

  100. Down 10, but we have ball first. Not over if we can have someone else besides Melo score

  101. The calls on Novak (no contact) and Smith (he must have pushed Rip’s waist hard with his pinkie) were brutal.

  102. JK47:
    Fields air ball. Two seconds later, Fields turnover.

    Give me a break. He’s hardly been the problem tonight.

  103. KnicksFanInVA:
    LOL 17 pts in the quarter by Rip.

    Pretty fucking easy when all you havet o do is dribble around, and get a phantom foul called on you. That foul on shump is hilarious. Rip drives at him, then just gets a foul. U fucking serious? it’s RIP, not DWAYNE WADE. Just amazing. WE should be going at rip on offense too, no fucking way he can guard Shump.

  104. Big IF…who will it be? JR? Novak? That’s about the only viable options at this point. By the way Jeffrightened looks VERY rusty, hasn’t really done much positive tonight. Can’t believe I’m saying this, but I think tonight, Jorts could have given us more..especially some spacing on offense

    JR Sec 112:
    Down 10, but we have ball first.Not over if we can have someone else besides Melo score

  105. This is the worst refereeing of the year. The refs should come out and fucking apologize for this.

    Fields needs to just be benched, he looks like he’s more interested in his contract than on doing anything helpful.

  106. JR Sec 112: Give me a break.He’s hardly been the problem tonight.

    Ehh. His inability to take advantage of his match-up on a big is killing is. The reason you go with Melo at the 4 is the threat of your 3 being able to take advantage of a big….

    There’s no point if he can’t.

  107. johnlocke:
    Big IF…who will it be?JR? Novak? That’s about the only viable options at this point. By the way Jeffrightened looks VERY rusty, hasn’t really done much positive tonight.Can’t believe I’m saying this, but I think tonight, Jorts could have given us more..especially some spacing on offense

    Jr needs to be that guy tonight.just once. Please.

  108. TheXman: +18 rebounds so far by the Bulls. Wow.

    The reason the Bulls win so much with and without Rose is that and they also never turn the ball over

  109. Hilarious unforced TOs, the outlet pass by shump to JR Smith leading to Lucas layup. JR Smith outlet pass intercepted. Then inexplicable just driving out of bounds. Just sit it down for the Bucks, we are not winning this game.

  110. no only do they get the rebounds but just the loose balls that go off knicks and end up in their hands….amazing how bulls hustle.

  111. SHUMP settle down dude! Damn…. 2 awful and STUPID turnovers and then gets back-cut on

  112. Shump is having a terrible game. Just killing us. Toney Douglas per minute of killing us would probably be the highest.

  113. I changed my mind, I’d rather play the Heat in the first round. This team is a terrible matchup for us, they kill us on the boards and completely neutralize Novak.

    Shump is having a nightmare of a game also

  114. TheXman:
    Shump is having a terrible game.Just killing us.Toney Douglas per minute of killing us would probably be the highest.

    I think Anthony has literally been the only Knick who has played well….I defy you to find another one on this roster who has looked good…..

  115. We are sincerely lucky to somehow lottery win the previous game. Bucks game will be the season. If we lose, we are likely done. Will be sad to see a team that garnered so much media attention due to Linsanity end up missing the playoffs. Hopefully we get a top 5 pick then. Anthony Davis!

  116. Players who earned their pay tonight: Melo and ‘shoot the damn ball’ Chandler
    Players that make me wonder if we need to institute an NBA wonderlic test: everybody else

  117. Carmelo is coming in, and I hope he shoots every fucking time down the floor. I know it’s sad.

  118. I think we’re learning that this team has a ways to go. Shump is a young kid. Rookies have a really hard time in the playoffs. He’s clearly the team’s third best player. Same goes with Lin. It just doesn’t bode well this year. I’m surprised they are this bad offensively.

  119. Will the Thrill:
    This game was so winnable..

    this team’s effort is very problematic.

    they seem to take “easier” games for granted, and never show up with the energy level to take advantage of the absence of a D-Rose for example… we always let other scrubs beat us.

    this is maddening.

  120. Novak neutralized himself by missing everything. Also, Novak needs ball movement, i.e. a pg. he needs Lin.

  121. Chandler has been OK

    art vandelay: I think Anthony has literally been the only Knick who has played well….I defy you to find another one on this roster who has looked good…..

