2012 Game Thread: Knicks @ Pacers

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395 thoughts to “2012 Game Thread: Knicks @ Pacers”

  1. “When you find the right car, you’ll know it in your heart…” What a great ad.

  2. Ideal scenario would be for the Knicks to get a big lead early, then it’ll be in the Pacers heads that we might just be better than they are.

  3. Well, if the Knicks win, maybe we’ll build future threads off of Max’s curious post.

  4. Kikuchiyo:
    Well, if the Knicks win, maybe we’ll build future threads off of Max’s curious post.

    And I can rack it in from AutoTrader!

  5. Lin was huge down the stretch of the last game in Indiana, someone’s going to have to take over that role.

  6. Someone should probably edit my first post. I feel anxious about taking responsibility for its potential effects.

  7. I think Jon needs to be given thread-starting privileges. It’ll guarantee that it’s started on time and he can always start it off with whichever superstitious first post he chooses.

  8. Nothing much just took a dumb three in transition when our offense was cookin’ (and missed)

    Mulligan: What happened?!

  9. Will the Thrill:
    Melo being exposed on defense. But bringing on O

    West has two baskets on him so far. let’s see if Melo can pick it up on that end. Don’t like the energy on defense right now. Chandler is getting busted by Hibbert again.

  10. Woody is PISSED at Shump for some reason. He was screaming at him during that timeout.

  11. I’m sick of away feeds. The last batch have all devoted entirely too much time discussing how hot JR potentially could get. Once when he’s subbed in, fine. A comment after he hits a couple, sure. Every time he misses a shot, not so much.

  12. So I have Timer Warner Cable and MSG is out for some reason. All the other channels work. Is anyone else experiencing this?

  13. Granger, off a rebound, dribbles the length of the court and gets a layup w minimal resistance.

  14. Shad0wF0x:
    So I have Timer Warner Cable and MSG is out for some reason. All the other channels work. Is anyone else experiencing this?

    Works for me

  15. Thomas B.: Shit, he can’t get worse.

    his turnovers are way down in the last few games.

    amazing that we’re tied after that.

  16. I’m not too worried about shaky 1st quarter defense, even during the Woodson era, we’ve had some rough 1st quarters. It’ll get better.

  17. Richmond County:
    I’m sick of away feeds.The last batch have all devoted entirely too much time discussing how hot JR potentially could get.Once when he’s subbed in, fine.A comment after he hits a couple, sure.Every time he misses a shot, not so much.

    To be fair, they’ve seen him get hot before. Hot like few guys can get. Knicks fans haven’t seen that yet.

  18. Novak, and then Bibby, with blocks?
    Fields is the leading scorer?

    What is going on in this game?

  19. No excuse for Bibby to be on the floor with two other ballhandlers. He is singlehandily killing the Knicks.

  20. Unless Derrick fisher or Anthony Carter is the opposing pg, bib by shouldn’t be seen.

  21. Doug:
    I’m liking JR as the 2nd unit point.

    Sure, when my other options are Bibby and the man formerly known as Tony Douglas.

    But I think I’d rather have someone who passes. I would say Shump, but he’s been shooting like crazy lately

  22. SSS:
    What did Novak do?I assume this lineup is Woodson’s way of punishing him?

    He’s in the game.. Luckily, he’s making up for his defense with a couple of 3s. But you can’t have he and Bibby in the game at the same time. You shouldn’t have the corpse in for more than a couple of minutes, really just to stretch Davis out a bit.

  23. ruruland: He’s in the game.. Luckily, he’s making up for his defense with a couple of 3s. But you can’t have he and Bibby in the game at the same time. You shouldn’t have the corpse in for more than a couple of minutes, really just to stretch Davis out a bit.
    But he was in there with Bibby AND ______! I don’t know if Woodson has a daughter, but if he did, Novak must have done very bad things to her to deserve being put on the court with those two.

  24. ruruland: He’s in the game.. Luckily, he’s making up for his defense with a couple of 3s. But you can’t have he and Bibby in the game at the same time. You shouldn’t have the corpse in for more than a couple of minutes, really just to stretch Davis out a bit.

    But he was in there with Bibby AND ______! I don’t know if Woodson has a daughter, but if he did, Novak must have done very bad things to her to deserve being put on the court with those two.

  25. I’d be shocked if Hansborough didn’t light us up. This is the kinda matchup we desperately need Jeffries for.

  26. SSS: But he was in there with Bibby AND ______! I don’t know if Woodson has a daughter, but if he did, Novak must have done very bad things to her to deserve being put on the court with those two.

    yeah, haha

  27. After a great start, Fields reminding us in a big way why we’re all down on him.

  28. And Fields decided to take a contested shot with Melo matched up against West. if they feed Melo Indiana will be forced to double, which will make all of these jumpers much easier.

  29. Landry with the block and the run out. What a game he is playing! Sure, he’s taken some questionable/typical flat shots, but he’s all over the place!

  30. Doug:
    What a finish to the half! GREAT JORB GUYS

    Yeah, I see what you did there. You have the Pacers feed. Nice half. Much better defense.

  31. I love that Shumpert always gets over screens, makes such a big difference for the team’s overall defense. I also love that we have a great defensive center who always plays his man straight up without the need to double.

  32. really nice effort, I think the weak D in the first was an effort to stay out of foul trouble. they had a weak defensive first quarter last time in Indy too.

    best half from Fields in a long time, let’s see if he has anything left for the second half.

  33. d-mar: After a great start, Fields reminding us in a big way why we’re all down on him.

    Can Fields join Shump at the Allan Houston shooting clinic?

  34. Pretty good half after a shaky start. Fields looks like he trying to prove Jon Abbey et. al. wrong. Melo looking good as well. He’s got that rake down pat on defense when the opportunity presents itself. I don’t remember the first game but it looks like Hibbert is going exclusively with hook shots to deal with Tyson.

  35. It’s weird, the guy who scares me most on that team doesn’t even start, it’s Barbosa.

  36. d-mar:
    I love that Shumpert always gets over screens, makes such a big difference for the team’s overall defense. I also love that we have a great defensive center who always plays his man straight up without the need to double.

    He gets over screens more than anyone else outside of Douglas. He’s gone under way too much for his ability though, yielding some big shots this year.

  37. Frank O.:
    Wait…did my Knicks just play hard going into a half?

    two timeouts by Woodson in the last couple of minutes, D’Antoni NEVER did that towards the end of a quarter.

