2012 Game Thread: Bulls v. Knicks

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337 thoughts to “2012 Game Thread: Bulls v. Knicks”

  1. best all-around defense I have seen knicks play all season long….and that says something!

  2. If the Knicks can keep this up, the only team I don’t want to see in the 1st round is Miami.

    Where does Tyson Chandler rank in the NBA? He’s gotta be top 15-20, even though he’s so limited offensively.

  3. And all the bulls points have come off of bogus foul calls except for the Hamilton And-1

  4. Holy, whoa! I just turned it on (it’s really too early for basketball here in CA!) 27-6?? We fo reals?

  5. Looks like Chandler had a professional grade funny bone episode. He couldn’t move his arm. He actually held the arm and watched the play without trying.

    But now he’s fine. Thank goodness!

  6. If that was Rose instead of Shumperrt Noah would’ve been thrown out of the game.

  7. Knicks getting pretty awful point guard play and yet still up 13. This has been a complete defensive effort.

  8. art vandelay:
    Knicks getting pretty awful point guard play and yet still up 13. This has been a complete defensive effort.

    Is it time for Woodson to open the crypt?

  9. I guess Ruruland has Easter obligations, because I think we’d be hearing from him here.

    ‘Melo looks fantastic.

  10. Losing this game would be even more demoralizing than the loss vs Indiana. Have to find a way to hold on and win this game.

  11. Lucky play at the end for Chicago. Melo’s first foul was complete bullshit. Should be up 13 still. The halftime guys are gonna crush us for only being up 8, watch.

  12. I’ll take the 8 point lead.

    Early Sunday games always give us a small hangover advantage in the beginning of the game, we just have to hold on now.

  13. I think Baron Davis has played his way out of a Knicks’ contract. Well, unless he goes all “2007 Warriors vs Dallas” in the 1st round.

  14. The good news is Philly is completely crapping the bed on their season, so now there’s 3 teams fighting for the last two spots rather than 2 teams for the last spot.

  15. If they had an average point guard in this game, lead would be much larger. Baron Davis is fucking useless. Just utterly useless.

  16. Lol, Jon Barry said, Thank God for JR Smith if you’re the bulls. That guy seriously loves chucking non stop.

  17. A lot of minutes for the non-Davis starters (all the starters heading towards 39 minutes) — not what you want on the first end of a back to back. If Davis and Douglas continue to struggle, there has to be another guy off the bench in the 2nd half. Shumpert especially, with the amount of effort he exerts on defense, cannot play 39 minutes. Davis seems hurt. I would give Toney extended run in the 2nd half and at least let Jorts see some daylight.

  18. Who do we root for tonight, BOS or PHI? I guess Philly because I don’t want the Heat in round 1.

  19. Frank O.:
    Expect the bulls to push back. Need more scoring from Knicks not named Melo.

    This. Nothing else is working in the half court. That’s what has me scared. Knicks will have to win this defensively, because they’re not getting anything from their guards.

  20. TheXman:
    Lol, Jon Barry said, Thank God for JR Smith if you’re the bulls.That guy seriously loves chucking non stop.

    Fields has been great, but J.R and Baron seriously need to start playing within the offense, too much forced stuff out there.

  21. Unless the defense is as monstrous as it was in the first quarter (a lot to ask) I think Knicks will lose if they get the same PG play from TD and Baron in 2nd half as in first…one of the two has to play at least marginally better than that putrid first half for us to win this one.

  22. Kikuchiyo:
    I guess Ruruland has Easter obligations, because I think we’d be hearing from him here.

    ‘Melo looks fantastic.

    Nah. A really good half but not that big of a deal. He does this. What I’m most pleased about his interior defense against Chicago bigs (very good offensive players)– including 4 possessions where he guarded the Bulls 5 (Gibson).

    I always knew Melo could be a great 4. Now it’s up to Woodson to figure out how to get Amar’e all of CHandler’s bench minutes at the 5, and 20+ minutes at the 4 for Melo.

  23. Bruno Almeida: Fields has been great, but J.R and Baron seriously need to start playing within the offense, too much forced stuff out there.

    Within the offense? The Bulls are breaking down the offense, forcing isolation offense.

    That’s what great defenses do.

    Without penetration you’re really forced into doing what they want.

  24. max fisher-cohen:
    A lot of minutes for the non-Davis starters (all the starters heading towards 39 minutes) — not what you want on the first end of a back to back.

    I think they have tomorrow off, no?

  25. ah you’re right, Z. somehow had it in my head that it was back to back games and back to back v. bulls.

  26. We are losing this no doubt about it. Melo is now shut down by Deng it’s over.

  27. I cant believe BD is so bad that I seriously prefer seeing TD starting for him now. Its insane.

  28. Fields is useless right now on offense and defense. I’d rather have Smith in honestly.

  29. Thank you Lord for Tyson Chandler who is the greatest of all thine miracles. Though that raising the dead thing was very impressive.

  30. So Blake Griffin can scowl to his heart’s content, but Shumpert gets called for a tech. This league is the worst sometimes.

  31. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!!!! Blake Griffin should Be T’d up after every one of his fucking dunks of that was a T. Seriously fuck these refs giving Chicago points.

  32. That was the second time I saw Shump get called for a T against lol Garnett of all people. Seriously a joke.

  33. Shump is out of his mind right now. That pass to chandler was amazing. And his D is just ridiculous.

  34. BigBlueAL:
    In fairness to Fields he had a great 1st half.

    Because he played within himself. Just made layups and cuts, he doesn’t need to take Noah 1-on-1. Jeezus christ fields, that play in itself led to a fast break back.

  35. Fields is so good at making cuts. He should probably stick to that

    TheXman: Because he played within himself.Just made layups and cuts, he doesn’t need to take Noah 1-on-1.Jeezus christ fields, that play in itself led to a fast break back.

  36. JR Smith to sign a new shoe deal with the Converse Company selling “Chucks”. Says a corporate spokesman “We feel it’s a perfect match.”