  122. TheXman:
    We are sincerely lucky to somehow lottery win the previous game.Bucks game will be the season.If we lose, we are likely done.Will be sad to see a team that garnered so much media attention due to Linsanity end up missing the playoffs.Hopefully we get a top 5 pick then.Anthony Davis!

    You say that every day

  123. Bruno Almeida: this team’s effort is very problematic.

    they seem to take “easier” games for granted, and never show up with the energy level to take advantage of the absence of a D-Rose for example… we always let other scrubs beat us.

    this is maddening.

    Dude, effort? Seriously?

  124. Knicks playing as if they clinched a playoff spot Sunday. Bulls playing like they are the 8th seed fighting for their playoff lives.

  125. JR Smith sucking. Novak sucking. Shump sucking. Baron sucking. Just too much sucking to go around. It’s like who’s turn is it to suck this possession.

  126. Third best player when Amar’e and Lin are out, right?

    ruruland:
    I think we’re learning that this team has a ways to go. Shump is a young kid. Rookies have a really hard time in the playoffs. He’s clearly the team’s third best player. Same goes with Lin. It just doesn’t bode well this year. I’m surprised they are this bad offensively.

  127. ruruland: Dude, effort? Seriously?

    Really, that was not the problem tonight. Just stupid plays and no one able to generate any offense. But there’s a reason the Bulls have the record they do, it’s on display tonight.

  128. You guys are the most faithless folk on the planet.
    I’ve been a Knicks fan my whole life…I know how bad it’s been, but seriously, XMan and the rest are just psychologically wounded…incapable of coherent and appropriate reaction.

  129. BTW Im not saying the Knicks arent trying or playing hard but the energy level sure seems like its 500X higher on the Bulls side.

  130. Will the Thrill:
    Third best player when Amar’e and Lin are out, right?

    Right. In and healthy. Amar’e obviously makes a HUGE difference, especially with the way he was defending. Even with the pg issues he can score the ball.

  131. ruruland:
    I think we’re learning that this team has a ways to go. Shump is a young kid. Rookies have a really hard time in the playoffs. He’s clearly the team’s third best player. Same goes with Lin. It just doesn’t bode well this year. I’m surprised they are this bad offensively.

    I disagree. There is no evidence that Lin would have a hard time in big games. And he’s still the 3rd best player on this team. This time is fine if they get 2 of their starters back, namely their pg.

  132. art vandelay: I think Anthony has literally been the only Knick who has played well….I defy you to find another one on this roster who has looked good…..

    Tyson Chandler would like a word…

  133. Uhhh we are -16 on rebounds, and the Bulls have gotten every loose ball. Of course there were other reasons for losing, but effort was definitely one of them.

    ruruland: Dude, effort? Seriously?

  134. Definitely errors of STUPIDITY more than a lack of effort. Exemplified by JR passing up open layups, or messing up a 3 on 1 or Shump dribbling out of bounds, Novak taking his man off the dribble for a Jordanesque fadeaway, TD shooting a contested 3 early in the shot clock….sadly, I could go on and on

    ruruland: Dude, effort? Seriously?

  135. d-mar: Really, that was not the problem tonight. Just stupid plays and no one able to generate any offense. But there’s a reason the Bulls have the record they do, it’s on display tonight.

    Yeah. Again, nothing to do with effort. It’s shot making and offensive competency. very simple.

  136. The bulls just seems to be playing alot better with Rose out, everyone is involved with offense, they don’t have to stand around watching rusty Iso-Rose putting up 26 shots.

  137. I feel bad for Carmelo and Tyson, they don’t deserve this shit effort by all the other guys.

    ruruland: Dude, effort? Seriously?

    just look at how many stupid turnovers, bad passes, stupid fouls, offensive rebounds by the Bulls…

    the lack of a PG is killing us on offense, but this is a game where TD, Baron, Landry, J.R should be killing themselves on every play, this is a winnable game and we reach Philly if we win it.

    Chicago is clearly out-hustling us, and they’re the #1 seed with the clinched playoff spot.

  138. Knicks4Eva: I’ve been a Knicks fan my whole life…I know how bad it’s been, but seriously, XMan and the rest are just psychologically wounded…incapable of coherent and appropriate reaction.

  139. Will the Thrill:
    Uhhh we are -16 on rebounds, and the Bulls have gotten every loose ball. Of course there were other reasons for losing, but effort was definitely one of them.