  38. With TD playing, there is no reason Bibby should even sniff the court. Also if Fields can become a threat again on open 3’s it will make his whole game open up. Last year he couldn’t take advantage of close outs and he was easy to stop as a spot up shooter but this year he is much better off the dribble so teams can’t close as hard.

    If we can start getting reliable outside shooting from Fields, Shumpert, Davis and TD then we become very dangerous. Shumpert and Davis have been better on open outside shots lately and Fields and TD were good in the past so maybe good shooting like this is possible moving forward.

  39. d-mar:
    It’s weird, the guy who scares me most on that team doesn’t even start, it’s Barbosa.

    yeah, but barbosa is getting matched up against Novak and corpse.

  40. Nick C.:
    Fields looks like he trying to prove Jon Abbey et. al. wrong.

    heh, not sure one half is going to erase 30 games, but very nice to see nevertheless. he had a sweet rebound in traffic and a nice steal and leak-out too.

  41. Nick C.:
    Pretty good half after a shaky start. Fields looks like he trying to prove Jon Abbey et. al. wrong. Melo looking good as well. He’s got that rake down pat on defense when the opportunity presents itself. I don’t remember the first game but it looks like Hibbert is going exclusively with hook shots to deal with Tyson.

    They doubled Hibbert on the first couple of touches and immediately adjusted after the wide-open granger three. All coaching.

  42. Bibby is just playing to try to buy the real players a bit of rest, even Bill Walker will help the depth at this point.

  43. Why does Woodson have to have 10 man rotations? Come on Bibby & TD on sametime.

  44. oh, and it’s crazy that they don’t release Bibby in favor of James, who could give this team 10-12 crucial minutes at backup PG.

  45. if Fields returns to his rookie form and Shumpert continues to improve, the ceiling for this offense is pretty awesome at full health.

  46. jon abbey: two timeouts by Woodson in the last couple of minutes, D’Antoni NEVER did that towards the end of a quarter.

    One of which was to take out Baron Davis and his 3 fouls, but I get your point…don’t give him too much credit, though…he took out a blistering hot Melo a la D’antoni during that Sixers home game that marked his demise as Knicks head coach.

  47. jon abbey:
    oh, and it’s crazy that they don’t release Bibby in favor of James, who could give this team 10-12 crucial minutes at backup PG.

    Couldn’t agree more.

  48. jon abbey: two timeouts by Woodson in the last couple of minutes, D’Antoni NEVER did that towards the end of a quarter.

    I have noticed that Woodson likes to use his timeouts early. A game ago I think he was down to two with a half to go.
    I like his involvement. It’s still a young team and they need coaching

  49. ruruland:
    if Fields returns to his rookie form and Shumpert continues to improve, the ceiling for this offense is pretty awesome at full health.

    Much better chance in my book that Shump improves than that Fields returns to rookie form.

  50. Is Mike James really an upgrade over Bibby? He’s gotta be on his last legs too by now

  51. That head fake and finish at the rim by Melo was just ridunkulous. There is no one on the Pacers that can guard him or keep him from finishing.

  52. I’m glad that Davis pass was to Fields and not Chandler. It probably would have broke his arm. That was a heater!

  53. what the hell just happened to Baron? He acted like he got shot on that foul lol His body just collapsed

  54. Michael Cline:
    That head fake and finish at the rim by Melo was just ridunkulous. There is no one on the Pacers that can guard him or keep him from finishing.

    One of the best first steps in the NBA when right.

  55. Besides having the outside shot working, Melo looks a lot more intent on taking the ball to the basket, drawning contact, getting to line….loving his game tonight on both ends really!

  56. Baron is fine, he’s just old and resting. :)

    Melo looks awesome, this is the guy we saw in Denver. UNSTOPPABLE.

  57. Melo with the dribble dribble one footed falling back jump shot brought horrible flashbacks to when that was every other possession with Jamal Crawford.

  58. TD getting a lot more burn than Bibby, or is that just my eyes? What does the box score say?

  59. george had a lot of success guarding melo last time v. pacers. Not sure why they don’t just go small with George at the 4. But hey, no complaints here.

  60. Either:

    (a) Mike Woodson is that good of a motivator,
    or
    (b) Melo was injured the first half of the season.

    He is on a mission now. Both ends of the floor.

  61. You know, the thing with TD is he has no confidence in his dribble. His head is down, he isn’t seeing the floor. That fast break, he needed to see his trailer.
    And when he rings the ball up, he constantly backs up.
    Wonder what happened to him

  62. Who was saying yesterday Melo couldn’t take over a game like Kobe? Given the lack of other options, this is pretty awesome. Bewildering that the pacers don’t double though.

  63. Michael Cline:
    Either:

    (a) Mike Woodson is that good of a motivator,
    or
    (b) Melo was injured the first half of the season.

    He is on a mission now. Both ends of the floor.

    this is Melo. Glad he’s finally back.

  64. Michael Cline:
    TD getting a lot more burn than Bibby, or is that just my eyes? What does the box score say?

    9 minutes to 5, all 14 of them scary.

  65. Michael Cline:
    Either:

    (a) Mike Woodson is that good of a motivator,
    or
    (b) Melo was injured the first half of the season.

    He is on a mission now. Both ends of the floor.

    C) he said he wasn’t putting in the effort when d’Antoni was coach. That’s the correct answer.
    He’s giving effort now

  66. ruruland: this is Melo. Glad he’s finally back.

    Ruru, I get it. I’ve read probably every post you’ve written about how great “this Melo” is. But what has taken so long for this Melo to show up? Was it the injuries? Was it the shortened season and he wasn’t in shape to begin with?

  67. Frank O.: C) he said he wasn’t putting in the effort when d’Antoni was coach. That’s the correct answer.
    He’s giving effort now

    Yep.

  68. Michael Cline: Ruru, I get it. I’ve read probably every post you’ve written about how great “this Melo” is. But what has taken so long for this Melo to show up? Was it the injuries? Was it the shortened season and he wasn’t in shape to begin with?

    I’ve already written at length about this.

  69. New Guy: Yep.

    Everyone has picked up their effort with Woody. Melo was the only wlling to admit it. Melo clearly isn’t the only reason for the huge turnaround.

  70. ruruland: I’ve already written at length about this.

    I’ll re-post what I wrote on Tommy’s blog a couple of weeks ago sometime tonight.

  71. @145, nah.
    It was the previous identical drive that led to the kick to Novak for the open 3 from the corner. What changed was that Indy didn’t help off of Novak the second time.

