2011 Game Thread and Preview: Knicks @ Timberwolves

Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this sun of York;
And all the clouds that lour’d upon our house
In the deep bosom of the ocean buried.
Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths;
Our bruised arms hung up for monuments;
Our stern alarums changed to merry meetings,
Our dreadful marches to delightful measures.
-William Shakespeare – Richard III

In this short quote from Richard the III William Shakespeare captured the emotions of most Knick fans on or November 5th.  Ah November 5th. Do you guys remember November 5th? It was just a week ago. The Knicks were on a two game winning streak–blowouts to boot.  The team dodged a bullet on the schedule.  With a seemingly weak schedule and the team playing so well, there was talk of possibly a five or six game win streak. 

The fans–much like Richard the III–believed the we had reached the winter of our decade long discontent.

My point was if they blow out Philly like they did Washington tonight it is a sign that this team is mature and hopefully good enough to win most of their games vs the crap of the East which is alot of teams. If they do that they will easily make the playoffs and could maybe even get up into the 6th seed if the Bucks arent as good as they were last year which seems might be the case.-BigBlueAl

Long time poster TastyCakes on the Knicks’ schedule as of Nov 6:

If I’m counting right, that’s only 4 playoff teams from last year, including 2 games vs 1 (CHA) that is probably a lot worse off this year. GS and NO may be the most improved.

I’d be pretty happy with 13-7 — we’d have to go 10-5, and I must say that looks entirely feasible with this schedule. -Tastycakes

Even I got in on the act:

Isnt it great that we can actually do this again? To have hope. To look at the schedule and say “Hey, we could put a nice streak together here.” I’ve been waiting 10 years for a cup of this Kool-Aid. TastyCakes, pass a 40 oz. of that stuff my way!

Well one week later, the discontent is back. The fans are right to be concerned, but perhaps there are some signs that things won’t revert to years past. 

D’Antoni is already tinkering with the lineup.  I take the adjustments as a positive given that this is the coach that stuck with Duhon as his starter several weeks after he was declared dead.  What seems to be key in D’Antoni’s adjustments is finding a way to open the floor for Amar’e Stoudemire. Mozgovwas made a reserve, and D’Antoni has spent time teaching rookie Landry Fields how to get the most from cuts to the basket. D’Antoni seems interested in developing Fields rather than benching him without warning, which is something D’Antoni is well known for doing.

My point is that this team has the potential for strong play. Hopefully, the coaching staff will find a way to bring it out each game.

 
Timberwolves Offense
EFF eFG TO OREB% FT/FG
97.1 43 18.9 32.6 22.9
30 30 29 2 17
Knick Defense
EFF eFG TO OREB% FT/FG
106.4 51.2 17.3 25.7 23.9
13 25 8 12 16
Knick Offense
EFF eFG TO OREB% FT/FG
104.3 49.2 17.4 26.8 24.8
23 18 22 14 10
Timberwolves Defense
EFF eFG TO OREB% FT/FG
110 51.1 14.8 25.3 27.2
25 21.5 26 8 25
The Timberwolves come into this game leading the NBA in pace (99.9 possessions per game). Unfortunately, the Timberwolves pair their fast pace with awful execution. The Timberwolves are last in offensive efficiency and eFG%, they are 29th in turnovers.  The Timberwolves do really well on the offensive glass, which comes as no surprise given how many missed shots there are to grab.

What to watch for 1: Toney Douglas.

Toney Douglas has struggled in the last three games (11-31 fga, 2-14 3fga 38.7 eFg%) after a solid showing in two game prior to this stretch (17-33 fga, 8-17 3fga 63.6 eFG%).  With Wilson Chandler back in the starting lineup, the Knicks need Douglas to lead the reserves.  While we all want him to improve his shooting, Douglas needs to start with defense.  Fortunately, the Timberwolves are very turnover prone and poor shooters. So Douglas’ new habit of running under screens may be less costly tonight.  Douglas needs his swagger back and I think he can start to get it with a good showing on defense.   