  37. JR SMITH NEUTRALIZING ALL OF SHUMP’S EFFORTS, PLEASE GET BACK TO THE BENCH PUT IN NOVAK.

  38. Bull steadily chipping away at the lead each quarter. Then wins by 2-3 points again.

  39. Watching this game doesnt make me look forward to a playoff series vs the Bulls.

  40. pathetic this is what happens against an elite team. we are not making the playoffs.

  41. BigBlueAL:
    Watching this game doesnt make me look forward to a playoff series vs the Bulls.

    I take back what I said about the Pacers game…this would indisputably be by far the worst loss of season!

  42. Knicks should just forfeit the game on Tuesday vs the Bulls so they could be fully rested vs the Bucks.

  43. Shumpert needs to play the entire fourth quarter and we need to run some plays fr Novak.

  44. BigBlueAL: doesnt make me look forward to a playoff series vs the Bulls.

    We are not making the playoffs. The Bucks are showing no signs of losing to bad teams.

  45. Where was the fucking D shown in the first quarter? No offense going on either, just iso plays for Melo and JR. Fuck’s sake.

  46. Lol the bulls have the best record in the league

    TheXman:
    Where was the fucking D shown in the first quarter?No offense going on either, just iso plays for Melo and JR.Fuck’s sake.

  47. I really want the Knicks to make the playoffs but in reality whats the point, just to see them get dominated in 4 games by the Bulls??

  48. Lol Baron, NOvak open on the trail. Baron elects to shoot and airball, SERIOUSLY BARON, FUCK YOU.

  49. The dream of every person who plays basketball is to play like one of the pros. With Baron Davis’ play today, I can say that I do play like a pro. Thanks Baron. I feel really good about myself now.

  50. The Crowd needs to start booing Baron for his terrible shots. Just stop shooting, you suck. You suck so bad.

  51. Jake S.:
    Why does no one even look for Novak on the break?

    Because JR wants to shoot more as he’s 2/13. Needs to get back to the mean average FG%. How the fuck is Korver open on the wing too, u serious? Jeezus.

  52. 2FOR18:
    holy crap.ruruland is Jeff Van Gundy!

    Haha. Yeah, Van Gundy and Breen sound like Ruru and Owen on any given day at Knickerblogger :)

  53. Wow all the negative nancys huh did anyone think the grizz wud crush Sa last yr?

    BigBlueAL:
    I really want the Knicks to make the playoffs but in reality whats the point, just to see them get dominated in 4 games by the Bulls??

  54. Man you guys always negative you think they are trying not to make shots. When they do your on the band wagon. Typical Knicks fan..

  55. How many more negative plays does JR need to do until he gets to the bench? Jeezus christ.

  56. Let’s stop calling Smith JR until he is hitting shots. For games like today just call him Chuck.

  57. Jake S.:
    Can we pull Smith already?

    As bad as his offense is, he is active on defense. And to be honest, who the hell else can we put out there that is better? I suppose you could go Chandler, Jeffries, Anthony, Shumpert, and Novak?

  58. Here’s to hoping JR doesn’t exercise that player option and becomes a FA next season!!!

  59. Man sucks they couldn’t take the lead with Rose on the bench…..that hurts.

  60. Thomas B.: As bad as his offense is, he is active on defense. And to be honest, who the hell else can we put out there that is better?I suppose you could go Chandler, Jeffries, Anthony, Shumpert, and Novak?

    He’s destroying them on offense right now. I think I’d rather see Fields or Douglas out there at the two.

  61. xcat01:
    Let’s stop calling Smith JR until he is hitting shots.For games like today just call him Chuck.

    No thanks. We had a Chuck Smith once. (In fact, he played a game once against the Bulls, if memory serves me well…)

  62. Knicks just have nothing on offense. Our guards just blow.

    Rose with an and-one. Game over.

  63. lol what a joke, good game boys. At least the off season starts sooner. No easy baskets at all, offense is terrible.

  64. Knicks are not making playoffs….this game clinched it for me….even if they did…for what?

  65. JK47:
    Knicks just have nothing on offense. Our guards just blow.

    Rose with an and-one. Game over.

    They needed to get anything above absolutely putrid from Davis and TD and they got just plain putrid in both halves.

  66. Smith and Baron just killing us. this team is totally tied to them right now.

    and Fields was not good in the first half, stop looking at box scores and watch games.

  67. I wouldn’t trade Shumpert for Faried and the #20 pick in the first round, let alone even up.

  68. TheXman:
    Melo’s getting triple teamed and no one stepping up.

    Well, Smith is, technically, stepping up… He’s just striking out once he’s up.

  69. er:
    K later man

    I meant if they were at full strength of course it would be different story….maybe they get 2/5 of the starting lineup back and it is different story….I have a LOT of faith in this team at full strength….unfortunately, they have hardly been at full strength this season.

  70. People complain that the Knicks didnt run plays with D’Antoni, what the hell are they running right now??

  71. wow, that was surprising.

    absolutely nothing from Davis/Smith/TD/Novak today. any of those guys does anything and we win.

  72. TheXman:
    The mystery T called on Shumper looks like may be a big factor.

    looked like he yelled at the ref after dunking.

  73. Time keeper let an extra second tick off after the TO was called… Come on home cooker, we may need that second!

  74. Doug:
    I’d like to see Faried shut down an elite PF like that.

    I watched him last night, GA seemed to dunk at will when he was on the court. but whoo, PER!

  75. jon abbey: I watched him last night, GA seemed to dunk at will when he was on the court. but whoo, PER!

    I’d rather start Faried at the point over Davis.

  76. Started on a 27-6 run,
    Ended on a 10-0 run.

    The 87-61 run by the Bulls in between hurt, though :)

  77. How many deflections did Shump get tho, kid is like a throwback from the old Knicks. Glad we have him and Chandler on this team.

