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Friday, October 24, 2014

Who Do You Want Gone ? Who Do You Want Here?

Who Do I Want Gone?

Eddy Curry. Bold choice I know. He is the primary symbol what we have become and how we got here. And he is a really bad basketball player, worse than Zach Randolph by a mile.

Who Do I Want Here the Most?

Chris Paul. He was the best player in the league this year. And I would like to see the best player in the league take the court in a Knicks jersey. Amazing that it’s never happened before.

60 comments on “Who Do You Want Gone ? Who Do You Want Here?

  1. Ben R

    Zach is by far the player I want gone most. I would rather lose all 82 games next year without him than win 50 with Zach as our starting PF.

    My hatred of him and his game has far surpassed his poor stats and bad defense. I would have given LA that 1st rounder to get rid of him. I would give up anyone on this roster short of Lee to be rid of him. I do not know if I will be able to watch next season if Zach is still our starter.

    The player I want most would be Paul. But I also have to say I really want Lee to be here next season. Part of me would be disappointed if we traded him for almost anyone in the league. He will break out and be an all-star in the next three years, I prey it is in a Knicks uniform.

  2. Latke

    Zach Randolph / Marcus Camby (i’m trying to be reasonable, and I really love his game too!)

    Completely off topic, but I was just thinking… remember the synthetic nba ball from 2006? Stern was like, “we’re gonna do some research and come back with an even better synthetic ball.” Whatever happened to that?

  3. Alec

    I’m going to take this a step further and create my favorite Knick team with current NBA players.

    Chris Paul
    Stephen Jackson
    Shane Battier
    Dirk
    Greg Oden

    Why Jackson? Every Knick team should have atleast one headcase, right? Plus he is just crazy enough to be crazy good when it matters most.

  4. Ted Nelson

    Going

    Tough call. Zandolph may be the better player, but next to rebounders like Lee, Balkman, Q, Chandler,… Curry fits into a potentially valuable role as a high % scorer. Slow, large guy who rebounds and misses shots isn’t much of a role. So I’ll take Randolph going.

    Coming

    Obviously not my 1st choice in the world, but as far as potentially realistic scenarios…

    Would anyone object to Crawford for Childress if he is not 100% set on going to Greece and is trying to get a better offer in the NBA before signing? If Atlanta thinks they’re a good team next season and doesn’t want to lose a rotation player more than they want to save money {a big if} maybe they take back Crawford. The opportunity cost for the Knicks is get an expiring contract for Crawford, but Childress is a pretty solid SG and at least it wouldn’t involve taking on salary.

    Another question is whether the Knicks can match the offer he has. I read somewhere that Delfino’s 3 million euro per offer is the equivalent of a $9 mill per US offer factoring in the exchange rate and that euro contracts are net of taxes. Read that Childress is offered 20 mill USD over 3 years, maybe 21 to 24 mill over 3 years with the third year a team option would be enough to change his mind?

  5. Mulligan

    Now this is the dog days of summer…

    Like most, I want Z-Bo gone. I hate his game and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lvYf08X6tc is permanently seared into my memory.

    I’ll keep my options open and say that I hope we get the #1 pick in the lottery next year.

    Seriously, where do you think the Knicks will finish next year? I was looking at this – http://www.rufusonfire.com/2008/07/1416-hypothesis.html and it got me thinking, the Knicks are likely going to finish at the bottom of the Atlantic.. whose worse?

  6. caleb

    The Knicks won’t be anywhere near the worst team in the league (if 8th or 9th is “nowhere near”) They won’t even be the worst team in the tri-state area.

    The question? Randolph. Chris Paul. But what about a whole roster of favorites?

    Greg Oden – Smart, funny blogger. Now that he hurt his knee you get the pleasure of rooting for an underdog. I like centers who can run.

    Tyson Chandler – I like centers who can run. Do you see how much floor burn he catches, chasing guys on the perimeter and STILL getting back to block their shots?

    Joakim Noah – Did I mention that I like centers who can run? And pass?

    Andrei Kirilenko – Because he can pass and block shots. Because he wears his hatred for Jerry Sloan on his sleeve (Jerry Sloan is evil)Because he has that hot wife who gives him a free pass on the road.