    Not really. They are a great rebounding team and the Knicks are playing small. (and they are missing more shots while creating more turnvoers)

  140. game is over, take them out rest for tomorrow. WE just need to win tomorrow, then we’ll sneak in. We don’t deserve to win this.

  141. Bruno Almeida:
    I feel bad for Carmelo and Tyson, they don’t deserve this shit effort by all the other guys.

    just look at how many stupid turnovers, bad passes, stupid fouls, offensive rebounds by the Bulls…

    the lack of a PG is killing us on offense, but this is a game where TD, Baron, Landry, J.R should be killing themselves on every play, this is a winnable game and we reach Philly if we win it.

    Chicago is clearly out-hustling us, and they’re the #1 seed with the clinched playoff spot.

    Right. Awful play. Nothing to do with effort or energy.

  142. Bulls sure are getting alot of uncontested jumpers tonight.

    Ah fuck it, just beat the Bucks tomorrow.

  143. David Crockett:
    Boy, you really get ass-raped on the road by the zebras in the NBA. It’s not just us tonight. It’s all the time. The Bulls get away with a lot of hand-checking that we’re not getting away with.

    I haven’t been watching this terrily closely (and the 2nd quarter I listened to Bill Wennington and the Chicago radio feed), but in general, it does seem that Shumpert gets hosed by the refs inordinately more than any other player in the league, rookie or otherwise.

  144. ruruland: Right. Awful play. Nothing to do with effort or energy.

    ok, sure, that’s why Korver has blocked a thousand shots and is making and-ones in transition, because everybody is really trying hard, it’s just not working out.

  145. Also, everyone should relax. Did anyone expect back to back wins vs bulls. They didn’t play well, but they were still in the game. A win vs bucks and we forget about all this. We’d be up 2 games with 8 left. Let’s wait till tomorrow to throw in the towel.

    Great analysis by jvg on melo’s move. Why doesn’t Breen notice that shit?

  146. Well somehow we have to suck it up and come out with our best effort of the season tomorrow. Bucks will be treating it like a game 7, so we have to bring it big time.

  147. Alright guys I’m out….great commiserating with you. Looks like the Atlantic is locked up, the way Boston is playing and the way our “point guards” are playing. Hopefully we beat the Bucks and Philly self-implodes…

  148. Melo really does look so much better now physically. Quickness is back and his wrist obviously feels better as his stroke looks good again.

  149. Z: I haven’t been watching this terrily closely (and the 2nd quarter I listened to Bill Wennington and the Chicago radio feed), but in general, it does seem that Shumpert gets hosed by the refs inordinately more than any other player in the league, rookie or otherwise.

    Shump reaches a lot. I think you have to live with some games where he picks up fouls.

    I’m more pissy about how both teams are handchecking on the perimeter, but NY is getting whistles. Look at the way that CHI is riding Melo into the lane, by contrast.

  150. JR Sec 112:
    Also, everyone should relax.Did anyone expect back to back wins vs bulls.They didn’t play well, but they were still in the game.A win vs bucks and we forget about all this.We’d be up 2 games with 8 left.Let’s wait till tomorrow to throw in the towel.

    Great analysis by jvg on melo’s move.Why doesn’t Breen notice that shit?

    Dude, it was a selfish play by Melo. There were two defenders around him. Should have tossed it to Chandler for the open jumper.

  151. amazing how this team can be awesome some nights and completely off the rails another night

  152. ruruland: Sigh. Sometimes I question stuff around here.

    no, you question everything that’s not exactly your line of thought all the time.

    you think it has nothing to do with effort and energy, and I think it does.

    is it really that hard to understand that other people have different opinions?

    obviously I’m not saying all of our problems are effort and energy, but it plays a part in this loss, in my opinion.

  153. why haven’t they run this pick n roll with anthony just destroying into the lane. if I were a bulls fan, I’d be ripping my hair out over Boozer. Guy is pretty bad with all the money he makes.

  154. I also blame Frank O, for starting this thread without the exclamation point on Fire Dolan! Let’s get that right tomorrow =)

  155. Korver even clutch with his timeouts!!! Novak needs to work on his game so he can be like Korver.

  156. Bruno Almeida: no, you question everything that’s not exactly your line of thought all the time.

    you think it has nothing to do with effort and energy, and I think it does.

    is it really that hard to understand that other people have different opinions?

    obviously I’m not saying all of our problems are effort and energy, but it plays a part in this loss, in my opinion.