  72. that sequence off the Chandler missed FT had me SCREAMING. great board by Smith. swing it around, great finish by Tyson.

  73. Um, we are down Lin, and Stat…
    Baron has a bad hammie, and Melo has a groin (finally)…
    and these guys are bringing it. A great sign that this team responds to adversity with intensity.
    Same thing happened during Linsanity. Melo and Amare, and the subs responded.
    This bodes well. This would be a great win to keep the Bucks at bay.

  74. ruruland: I’ll re-post what I wrote on Tommy’s blog a couple of weeks ago sometime tonight.

    wow, you do this on more than one Knicks blog?

  75. jon abbey:
    that sequence off the Chandler missed FT had me SCREAMING. great board by Smith. swing it around, great finish by Tyson.

    Chandler has been great tonight. So much of what he does on defense doesn’t show up in box scores.

  76. jon abbey: wow, you do this on more than one Knicks blog?

    Not often. I’ve made 2-3 posts on other boards that I’ve copied to other boards. I actually put some time into those.

  77. A few more possessions like that, and this game is over (for the Knicks).

  78. Pathetic offense.
    Can Melo take over in the 4th, yes. He does it more often than not.
    But shoudl we count on that? Just post him up over and over and hope he makes it?

    Ridiculous. We are throwing this game away

  79. BigBlueAL:
    This would easily be the worst loss of the season.BY FAR.

    easily…could very easily be difference between making and missing playoffs

  80. The Pacers decided to foul Melo every time he caught the ball in the post to start the quarter. They are in the penalty now. Knicks need to take the ball to the rim and take advantage of the penalty.

  81. Geez go would think with all that space they would move to places where Melo can pass to them instead of leaving him to go on on one with two men coming at him.

  82. wow…to lose this game could be the kind that puts them in a tailspin and pretty much torpedoes the season, a la the boston game last month…..

    let’s see what they got these next 6 mins.

  83. Gotta suck it up and get this win. There will absolutely be a hangover effect on Thursday if we lose

  84. Anyone who shoots/makes 3’s for Indy is an all-NBA asshole.
    See Miller, Reggie.

  85. Nothing like getting home and watching the entire 13-0 run as the first parts of the game. Awesome. Thanks.

  86. Michael Cline:
    Granger with the discount double check move after that 3.
    Ouch

    really? if that doesn’t wake up NY to pull this one out, nothing will.

    and yeah, they really miss Lin for the first time right now. this is almost exactly how the last game here played out, then Lin took over at the end.

  87. If Novak is going to do the “belt” after every big 3 point shot, you have to expect opponents to do the same.

  88. I’m just grateful that Indiana has someone with a worse shooting stroke that Landry Fields. Did you see Amundson’s free throws?

  89. Michael Cline:
    I’m just grateful that Indiana has someone with a worse shooting stroke that Landry Fields. Did you see Amundson’s free throws?

    Of course, Fields is our shooting guard lol

  90. my man Shumpie with his worst game in a long time, maybe too much press today. five minute left, STEP IT UP!

  91. cgreene:
    Nothing like getting home and watching the entire 13-0 run as the first parts of the game.Awesome.Thanks.

    I got home and turned on the TV exactly as Chandler hit a FT to make it 84-70 Knicks :-(

  92. So let me get this straight, we can only take contested long 3’s or double teamed turn-around jumpers?

  93. Shump is dogging it out there.
    I hate to say it but his effort this quarter is about 15%.

  94. Good lord, this is suddenly painful.
    Shump and smith look spent.
    Maybe run fields out there formenergy

  95. OK. Here is the offense the rest of the way. Melo gets the ball in the center of the court. If the double, kick. Otherwise, take it to the rim.

  96. monster screen by Chandler there on that 3 ball for Melo.
    Why do they tease us?

  97. I would have been crushed if Melo didn’t take Admunson when he had him on him with an open lane. Now the three. GO MELO

  98. i am glad MELO wants to win this one, but then they should force JR to stop chucking those stupid shots. i understand to have fixed rotations so that players know when they will be on the court, but then they should be a little bit more flexible in these situations.

  99. You gotta be kidding me what did Chandler do get his chin in the way of Admunssons elbow. Melo again.

  100. It is unbelievable that the Knicks have only taken one free throw in the 4th quarter, considering that they had the Pacers in the penalty with over 6 minutes left in the quarter.

  101. I think it’s safe to say the NY-IND rivalry is back.
    These guys are killing each other

  102. i guess Chandler does not only have the best FG% in NBA, but FT as well and then he misses!

  103. Knicks lose this game in part because Amundson destroys Chandler in the 4th quarter. Unbelievable.

  104. Joey Crawford should retire.
    He’s handing the game to Indy with this bullshit.

  105. Refs blew the game. Well the Knicks blew it, but the refs were fucking awful down the stretch.

  106. JR Smith might have the lowest basketball IQ in the NBA (followed closely behind by BDizzle)

  107. I actually wanted JR to pull that 3 when he dribbled around the pick and had an open look momentarily before handing the ball off to Melo. I must be a masochist lol

  108. This turned into the Melo show and when it’s Melo and the rest watching, things go badly

  109. Even if the Knicks score now, they are going to have to foul, because there is not enough time for a stop.

  110. Refs sucked. Agreed chandler was nowhere in 4q. Him and baron blew this one. Need jj back ASAP.

  111. Frank O.:
    This turned into the Melo show and when it’s Melo and the rest watching, things go badly

    They haven’t been able to generate offense any other way in second half.

  112. The Knicks blow a 15 point lead in the 4th and Jon abbey calls for Fields to play in the 4th, what the fuck is happening here?

  113. Frank O.:
    This turned into the Melo show and when it’s Melo and the rest watching, things go badly

    They haven’t been able to generate offense any other way in second half.

    FUCK

  114. ruruland: They haven’t been able to generate offense any other way in second half.

    Yeah, but other guys need to get involved. No one can do it alone

  115. Frank O, you’re being goofy.
    Melo was the only Knick who looked more alive than Bibby.
    wtf choice did they have but to go through him???

  116. The rivalry is back! I love it. I hate that we lost this game. It really hurts. But I love the physical nature of it all

  117. This is zero percent on Melo. What do you expect of the offense when baron dribbles nowhere until 5 sec on shot clock.

  118. Frank O.:
    This turned into the Melo show and when it’s Melo and the rest watching, things go badly

    This game is on the lack of PGs….and overall lack of team effort….juts a total meltdown…but Baron davis was as bad if not worse than was TD to start the season…seriously we played once again without a point guard.