    David Lee – Poster boy for us stat nerds. And you gotta support your own.

    Renaldo Balkman – To prove you all wrong!

    Josh Howard – Because he’s honest.

    Manu Ginobili – Fun, fun, fun to watch. And great.

    Chris Paul – Long-term he might not be as valuable as Dwight Howard or LeBron, but New York needs a point guard who can throw no-look passes and keep it on a string. This should be the PG capital of the world.

    Steve Nash – Wouldn’t it be awesome to see him cap his career winning the big one in NYC with D’Antoni, even if he’s backing up Chris Paul?

    Sergio Rodriguez – Totally irrational. Sue me.

    Mike Conley/Jose Calderon/Tony Parker/Ramon Sessions – Can you DNP the big guys and play an all-gnat lineup? This should the city of point guards. Did anyone else love Rod Strickland?

    Honorable mention: J-Smoove, Mario West, T-Young, Rafer Alston, Lamar Odom, Team Uconn – Emeka, Rip, Ray… and even crazy Marbs. I hope his last chapter is a happy one.

  7. Jose B

    Gone?

    In order: Jerome James, Jared Jeffries, Eddy Curry, Q-Rich, Zach Randolph (I’ll leave Starbury out since I’d rather he play out his expiring contract)

    Here?

    I’ll stay away from the obvious LeBron/Paul/Wade/Howard choices, so players I would love to see in the Knicks are:

    1. Caron Butler – Toughest scorer on the wing in the league, great defender, one of my favorite players in the L hands down.

    2. Mike Miller – For once, I would love to see a sweet-shooting Miller ON the Knicks as opposed to…well you know.

    3. Andrew Bynum – When is the last time we had a YOUNG stud center who could score down low, block shots, and just own the boards? 20 years ago?

    4. Ramon Sessions – A year from now, everyone will be singing the praises of the next great PG in the league. I’m calling a breakout year of 15ppg/9apg/2spg.

  8. Italian Stallion

    Get rid of Marbury and/or Zach for a buttered bagel and warm cup of coffee if we can get that much.

    My fantasy is bringing in Deron Williams. I think the difference between him and Chris Paul is not as large as the hype surrounding Paul and I have a sneaking suspicion that Williams is going to last longer as a top notch player.

    As to the Knicks this year, IMO it’s going to take some combination of several of these things to keep the Knicks out of last in the East unless there’s a another major move that improves the team.

    1. Solid seasons from both Gallinari and Chandler
    2. Improvement in Lee’s mid range game
    3. A turnaround from Curry (fitness and offense)
    4. A spectacular coaching job
    5. A miracle

    Some teams in the west will have slightly worse records, but that will mostly be the result of having somewhat tougher schedules.

  9. Caleb

    The Knicks weren’t the worst team in the league or the East last year, even though it seemed like the coach made every effort to reach that goal.

    Why does anyone think they’d be worse this year?

  10. Italian Stallion

    The Knicks weren’t the worst team in the league or the East last year, even though it seemed like the coach made every effort to reach that goal.
    Why does anyone think they’d be worse this year?

    I think the Knicks should be a little better, but I think some other teams have improved more.

    Miami is the only team they finished ahead of last year in the East and they are a no brainer to be much better this year.

    Teams like Chicago, Toronto, Indiana, Atlanta, and the 76ers were all in the battle for playoff spots and look to have either improved more than the Knicks or seem more ready for their young players to step forward. Perhaps even Charlotte and Milwaukee belong in that category. The only team that may have gotten worse is the Nets, but I’m not even totally sure about that. IMO, Jefferson and Kidd are both overrated right now (that’s partially why they were so disappointing last year), but they added some youth and other prospects. There’s at least some shot of an upside surprise.

    The Knicks have done very little so far besides add a draft pick (that I like a REAL LOT) that might not be ready to contribute in a major way until at least the second half of the season. I like the Duhon addition also, but he’s still just a solid second string PG. Roberson is a 3rd string player even if he’s on the team.

    I think my list sums up the Knicks prospects unless they make a deal that improves the team.

