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Wednesday, July 30, 2014

What I, As A Knick Fan, Am Thankful For

In the spirit of Thanksgiving I’m going to list all the things I’m thankful for this year.

* Amar’e Stoudemire’s diversity. Yeah I miss David Lee, but Amar’e is a different player that can contribute in more areas. Take for instance tonight’s game where Amar’e had six blocks. Two of them were in the final 2 minutes. Lee’s career high was four against the Celtics in 2006 during a blowout loss. Amar’e is more well rounded, and perhaps that fits this team better.

* Danilo Gallinari’s moxie. Gallo battled with Stephen Jackson in a physical match-up, and a couple of times it seemed the two might come to blows. The franchise is hoping Gallo will play with more fire, and today he was intense despite having a poor shooting night. It’s an important developmental step to him to stay focused even when his shot isn’t falling.

* Raymond Felton’s production. The Knicks new guard perhaps isn’t best suited for the pick and roll, but he’s playing much better than expected. A true shooting percentage of 59.1% and a PER of 19.6 is much more than I or anyone else thought he’d do in New York. I don’t think he’ll particularly keep it up, but even if he ends up better than last year it’s a plus for the Knicks. His defense isn’t as good as I thought, but he does get a lot of steals. Tonight his last pick won the game for New York.

* Landry Fields’ rebounding. What kind of shooting guard averages 8.3 boards per 36 minutes? Yes he’s listed at 6-7, but he’s still playing the two. I could have said Landry Fields’ brain but I’ll save it for…

* Donnie Walsh’s brain. Yes he’s probably behind the times with stats, and he’s probably missed on a couple of decisions, but what GM has a perfect record? Team presidents are like basketball players – even the best miss 40% of the time. Go back 3 seasons and pretend the Knicks hired a random GM. Do you think for a second they’d have a team with an All Star surrounded by a handful of promising young players?

Look at who was taken after Gallo in the draft and ask who would you have taken instead? Heck the Knicks traded for the other guy they really wanted. In an interview Larry Brown couldn’t have drooled more talking about Landry Fields. Sure Jordan Hill was a bust (sorta) and every statistician in the world would have taken Blair over Douglas. But DWTDD is playing well for a late first.

So take it all together and he’s batting well over what you’d expect from the average GM. Oh and don’t forget the Knicks are going to have enough cap room to grab another superstar.

* Mike D’Antoni’s mustache. With all the criticism I give D’Antoni the average reader probably thinks I don’t like him. Heck if tomorrow Phil Jackson or Greg Popovich accepted the job I’d probably be critical of them too. No coach is going to run a team like I or any other fan would.

Yes I would still be giving Anthony Randolph some minutes, but considering his 32.3 TS% and 27.6 eFG% I can’t argue with that decision much. I’d probably give Billy Walker more run too, but if you saw the way he got around one screen tonight (my grandmother could have closed in on her defender quicker) you’d understand why his minutes are limited. Despite all the hollering he directs at Toney Douglas, TD is out there for 24 minutes a night. And Roger Mason Jr is on the bench, where he belongs.

Even if he’s a middle of the road coach with a quirky system, he’s certainly better than what you might end up with. Like Donnie Walsh he’s not the best, but with a head coach sometimes getting an average one is a win.

* Five game win streak. The Knicks are now .500. This is so beyond what I expected given their poor start, that I’m literally speechless.

58 comments on “What I, As A Knick Fan, Am Thankful For

  1. BigBlueAL

    First time the Knicks are at .500 on Thanksgiving since 2000!!

    Also I guess we should be grateful for David Stern who supposedly forced Dolan to fire Isiah and suggested hiring Walsh and of course didnt allow Dolan to re-hire Isiah as a consultant this summer.

  2. BigBlueAL

    “Winning five straight feels great,” Stoudemire said. “But being 8-8 and .500 is something that we’ve got to improve on. We still have a lot of work to do.”

    Music to my ears.

  3. rama

    Z-man – to answer your post from a couple threads ago: “Still don’t understand how 2-7 with 10 FTs for 14 points is more efficient than 7-12 with no FTs for 14 points.”

    One way of measuring success on the basketball court is by possession – a team only gets the ball so many times in each game, so what a team does with each of those limited possessions is crucial to understanding why they succeed or fail. One obvious example is turnovers: a possession that ends by giving the ball back to the other team is not a good possession. A more complicated aspect is scoring. Did the score come on a 3, on a foul shot, on a dunk, on an And-1, etc? Each has a different value.