What to watch for 2: Timberwolves offense vs. Knick defense.

David Kahn has assembled a group of high usage low efficiency players that would make Isiah Thomas proud.  The team has a number of players with offensive talent, but the team’s style of play does not foster easy scoring.  Most players create their own shots and there is very little ball movement that translates into scoring.  Sebastian Telfair leads the team in assists per 36 with 3.6.  The big problem with the Knick defense has been eFG% (51.2%, 25th). A solid effort of defense should keep the Timberwolves right around their average eFG% (43%, 30th).  The Timberwolves do not take many 3 point field goals either, so that might come in handy if a particular reserve guard decides to run under the screen with a minute to go in a tie ball game.

What to watch for 3: Timberwolves interior defense.

Much like the Golden State Warriors, the Timberwolves lack a defensive presence in the paint.  Their best shot blocker per 36 minutes, Darko Milicic (3.8) struggles to get consistent playing time.  The Knicks need to make a better effort to get inside.  Drives to the basket got the team back into the game versus the Warriors and poor outside shots (and missed free throws) took the Knicks out of the game.  Facing such a poor offensive team, there is no reason to settle for bad outside shots. The Timberwolves don’t force many turnovers, which is good for a Knick team that has struggled to protect the ball (22nd).

Hopefully this game signals the winter of  our discontent.

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120 thoughts to “2011 Game Thread and Preview: Knicks @ Timberwolves”

  1. This season is on the verge of slipping away. If they can’t beat Minnesota tonight, it’s going to be another long, cold winter. Felton must grab control and run the show like a real point guard. No point guard, no nothing. All the statistics are meaningless if you don’t have a point guard that gets his teammates good looks. That goes for TD too if he has any aspiration of being a point guard. There was one play last game when Dougals did a little one on one dribble dance at the top of the arc, then hoisted a three point brick. That’s hardwood cancer.

  2. The Knicks are actually 3 point favorites tonight – when was the last time they were favored on the road? I hope the bookies know something we don’t!

    I would be thrilled if the Knicks could somehow get to 7-7 after the 5 game road trip – win the next 2 and then go 2-3 on the western swing. I know it’s early, but I feel like this is kind of make it or break it time for our Knicks.

  3. Shakespeare and Isaiah in the same breath oh my. Good stuff. As an SU guy I am curious about Wesley Johnson and hope to see Rautins too, this time b/c the Knicks are doing the blowing out.

  4. Its really refreshing to see the Knicks get off to a hot start, taking advantage of an inferior team on the road.

  5. For the last, like, four years, the Knicks seem to be poor at getting the roll on possible “and ones.”

  6. Great write-up, Thomas. So according to my prediction, we now have to go 10-2. No sweat, right??

  7. Is it just me, or does this team give up big leads faster than any team in the NBA? It went from 11 down to 2 in about a minute and a half.

  8. The starting offensive plan is not great.

    The bench offensive plan, though, is practically non-existent.

    Helps lead to quick runs for the other team.

    I’d like to see AR play above the rim.

  9. A little horn-tooting…back during the offseason I noted that I thought that if Beasley went somewhere he could play the 3, he would surprise people. How dumb was Miami, then, not to let him play the 3?

  10. Wish they played Minni every night!

    Nice to see Randolph out there with Gallo and Fields. Liking getting a look at him there. Wish he hadn’t taken that long 2, though.

  11. Anyone else have trouble differentiating Gallo and Fields at times? I’m more getting used to it (basically getting used to Fields since he’s new I guess), but I watch online on my TV and get pretty crap quality from most feeds and 6 and 8 are hard to differentiate. Fairly similar size and movements from the 2 of them. It usually takes me a second to realize which one has the ball or something.