  11. Ken "The Animal" Bannister

    Zach before Eddy. I think this clip of Z-bo says it all…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lvYf08X6tc&eurl=http://basketbawful.blogspot.com/2008/07/2007-08-nba-worsties-part-4.html

    LeBron/Paul/Howard would be nice, but in a slightly more realistic vein, I want STEVE NASH. One, he’s a leftist (he supposedly read “Das Kapital” in the nude w/Elizabeth Hurley when they were dating [How cool is that!]), two he’d make the ideal “veteran leader” to run D’Antoni’s system, and three, his contract expires in the year of our lord 2010. Think having Nash (although clearly reduced in skill level) as the PG would be a nice carrot to wave in front of LeBron/Melo/Bosh?

  12. Jordan

    Randolph,James, Jeffries can get the f**k out.
    Keep Lee and Marbury.
    I want Chris Paul and LeBron. If only one, then LeBron.

  13. TDM

    “I want Chris Paul and LeBron. If only one, then LeBron.”

    But doesn’t LeBron create a logjam at SF considering we have Q already?

  14. Thomas B.

    Gone: James Dolan. Do not trim the leaves, kill the roots.

    Here: Mark Cuban. An owner who will do anything if he thinks it will help his team win. He is funny, personalble, he wears his disdain for Stern and the refs on his sleeve.

  15. jon abbey

    yes on the Dolan part, but Mark Cuban is the guy who just made that dreadful Jason Kidd deal. I’ll take a hands off owner, please.

  16. Reebok1303

    Congrats to Italian Stallion, Caleb, and Jose B. on being mentioned by Henry Abbott in his Truehoop blog on ESPN. Pretty damn cool if you ask me.

    I’ll play along too. I would want Chris Paul because of games like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAyCMAONmOU or Dwight Howard for his efficiency on offense and shot blocking, and I wouldn’t mind it if either Jeffries or Randolph (or both) was shipped out for the aforementioned bagel and cup of coffee.

  17. Thomas B.

    yes on the Dolan part, but Mark Cuban is the guy who just made that dreadful Jason Kidd deal. I’ll take a hands off owner, please.

    You only say its dreadful because it did not work out. :-)

    It’s not like Devin Harris would have led the Mavs any further. Kidd comes off the books this year and the Mavs can shop around for a replacement. The nice thing about that deal, dreadful as it is, is that the pain is temporary, unlike the Shaq deal, the Marbury deal, the Blount signing, the Burger King James, and the other JJ deals. Even Cuban’s bad deals are not that bad.

    I like a hands on owner but only if he knows what he is doing.

  18. Thomas B.

    Congrats to Italian Stallion, Caleb, and Jose B. on being mentioned by Henry Abbott in his Truehoop blog on ESPN. Pretty damn cool if you ask me.

    Clearly Mr. Abbott does not read all of the posts. That’s the only explanation for my wonderously witty anagrams not getting a mention on True Hoop. I mean James Dolan = Jade Salmon. That’s gold Jerry, gold!

  19. Mulligan

    I’m really curious about the Nets. I can’t figure them out. It seems like they’re well positioned for the future, but will they be good this year? Devin Harris, CDR, Lopez, Yi, Sean Williams? They have a lot of youth with potential and they had a better record than us last year. Besides the Nets, who are kind of a wild card, who is actually worse than the Knicks in the East? Milwaukee?

    I don’t mean to sound gloomy, I just think we have a lot of mis-matching pieces. In another year, I think we could be in good shape.. but I have my doubts for this season.

  20. Captain Merlin

    MMM very fair point TDM, raises a dilemma, looks like we’d have a tough choice there in this hypothetical reality…I dump the Prime Minister of Pudding and go for Chris Paul…also, since I’m a Charlottesville homer, I say we give up a second round pick for Sean Singletary…or maybe another for Roger Mason too.

  21. Ray

    This is like some sort of dream sequence post i guess. Take Zach and heavy contract away. Along with Mardy, Jerome, Jeffries.

    Who would i like…. CAmby, Kaman, LeBron, CP3 or TParker.

    The things we talk about when theres no news.

  22. Captain Merlin

    In reference to some of the present bloggers being mentioned in Truehoop, I have kindled a fiery disdain for Mr. Abbot and his lack of appreciation the snarky, joy-bearing, laughably misguided, oft-times confusing, nearly always unnecessary, though always pertinent and utterly essential contributions to the blog…except for most of them. Captain Merlin holds a furious grudge and seeks vengeance…yeah, Thomas B. I implore you to join me in my personal vendetta of sorts.