    But the most basic way to look at it is this: the average team gets about 96 possessions per game. If that team scored as Gallo has recently (which is to say somewhere around 2 points per possession), they’d score 192 points per game. If they scored the way the Bobcats have the last two nights (roughly 1.1 points per possession), they’d score 106 points per game. Scoring the way Gallo does is better. A lot better. If you want a scorer, you want that kind of scorer – not someone who takes lots of shots to score 30 points, but someone who takes 15 shots to score 30 points.

    And that’s not even considering the impact that fouling has on the opposing team: if you’re going to the line, it means you’re putting fouls on players who can’t play as many minutes, leaving (presumably) less talented players to take those minutes, AND putting your team in a position to go to the line because of being in the penalty, so that ANY foul leads to foul shots, not just shooting fouls. But the basic idea is, scoring more points on fewer shots is making more of the limited number of possessions you have, and that leads to winning games.

  4. Thomas B.

    I’m thankful for Knickerblogger.net and all the fine people who make this the best place for stat driven enjoyment of the Knicks. After two years of my unique personality, I still have admin rights. Only in America.

    We are beating up (just barely) on the team we should be beating. Both on the road and at home. On both ends of back to backs. It’s been a while since this team has given us this level of effort and execution. I’m thankful for a team that I can’t root for.

    In closing, I am thankful I am not the Knicks’ GM. Because with me at the helm Landry Fields probably ends up with the Spurs. Then Ted Nelson would write 2000 characters on how stupid I am, wait he does that now. ( I kid, I kid with you.)

    Happy Thanksgiving everybody.

  5. cwod

    I’m thankful for things like:

    1) Blocking shots!
    2) Amare’s dunks.
    3) Landry Fields, an intriguing Lee-like player.
    4) Gallo actually getting to the line a ton.
    5) The absence of Chris Duhon.
    6) Not having Joe Johnson/Rudy Gay eating up our cap space.

  6. Peter87

    rama: Z-man – to answer your post from a couple threads ago: “Still don’t understand how 2-7 with 10 FTs for 14 points is more efficient than 7-12 with no FTs for 14 points.”
    One way of measuring success on the basketball court is by possession – a team only gets the ball so many times in each game, so what a team does with each of those limited possessions is crucial to understanding why they succeed or fail.

    But, I thought the point was that shots taken does not measure posessions. Player A has 10 posessions, he goes 5-5 for 10 points. Player B has 10 posessions, he gets fouled every time, and makes 5 of 20 of his free throws. His line is 5 points on 0-0. So if you just say “Player A, 10 pts on 10 shots, ratio of 1.0. Player B, 5 points on 0 shots, infinite efficiency” it does seem like a meaningless statistic.
    Points/possessions makes sense, but is # possessions calculable from the typical box-score? Could approximate by # free-throws taken /2, but of course this ignores and-1′s and 3 for a 3 ptr.

  7. Mike Kurylo Post author

    Peter87: But, I thought the point was that shots taken does not measure posessions. Player A has 10 posessions, he goes 5-5 for 10 points. Player B has 10 posessions, he gets fouled every time, and makes 5 of 20 of his free throws. His line is 5 points on 0-0. So if you just say “Player A, 10 pts on 10 shots, ratio of 1.0. Player B, 5 points on 0 shots, infinite efficiency” it does seem like a meaningless statistic.
    Points/possessions makes sense, but is # possessions calculable from the typical box-score? Could approximate by # free-throws taken /2, but of course this ignores and-1?s and 3 for a 3 ptr.

    True shooting percentage attempts to take into account the number of possessions a players uses. [TS% = PTS/2(FGA + .44*FTA)]

    Player A would have a TS% of 100%. Player B would have a TS% of 114%.

  8. Mike Kurylo Post author

    To add TS% isn’t a perfect stat, as you can see from above. The problem is that the multiplier for free throws (.44) doesn’t work in every case. It’s an average, that is .44 of free throws end a possession. So in smaller doses it fails. In a larger scale it works very well.

  9. Frank O.

    First time this season I didn’t watch the game with my friends on knickerblogger, and I was the worst for it.
    I was very tired and sort of watching glassy-eyed.
    When the knicks got a big lead, I expected the ‘cats to make a run, and I expected it to get tight, and perhaps that the Knicks would lose because they are on the road, and it’s hard to sweep a home and home.
    But as the final minutes played out, I found myself quietly screaming at the TV as my wife and 7 year old slept. :)

    Defense down the stretch was great. Amare is tough, as is Will.
    Landry Fields is my new underdog favorite player, next to D Lee. He truly is MiniLee, but with a more balanced game.