  119. Anything thinking Charlie Ward and PJ Brown there? More great Knick memories.

  120. Frank O.: Yeah, but other guys need to get involved. No one can do it alone

    I hear you…. but the pick and roll hasn’t been there. That’s how everyone else gets involved. Can’t believe one of those two 3 didn;t drop. That sums up the year for Melo… What a crushing loss.

  121. We got one dimensional in the 4th.
    When was the last time Novak touched the ball?

  122. Don’t blame the refs. We had ALL the calls going our way for the majority of the game. Yea, we didn’t get any calls during their run, but that wasn’t all the ref’s fault.

  123. Fans even taunting Chandler and Baron. This thing is going to be hot moving forward.

    The man hence forward named simply as “The Douche” was celebrating on his way out like the Pacers had just one the Eastern Conference Finals. What an idiot

  124. Frank o. C’mon, did u watch the game? How do you get anyone involved when your pg is incompetent.

  125. Michael Cline:
    The rivalry is back! I love it. I hate that we lost this game. It really hurts. But I love the physical nature of it all

    You’re kidding, right? This was by far the worst loss of the season and probably a harbinger of things to come….worse than boston loss which started a nightmare downward spiral…they really needed to pull this one out…wouldn’t be surprised if they go 0-4 now on these 4 tough games and on their way out of playoffs…hope to be wrong, but….

  126. Even teams with a go-to scorer can have Nuggets-esque 4 quarters. This was only 1 example…

  127. I have a bad feeling the Bucks will be in the 8th seed by the end of their game on Saturday night.

    Although just noticed Orlando is missing Nelson, Anderson and Dwight tonight so Knicks could win on Thursday if a couple of them miss that game too but all it will mean is they will have to win Sunday to stay alone in 8th. Although I guess Portland could maybe win in Milwaukee on Saturday but doubt it.

    Whatever I said the other day when Lin was officially out my expectations were lowered dramatically so I cant be a hypocrite and get frustrated right now. Although its pretty hard not to lol

  128. Not that it’s any consolation, but we beat these guys 9 out of 10 times when we have all our guys. And Indiana is probably the only team in the NBA not hit by the injury bug this year, so their record is very deceiving.

  129. Baron must be delusional about his lost athleticism. He thinks he can beat his man off the dribble, jack up off-balance jump shots, pass the ball through 3 guys in the paint, and BLOCK GRANGER FROM BEHIND WHILE HE’S TAKING A CONTESTED SHOT WITH THE SHOT CLOCK WINDING DOWN…. but he’s an old, old, old man now. An old man that refuses to play like one.

  130. Frank O.:
    We got one dimensional in the 4th.
    When was the last time Novak touched the ball?

    hard to imagine losing this game with competent point guard who could help create shots for himself and others.

    very difficult to win in this league when your point guards go 3-15 for 9pts with just 5 assists.

  131. If the Knicks had worked things out earlier in the season and not had these injuries, we’d be looking at a fantastic first round playoff matchup between these two teams. Damn.

  132. There are no solutions. Basically the season rides on the game at Milwaukee and without a pg, hard to be optimistic.

  133. art vandelay: You’re kidding, right? This was by far the worst loss of the season and probably a harbinger of things to come….worse than boston loss which started a nightmare downward spiral…they really needed to pull this one out…wouldn’t be surprised if they go 0-4 now on these 4 tough games and on their way out of playoffs…hope to be wrong, but….

    I don’t think they’ll go in the tank, but this was probably the game they needed to sneak back into the Atlantic.

    At the end of the day, missing 3 of your core rotation players starts to have an effect.

  134. I don’t buy the Melo thing. Melo pretty much scored every time he got the ball. The biggest problem was the offensive rebounds, but that was compounded by Davis’s complete failure to run an offense as well as a few bad shots from JR Smith.

    On the Pacers’ end, the biggest play of the game was Shumpert’s flagrant, because it took David West out of the game, and with a more mobile team out there, the Pacers did a better job of preventing Melo from taking shots.

  135. JR Sec 112:
    There are no solutions.Basically the season rides on the game at Milwaukee and without a pg, hard to be optimistic.

    melo’s never missed the playoffs. Chandler has too much pride to let it slip away. This team will put up better fights when it comes down to lose or die. Sneak one in Orlando and you’re ok.

  136. This Old Knick I know blowing huge 4
    Wow outscored 40-17 in 4th. I miss 4QT Lin. Need someone score beside for Melo. 3-15 from our 3PG for total 9 pt.
    Is JJ coming back soon. Need bigger lineup. Gave up 16 OREB and minus on boards.

  137. max fisher-cohen:
    I don’t buy the Melo thing. Melo pretty much scored every time he got the ball. The biggest problem was the offensive rebounds, but that was compounded by Davis’s complete failure to run an offense as well as a few bad shots from JR Smith.

    On the Pacers’ end, the biggest play of the game was Shumpert’s flagrant, because it took David West out of the game, and with a more mobile team out there, the Pacers did a better job of preventing Melo from taking shots.

    Yeah, but my gosh, he had those two threes that rolled out. I’ve never seen a guy miss as many shots that roll around the rim like Melo has this year…. Could have been a 16-18 point quarter and a win if he had any luck this season.

  138. I blame this one on poor lineup decisions, especially in the early fourth quarter. I heard the announcers on TV and on radio comment on the strangeness of the lineups. The Pacers made us look very small.

    Melo did play iso to an extreme, but there wasn’t much else to go to.

  139. A few points…

    1. If Novak is going to rub it in their faces when he hits a three to put the Knicks up 17, we can’t complain when Granger rubs it in the Knicks’ faces when he hits a three to give them their first lead since the first quarter. I love Novak’s shooting, but the belt thing is often bush league. I don’t mind it in a big moment, but you can’t break that shit out in the third quarter, dude.

    2. Melo had a very good game. Can’t blame him that the team is so decimated that he is the only dude who can do anything on offense.

    3. Can Novak not get screens set by anyone but Jeffries?

    4. It is like Shump and Fields share one power source – when Shump is up, Fields is down. When Fields is up, Shump is down.

    5. On the Fields point, I don’t know what Woody was thinking keeping Fields on the bench so much in the game. Very weird.

    6. Chandler can’t get beat by Amundson.

    7. Yeah, it is a tough loss. Possibly one of the three worst losses of the season, but it’s only one loss. Shit happens. They’re still a game up on the Bucks. The Bucks aren’t going to win every game.