  23. Ben

    Who do I want gone?

    Every single reporter who complains about the Knicks and writes a story every single day about Walsh’s challenges of rebuilding. I”m a diehard lifelong Knicks fan, but I would prefer to see us lose horribly for a few years and rebuild in a serious manner than take these little stop-gap measures to bring in “hope” as defined by Howard Beck or whoever, but fall short again.

    The trades I cannot stand are the ones where we draft Nene and then trade him and Camby to Denver for McDyess. You get a “name” player like McDyess for the reporters to talk about for a month — but I would have much rather drafted Amare Stoudamire and had a front line of Amare and Camby for a decade. Then we wouldn’t have needed the plodding Zach/Curry tandem at all.

    Ben

  24. Thomas B.

    In reference to some of the present bloggers being mentioned in Truehoop, I have kindled a fiery disdain for Mr. Abbot and his lack of appreciation the snarky, joy-bearing, laughably misguided, oft-times confusing, nearly always unnecessary, though always pertinent and utterly essential contributions to the blog…except for most of them. Captain Merlin holds a furious grudge and seeks vengeance…yeah, Thomas B. I implore you to join me in my personal vendetta of sorts.

    O Captain my Captain!

  25. Italian Stallion

    “I want Chris Paul and LeBron. If only one, then LeBron.”
    But doesn’t LeBron create a logjam at SF considering we have Q already?

    OMG I laughed so hard I think I hurt my back and will have to miss summer league posting.

  26. Thomas B.

    Trade to end all trades…

    Gone: Zach Randolph, Malik Rose, Jeffries, and Collins.

    In: Iverson, and Nene.

    Saves us 12.38 million in the summer of LBJ. Puts a willing, if not effective, defender and shot blocker next to Eddy.

  27. TDM

    So let me get this straight . . .

    NJ trades Marcus Williams to the Warriors for a first round pick; and

    We can’t get rid of Zach Randolph unless we give up a first round pick?

    I like Williams, but a 1st rounder? Am I on glue or something?

  28. Ess-dog

    What the hell is with N.J.? How many trades/aquisitions are they going to make? They’re still going to suck for a while. And why couldn’t we get in on Marcus Williams? He’s a better back-up point than most. Does this mean G.S. is moving someone else now?
    What about Zach and Nate to Indiana for Tinsley, David Harrison and Shawne Williams?

  29. Jose B

    What the hell is with N.J.? How many trades/aquisitions are they going to make? They’re still going to suck for a while. And why couldn’t we get in on Marcus Williams? He’s a better back-up point than most. Does this mean G.S. is moving someone else now?
    What about Zach and Nate to Indiana for Tinsley, David Harrison and Shawne Williams?

    At this point, what is really the point of picking up capable backup PGs when (1) we have Duhon, Roberson, Nate, Mardy, not to mention Marbury (2) those are moves that make sense for a team contending for the playoffs, not a lottery team (3) is Marcus Williams really going to make a difference, or will improved lottery position help us out more in the long run i.e. convincing LeBron (or 2010 Superstar Free Agent X) that we have enough talent to surround him in order to win the chip?

  30. TDM

    What the hell is with N.J.? How many trades/aquisitions are they going to make? They’re still going to suck for a while. And why couldn’t we get in on Marcus Williams? He’s a better back-up point than most. Does this mean G.S. is moving someone else now?What about Zach and Nate to Indiana for Tinsley, David Harrison and Shawne Williams?

    It’s a great move for NJ – picking up another 1st rounder for a guy buried on their depth chart behind Harris and Dooling. I like Marcus Williams, but just to put it in perspective, our 3rd string pg is Collins.

    As for Tinsley, Harrison and Shawne “it wasn’t my dope” Williams, the last thing we need is three more chuckleheads on the roster bringing down moral.

  31. Mel

    call me crazy but i would want jerome james gone since he is the worst and least productive player on the team…I dont like blaming the better players on a team i prefer to blame the worst, especially when those players can play when motivated.

    i’d want lebron .

    guys like chris paul are helped a great bit by the rules changes making pg’s more important …things tend to equalize eventually , i dont think there is a way to stop lebron from being as effective as he is. he has too many skills he is big, fast can board , defend when he wants to, shoot and pass…they bring hand checking back and we would see a return to the big tweener guards of the 90’s and the little quick guys would be hampered a bit.