  12. Ted Nelson: Anyone else have trouble differentiating Gallo and Fields at times? I’m more getting used to it (basically getting used to Fields since he’s new I guess), but I watch online on my TV and get pretty crap quality from most feeds and 6 and 8 are hard to differentiate. Fairly similar size and movements from the 2 of them. It usually takes me a second to realize which one has the ball or something.  

    i think someone mentioned this same point the other day.
    the t’wolves are horrible. with this whole free kevin love campaign that the media is going on i would thought he was having a better year

  13. Someone needs to tell Mike Crispino that he’s supposed to get excited when a Knick gets an and-one. He is a really awful play-by-play guy.

  14. Yeah, Gallo and Fields are hard to tell apart. I couldn’t even tell that well at the Garden (then again, our seats weren’t exactly super close ;)).

  15. 4 offensive rebounds leading to a turnover and fast break score by the Wolves. HA

    Felton and Gallo with excellent halves.

  16. Landry Fields, 9 points, 8 boards, 1 dime, 3 steals, 1 TO, and he missed a couple of layups .. impressive.

    I hope his PT is on the upswing.

    On a related note, it’s starting to look like AR is playing his way out of the rotation, and Fields is looking like the beneficiary.

  17. Nice half. Is it more the Knicks or the Wolves doing? And where did I ream Wolves were TO prone.

  18. jaylamerique:
    i think someone mentioned this same point the other day.  

    Was me, and now I have my glasses on and I frankly I still can’t tell the difference. (It’s easier to tell the difference when Gallo’s invisible :)

    I still wish one had a two digit number…

  19. tastycakes: Landry Fields, 9 points, 8 boards, 1 dime, 3 steals, 1 TO, and he missed a couple of layups .. impressive.I hope his PT is on the upswing.On a related note, it’s starting to look like AR is playing his way out of the rotation, and Fields is looking like the beneficiary.  

    AR should not in the rotation. he is the worse shooter ever. i dont even know why teams bother guarding him when he is not in the paint. i mean he has made 4 shots in 19 attempts.

  20. d-mar: Someone needs to tell Mike Crispino that he’s supposed to get excited when a Knick gets an and-one. He is a really awful play-by-play guy.  

    Ha. I thought I had the Wolves feed for the game. He’s WAY too objective.

  21. The shot selection has been decent, and they’re moving the ball. I’m not worried. Eventually they’ll start making shots again.

  22. Here comes the typical 4th quarter meltdown. God I hope they find a way to hold on and win this easy winnable game.

  23. they’re not going to lose. I’d be willing to put money on it. Anyway, Rambis does take good timeouts.

  24. Isiah Thomas will be running this team before the season is over. Hell he might be running this team before the year is over.

  25. tastycakes: They look demoralized, which is pathetic.There’s plenty of time!  

    And it’s the freaking T-Wolves with both their PGs and their best shooter all out…

  26. Now they’ve completely stopped playing there game. Felton is dribbling up then standing around. Everyone is just charging into the paint whenever they touch it. They missed a lot in the 3rd, and that made them go away from their game.

  27. They move the ball and get a huge lead, then once the Wolves come back they just start running blindly at the basket and letting Amare, WC, and Felton shoot EVERYTHING

  28. I have lived and died with this team through the 90’s and this past horrible decade. Tonight I have finally reached the point where I have given up and totally quit on them. Screw them.

  29. Ted Nelson: They move the ball and get a huge lead, then once the Wolves come back they just start running blindly at the basket and letting Amare, WC, and Felton shoot EVERYTHING  

    Hey Ted, We agree!

  30. On defense they’re doing nothing to make it difficult on Beasley. No pressure on entry passes. No doubles on Beasley.

    I won’t even complain about the boards because you just about expect us to be dominated on the glass.

  31. The Knicks are seeing the downside of playing every shot attempt for blocks. This is a poor rebounding team to begin with and guys are constantly out of position, often even after getting blocks.