  140. Doug:
    Baron must be delusional about his lost athleticism. He thinks he can beat his man off the dribble, jack up off-balance jump shots, pass the ball through 3 guys in the paint, and BLOCK GRANGER FROM BEHIND WHILE HE’S TAKING A CONTESTED SHOT WITH THE SHOT CLOCK WINDING DOWN…. but he’s an old, old, old man now. An old man that refuses to play like one.

    he doesn’t have an old man game though. Poor shooter. just doesn’t have the skill set to fall back on to be decent when he doesn;t have his body…..

  141. Z-man:
    I blame this one on poor lineup decisions, especially in the early fourth quarter. I heard the announcers on TV and on radio comment on the strangeness of the lineups.The Pacers made us look very small.

    Melo did play iso to an extreme, but there wasn’t much else to go to.

    More Jorts? Knicks had enough struggles spacing and scoring as is…..

    before this road trip I talked about the need for 3 of the 5 guys to play solid, efficient games on offense. I knew Melo was going to roll hard, but tonight you only got one of the guys to step up. tonight was an opportunity for JR, Shump, Baron or Douglas to provide some support…. they combined to go 8-24

  142. Also, Barbosa was being a bit of a jerk at the end of the game, but JR, dude, you can’t chuck guys to the ground. What were you thinking? I guess he wasn’t thinking. That was the problem.

  143. brutal PG play, ugh. I think we’re in 9th place by this time next week, Brian.

  144. ruruland: hard to imagine losing this game with competent point guard who could help create shots for himself and others.

    very difficult to win in this league when your point guards go 3-15 for 9pts with just 5 assists.

    Agreed

  145. brutal PG play, ugh. I think we’re in 9th place by this time next week, Brian.

    Obviously it is a real possibility. I wouldn’t dream of saying otherwise. But come on, Milwaukee is, what, two games under .500? Yet we’re presuming they’ll win every game?

  146. Woodson subbing was horrible tonight. If we going play 4qt Melo iso, give me bigger lineup to rebound and defend.
    Fields playing pretty good defense I would taken BD out.
    BD really suck since Lin been out.

  147. Brian Cronin: Obviously it is a real possibility. I wouldn’t dream of saying otherwise. But come on, Milwaukee is, what, two games under .500? Yet we’re presuming they’ll win every game?

    I would be completely shocked if Melo and Chandler allowed this team to miss the playoffs.

  148. Another Woody critique. The Knicks were rested. They don’t have a game tomorrow. night. So why in the fuck were Smith and Fields seeing so much bench time? The Bibby/Douglas backcourt was one of the dumbest ideas I’ve seen since…well, since the last time D’Antoni did it.

  149. More on the Woody playing time issue. I was just rewinding and watching the game again and did Fields seriously sit the entire fourth quarter until there was roughly a minute left in the game? And then as soon as he comes in, he helps steal the ball? What the fuck? How dumb is that? What did Fields show Woody that he didn’t think he should be on the court while the Knicks were in the midst of giving up a 15 point lead? It never occurs to him to try to mix things up while they’re getting mauled by the Pacers?

  150. ruruland: More Jorts? Knicks had enough struggles spacing and scoring as is…..

    before this road trip I talked about the need for 3 of the 5 guys to play solid, efficient games on offense. I knew Melo was going to roll hard, but tonight you only got one of the guys to step up. tonight was an opportunity for JR, Shump, Baron or Douglas to provide some support…. they combined to go 8-24

    Field probably should been other getting 20 + tonight and Woodson took him out too early. Doesn’t mean we would have won, but guy been struggling and take out when he actually scoring.

  151. This game just killed me. Any votes to at least explore another point guard from the D League. Maybe we can catch a break. Just someone who knocks down a couple of shots, can set up our scorers and does not: (1) have delusions of grandeur; (2) is embalmed; or (3)wtfknowswhatTDDorwhy. Seriously, it feels like the beginning of the year when the One play was so very awful. Also, why did Fields sit so long in a game where he looked sharp and effective. I was really high on BD, but he is starting to wear me down. I thought the coaching was quite poor tonight.

  152. Brian Cronin: 1. If Novak is going to rub it in their faces when he hits a three to put the Knicks up 17, we can’t complain when Granger rubs it in the Knicks’ faces when he hits a three to give them their first lead since the first quarter. I love Novak’s shooting, but the belt thing is often bush league. I don’t mind it in a big moment, but you can’t break that shit out in the third quarter, dude.

    I disagree. Real talk: half the fun with Novak’s discount triple check is that he’s a lanky, pale, dorky, 6’10 white guy whose only NBA-level skill is three point shooting. This is a guy that looks like he doesn’t belong out there, and yet he is.

    JC Knickfan:
    Is JJ coming back soon. Need bigger lineup. Gave up 16 OREB and minus on boards.

    Great point, if Jeffries is in there no way Lou !@#$ Amundson corrals that many loose balls.

    ruruland: he doesn’t have an old man game though. Poor shooter. just doesn’t have the skill set to fall back on to be decent when he doesn;t have his body…..

    But you’d think he’d at least try to slow himself down. People always talk about how his court vision is so good that he always attempts the difficult home run passes. Can’t he just…. focus on making the simple play?

  153. Brian Cronin: Obviously it is a real possibility. I wouldn’t dream of saying otherwise. But come on, Milwaukee is, what, two games under .500? Yet we’re presuming they’ll win every game?

    Brian, the Bucks lately have blown out every non-playoff team they have played (something like 9 in a row). If part of the Knicks playoff hopes is relying on the Bucks losing the Knicks are screwed because the Bucks schedule is beyond pathetic the rest of this season.

  154. ruruland: Yeah, but my gosh, he had those two threes that rolled out. I’ve never seen a guy miss as many shots that roll around the rim like Melo has this year…. Could have been a 16-18 point quarter and a win if he had any luck this season.

    Or if Granger hadn’t made BS 3 after BS 3… or if the officials had called a somewhat reasonable game… Knicks have issues, but they’ve had a really hard time this season getting any luck to fall their way this season. It’s one reason their point differential has them as much better than their record.

  155. Brian Cronin:
    Hopefully Miami at least holds on to beat Philly.

    Damn, you are optimistic. You still think the Knicks can catch Philly?????? lol

  156. Brian Cronin:
    More on the Woody playing time issue. I was just rewinding and watching the game again and did Fields seriously sit the entire fourth quarter until there was roughly a minute left in the game? And then as soon as he comes in, he helps steal the ball? What the fuck? How dumb is that? What did Fields show Woody that he didn’t think he should be on the court while the Knicks were in the midst of giving up a 15 point lead? It never occurs to him to try to mix things up while they’re getting mauled by the Pacers?