  78. Z:
    Started on a 27-6 run,
    Ended on a 10-0 run.

    The 87-61 run by the Bulls in between hurt, though :)

    that doesn’t add up.

  79. I don’t know what to say….when was last time a team bricked so many FTs at MSG to give us a shot and we capitalized? can’t even recall

  80. BigBlueAL:
    Knicks should you know try to play some fucking defense in OT.

    The weakest part of Shump’s defense is the pick and roll. He doesn’t see the screen coming and gets caught.

  81. Does anyone know how to drive the lane anymore? It is ALL three pointers it seems.

  82. shump should not be shooting that pull up 3 with that much time left.
    a little coaching might help in this overtime.

  83. KnickInSeattle:
    shump should not be shooting that pull up 3 with that much time left.
    a little coaching might help in this overtime.

    it’s not like they get better shots when they go deep into the shot clock, they have no PG. Smith and Shumpert should be taking most of these shots, they just need to make more.

  84. Bulls are screwed if they play the Knicks in the playoffs!!!! :-)

    Great, fun, amazing game. Regardless of what happens rest of this season gotta love rooting for this team right now.

  85. ALL YATERS THIS YOU MELO HATERS THIS IN NOW OFFICALLY A PLAYOFF TEAM & MELO’S TEAM…….LOOK OUT NBA WHEN STAT COMES BACK WE WILL BE A TOUGH OUT….

  86. Thomas B.:
    Shump can’t get caught on a screen again here….

    He went through the screen, literally. (I’m surprised they let it slide, considering the refs hate everything Shump does :)

  87. my god what a game, mr.Anthony was absolutely insane, fantastic job.

    and Shumpert is a fucking genius on defense, the way he adjusted after getting beaten on that Rose – Noah pick and roll a few times was incredible… if you watch the last play, he calls Fields and switches with him, because he figured the play out and knew Rose would run him through some screens, because of the switch he was able to pick up Rose at the 3pt line and basically kill the play.

    Chandler saved us on that offensive rebound too.

  88. Z: He went through the screen, literally. (I’m surprised they let it slide, considering the refs hate everything Shump does :)

    Melo doesn’t have an elite skill. No such thing as closers.

  89. Melo with some heroball antics working there!! We got lucky honestly, Bulls aren’t screwed in the playoffs. The Knicks were up 21 points in the first quarter, then got grinded down by the Bulls. Bulls played great D, just had some unforced errors at the FT line. Overall, we lucked out big time. But I’ll take it, I don’t know if we can move up to the 6th spot, gotta try!

  90. Un. Believable. I thought for sure this one was cooked on at least four or five different occasions. What an incredible win.

    We don’t have our PG or PF, and in a lot of ways we played really poorly, but we still managed to beat the best team in the NBA. At some point, whether it’s next year or whatever, I really hope we get to make a run with everybody healthy.

  91. TheXman:
    Melo with some heroball antics working there!! We got lucky honestly, Bulls aren’t screwed in the playoffs.The Knicks were up 21 points in the first quarter, then got grinded down by the Bulls.Bulls played great D, just had some unforced errors at the FT line.Overall, we lucked out big time.But I’ll take it, I don’t know if we can move up to the 6th spot, gotta try!

    Right, the Knicks got lucky. The Bulls played just their 12th game all year with full health. The Knicks played without a point guard.

    Missed free throws?

    How about double digit missed 3pters.

    get the fuck outta here with “lucky’

  92. if Lin can contribute anything when he comes back, I’m pretty optimistic.

  93. Great game Really exciting reminds me of the last minute win inToronto with Lin hitting the 3 pointer.

  94. garfangle:
    If we got any PG play it wouldn’t have been a nail-bitter.

    this couldn’t be more true…they won in spite of some of the worst PG play we have seen all year, prompting woodson to not even play a PG the last 15 minutes of the game or so….

  95. ruruland: Right, the Knicks got lucky. The Bulls played just their 12th game all year with full health. The Knicks played without a point guard.

    Missed free throws?

    How about double digit missed 3pters.

    get the fuck outta here with“lucky’

    yeah, this is a game where we’ve been UNLUCKY all game long, that Novak ball just doesn’t rims out, it was just pure bad luck, it was a perfect play and a perfect shot (and a great pass by Carmelo).

  96. JLam:
    Great gameReally exciting reminds me of the last minute win inToronto with Lin hitting the 3 pointer.

    This game reminds me nothing of Toronto. The Knicks defeated the best team in the NBA at full strength without a point guard and missing innumerable open 3 pt shots.

  97. umm please don’t compare the raptors to the bulls thanx

    JLam:
    Great gameReally exciting reminds me of the last minute win inToronto with Lin hitting the 3 pointer.

  98. Doug:
    Did we luck out or did the Bulls choke? You decide.

    Neither.

    If that’s the case then Bulls choked against the Heat last year (Rose missing free throws with lead in two of their losses).

    Both teams choked. The Knicks, out-manned and undermanned had more heart.

    Like I said after Indy, Melo and Chandler will not let this team miss the playoffs.

  99. Bruno Almeida:
    if Lin can contribute anything when he comes back, I’m pretty optimistic.

    Baron Davis is hurt and may not play until he feels better. Look for that in the news soon.

    Toney Douglas simply has to play close to replacement level.

  100. I take back what I said above….knicks showed a lot of heart….chandler shump and melo were spectacular in so many ways….this comeback saved our playoff hopes!

  101. All I’m saying is that we got thoroughly outplayed for middle portions of the game. We came out firing in the 1st quarter with some great energy. But then the Bulls started D-ing up great, Deng was forcing some shots by Melo. DRose is also obviously still rusty, the Knicks wouldn’t have had a huge lead in the 1st. People think the Bulls are “screwed” is laughable. Also we may be better without Amare. Melo at the 4 creates more mismatches and he seems to hold his own against PFs.

  102. We were up 21 in the first quarter….That was a great game no one choked…both Carmelo and rose have huge balls. JRs may be a bit too huge…but let’s leave that for another day

    Doug:
    Did we luck out or did the Bulls choke? You decide.