  32. The Knicks have been torched by PFs in every game this season:

    GS: Lee
    Sixers: Brand
    Bucks: Gooden (for part of the game)
    Wizards: Blatche
    Celtics: KG

  33. Someone was asking what the deal was with the “Free Kevin Love” stuff. Well, that’s what it is.

    He’s a great player.

    Beasley is a good player at the 3.

    That said, obviously, the Knicks should not have lost that game. I only hope that there is somehow some culpability for the Amar’e/WC/Felton “brain trust.” I suppose I should add D’Antoni in there, as he’s the guy who lets those three effectively do whatever they want, even when it is plainly evident that it is not working.

    Also, the Knicks in the fourth quarter acted like it was the All-Star Game and Gallo was Michael Jordan and the rest of the team was Isiah Thomas.

  34. Fuck this, I’m leaving the country.

    HOU
    DEN
    SAC
    GSW
    LAC
    CHA
    CHA
    ATL
    DET
    NJ

    Maybe these losers can turn it around with this cream-puff 10 game schedule coming up. I’ll be back in time to see our boys get their asses whupped by New Orleans.

  35. Probably the worst loss of the D’Antoni era. The players played poorly and he did absolutely nothing on his end. No adjustments on Beasley. Love just wore us out on the boards. That’s physical. Beasley was allowed to shoot mid-range jumpers; no attempts to double him, no attempts to disrupt entry passes. Nothing. No answer.

    That, coach D’Antoni, was turrble.

  36. tastycakes: Fuck this, I’m leaving the country.HOU
    DEN
    SAC
    GSW
    LAC
    CHA
    CHA
    ATL
    DET
    NJMaybe these losers can turn it around with this cream-puff 10 game schedule coming up.I’ll be back in time to see our boys get their asses whupped by New Orleans.  

    tasty, *we’re* the creampuffs on everyone else’s schedule.

  37. Oh, and did you guys see that turnover from Anthony Randolph, about mid-meltdown?

    That may have been the single worst turnover I have ever seen at the NBA level.

  38. so when do we trade AR. i hope i never have to see him on the court again. now i understand why the warriors trade him.

  39. David Crockett: Oh, and did you guys see that turnover from Anthony Randolph, about mid-meltdown?That may have been the single worst turnover I have ever seen at the NBA level.  

    he has to be one of the stupidest players in the nba. he has no idea how to play basketball.

  40. Time to start speculating on who the Rockets will be picking 1st in next year’s draft. Oh wait thankfully I think they cant swap picks if the Knicks land in the Top 3 I think. Tough break for the Rockets.

  41. I’m bummed about the game, but more from a viewpoint of “Wow, D’Antoni, you haven’t learned a damn thing from the games played so far this season.”

    Honestly, with some minor adjustments, I think the Knicks win that game. So I’m not really all too down on the team as a whole (this is not even mentioning that Turiaf has been an important role player and has missed the last two games). Just D’Antoni’s seeming unwillingness to tell the brain trust to not be so stupid.

  42. David Crockett: The Knicks are seeing the downside of playing every shot attempt for blocks. This is a poor rebounding team to begin with and guys are constantly out of position, often even after getting blocks.  

    good point. You know, this game really doesn’t upset me that much because it confirms everything I thought:
    1) The knicks have not been running effectively except off turnovers. D’Antoni ball requires more speed. On those turnovers they are scoring really well. That’s why they were winning for most of three quarters — they were forcing TOs.
    2) The Knicks have no halfcourt offense. The pick and roll, what used to be Amare’s bread and butter, has resulted in a turnover or forced shot far too often. The blame belonged to Stoudemire early in the season for not rolling. Now the blame belongs to Felton for not evaluating the defense and trusting his perimeter shooters.
    3) The Knicks have been going away from the three ball when they stop falling. You can’t do this when you have no real set offense. Your entire offense is predicated on never allowing the defense to get off its heals. Once you start passing up or second guessing shots, your offense slows and the defense recovers.