    Ok. Let’s move on here. No disrespect intended. I respect your opinion.

  157. johnlocke:
    I also blame Frank O, for starting this thread without the exclamation point on Fire Dolan!Let’s get that right tomorrow =)

    Yeah it seems we offended the basketball gods on that one.

  158. KenB:
    amazing how this team can be awesome some nights and completely off the rails another night

    They are playing the best defense in the league. They’ve generally played decent defense. Nobody is hitting outside of Melo. We can’t beat them taking an 0-fer from Novak.

  159. TheXman:
    why haven’t they run this pick n roll with anthony just destroying into the lane.if I were a bulls fan, I’d be ripping my hair out over Boozer.Guy is pretty bad with all the money he makes.

    It’s an excellent point. Melo has never played with a guy capable of setting screens like that. So many things he can do with the ball going 4-4 at the big.

  160. David Crockett: Shump reaches a lot. I think you have to live with some games where he picks up fouls.

    I’m more pissy about how both teams are handchecking on the perimeter, but NY is getting whistles. Look at the way that CHI is riding Melo into the lane, by contrast.

    Yeah– I’m thinking of the technicals he’s gotten this season for dunking and forgetting to apologize for it.

  161. johnlocke:
    I also blame Frank O, for starting this thread without the exclamation point on Fire Dolan!Let’s get that right tomorrow =)

    If I had only been a half second faster with that, we’d be up 6 right now…

  162. I don’t see why we haven’t tried running the pick and roll with Anthony as the roll man, Boozer is a bad defender, he can’t possibly keep up with a J.R Smith / Anthony pnr.

    anyway, let’s move on to Milwaukee and hope somebody else other than Anthony and Chandler steps up.

  163. David Crockett: They are playing the best defense in the league. They’ve generally played decent defense. Nobody is hitting outside of Melo. We can’t beat them taking an 0-fer from Novak.

    The real problem is that a great defensive team exposes an opponent that can’t get dribble penetration from its guards. melo can only do so much.

    While Lin would have a tough time scoring in the playoffs in all likelihood (in his first year), his ability to get in the lane is essential to running good offense.

    The shot-making hasn’t been there all year. No team has seen shooting drop-offs like the Knicks have. Not even close.

  164. Bruno Almeida:
    I don’t see why we haven’t tried running the pick and roll with Anthony as the roll man, Boozer is a bad defender, he can’t possibly keep up with a J.R Smith / Anthony pnr.

    anyway, let’s move on to Milwaukee and hope somebody else other than Anthony and Chandler steps up.

    Good ideas.

  165. So wait, I’m confused. Did we cede this game in order to rest of for the biggest game of the season tomorrow? Or did we just stink?

  166. cgreene:
    Woody over played his hand tonight and played Melo and Chandler too many minutes.Ugh.

    Yeah, this is kind of the worst case scenario that some here lamented before the game. We never really made much of a run, yet we played our best players for 35+ minutes. Now we have a must-win road game tomorrow and we’re pretty bad on the road.

  167. Bruno Almeida:
    I don’t see why we haven’t tried running the pick and roll with Anthony as the roll man, Boozer is a bad defender, he can’t possibly keep up with a J.R Smith / Anthony pnr.

    anyway, let’s move on to Milwaukee and hope somebody else other than Anthony and Chandler steps up.

    The Bucks are bad defensively. It will feel pretty good for these guys to face that. They have to hit shots after shooting 25% the last two games (outside of Melo) right?

    I mean, that’s not unrealistic is it?

  168. JK47: Yeah, this is kind of the worst case scenario that some here lamented before the game.We never really made much of a run, yet we played our best players for 35+ minutes.Now we have a must-win road game tomorrow and we’re pretty bad on the road.

    Yep.

  169. wow what a dissapointing game not cause we lost but woodson should have given the d leaguer’s some burn since the beginning of the 4th. smh i hope we can win against the bucks bieng so tired and we have a 3 games in a row this weekend we will be exhausted especially since hes been running a nine man rotation, novak missing every shot and davis sucking. smh

  170. Bulls with 10 blocks, 7 steals and 18 offensive rebounds. Yes, they outhustled us, but they’ve been doing it to every other team in the NBA, it’s not a knock on the Knicks.