  32. Billy

    I’m puzzled by the low number of responses that want Marbury gone. While Curry and Z-bo are def. shitty, they’re really just limited in their abilities. Everything that Marbury does – ie, pounding the rock for 18 – 20 secs, driving and then either shooting over a double/triple team or kicking it back out to a teammate who now has two or three seconds to chuck up a prayer – detracts from team play and actually makes his teammates worse. He’s like a basketball vampire. Worst player in the league and the Knicks would improve by ten to fifteen games just by subracting him.

  33. jon abbey

    see, that’s the beauty of this exercise.

    doctor: “so, you’ve got lung cancer, prostate cancer, skin cancer and brain cancer. which would you like to try to tackle first?”

  34. danvt

    “Did anyone else love Rod Strickland?”

    Me too, we should have never traded him for Cheeks. This was the ultimate Knick deal. Cheeks did lead us past Bird that year but we were hating ourselves for the next decade.

    One player to go, Marbury. He’s had enough chances. Jamal, Zach, and Eddy don’t necessarily deserve more chances, in a perfect world, but reality being what it is they may be able to use their skill sets to better advantage this year, whereas, I don’t think Marbury will ever be a team player or a deep thinker. I do want to say though, that if we don’t have any of the four of those guys we would score about 80 points a game and still not necessarily be shutting anyone down defensively.

    We have skilled guys who don’t think and less skilled guys who may not actually be superior enough athletically to beat anyone. I mean who does this line up beat?

    Nate
    Duhon
    Balkman
    Lee
    Chandler

    As to adding a guy I’d like to see Carmelo. He won a national title as a freshman. I think with some increased toughness he could lead us. We might be able to get him for Stephs expiring and Lee or Gallinari.

    OK let me have it.

  35. jon abbey

    gotta love Clyde:

    “count Knicks legend and team broadcaster Walt “Clyde” Frazier among the skeptics.

    Speaking on July 11, before Gallinari even made his brief appearance on the court in Vegas, Frazier was wondering if the foreign import was the right fit for a Knicks team hoping to make a quick turnaround under the new leadership of Donnie Walsh and Mike D’Antoni.

    “No one knew about the guy,” Frazier said. “The highlights, it looks like he’s a scorer…but [he has] the same weaknesses: defense, rebounding.”

    “Plus the kid is only 19,” Frazier continued. “C’mon, he’s going to be overwhelmed by New York.”

    Frazier’s final assessment suggested he doesn’t think the Italian Stallion will be doing too much shaking or baking at the Garden this winter: “You’re looking at a project. He’s a project at best. I don’t think he’s going to be much help this year.” ”

    http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/knicks/archives/2008/07/frazier_doesnt.html

  36. Ess-dog

    Gone? Jerome James. Waste of a roster spot. Close second is Marbury. Third, Zach. Fourth, a tie between Jeffries and Curry. Fifth, Q. Sixth, Crawford. If I could bring anyone in? King James is obvious #1, but basically every other team has at least one player I wish we had. From the Sixers: AI2. From the Celtics: Pierce. From Washington: Arenas or Butler. From Jersey: Devin Harris I guess. Miami: Marion, Wade. Bulls: Deng. Hawks: J. Smith, Horford. Bucks: tough one, but Redd I guess. Detroit: any starter but McDyess. Shall I go on?

  37. Ted Nelson

    Caleb,

    Posted a long response in the last thread on 19/20 year olds, not sure if you saw it.
    Basically, if Danilo’s going to be good over his career (I certainly have my fingers crossed, and all the evidence seems to suggest he will be), he should be able to play average/ above-average as a 20 year old rookie according to PER (not a perfenct measure, but commonly accepted and the most easily accessable data).
    He’s not a guy coming straight out of high school, he’s been playing at a high level against solid professional competition. I listed plenty of examples of above average PERs from 19 and 20 year olds.