    This team can be good, but the main requirement for that is that the knicks don’t throw a pity party every time the other team makes a run. That’s part of D’Antoni ball as well. You are going to miss shots, but in order for the system to work, you have to remain confident and keep shooting. Once Joe Johnson left, the Suns did not have anyone who was above average at scoring for himself, be it posting up or penetrating. They remained an offensive juggernaut by trusting the system.

    We have the roster to be a decent team under this system — strong athletes and a decent array of perimeter shooters. The onus is on them to develop a winning mentality built around trust in the fact that the system will work more often than not, and without the system they will continue to lose to absolutely terrible teams like Minnesota.

  43. Brian Cronin: Someone was asking what the deal was with the “Free Kevin Love” stuff. Well, that’s what it is.He’s a great player.Beasley is a good player at the 3.That said, obviously, the Knicks should not have lost that game. I only hope that there is somehow some culpability for the Amar’e/WC/Felton “brain trust.” I suppose I should add D’Antoni in there, as he’s the guy who lets those three effectively do whatever they want, even when it is plainly evident that it is not working.

    In the link I posted at the top I did a scatter plot of WC USG% against the knicks margin of victory adjusted against the average win margin of opponents. There is nearly a perfect correlation between Chandler shooting less, and the knicks winning by more.

  44. latke:
    good point.You know, this game really doesn’t upset me that much because it confirms everything I thought:
    1) The knicks have not been running effectively except off turnovers.D’Antoni ball requires more speed.On those turnovers they are scoring really well.That’s why they were winning for most of three quarters — they were forcing TOs.
    2) The Knicks have no halfcourt offense.The pick and roll, what used to be Amare’s bread and butter, has resulted in a turnover or forced shot far too often.The blame belonged to Stoudemire early in the season for not rolling.Now the blame belongs to Felton for not evaluating the defense and trusting his perimeter shooters.
    3) The Knicks have been going away from the three ball when they stop falling.You can’t do this when you have no real set offense.Your entire offense is predicated on never allowing the defense to get off its heals.Once you start passing up or second guessing shots, your offense slows and the defense recovers.This team can be good, but the main requirement for that is that the knicks don’t throw a pity party every time the other team makes a run.That’s part of D’Antoni ball as well.You are going to miss shots, but in order for the system to work, you have to remain confident and keep shooting.Once Joe Johnson left, the Suns did not have anyone who was above average at scoring for himself, be it posting up or penetrating.They remained an offensive juggernaut by trusting the system.We have the roster to be a decent team under this system — strong athletes and a decent array of perimeter shooters.The onus is on them to develop a winning mentality built around trust in the fact that the system will work more often than not, and without the system they will continue to lose to absolutely terrible teams like Minnesota.  

    the knicks did keep shooting the three pointer. if i am not mistaken they took like 3 or 4 in a row at one point and still missed. if three isnt going in than the team has to adjust and drive

  45. And I think the game recap should be titled “A tale of Two Halves,” because that’s what it was. The Knicks played their game for the entire first half, remaining psychologically strong through the Wolves’ first run, then toward the end of the third quarter (A Tale of Three Quarters and One Quarter just doesn’t have the same ring to it), they just decided they’d had enough of the notion that they have teammates and that the better strategy was to play one on five. How many times did we see a knick in the paint with 4-5 wolves surrounding him, forcing shot rather than looking to the perimeter? How many times in the first three quarters did we see the same scenario, except the ball moved back to the perimeter for an open shot? The knicks missed those open shots in the third, but they were still playing their game.

    damnit.

  46. As bad of a loss as I’ve seen in years. Soul searching time.

    I hate to say it, but all of the worst case scenarios all seem to be coming true:

    Amar’e is not close to being worth max money
    Gallo is very limited
    Chandler is inefficient
    Felton is fair at best as a P&R PG
    Mozgov is too raw for prime time
    Randolph is dumb
    Douglas can’t play PG
    D’Antoni can’t coach D and rebounding
    Azubuike is damaged goods
    Turiaf is injury prone

    This is looking like a 20 win team. I know it’s early and we are young, but the last 4 games have been very revealing.