    There was no reason for it based on how Landry was playing. It was more like “standard rotations, move along.”

  157. New Guy:
    Btw, RuRu, this is why that 42 point 4Q to the Pacers wasn’t an outlier.;)

    No, tonight was the outlier. (They’re both actually outliers)The end of the bench was in that night in a non-competitve situation.

  158. I disagree. Real talk: half the fun with Novak’s discount triple check is that he’s a lanky, pale, dorky, 6’10 white guy whose only NBA-level skill is three point shooting. This is a guy that looks like he doesn’t belong out there, and yet he is.

    Dude’s in his, what, sixth NBA season? It’s not like he’s some Cinderella story. I don’t mind him doing the belt period, but when he breaks it out when the Knicks go up 17 in the third, even if you’re cool with it, you also have to be cool with Granger doing the same thing. Just like the Knicks and the Pacers with the “L” and whatever that thing Mark Jackson used to do. We would never give Jackson shit for breaking out the…whatever he did, because we loved it when Johnson did the L.

  159. Yeah, agreed. Why do we need to play 10 guys every night? Especially w a light schedule this week. Can we just sit bibby? And how could there not be a better guard in the d league than bibby? Or douglas?

    This game is an easy win w Lin. That’s kinda the good news. Solid playoff team at home and if we just have ANY pg, we win.

    I’m dreaming of this team w Nash and Lin….I think we could win the whole thing.

  160. Juany8: Or if Granger hadn’t made BS 3 after BS 3… or if the officials had called a somewhat reasonable game… Knicks have issues, but they’ve had a really hard time this season getting any luck to fall their way this season. It’s one reason their point differential has them as much better than their record.

    have they won a close game this year outside of Philly. Don’t recal one. They’ve lost seemingly every 4th quarter game.

  161. This one reallllllllllly hurts especially with a banged up orlandO

    But if they beat Orlando, this loss doesn’t hurt as much. The problem is that Orlando has time to get healthier and if they are any sort of NBA team at all, they’ll be pumped for Thursday’s game at home. But if the Knicks can somehow beat Orlando…

  162. This game had nothin to do with Lin the team just got trounced in the 4th….they were up 17 with awful BD

    JR Sec 112:
    Yeah, agreed.Why do we need to play 10 guys every night?Especially w a light schedule this week. Can we just sit bibby?And how could there not be a better guard in the d league than bibby?Or douglas?

    This game is an easy win w Lin.That’s kinda the good news.Solid playoff team at home and if we just have ANY pg, we win.

    I’m dreaming of this team w Nash and Lin….I think we could win the whole thing.

  163. This game had nothin to do with Lin the team just got trounced in the 4th….they were up 17 with awful BD

    Do you think they blow a 15 point 4th quarter lead with Lin in there? No way (remember the last game against Indiana when Lin saved the team from a similar collapse?). As others mentioned, that’s actually a bit of a good thing, because if Lin can return in time for the playoffs, it really does help the team a lot.

  164. Wow, just caught the last 7 minutes. BRUTAL….

    I have to say, I couldn’t believe Melo missed that three. I was sure it was going down…..

  165. This game had nothin to do with Lin the team just got trounced in the 4th….they were up 17 with awful BD

    Seriously? What game were you watching? The offense and defense broke down w Davis. Reason they were up was Melo. The last 3 games – loss to atl, struggle over CLE, this loss- have EVERYTHING to do with not having Lin.

  166. Just saw the final box score. Melo took 31 FGA, JR 11 and nobody else in double digits.

  167. There was no reason for it based on how Landry was playing. It was more like “standard rotations, move along.”

    It did seem like that, didn’t it? Just like when Fields got lifted in the first. It was when he normally gets lifted, so he got lifted, even though he was on fire at the time. Woody was notable when he took over because of his seeming flexibility, so this is could be a worrisome sign.

  168. “But, throughout the game, they got a lot of mileage out of isolation and 3-pointers. Both of these can go away, and they did in the fourth. Carmelo Anthony is a great player, and the Knicks have plenty of shooters, but, it’s ball movement and that ugly, aggressive brand of defense that makes this New York team good. Those need to be the foundation.”

    Tim Donahue ESPN. I’m amazed at how little knowledge NBA beat reporters have of the game. You can’t create ball movement without penetration or double teams, unless it’s hot potato around the perimeter. Melo is the guy who creates double teams (or eats you up 1-1 like tonight) if the guards aren’t getting in the lane, you aren’t going to get ball movement. It’s always Melo’s fault.

  169. This game had more to do with depth than 1 player…melo was the only one making shots…the Indiana game with Lin had a full strength team

    Brian Cronin: Do you think they blow a 15 point 4th quarter lead with Lin in there? No way (remember the last game against Indiana when Lin saved the team from a similar collapse?). As others mentioned, that’s actually a bit of a good thing, because if Lin can return in time for the playoffs, it really does help the team a lot.

  170. Owen:
    Wow, just caught the last 7 minutes. BRUTAL….

    I couldn’t believe Melo missed that three.

    You can’t be serious.

  171. Melo was straight up awesome and even if jj was in (instead of jorts, who I am rapidly realizing totally sucks) maybe we win.

  172. As the olthers are noting, er, the Knicks point guards had a terrible game, especially when it came to breaking down the Indiana defense (which was why Melo had to play hero ball. I don’t think anyone would blame Melo for playing hero ball tonight – he had to). If Lin is in there, it is a major positive difference.

  173. Brian Cronin:
    What was a dumber play by JR? The foul after the missed Melo three or him throwing Barbosa to the ground?

    I thought the foul was clean strip. The game was over with the barbosa flagrant. The killer was the faux offensive foul on Chandler, adn the Davis foul on Granger with one second on the clock.

  174. er:
    This game had more to do with depth than 1 player…melo was the only one making shots…the Indiana game with Lin had a full strength team

    Yeah, it wouldn’t be about 1 player if they had a competent backup pg, but as has been proven time and time and time again, without Lin, their pgs are the worst in the nba. Which makes it about 1 player.

  175. Brian Cronin: Obviously it is a real possibility. I wouldn’t dream of saying otherwise. But come on, Milwaukee is, what, two games under .500? Yet we’re presuming they’ll win every game?

    they haven’t lost to a non-playoff team in something like two months, and they’ve been blowing them all out recently. their three remaining games this week are against Cleveland, Charlotte, and Portland, so I would say “yes” and hope to be wrong.