    Didn’t think as much about Chandler, with one subpar season as a 20 year old under his bealt.
    ————————————————————-

    re: how the Knicks stack up in the East

    Every team has potentially improved, that’s what the offseason is all about. Unless he’s lost a major free agent (Chris Mullin), every GM thinks he’s improved his team (at least in the long-run if not today) or he wouldn’t have made the moves he did. Right now every draft pick is a ROY, every free agent is “the missing piece”, and every GM won every trade. But offseason predictions are wrong as often as they’re right.

    That said, at the moment, I’d put my over/under at a little over 30 wins (the Knicks’ 06-07 total was 33 and the Bobcats’ 07-08 total was 32) and the 4th or 5th worst team in the East (similar to Caleb’s 8th or 9th worst in the league). The Knicks do have a chance to be the worst team in the East and even the NBA (I mean they could still potentially start Marbury, Crawford, Q, Zach, and Eddy); however, I also think they could compete for the 8 seed if everything falls into place: D’Antoni can find a rotation that’s strengths are emphasized in whatever system he implements, and some guys in that rotation step-up.

    At the moment I can’t say there’s any team the Knicks are clearly better than, but on paper I think they have the chance to beat out any team outside of last season’s top 7.

    Of course, I’m not too worried about the win total this season.
    ————————————————————-

    Somewhat related, David Berri is critical of the Nets’ rebuilding in a recent post:
    http://dberri.wordpress.com/ 2nd article down

    It would be interesting to look back at all the predictions made by various journalists and see who is most/least accurate.

  38. Italian Stallion

    I have to admit I was a little dismayed by Frazier’s comments. It’s not so much that I disagree or hope he is wrong. It’s that…….

    We just spent several years with a management team (and coach) that kept trading away the future and overpaying limited one dimensional players hoping to turn the team around quickly and satisfy an impatient and foolish NY media.

    We finally have a management team and coach that is willing to do the right thing over the LONG HAUL and slowly build the team with young talented hard working team oriented players (instead of self centered anti social fools) and what do we get out of the media (especially Berman)?

    Articles defending guys like Marbury, articles attacking the new strategy and draft picks, signs of impatience etc…

    I almost have some sympathy for Isiah having had to deal with these idiots!

    Fans with functioning brains will be patient. The job of the media is to explain why we are finally doing the right things, not to stir the pot and make Walsh’s job tougher.

    I don’t care if Danillo makes a huge impact this year or not! No one should. I hope he develops and improves all year and looks like he will make a huge impact in years to come.

  39. Ted Nelson

    IS,

    Good point.

    His comments were also illogical: we (meaning I, Walt Frazier) know nothing about him, but I know for a fact that he´s a project and will not be able to perform in the NYC spotlight. You know nothing about him, but you know all that?????????????

    And xenophobic: how someone who gets paid (a lot) to follow pro basketball can know nothing about one of the top prospects in the world is beyond me. Of course, that´s not just Clyde.

  40. retropkid

    To ask the question another way:

    You have a six shooter, but only five bullets in it because you used one on Isaiah Thomas (you only winged him, but hell never return to his former seat of glory at least). Six Knicks are in the room: Marbury, JJ, the other JJ, Zach, Q, and Curry. How do you use the five bullets?

    One thought: Two each in Curry and Q to be sure they are dead, one in Zach to put him on the Injured List at least…and hope that the two JJs follow Marbury in flight to Vegas, or where ever yellow-dogs go to hide out these days…

    I think there are more guys I want off this team than guys I want on…forced to choose one addition, I go with Dwight Howard, but if you heard me wrong and I ended up with LeBron or Chris Paul due to the mis-communication, I’d live…

  41. retropkid

    “Somewhat related, David Berri is critical of the Nets’ rebuilding in a recent post:
    http://dberri.wordpress.com/ 2nd article down

    It would be interesting to look back at all the predictions made by various journalists and see who is most/least accurate.
    Reply to this comment.”

    While not a journalist…I couldn’t disagree more about the Nets rebuilding. imho they are making really good moves…especially if they feel they have the inside track to LeBron in 2010…then the current decisions look really smart.

  42. Thomas B.

    Six Knicks are in the room: Marbury, JJ, the other JJ, Zach, Q, and Curry. How do you use the five bullets?

    Why is that NBA players cant escape the spector of gun violence?