    BTW, D’Antoni looked like a train wreck.

  47. jaylamerique:
    the knicks did keep shooting the three pointer. if i am not mistaken they took like 3 or 4 in a row at one point and still missed. if three isnt going in than the team has to adjust and drive  

    I disagree. You have to take what the defense gives. They were missing in the third, but they were playing right. Perhaps they were still taking threes in the fourth, but they were not off of ball movement. I’m not suggesting they don’t go into the paint, but when the Wolves just send the whole team into the paint after a penetrating player, you have to pass the ball out, and you ahve to take that open shot. If you miss all of them, you can trust in the fact that if you hadn’t taken them you still would have lost because the wolves could have (as they did) continued to pack the paint.

  48. Another game where they really missed Turiaf- Having Chandler on Love when Amar’e went to the bench in the third was a recipe for disaster- I’d have rather they put Timo on Love and let Chandler guard Darko. And they just missed open shot after open shot in the third- Chandler especially. They really could have used more effort from Gallo on the defensive glass- nowhere to be seen for most of the night. He was a step slow on D all night- there were at least 3-4 loose balls he could have gotten to that wound up in Minnesota’s hands and got put back in.
    And once they fell behind, Amar’e reverted to one on four with predictable results.

  49. Hi Guys,
    I have been reading this blog since the summer and really enjoy it. After tonights disheartening loss, I feel compelled to make my first comment. I think that even with a healthy Turiaf the Knicks will need another serviceable big man to keep from getting killed inside every night. I was wondering if it would be possible to waive Williams and pick up Barron since he remains unsigned?

  50. You know what really is the scariest part about all this?? The fact that Dolan at any minute could do something like re-hire Isiah and fire Walsh and D’Antoni who at this point I probably wouldnt care if he gets fired but not Walsh.

    The right thing to say is to be patient and stuff but the problem is tell that to Dolan. Also its tough to be patient when you have to watch the utter embarrassment that was the 2nd half tonight. How the hell can we be patient and hopeful of the future when you see the way the players played and responded to the T’Wolves run tonight??

    Talent is great and this team certainly has it but it does take more than talent to win games since every team in the NBA has talent and this team doesnt have it both from the coaching and most importantly within the individual players themselves.

    I actually wished I still lived in NY so watching Knicks games didnt cost me the 180 bucks it does to pay for League Pass and I didnt have to put up with Heat “fans” giving me shit about how pathetic the Knicks are. I need to find a time machine and go back to the 90’s….

  51. I actually wished I still lived in NY so watching Knicks games didnt cost me the 180 bucks it does to pay for League Pass and I didnt have to put up with Heat “fans” giving me shit about how pathetic the Knicks are.I need to find a time machine and go back to the 90?s….  

    free live streams of all NBA games: http://www.atdhe.net/
    The quality’s not as good. But it’s free.

  52. I seriously wish I could go somewhere and drink the night away venting with fellow Knicks fans. These are the times I hate living in Miami. lol

  53. Oh yeah latke I use that site all the time to watch UFC and Boxing PPV’s. Tomorrow night I will be watching Pacquiao-Margarito there. lol

    As much as I bitch and whine during and after horrible losses like this the fact is I will be right back in front of my tv watching them Sunday night vs Houston. Difference is I dont have any optimism anymore with regards to this team. They could win the next 5 games in a row and still I will be waiting and assuming a 10 game losing streak will be sure to immediately follow.

  54. BigBlueAL: I seriously wish I could go somewhere and drink the night away venting with fellow Knicks fans. These are the times I hate living in Miami. lol  (Quote)

    I feel the same way about Charlotte.