  103. So where’s Owen, how about that Carmelo Anthony is not elite huh? Please!

  104. Yes, it’s laughable b/c he was joking when he said they’re screwed.

    We’re not better without Amare, though these injuries do seem to be pulling the team together.

    I’d love to see Stat coming off the bench when he recovers…that’s a tough cover for any team.

  105. Also, following the game thread, do you really trust Breen’s opinion over JVG’S?

    I’ve talked about this all year over and over again…. The way you create ball movement is by forcing more than one defender to pay attention to the ball-handler, wherever that player is.

    Without a point guard, the only way you can create ball movement is through Carmelo Anthony…. but when he is singled, as the Bulls opted to do off and on, the best play in the offense is him taking a shot.

    Breen irritates the hell out of me. Great broadcaster, consummate pro, but the guy has no idea what he’s talking about and these little back-handed jabs at Melo every game really add up.

  106. art vandelay:
    I take back what I said above….knicks showed a lot of heart….chandler shump and melo were spectacular in so many ways….this comeback saved our playoff hopes!

    People that say a Lin/Shump/Melo/Chandler core isn’t championship worthy are just as bad as the MDA people.

  107. TheXman:
    All I’m saying is that we got thoroughly outplayed for middle portions of the game.We came out firing in the 1st quarter with some great energy.But then the Bulls started D-ing up great, Deng was forcing some shots by Melo.DRose is also obviously still rusty, the Knicks wouldn’t have had a huge lead in the 1st.People think the Bulls are “screwed” is laughable.Also we may be better without Amare.Melo at the 4 creates more mismatches and he seems to hold his own against PFs.

    We struggled to score immensely in periods 2 and 3….having had STAT out there when Melo was on the bench would have helped immeasurably….it took a herculean 43-point effort for Melo just to pull out a home win in OT…we are not better without STAT.

  108. ruruland: Baron Davis is hurt and may not play until he feels better. Look for that in the news soon.

    Toney Douglas simply has to play close to replacement level.

    yeah, Shumpert’s going to need to go back to starting at PG, that was what they did down the stretch today. they really really need JR to hit shots.

  109. er:
    umm please don’t compare the raptors to the bulls thanx

    I’m not comparing the Raptor and Bulls. I’m just saying the level of excitement and the clutch play at the last few seconds of game reminds of that Raptor game. You are reading too much into my comments and just want to troll.

  110. Gideon Zaga:
    So where’s Owen,how about that Carmelo Anthony is not elite huh? Please!

    He’ll make on or two comments about him having a good game only because he has to credibility-wise. But there’s no coming back from his anti-melo-ness I’ll be sure to remind him of that at every opportunity.

  111. lol, so much fun speed reading this thread after the game. until I get to the obligatory ruru sarcastic post. you really take some of the joy out of this board for me ruru. I know you know more about everything than anybody, but man you need to buy a sense of humor

  112. it depends on the matchup, but if we play the Bulls in the first round, Amare will really help.

  113. art vandelay: We struggled to score immensely in periods 2 and 3….having had STAT out there when Melo was on the bench would have helped immeasurably….it took a herculean 43-point effort for Melo just to pull out a home win in OT…we are not better without STAT.

    There’s no doubt about it.

    You can see why a guy like Melo can struggle in the playoffs when there are no other options in the half-court and you can’t spread the floor.

    This team has no chance of winning a series without Amar’e and no point guard.

  114. ruruland: He’ll make on or two comments about him having a good game only because he has to credibility-wise. But there’s no coming back from his anti-melo-ness I’ll be sure to remind him of that at every opportunity.

    he was right for a long time this year, you should really just chill.

  115. 2FOR18:
    lol, so much fun speed reading this thread after the game.until I get to the obligatory ruru sarcastic post.you really take some of the joy out of this board for me ruru.I know you know more about everything than anybody, but man you need to buy a sense of humor

    Oh please.

  116. jon abbey: yeah, Shumpert’s going to need to go back to starting at PG, that was what they did down the stretch today. they really really need JR to hit shots.

    Half of them were great looks, too.

  117. ruruland:

    This team has no chance of winning a series without Amar’e and no point guard.

    they could still do it if they keep playing D like this and Smith starts hitting shots, Novak was also a (rare) non-factor today.

  118. jon abbey: he was right for a long time this year, you should really just chill.

    I’m just going to leave it alone until he shows up.

  119. Waited till 4th quarter to run play for him….need to use him better or take better advantage of overplay

    Gamecockerbocker:
    Shumpert needs to play the entire fourth quarter and we need to run some plays fr Novak.

  120. jon abbey: they could still do it if they keep playing D like this and Smith starts hitting shots, Novak was also a (rare) non-factor today.

    They will keep playing like this defensively but you can’t beat the Bulls 4 games without other ways to initiate or threaten their defense.

    I think they could steal two without Amar’e.

  121. ruruland: I’m just going to leave it alone until he shows up.

    even then, he’s been playing like this for what, 2-3 weeks? if he’d done it a few months earlier, we might not be still battling for the 8th spot, so just stop and enjoy how he’s playing right now.

    because he is playing GREAT right now.

  122. btw, the playcall from woodson to set up Novak on that 3 that spun out in regulation was excellent…gets lost in shuffle of all the madness, but it was excellently executed.

  123. it’s hard to get Novak free against a good defensive team when you have no PG.

  124. art vandelay:
    btw, the playcall from woodson to set up Novak on that 3 that spun out in regulation was excellent…gets lost in shuffle of all the madness, but it was excellently executed.

    agreed totally, you never saw that kind of thing from D’Antoni, especially against a top defensive team.

  125. If I was owen I would stay away. I’m afraid ruru is compiling a list of Those That Doubt. Will make for an interesting FBI profile.

  126. johnlocke:
    Waited till 4th quarter to run play for him….need to use him better or take better advantage of overplay

    Maybe, but there’s no way to take advantage of teams overplaying him when you can’t dribble the ball into the paint.