    Anyway, Shooting them wont take the money of the salary cap, will it? I think you should ask: “what would you do if you had a time machine?”

    I guess if we were jump into the Delorean and erase a signing/trade from this time line, I would go back to stop the Curry deal (cap killing, draft pick eating, non-rebounding waste of space).

    I would stop the Curry and the Richardson trades because I think they are the proximate cause of a number of deals that followed. Curry’s awful rebounding contributerd to the Randolph trade. Plus it cost us two lottery picks that could have helped the rebuilding process. If you stop the Curry deal you may not have to stop the Randolph deal. I think that if you had someone other than Curry (or James) as your center, Brown would have had one fewer whipping boy in his lone season as coach. We may not have been as bad and may not have taken on Francis, which as you know leads back to Randolph.

    THe Knicks got fat free JJ as insurance against Richardson’s balky back. Had we not taken Richardson, we might have looked at a SF the year before fat free JJ was signed. Had that SF stayed healthy and productive, there would be no reason to sign JJ. Furthermore, without Richardson, we dont have Robinson acting his height (your average 14 year old boy) rather than his age (22).

    Those trades may have greatly improved our cap situation as well.

  43. Caleb

    The Nets are making a nice push to be the worst team in the league — I suppose you could say that rounding up a couple of top-3 picks while leaving cap space for a run at LeBron, is a good strategy.

    They just traded Richard Jefferson for a guy who might have been the worst player in the league last year. Vince Carter’s knees and motivation are, shall we say, not improving. Lopez et al are decent additions but you can’t expect much in year 1 or 2. Their salary situation is better than ours but the talent level is somehow even worse, IMO.

  44. Z

    “The Nets are making a nice push to be the worst team in the league”

    What was the reasoning for not dumping VC on the Cavs? I understand they want to sell a few tickets this year, but that contract hurts their LeBron chances more than the others. Contractually, he is their Randolph. I read the reports that they rejected the offer, but never saw a follow up piece asking the question: why?

  45. Caleb

    Just speculating, but..
    a) maybe the media reports were inaccurate
    b) maybe they are holding out for a deal where they bring back one or more good draft picks. A la Walsh and the Clips.

  46. Sam

    Gone:
    Eddy Curry, center: the lack of rebounding from such a big man just seems very, very wrong—it speaks of an apathetic and defeated soul.

    Want:
    Rasheed Wallace, Great American Hero: His frequent ejections would at least make the games entertaining and the Knicks probably won’t be any good whatever they do. His passion and fire is the only thing that might inspire the rest of the scrubs on the team. Also, he’s a Great American Hero, how often can you put one of them on your ballclub?

  47. Renaldo Balkman's Agent

    Gone: Walsh and D’Antoni.

    This summer has been painfully boring. I miss the trade first, ask questions later mentality of the former regime.

    At least the Zach Randolph trade gave us something to read about (no offense to the 262 people who responded to the big news of the summer: “Knicks Sign Roberson”)

    Here: Isiah

    Nobody could flip a roster like that Black Bitch could…….

  48. BBop

    GONE: Besides the obvious ereasure done deal in Marbury….Curry….sorry man…,.but just keep steppin’. You outta here !
    WISH LIST: Ben Gordon…somehow they managed to slip Duhon in in place of Ben.

  49. Kile

    EDDY CURRY HAS TO BE GONE FIRST… Curry is one of the worst players in the league… When big guards can post up better than an unruly fat and out of shape loser, its time to go… everyone can get a around him, jump higher, run faster, he has no instinct, no quickness, no anything except meat… he has been the worst piece of the NY Knick puzzle since we’ve gotten him. FACT: The insistence at times to run the offense through fat man single handedly lost about 25% of the our losses last year… Listen, I have no beef with meaty players (pun intended) but at least give me numbers… Zach gives numbers… I’d even bet that Curry’s attitude is horrendous… all he wants to do is eat and play video games… he’s still a baby, he’ll always be soft, he’ll never be any good…

    Knicks should have sent Curry to LA for the 2nd rounder… I hate that teams/FO’s keep guys just based on the principle they paid so much for them… if they stink, cut em and get better at your stinkin jobs and find better players…

    Our front office has been as inept as the Atlanta Hawks’…

    As for in… let’s bring in the Birdman…

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