  171. In all honestly Knicks losing tomorrow is not anywhere near the end of the world. They wont control their own destiny anymore but they could still easily finish ahead of the Bucks. Their remaining schedules arent that lopsided in the Bucks favor anymore as the Knicks schedule eases up tremendously toward the end of the season.

    But yeah winning tomorrow would still be the better plan lol

  172. Just beat the Bucks. Larger mountains than that have been climbed before.

    Not sure why everyone thinks the sky is falling because the Knicks lost to the Bulls in Chicago. I saw some fight in them, but things fell apart, as they tend to do against better teams. But it’s just a loss, not a divine talisman of the apocalypse.

  173. Lol no one sees that graph they show every game saying basically the bulls are the number 1 hustle team

    d-mar:
    Bulls with 10 blocks, 7 steals and 18 offensive rebounds. Yes, they outhustled us, but they’ve been doing it to every other team in the NBA, it’s not a knock on the Knicks.

  174. cgreene:
    I don’t think I’m going to have the stomach for tomorrow.

    It’s only going to decide whether Houson selects Kendall Marshall or not

  175. This loss was super predictable, and probably as good of a loss as you could draw up. We need to be fired up for tomorrow night, which is a much mor important game than this one. We have responded well after losses, so I’m OK with this one.

  176. As long as they win tomorrow everything is fine. Weren’t several people suggesting that the Knicks even punt this game to rest up for Milwaukee? A few more calls (those Rip Hamilton calls were pathetic) and lucky bounces go the Knick’s way and it could have been a very different outcome. Philly beating the Nets says nothing about their ability to win 5 games on the road to end the season.

  177. Playing 30 minutes instead of 39 minutes doesn’t really make a huge difference I think. Anyways, don’t let Dunleavy burn us again.

  178. I am impressed with how Korver is getting some loose balls. There was one play we used to do in high school where we intention bounce it off the other players feet or legs so it would go OB then we get possession again. He did that by deflected it off Landry ‘s legs

  179. Melo: 11/19 FGs – 58%

    Non-Melo: 20/54 FGs – 37%

    Yup, that’s not gonna get it done. Hero ball is great when Melo is going like this, but against elite teams, he has to be on another planet to overcome such a lack of support, and tonight he was “merely” great.

    Addendum:

    Melo + Swishy: 17/32 FGs – 53%

    Everyone else: 14/41 FGs – 34%

    That’s atrocious, and illustrates that the only reason the Knicks were even as close as they were most of the game is because Melo and J.R. shot the ball so much. I mean, you expect that from them, but you also expect everybody else to do a bit better than 34%. Yuck.

  180. Smith was way too passive in the second quarter when NY couldn’t buy a basket, I thought that was huge.

    didn’t expect to win this one, good to see at least Shumpert’s and Smith’s minutes down a bit for tomorrow. this team can’t get nothing from Smith/Baron/Novak on offense and win many games, certainly not in Chicago.

    can someone refill our Novakaine supply?

  181. also Tyson is so passive sometimes on the offensive end, take it strong and get those guys in foul trouble.

  182. jon abbey:
    also Tyson is so passive sometimes on the offensive end, take it strong and get those guys in foul trouble.

    Melo has been terrific, but this game also illustrates just how badly this team misses competent PG play. Tyson should never be limited to just 4 shots in a huge game like this. The Bulls knew that Boom Fizzle was no real threat to slash and gash (channeling Clyde) into the teeth of the interior D, creating the kind of open dunks and looks Tyson feasts on. To me, Tyson is passive by nature; he simply can not or does not create for himself, just puts himself in the right spot when defenders get sucked down to guard someone else. Chicago is a well-coached defensive team who knew they didn’t need to commit help defenders to the Knicks’ few and inefficient PG forays that usually free up Chandler for his sick jamzzz. And on nights like this when the role players are cold and you don’t have a PG who can create havoc in the defense’s floor spacing, the Bulls swarmed Melo and challenged every other Knick to knock down their looks, which, obviously, they royally sucked at. Even if Lin was cold just like the rest of the team (non-Melo), his quickness gives the offense another gear that Chicago has to compensate for, and maybe that creates even more open looks and Tyson slams a few more home, and the perimeter shooters knock down a couple more, and we’re talking a totally different ball game. Baron simply doesn’t or, more likely, can’t give the Knicks that added dimension. At least not right now, and not against the NBA’s elite.

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