    Novak isn’t great in terms of quickness and moving around screens, so it’s extremely difficult to get him shots against a good, aware defense, given all of his limitations.

  127. ruruland:
    Also, following the game thread, do you really trust Breen’s opinion over JVG’S?

    I’ve talked about this all year over and over again…. The way you create ball movement is by forcing more than one defender to pay attention to the ball-handler, wherever that player is.

    Without a point guard, the only way you can create ball movement is through Carmelo Anthony…. but when he is singled, as the Bulls opted to do off and on, the best play in the offense is him taking a shot.

    Breen irritates the hell out of me. Great broadcaster, consummate pro, but the guy has no idea what he’s talking about and these little back-handed jabs at Melo every game really add up.

    Im telling you, JVG would be a great coach for this team. You especially would really love him :-)

  128. 2FOR18:
    If I was owen I would stay away.I’m afraid ruru is compiling a list of Those That Doubt.Will make for an interesting FBI profile.

    Why focus on my beefs when there is so much to talk about??

  129. BigBlueAL: Im telling you, JVG would be a great coach for this team.You especially would really love him :-)

    Agreed. Love JVG and he wants to coach here obviously. Woodson is doing the job though. I like his staff a lot.

    Let me ask you guys, where does this rank among regular season wins the last 13 years or so?

  130. man, that was exhilarating.

    we almost should tank the game in Chicago and let Chandler/Tyson/Shumpie rest for the Milwaukee game the next night (BigBlueAl suggested this a little while back, but this W and the Orlando one make it much more possible.)

  131. jon abbey: agreed totally, you never saw that kind of thing from D’Antoni, especially against a top defensive team.

    That was great design. Can’t believe it didn’t drop.

  132. 11-3 in the Woodson era, 6-2 against Eastern playoff teams (counting PHI, not counting MIL).

  133. jon abbey:
    man, that was exhilarating.

    we almost should tank the game in Chicago and let Chandler/Tyson/Shumpie rest for the Milwaukee game the next night (BigBlueAl suggested this a little while back, but this W and the Orlando one make it much more possible.)

    Popovich would do.

    Yes, for one it’s about resting for the bucks. But given the import of Wednesday forfeiting would allow the Knicks to maintain the mental edge they just gained from this game. That could be the difference in stealing one in CHicago and not being able to.

  134. TheXman:
    All I’m saying is that we got thoroughly outplayed for middle portions of the game.We came out firing in the 1st quarter with some great energy.But then the Bulls started D-ing up great, Deng was forcing some shots by Melo.DRose is also obviously still rusty, the Knicks wouldn’t have had a huge lead in the 1st.People think the Bulls are “screwed” is laughable.Also we may be better without Amare.Melo at the 4 creates more mismatches and he seems to hold his own against PFs.

    Who thinks the Bulls are screwed?

  135. jon abbey:
    man, that was exhilarating.

    we almost should tank the game in Chicago and let Chandler/Tyson/Shumpie rest for the Milwaukee game the next night (BigBlueAl suggested this a little while back, but this W and the Orlando one make it much more possible.)

    Brian brought that up too. Play limited minutes at the least for sure. Cant imagine Chicago wont come out possessed to start the game so if by half-time its looking like a sure loss screw it and rest the starters for the next day.

  136. jon abbey:
    11-3 in the Woodson era, 6-2 against Eastern playoff teams (counting PHI, not counting MIL).

    8-0 at home under Woodson.

  137. That was awesome…shump seems to have a quick intellect, ESP if you listen to his post game comments

    Bruno Almeida:
    my god what a game, mr.Anthony was absolutely insane, fantastic job.

    and Shumpert is a fucking genius on defense, the way he adjusted after getting beaten on that Rose – Noah pick and roll a few times was incredible… if you watch the last play, he calls Fields and switches with him, because he figured the play out and knew Rose would run him through some screens, because of the switch he was able to pick up Rose at the 3pt line and basically kill the play.

    Chandler saved us on that offensive rebound too.

  138. ruruland: Popovich would do.

    Yes, for one it’s about resting for the bucks. But given the import of Wednesday forfeiting would allow the Knicks to maintain the mental edge they just gained from this game. That could be the difference in stealing one in CHicago and not being able to.

    if OKC can beat MIL tomorrow, it makes even more sense.

  139. Even though Rose was “shaking off the rust,” you have to give Shumpert credit for containing him. Rose shot 8 for 26 from the floor, and turned the ball over 8 times. Last year’s MVP should, in theory, have no problems scoring on a rookie. 21 Shump Street is our very own Revis Island.

  140. That was a world-class finish by Melo except for the missed FT in regulation. Jordanesque.

    Thing is, there was ample opportunity for someone else to step up. Nobody else did. Think about it, he’s on the floor with a guy who only can score within 3-ft of the hoop (Chandler), a guy that can only get his shot off when his defender leaves him and missed every shot he took today (Novak), a rookie with an erratic shot and questionable shot selection (Shump) and a guy who was having a 3-18 game. This was a game that required a superstar to carry his team on his back, and Melo delivered.

    Yes, the 4 missed FTs from the Bulls helped, but Melo still had to hit those 3’s to go into OT and win.

  141. johnlocke:
    That was awesome…shump seems to have a quick intellect, ESP if you listen to his post game comments

    I’d just wish he’d fight over screens like he’s capable of. He can be so so good. I’d also like to see him attack the rim more often in the half-court.

    If Woodson’s decides to go full tilt on Tuesday, the key will be Fields/ Shumpert/ JR taking advantage of being matched up with Chicago’s 4 or 5….

    That has to pay off big.

  142. jon abbey: man, that was exhilarating. we almost should tank the game in Chicago and let Chandler/Tyson/Shumpie rest for the Milwaukee game the next night (BigBlueAl suggested this a little while back, but this W and the Orlando one make it much more possible.)

    I was just thinking the same thing!