  55. BigBlueAL: I seriously wish I could go somewhere and drink the night away venting with fellow Knicks fans.These are the times I hate living in Miami.lol  

  56. oops… was supposed to say “opening a beer”. I guess the comments system took my “\” to be HTML (we’ll see if they go through with backslashes).

  57. OK, in hindsight, would you trade Randolph, Gallo and Douglas for Melo now? Denver sure wouldn’t.

    I wouldn’t.

    Let him come here next season.

  58. Bigblue,

    you too good to walsh,
    he certainly saved a lot of dolan’s money,
    but he built a senseless roster too.
    he should be fired.
    as for dantoni,
    he is simply not capable to coach in the nba without nash.

  59. Last thing the Knicks should do now is do something desperate to complicate their future cap space and give up on their young “assets”.

    Just play out this season and hope Walsh is around for next summer. If he does get fired pray to God Dolan doesnt re-hire Isiah.

  60. totti, the reason Im too good to Walsh is because he isnt done yet. He has this team in position to continue to make moves next summer and maybe even the summer after that. The only bad move he made was the draft picks he gave up to Houston imo. I dont care about drafting Hill because lets face it he and we all wanted Steph Curry and he went 1 pick before. Im not a fan of Jennings so Im not one on that bandwagon of we shouldve drafted Jennings.

  61. BigBlueAL: totti, the reason Im too good to Walsh is because he isnt done yet.He has this team in position to continue to make moves next summer and maybe even the summer after that.The only bad move he made was the draft picks he gave up to Houston imo.I dont care about drafting Hill because lets face it he and we all wanted Steph Curry and he went 1 pick before.Im not a fan of Jennings so Im not one on that bandwagon of we shouldve drafted Jennings.  

    Agreed. Jennings is not the reason the Bucks have been decent. Skiles is the reason. Without Scott Skiles, the Bucks are just as bad as the T-Wolves… And now I will retreat back to the corner I’ve been hiding in.

  62. If Isiah is found to have been complicit in the illegal scouting, he’ll never be re-hired in the NBA — not even by that blathering idiot, James Dolan.

    So BigBlueAl and friends, find comfort in the belief that if the allegations are confirmed, Isiah will be suspended by the league for at least a year, the Knicks will be hit with multiple first-round pick forfeiture and/or a six-figure fine, and Cablevision’s stock will take a hit.

    But maybe I’m too confident in Dolan’s intelligence. If he’s dumb enough to take the racist, misogynistic dickwad back after that, well: we’ll know it’s time to buy a Brook “Cries-Like-Toddler” Lopez jersey and start barking at dogs while eating fro-yo.

  63. Brian Cronin:
    I wouldn’t.
    Let him come here next season.  

    i wouldnt include Gallo. but you cant honestly tell me you still have confidence in AR and toney after what you have seen lately. Toney is a horrible pg that cant has no vision and my opinion on AR is pretty clear. if we trade those two for melo, it’d addition by subtraction.

  64. Ive been a staunch D’Antoni defender here and admittedly am running out of patience with him but I actually felt sorry for him tonight at one point.

    Did you see his reaction after AR made that awful tomorrow then it was immediately followed by TD fouling 30 feet from the basket when they were in the penalty late in the 3rd quarter?? He was going nuts on TD and at AR. You can say all you want about his bad coaching and Im beginning to agree with that but that sequence is nowhere near being the coach’s fault. You could hear him yell at AR once you get the rebound throw it to a guard and yelling at TD that there was no reason to foul there. Through all this I do feel somewhat sympathetic for him at times because it cant be easy coaching young players who are as stupid as most of the Knick players seem to be.

  65. i wouldnt include Gallo. but you cant honestly tell me you still have confidence in AR and toney after what you have seen lately. Toney is a horrible pg that cant has no vision and my opinion on AR is pretty clear. if we trade those two for melo, it’d addition by subtraction.