  176. Brian Cronin: Dude’s in his, what, sixth NBA season? It’s not like he’s some Cinderella story. I don’t mind him doing the belt period, but when he breaks it out when the Knicks go up 17 in the third, even if you’re cool with it, you also have to be cool with Granger doing the same thing. Just like the Knicks and the Pacers with the “L” and whatever that thing Mark Jackson used to do.

    My problem with it is that here is hot stuff All Star Danny Granger, rubbing it in the face of a bench player.

  177. One more depressing thing about this game was the realization (reminder) that Toney Douglas is just a flat out bad basketball player

  178. Brian Cronin: I thought the last two were going down.

    So many of his jumpers have rolled around like that this year. It’s crazy. he had 4 of those tonight. There will be a few games down the stretchwhen they all go down. Knicks won’t lose those

  179. Lol that’s what I’m saying but u phrased it as Lin wouldn’t let it happen like he’s some kinda super hero

    JR Sec 112: Yeah, it wouldn’t be about 1 player if they had a competent backup pg, but as has been proven time and time and time again, without Lin, their pgs are the worst in the nba.Which makes it about 1 player.

    I agree ….no one else was makin anything….melo has to be the only player to get criticized for a damn near 40 10 game

    ruruland:
    “But, throughout the game, they got a lot of mileage out of isolation and 3-pointers. Both of these can go away, and they did in the fourth. Carmelo Anthony is a great player, and the Knicks have plenty of shooters, but, it’s ball movement and that ugly, aggressive brand of defense that makes this New York team good. Those need to be the foundation.”

    Tim Donahue ESPN. I’m amazed at how little knowledge NBA beat reporters have of the game. You can’t create ball movement without penetration or double teams, unless it’s hot potato around the perimeter. Melo is the guy who creates double teams (or eats you up 1-1 like tonight) if the guards aren’t getting in the lane, you aren’t going to get ball movement. It’s always Melo’s fault.

  180. Owen:

    Wow, just caught the last 7 minutes. BRUTAL….
    I couldn’t believe Melo missed that three.

    Ruruland: You can’t be serious.

    I said “I was sure it was going down.” Not sure why you edited that out….

  181. If Melo and Lin get better chemistry and they play 2-man ball, they can be great closing combo. Plus both of them can get to line.

  182. jon abbey: you’re taking that the wrong way, don’t be so sensitive.

    I know how he was trying to come off. But he can’t make that claim given what he’s said about Melo’s shooting. Why would he believe that ball would go down?

  183. Tough loss, but not one of the absolute worst of the season for me. They were playing a pretty darn good team on the road and barely lost. The way they lost makes it worse but the actual result isn’t that bad. One more break or one more guy playing well and we’re talking about a really nice win. The defense at times was phenomenal and Melo was everything you could ask for. Tyson was a beast for 3 quarters.

    Having said that, there were a lot of negatives tonight. With every passing game it looks less and less likely that Baron is going to be able to even partially replace Lin. He was just terrible tonight and terrible in the way you wouldn’t expect him to be terrible. He showed a complete lack of understanding of the game situation in the fourth quarter, trying for crazy plays when all we needed was a calm hand on the tiller to slow things down. He played like a rookie. Woodson has done a really nice job overall, but there’s probably a reason he was never considered a really good coach in ATL, and he was horrible tonight. In a critical game with an off day yesterday and an off day tomorrow and a light schedule this whole week playing that big a rotation was ridiculous. When everyone is healthy and your 10th guy is Fields or Jeffries then a deep rotation is smart. When it’s Bibby then you avoid it at all costs, and there was no reason for it tonight.

    The other big issue I saw was that the offense did stagnate when Melo started playing iso in the 4th. Not Melo’s fault as he needed to do it, but the other guys need to figure out how to play off it more effectively if that’s how we’re going to play in tight spots going forward. A few guys (Shump specifically) also seemed to lose their energy on D when they stopped seeing the ball on O. That’s a natural reaction but they have to fight it when Melo has it going because he is going to rightfully dominate the shots.

  184. Kelly Tripucka on the post-game was knocking Fields. “He started well. You hoped it would continue, but it didn’t.” Huh? Dude didn’t play!

  185. Lin isn’t a superhero. But he’s an above average pg. when you go from worst pg play in the league to above average, that’s the difference between missing playoffs and potentially contending. Er, I guess you were watching a different basketball game or you are just blinded by hate for Lin. It’s an indisputable fact he’s a huge upgrade over Davis.

  186. Or did I edit it in, I can’t remember…

    Either way, Melo looked like he couldn’t be stopped, that’s what I meant….

  187. Owen:
    Or did I edit it in, I can’t remember…

    Either way, Melo looked like he couldn’t be stopped, that’s what I meant….

    C’mon dude he has a 136 WS/48 going into tonight. Total freak game all slightly above average players have every blue moon. let’s move along with more serious discussion.

  188. It’s an indisputable fact he’s a huge upgrade over Davis.

    I don’t even think it is necessarily Lin vs. Davis, so much as it is Davis vs. Bibby/2012 Douglas. Davis is good enough to be a major part of this team, but when he is the starter, you’re relying on some seriously weak bench point guards (so when Woody played both of them at the same time it was mind-boggling) and you don’t have someone to go back to if Davis starts to weaken.

  189. I guess no one thinking Davis should starting over Lin anymore.
    Strange thing was BD was playing pretty good with 2nd unit and average more assist per48 over Lin. WTF happened?

  190. Also, should be noted that Chandler’s problems might stem from his groin injury. Like Melo, he hasn’t had the same lift of late.

  191. When did I say I hate Lin I love him..just saying it’s a depth thing and they were up 17 with terrible pgs

    JR Sec 112:
    Lin isn’t a superhero.But he’s an above average pg.when you go from worst pg play in the league to above average, that’s the difference between missing playoffs and potentially contending.Er, I guess you were watching a different basketball game or you are just blinded by hate for Lin. It’s an indisputable fact he’s a huge upgrade over Davis.

  192. If Melo is going to make 17 of 31 shots every game he can go hero ball all game long as far as Im concerned. Although only 5 FTA?? I only saw basically the 4th quarter but was he not getting much of a whistle throughout the game??

  193. U seem to be the hater my friend

    JC Knickfan:
    I guess no one thinking Davis should starting over Lin anymore.
    Strange thing was BD was playing pretty good with 2nd unit and average more assist per48 over Lin.WTF happened?