  143. My concern with toney is that once he gets his confidence back he’ll be just as much of a chucked as baron without the vision…oddly I think he plays better with his impaired confidence…plays more within himself

    ruruland: Baron Davis is hurt and may not play until he feels better. Look for that in the news soon.

    Toney Douglas simply has to play close to replacement level.

  144. johnlocke:
    My concern with toney is that once he gets his confidence back he’ll be just as much of a chucked as baron without the vision…oddly I think he plays better with his impaired confidence…plays more within himself

    I hear you, but you cannot afford to start a guy who’s consistently going 1-7, 2-9, not making free throws, not making plays…..

    Douglas has the ability to make shots. I just don’t think Baron can do that with his injuries (and he won’t)…. He needs to sit for these last couple of weeks.

  145. jon abbey: agreed totally, you never saw that kind of thing from D’Antoni, especially against a top defensive team.

    Lol, did you not remember the Twolves game how they tied it up? C’mon now, they always ran that play for Novak. Sometimes Chandler/Jeffries would screen him and Novak would jump behind the 3.

  146. JR can’t drive more on same side as novak…instead of step back contested long 2? JR needs to do more slashing when shot off

    ruruland: Maybe, but there’s no way to take advantage of teams overplaying him when you can’t dribble the ball into the paint.

    Novak isn’t great in terms of quickness and moving around screens, so it’s extremely difficult to get him shots against a good, aware defense, given all of his limitations.

  147. johnlocke:
    That was awesome…shump seems to have a quick intellect, ESP if you listen to his post game comments

    yeah, that’s for sure.

    people forget that Rose + Noah is probably one of the most impossible to defend pick and rolls in the league, not because Noah is a scoring threat, but he’s such a good screen setter (and he gets away with a lot of illegal stuff too) and Rose is lightning quick on his decisions.

    that play is unguardable by a single defender, and due to Tyson’s foul trouble, he couldn’t help as much as possible.

  148. ruruland: I hear you, but you cannot afford to start a guy who’s consistently going 1-7, 2-9, not making free throws, not making plays…..

    Douglas has the ability to make shots.I just don’t think Baron can do that with his injuries (and he won’t)…. He needs to sit for these last couple of weeks.

    this is definitely not the time to be building confidence for a guy that’s consistently the worst player on the court.

    I’m sorry, it would be good if he could contribute but we can’t afford losing any games right now, a 3-game losing streak could mean missing the playoffs, and our remaining schedule isn’t exactly easy.

    also, J.R does need to play more in control, but this was a game where we needed someone trying and making occasionally tough shots, Chicago’s D is awesome and we didn’t have any semblance of point guard play.

    I’m ok with J.R shooting a lot if it’s on these situations.

  149. The Knicks are better than the Yankees right now. I must be back in middle school again.

  150. Fair point… Im hoping this game was just an aberration and not (worse) injury related

    ruruland: I hear you, but you cannot afford to start a guy who’s consistently going 1-7, 2-9, not making free throws, not making plays…..

    Douglas has the ability to make shots.I just don’t think Baron can do that with his injuries (and he won’t)…. He needs to sit for these last couple of weeks.

  151. johnlocke: JR can’t drive more on same side as novak…instead of step back contested long 2? JR needs to do more slashing when shot off

    I have no idea what’s happened to junior’s drive game. I agree 100%

  152. Bruno Almeida: this is definitely not the time to be building confidence for a guy that’s consistently the worst player on the court.I’m sorry, it would be good if he could contribute but we can’t afford losing any games right now, a 3-game losing streak could mean missing the playoffs, and our remaining schedule isn’t exactly easy.also, J.R does need to play more in control, but this was a game where we needed someone trying and making occasionally tough shots, Chicago’s D is awesome and we didn’t have any semblance of point guard play.I’m ok with J.R shooting a lot if it’s on these situations.

    The other option is to scrap playing either of them and riding Shumpert and Smith…. It’s hard to say. the only thing Baron and Douglas seem capable of right now is making a 3 foot pass to Melo on the wing.

  153. Bruno Almeida: yeah, that’s for sure.people forget that Rose + Noah is probably one of the most impossible to defend pick and rolls in the league, not because Noah is a scoring threat, but he’s such a good screen setter (and he gets away with a lot of illegal stuff too) and Rose is lightning quick on his decisions.that play is unguardable by a single defender, and due to Tyson’s foul trouble, he couldn’t help as much as possible.

    It opens up the offensive rebound because of the help. That’s why Rose’s efficiency numbers are always so misleading. He’s not a great passer or scorer, per se, but he’s always causing havoc.

  154. TheXman: Lol, did you not remember the Twolves game how they tied it up? C’mon now, they always ran that play for Novak.Sometimes Chandler/Jeffries would screen him and Novak would jump behind the 3.

    It wasn’t the exact same playat ….that play was a screen around 3-point line that chandler set for Novak….this one was basically novak faking a screen in the paint and then popping out to 3 point line….I just re-watched it.

  155. BigBlueAL:
    The Knicks are better than the Yankees right now.I must be back in middle school again.

    and the Mets are 3-0 (this from a beleaguered die hard Mets fan)!!!

  156. art vandelay: and the Mets are 3-0 (this from a beleaguered die hard Mets fan)!!!

    Santana looked pretty good on opening day. Was getting updates on Twitter about Niese’s no-hit bid today.

    Enjoy this while you can :-)

  157. This game was won by defense.
    Huge shots by Melo.
    This team plays great with adversity.

  158. ruruland: The other option is to scrap playing either of them and riding Shumpert and Smith…. It’s hard to say. the only thing Baron and Douglas seem capable of right now is making a 3 foot pass to Melo on the wing.

    yeah, I think unfortunately we’ll have to go back to starting Shump at the 1, Fields, Melo, Jeffries and Chandler, with Smith playing heavy minutes together with Shumpert.

    the nice thing is that even without a PG, we had very few turnovers, which makes me think we can get good enough “PG” play from Smith, Shumpert and Melo eventually handling the ball.

