Exactly how does this “click rich quick” scheme relate to the Knicks? Just wondering.

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I want to win with our players not by signing a hired gun or tanking our way to draft a stud. Don’t get me wrong I would love Rose or Lebron but part of me would feel cheap if we did it through free agency or by tanking.

Also Jon when Lebron’s contract is up he will hold all the cards. He could force Cleveland into a sign and trade almost anywhere. A player of Lebron’s caliber does not switch teams very often and alot of teams will be waiting with cap space ready to hand out a max contract. So if he wants to leave Cleveland they will have no way to stop him. If they can facilitate a sign and trade so they come away with something I think they will. Same with Bosh, Wade, Arenas, etc. The elite players hold all the cards in free agency. They can get almost whatever they want.

It does not matter though because do you really think we will have an attractive enough base of players to lure one of the big names. With or without cap space we will not sign any big names until we can repair the deeper problems within our franchise.

As for stats – I have a Masters in Statistics- and I wold choose to do a multi-variate analysis on this. Byt Mike can better explain to you the methodology as its his site. He can also tell you the liitations of statistics in general- and also the difficulties of using a multi-variate model (such as confounding factors- like say Kobe goes off for 65 points and the team wins by twenty – and Chris Mims has good =/- score -even though he was not a factor). But a multi-variate model is quite possible actually.

Supporting a professional sports team is most fun when you see them draft young players and help them develop into stardom. This is why the Patrick Ewing era was so enjoyable. Many of the players on the team were homegrown and we built around them. New Yorkers felt more attached to Ewing than they would to a superstar that we just acquired. That’s why the Yankees always feel so impersonal to me; it’s just a collection of hired guns (other than Jeter, Posada).

If the Knicks truly want to reinvigorate the fan base, the way to do it is draft well and keep the young players together long enough for them to develop. No sense in drafting well if we just jettison the player immediately to get a high-priced veteran.

Plus, as has often been said on this board, superstar players are rarely available, and if they are it’s either at a prohibitive price or they have some stigma attached to them (headcase, injury-prone, etc.). Lebron might be an exception to this, but it will still be difficult for me to embrace him as a Knick.

I know i’m being hypocritical in that I complain the Knicks suck, yet also complain if they try to acquire a franchise savior, but I can’t be the only one who feels this way.

this is true, plus there was a rumor (I don’t remember if it was fact or not) that some of his main endorsement deals go up quite a bit if he’s in NY (maybe LA too). it’s been my main hope that he comes here for a couple of years now (those Yankee caps always make me smile), my only point is that I seriously doubt it’ll be in a sign and trade. if he sucks it up and signs for the midcap, then he can go anywhere he wants.

Of course, that makes our cap space a non-factor!

But aside from LeBron, I think we’ll see a very different free agent playing field, starting in 2009. it’s been years since players had a lot of options — like when Kobe was a free agent, the Clips were the only team with cap room.

Obviously, in this situation teams have a lot of leverage; a player can’t usually bluff his way out. “Ok,” the team says, “if you hate us so much, go sign with Utah for the mid-level.”

But when four or five teams have real cap space, it’s a new ballgame. The original team still has some advantage (in that it can re-sign guys for 6 years, rather than 5)… but that’s a much smaller difference. I mean, Rashard Lewis went to Orlando in a sign-and-trade but if Seattle had called his bluff, he still would have left… it’s just he would have gotten one year less, and Seattle wouldn’t have gotten the draft pick or trade exception or whatever it is they got out of it.

Just check the rosters and you’ll see a lot of teams have figured this out… it just hasn’t been long enough for the old deals to come off the books. or look at the Iverson & Garnett deals to see how valuable cap space is on the trade market (although in both cases it’s a year+ after the original trade; it’s still years earlier than the team would have had cap space).

In 2008 there will be one team with cap space… but after that, more each year.

the sign-and-trade thing makes sense for almost anyone else, but I’ll be surprised if Cleveland facilitates LeBron going elsewhere no matter what he tells them in negotiations, we’ll see in a few years. don’t forget he’s also from Ohio, and don’t forget how cranky the Cleveland fan base is for a title in any sport.

I really think it is how all the upcoming big free agents will move, if any actually move. They leave too much money on the table by signing in free agency.