  194. ruruland: I know how he was trying to come off. But he can’t make that claim given what he’s said about Melo’s shooting. Why would he believe that ball would go down?

    It’s possible to simultaneously understand that Melo isn’t a particularly good 3 pt shooter (that fact isn’t disputed is it?) and still believe that he will make an individual shot. He was clearly feeling it, it looked good out of his hand, it just felt like it was going in. That has very little to do with whether Melo is a good 3 pt shooter overall.

  195. If Melo is going to make 17 of 31 shots every game he can go hero ball all game long as far as Im concerned. Although only 5 FTA?? I only saw basically the 4th quarter but was he not getting much of a whistle throughout the game??

    Like I said, he obviously had to play that way tonight as it was him or nothing, but the hope is that Melo shouldn’t have to take 31 shots because his teammates will be helping him out. Which was weird then when the only other hot Knick got benched nearly the entire fourth.

  196. JC Knickfan:
    I guess no one thinking Davis should starting over Lin anymore.
    Strange thing was BD was playing pretty good with 2nd unit and average more assist per48 over Lin.WTF happened?

    he was playing well with the second team in an up-tempo game… he was getting into the lane earlier in the year. he’s playing injured right now, as is Chandler. It’s the most depleted team in the NBA…

  197. Brian Cronin: I don’t even think it is necessarily Lin vs. Davis, so much as it is Davis vs. Bibby/2012 Douglas. Davis is good enough to be a major part of this team, but when he is the starter, you’re relying on some seriously weak bench point guards (so when Woody played both of them at the same time it was mind-boggling) and you don’t have someone to go back to if Davis starts to weaken.

    I think baron can put in 15min per game, but he can’t start in this league anymore. He’s washed up and a year or two away from actually being bibby level. Let’s remember bibby in his prime was better than baron.

  198. thenamestsam: It’s possible to simultaneously understand that Melo isn’t a particularly good 3 pt shooter (that fact isn’t disputed is it?) and still believe that he will make an individual shot. He was clearly feeling it, it looked good out of his hand, it just felt like it was going in. That has very little to do with whether Melo is a good 3 pt shooter overall.

    What can be learned from watching the game???? The fact that Owen anticipated a shot going in means absolutely nothing. IConsidering how awful Melo is as a 3pt shooter, it was extremely likely to go down as a miss on the box-score. That’s all that matters.

  199. Brian Cronin:
    By the way, my bad, Milwaukee is three games under .500. So they’re actually worse than I thought.

    The question to me is whether their amazing record against non-playoff teams will continue. Their overall record suggests that they would have a good chance of dropping any one of those games against the lower echelon of the league, but they’ve been inexplicably effective against those teams compared to their struggles vs. everyone else. The question is whether that’s just a freak random occurrence or whether they really have a unique strength against terrible teams.

  200. ruruland: What can be learned from watching the game???? The fact that Owen anticipated a shotgoing in means absolutely nothing. IConsidering how awful Melo is as a 3pt shooter, it was extremely likely to go down as a miss on the box-score. That’s all that matters.

    I respect your knowledge of the game a lot, but this is not an effective form of argumentation. Exaggerating someone else’s points to make them look like an idiot is pretty childish and doesn’t seem necessary to me.

    Saying that people who doubt Melo’s overall game can’t ever say anything positive about him is asinine. We all root for the Knicks and we all wanted him to make that shot and because we’re all fans we all believed that shot was going in. That’s what it means to be a fan. When we analyze we take our fan caps off for the most part and try to break down the game rationally, but that doesn’t mean the fan isn’t still there when its gametime.

  201. The bucks have been a lot better since ilyasova emerged. And now they have ellis to take the pressure off Jennings. Add in gooden playing out of his gourd and they have the rebounding and shooting to blow out bad teams in a hurry. Skiles gets the most out of his guys. I don’t see them losing the next 3.

  202. Well psyche Melo has his shoot back. If Knicks hold on 8th seed love see team vs Bulls. Look like Amare will back before end season since actually travel with team. I presume JJ be back by next week. Maybe we struck gold have Lin back 4week and ready for playoff. The 10 man rotation Lin, shump, Melo, amare, TC, fields, novak, BD, JR, JJ is very formidable.

  203. The Bucks have outscored their opponents on the season despite being under .500. Not to the extent the Knicks have but they “should” be .500 right now. Of course the Knicks “should” have 31 wins now according to their point differential.

  204. Oh, and don’t forget dunleavy having reinvented himself as a deadly shooter. They have a lot of weapons now.

  205. ruruland:
    It’s an indisputable fact he’s a huge upgrade over Da

    wtf is wrong with you? enough with the “whole world is against melo” BS. brutal loss so I come here for some knick fan commiseration and have to deal with your sarcastic melo martyrdom every 5th post. get off the fukin cross already.

  206. 2FOR18: wtf is wrong with you?enough with the “whole world is against melo” BS.brutal loss so I come here for some knick fan commiseration and have to deal with your sarcastic melo martyrdom every 5th post.get off the fukin cross already.

    Give me a break. Every win where Melo shot poorly became a referendum on the damn Trade. Back off.

  207. Orlando lost 4 (2 at home) in row including to Detroit tonight. This could be good if they continue their downward spiral or bad if have 3pt barrage break out.

  208. thenamestsam: I respect your knowledge of the game a lot, but this is not an effective form of argumentation. Exaggerating someone else’s points to make them look like an idiot is pretty childish and doesn’t seem necessary to me.

    Saying that people who doubt Melo’s overall game can’t ever say anything positive about him is asinine. We all root for the Knicks and we all wanted him to make that shot and because we’re all fans we all believed that shot was going in. That’s what it means to be a fan. When we analyze we take our fan caps off for the most part and try to break down the game rationally, but that doesn’t mean the fan isn’t still there when its gametime.

    I’m just frustrated and irritated with Owen.

  209. 2FOR18: wtf is wrong with you?enough with the “whole world is against melo” BS.brutal loss so I come here for some knick fan commiseration and have to deal with your sarcastic melo martyrdom every 5th post.get off the fukin cross already.

    Where were you the last three months?

  210. Didn’t see the game just checked the box score. 4th looked pretty bad 40-17. My suggestions for rapid reaction thread is to give any Knick who played in the forth quarter an F.

  211. ruruland: I would be completely shocked if Melo and Chandler allowed this team to miss the playoffs.

    Re: This.

    I would be completely shocked if Melo got in shape enough to close games.

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