  159. BigBlueAL: Santana looked pretty good on opening day.Was getting updates on Twitter about Niese’s no-hit bid today.

    Enjoy this while you can :-)

    yeah, it’ll last for about this weekend, but ah, well….more than I expected this season!!!

  160. art vandelay: and the Mets are 3-0 (this from a beleaguered die hard Mets fan)!!!

    let’s go Mets!

    this will be the year Philly sinks into oblivion, and that would make me happier than anything in baseball right now.

  161. JR is often the primary creator in his lineups when Melo is out, and only Novak is ever a legit shooting threat. He basically plays half the game as a lesser version of Melo, with inferior (offensive) teammates. It’s strange that he has so much trouble hitting open 3’s though, maybe it’s because he gets too used to having to shoot off the dribble?

  162. Juany8: JR is often the primary creator in his lineups when Melo is out, and only Novak is ever a legit shooting threat. He basically plays half the game as a lesser version of Melo, with inferior (offensive) teammates. It’s strange that he has so much trouble hitting open 3?s though, maybe it’s because he gets too used to having to shoot off the dribble?

    It can’t be explained.

    To me, the ratio of difficult shots hasn’t changed. Maybe it’s the effort he’s exterting on defense (where he isn’t all that far off Shump).. I have no idea.

  163. ruruland:

    Let me ask you guys, where does this rank among regular season wins the last 13 years or so?

    I wonder where it ranks on Melo’s alltime regular season list. it was the most he scored as a Knick, he’s scored 43 or more 9 times as a Nugget (high of 50), but only 5 of the previous times came in wins, and 3 of those 5 he had less than 3 assists (what he had today).

    when you combine the importance of this game with the quality of the opponent, was that Melo’s best regular season game ever?

  164. Shump tweeted after the game thanking Donnie Walsh (he spelled it Donny lol) for giving him a chance. Why didnt he thank Isiah!?!? lol

  165. Bruno Almeida: ensive) teammates. It’s strange that he has so much trouble hitting open 3?s though, maybe it’s bec

    We were terrible without a PG. We still need Davis or TD to be an adequate PG. Wish we had Lin, as he just doesn’t try circus shots like Baron Davis. Well when he does, at least he’s going towards the hoops and creating some fouls.

  166. jon abbey: I wonder where it ranks on Melo’s alltime regular season list. it was the most he scored as a Knick, he’s scored 43 or more 9 times as a Nugget (high of 50), but only 5 of the previous times came in wins, and 3 of those 5 he had less than 3 assists (what he had today). when you combine the importance of this game with the quality of the opponent, was that Melo’s best regular season game ever?

    Considering the lack of help on offense and the quality of defense he was facing, it’s right up there up top. It obviously wasn’t the best offensive game he had by any stretch, but when you look at the level of difficulty on his shots, and how crucial each of them was, maybe only Kobe and Dirk are capable of doing that.

    He’s always been clutch like this, 4th quarters in big games, but yeah, this one would be hard to top.

    His game against Lebron and a great Cavs team where he hit the game-winner is a close second:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fztGWYgCinw

    He’s still only 27. There’s a lot more to come….. this season.

  167. Knicks are now 1/2 game behind Philly for the dreaded 7th seed and Miami matchup. I really, really do not want Miami in the first round.

  168. JK47:
    Knicks are now 1/2 game behind Philly for the dreaded 7th seed and Miami matchup.I really, really do not want Miami in the first round.

    Im not sure Miami isnt a better matchup than the Bulls.

    I still believe the Knicks will be lucky to win more than 1 game against either team in the playoffs but I dont think its so clear-cut which matchup would be “easier” for them.

  169. On a personal level I guess I just hate the Heat a lot more than I hate the Bulls.

  170. “The Knicks trailed by 10 points with less than four minutes remaining in the fourth quarter Sunday afternoon against the Bulls. Then, the Knicks finished the period on a 10-0 run to force overtime, which made franchise history.

    That’s the largest deficit the Knicks have overcome in the final four minutes of the fourth quarter in a win since Dec. 17, 2000. That day, the Knicks came back to beat the Milwaukee Bucks after trailing by 10 points in the final four minutes of the fourth quarter. “

  171. JK47: Knicks are now 1/2 game behind Philly for the dreaded 7th seed and Miami matchup. I really, really do not want Miami in the first round.

    Why?

    They are a little banged up. Lebron hasn’t been the same since he the first half of the season (where he was exerting a ton of energy)… Bosh doesn’t scare anybody….

    We’re better on the interior, too.

    They’re a great, great, team, who’d likely win that series of course, but the Knicks shouldn’t be scared of anyone. Melo and CHandler are not afraid of going toe to toe with those guys, and if you can bring playoff Amar’e into the mix……

  172. jon abbey: “The Knicks trailed by 10 points with less than four minutes remaining in the fourth quarter Sunday afternoon against the Bulls. Then, the Knicks finished the period on a 10-0 run to force overtime, which made franchise history.That’s the largest deficit the Knicks have overcome in the final four minutes of the fourth quarter in a win since Dec. 17, 2000. That day, the Knicks came back to beat the Milwaukee Bucks after trailing by 10 points in the final four minutes of the fourth quarter. ”

    All will. You get one of these and nothing will scare this team in the post-season — no situation.

    The Mavs won their championship with mental fortitude.

  173. Just finish watching the game, but miss overtime. Damn should have put 15 minutes on DVR.
    Finally a close game where Melo hero ball won the game.
    What crazy is Knicks shot a worst FG, lost rebound war by 12 reb, shot worst 3pt %, shot worst FT% and made less FT, but defense cause 10 more TO and had 8 more steals then Bulls.
    Our 2 pg play 30 minutes shot 2-11 and had grand total 4 assists.
    We not going to get home court advantage in playoffs, but there good chance Woodson will go undefeated as the head coach at MSG.