    Yeah, I’d give up Toney and AR for ‘Melo, I just don’t think that the Nuggets would ever deal with the Knicks if the Knicks weren’t sending out Gallo and AR.

  66. Great NBA Coaches:
    Scott Skiles
    Nate McMillan
    Phil Jackson
    Gregg Popovich

    The list is short. Then you have guys like Stan Van Gundy, Carlisle, Adelman, and Rivers who do good things, but don’t have the brains or the personality to reshape the identity of their team into their image. I might have put D’Antoni on this list back in the Phoenix days, but his fatal flaw (inability to adjust) has been revealed.

  67. BigBlueAL: You could hear him yell at AR once you get the rebound throw it to a guard.

    Yeah, but back in preseason he talked up how Randolph had such a great handle that he could bring the ball up the floor, and when you’re trying to push the ball you want whoever has it to bring the ball up if they can’t immediately outlet it to a guard. I suspect that D’Antoni encourages Randolph to take the ball up the floor and that he was sort of venting his frustration a bit on that play.

    Felton shot really well tonight, but IMO he was the culprit on a lot of bad decisions. He showed on several occasions a lack of awareness of the shot clock, his passes were not on target a lot of the time, and he’s just bad at executing the P&R.

  68. I honestly wouldnt know who to hire if Dolan decides to fire D’Antoni and I am pretty sure if D’Antoni gets fired at some point it will come from Dolan and not Walsh.

    I mean who is available?? Hey Im the biggest Jeff Van Gundy fan around an would seriously hyperventilate if by some miracle he would return to coach the Knicks but Im pretty sure since he and Dolan apparently hate each other that will never happen and Im not sure if in today’s NBA JVG is a very good coach anyway. I still would love him anyway. lol

  69. I read Chris Sheridan today talk about D’Antoni talking about certain lineups on offense and how the best ones are the ones who rate highest in eFG. Seriously.

    So I have a feeling what D’Antoni says in the press talking up his players and what he tells them in private is a bit different. I know many here think D’Antoni is an idiot but I have read enough stuff about him and heard him enough to think he is actually a very good, smart basketball coach.

    But this is a results business and Im pretty sure if the Knicks dont make the playoffs this season he will be most likely fired or quite frankly he might want to leave anyway.

  70. Where do I begin. How do you have a 21 point lead to the timberwolves and loose by 9????? Totally unacceptable, for the team, for the coach and for the franchise…. I’m really starting to believe that we really did get cursed by trading Pat Ewing…. But seriously why is wilson shooting so much???, why can’t Felton run the p&r???? And why can’t every other player on the team including Amare, play like Fields…. The worst lost this year I hope!!! Won’t be watching Sunday against the rockets, to see another L to a bad team… I truly hope we can get it together soon because if not some changes are coming… and they might not be for the best

  71. i really feel sorry for you, real knicks fans,
    after a decade of disgrace and two awful years of saving cap space,
    you don’t deserve all of this.

    I still don’t understand the reason why Dw did not hire barron again. He was cheap, half of mozgov, he can rebound and score.
    And why hire an unknown russian bencher instead?
    A team which depends from turiaf can’t be a playoff team.
    And really felton was the best pg dw could after two years like that?
    I mean, all the weaknesses from last year roster have not been eliminated, knicks still are weak at pg and terrible at center, they don’t have a decent sg and have too many sf who don’t like each other like gallo and iqless will. Ah, they still have the worst coach of the league.

  72. btw

    sure i’m wrong,
    but every time gallo has a great fist half, then he’s frozen out the second. Last time in chicago td took over, this time love did.
    it is a pity because when the offense passes from gallo hands is more fluid, but i’m honest and i blame gallo too for his lack of fire. I think something broke down between him and the management and somehow took out from him the willing to play with heart.
    I blame gallo for this, he makes millions,
    I say, move your ass bastard, i stay up all nights only for you man!

  73. Bad coach, bad players, bad management and a horrible organization. I wonder why we don’t win more games.

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