  174. jon abbey:
    “The Knicks trailed by 10 points with less than four minutes remaining in the fourth quarter Sunday afternoon against the Bulls. Then, the Knicks finished the period on a 10-0 run to force overtime, which made franchise history.

    That’s the largest deficit the Knicks have overcome in the final four minutes of the fourth quarter in a win since Dec. 17, 2000. That day, the Knicks came back to beat the Milwaukee Bucks after trailing by 10 points in the final four minutes of the fourth quarter. ”

    One thing these types win going hard repeat. There was some luck involved. Asking Bulls go 0-4 FT in final 2 minutes probably not going happen again. Deng was 5-5 before missing those 2. Rose was 9-10 before missing those 2.

  175. the real reason we won is that the game thread was started in the correct way. remember that on Tuesday.

    Fire Dolan!

    SHUMP SHUMP

  176. jon abbey:
    the real reason we won is that the game thread was started in the correct way. remember that on Tuesday.

    Fire Dolan!

    SHUMP SHUMP

    You’re Welcome!

  177. Sixers getting hammered by boston…down 17 with a few minutes left before halftime…feeling even stronger now about my prediction that philly will be out and milwaukee and knicks in when all is said and done.

  178. art vandelay:
    Sixers getting hammered by boston…down 17 with a few minutes left before halftime…feeling even stronger now about my prediction that philly will be out and milwaukee and knicks in when all is said and done.

    we’ll see, Philly still gets NJ three more times somehow.

  179. I am on the train home from visiting my family for easter but I couldn’t wait to comment! What a win! I loved watching the bulls choke!

  180. ruruland: People that say a Lin/Shump/Melo/Chandler core isn’t championship worthy are just as bad as the MDA people.

    Not if iso-Melo continues to be the focus of the offense. The odds are overwhelmingly against it: no SF-dominated team has won the championship for the last 25 years in a row. Perhaps the game has changed, and winning that way is harder; I don’t know. But there is now a quarter century of powerful counter evidence, and despite that you expect a different result from the same futile strategy. That is the definition of madness.

    Damn, I missed the game; I misremembered the starting time. So I can’t say much about today. But the general principle remains: iso-Melo will fail eventually.

  181. There’s no question to me that we match up better against the Bulls than we do against Miami. The Bulls don’t generate a lot of turnovers, ranking only 24th in the NBA in defensive TOV%. The Bulls force you to play a half-court, grind-it-out style, so on days like today when our iso master is hot, you can beat them. The Knicks only turned it over 9 times in 53 minutes today.

    The Heat, on the other hand, beat you by causing tons of turnovers and converting those into easy, demoralizing dunks. Without any semblance of a PG who can competently get the ball across the half court line I don’t think we’d be competitive against the Heat at all.

  182. no SF-dominated team has won the championship for the last 25 years in a row.

    Which means absolutely nothing. Again, when 5 SF-dominated teams won it in 13 years, did anyone ever say, “Hey, the way to win a championship is through a SF-dominated team?” Of course not, because it is inconsequential. Good defense and good offense (and healthy players come playoff time) wins championships. How you get there does not matter.

  183. Bison: Not if iso-Melo continues to be the focus of the offense.The odds are overwhelmingly against it: no SF-dominated team has won the championship for the last 25 years in a row.Perhaps the game has changed, and winning that way is harder; I don’t know.But there is now a quarter century of powerful counter evidence, and despite that you expect a different result from the same futile strategy.That is the definition of madness.

    Damn, I missed the game; I misremembered the starting time.So I can’t say much about today.But the general principle remains: iso-Melo will fail eventually.

    dude, I’m anti-Melo as anti-Melo can be, but did you watch the game?

    the Knicks are without 2 really, really important offensive players, and without any semblance of a decent replacement to them.

    and even then, more often than not, Melo was doing the right things, making the right passes and playing in control.

    what happened today was DEFINITELY not iso-Melo, it was a good basketball team winning an incredibly tough game against the best team in the NBA probably.

  184. Bison: Not if iso-Melo continues to be the focus of the offense.The odds are overwhelmingly against it: no SF-dominated team has won the championship for the last 25 years in a row.Perhaps the game has changed, and winning that way is harder; I don’t know.But there is now a quarter century of powerful counter evidence, and despite that you expect a different result from the same futile strategy.That is the definition of madness.

    Damn, I missed the game; I misremembered the starting time.So I can’t say much about today.But the general principle remains: iso-Melo will fail eventually.

    What are you talking about?

    I think we need to have a discussion on what it means to “isolate” before we move forward. So sick of how that word is used.

  185. Bruno Almeida: dude, I’m anti-Melo as anti-Melo can be, but did you watch the game?

    the Knicks are without 2 really, really important offensive players, and without any semblance of a decent replacement to them.

    and even then, more often than not, Melo was doing the right things, making the right passes and playing in control.

    what happened today was DEFINITELY not iso-Melo, it was a good basketball team winning an incredibly tough game against the best team in the NBA probably.

    As I said, I missed today’s game.

    My concern was not with the game today anyhow. If the Knicks want to win a championship, they need to take a longer view. A quarter century of total futility for SF-dominated teams argues powerfully against giving the team to Melo.

  186. ruruland: What are you talking about?

    I think we need to have a discussion on what it means to “isolate” before we move forward. So sick of how that word is used.

    Sorry, I have no interest in playing definition games. “Iso-Melo” is just my shorthand for a team dominated by Carmelo. Such a team will not win a championship, as Melo’s Denver Nuggets have demonstrated — and as proven by NBA-wide experience with SF-lead teams for the last quarter century.

  187. god, that’s a stupid line of reasoning. if you’re counting LeBron and Durant as small forwards, that streak is not going to last much longer.

  188. jon abbey:
    god, that’s a stupid line of reasoning. if you’re counting LeBron and Durant as small forwards, that streak is not going to last much longer.

    You have obviously already forgotten my other lines of reasoning, all of which converge to the same conclusion: that giving the team to Melo would be beyond stupid.

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