    Mike:
    You are right that Amare is a more complete player than Lee. His timing on blocked shots is exquisite.
    Felton is better than I think anyone thought he was. He’s shooting 50 percent and his TS% and PER is better than anyone could have imagined.
    Gallo is finally playing within himself and just playing. He’s not thinking so much. I like his toughness. His dad was a bit of a bad ass enforcer for Milan and I suspect that has rubbed off on Gallo. Stephen Jackson is no cream puff, even without the 9mm hand gun, and Gallo didn’t back down. Jackson is a classic former-knick-type player. high volume, low percentage shooter.
    And Amare’s block at the end of his dunk was one of the toughest defensive plays I’ve seen by a Knick in many, many years.

    People are harping on the blown leads, with some justification, but in this case, when a team is playing at home, they are going to make runs. The Knicks seem unflappable on the road.

    And I can’t emphasize more how important the FT shooting is to this team. Not only can they get to the line, but they can hit most of their FTs. They continue to do that and they might just win 45-50 games.

    Watching the Heat right now, the Knicks are the better team. I’m not saying that will last. The big three may figure this out, but right now, the knicks have…

  10. Frank O.

    The better team. :)
    Damn character limits…:)

    And I too am thankful for this blog. A classy group of people.

    And, Ted, I know you’re reading. Don’t let the character limits bother you, and don’t let outliers bother you – they never usually do :) – you keep up keeping people honest and challenging unsubstantiated commentary!
    :)

  11. Z-man

    Yeah, the main point I’m trying to make is that we shouldn’t use total points per shots taken as a definite measure of a player’s efficiency for an individual game. Too often I hear something like “Player X had an inefficient 20 points on 18 shots” when in fact he went 10-18 and actually had a pretty efficient game. This can be true of other stats as well (Player X had 10 rebounds, but 8 of them came on uncontested missed FTs, so overall he didn’t have as good of a rebounding game as the stats would imply.) I agree that over the long haul there is a strong correlation between pts/shot taken and efficiency, but not as much for individual games.

  12. Z-man

    I am very thankful that we did not sell the house to get Melo, and that we got a chance to see what this team could be before making a trade out of desperation. These kids are fun to watch.

    I am thankful that we got Amar’e instead of Bosh. His poor positional defense, sloppy dribbling, spotty rebounding and erratic shot selection sometimes drive me nuts, but he is every bit the “force” we have been sorely lacking for a decade. His shot-blocking can be as spectacular as anyone that has ever worn a Knick uniform. We’ve played very well in all six games since he made his “urgency” comments. Yeah, he probably misses Nash, but who wouldn’t miss one of the best passers in NBA history? He is still dominating games in a variety of ways, the way a max player should, and clearly has the stature to call out his teammates.

    I am also thankful for this blog, for Mike K’s hard work, and for finally approaching to what appears to be the end of the long nightmare that was the 21st century Knicks.

  13. Peter87

    Mike Kurylo:
    True shooting percentage attempts to take into account the number of possessions a players uses. [TS% = PTS/2(FGA + .44*FTA)]Player A would have a TS% of 100%. Player B would have a TS% of 114%.  

    Sorry, I don’t follow completely; with that ’2′ in the denominator, wouldn’t Player have a TS% of 10 / 2 (10 + 0) = 50%? And Player B would have TS% of 5 / 2 (8.8) = 28.4%. Without the ’2′ (which makes more sense to me), A has 100% and B has 56.8%, so not too bad.
    So, summing up, .44*FTA seems like a reasonable estimate, but why not just say TS% = pts/posessions? I would think that stat is available these days.

  14. d-mar

    I am thankful that after last night’s win, Hollinger increased our playoff odds from 2.5% to 2.7% (-:

    (Turned on my radio this morning Derek Jeter to see what sports talk hosts Derek Jeter had to say about the Knicks Derek Jeter. Oh well… )

  15. JK47

    The whole “Big Three” concept is looking pretty dumb right now. It has left the Heat too thin and far too susceptible to injury. A couple of guys go down and you’re left with Juwan Howard, Eddie House and Jerry Stackhouse trying to hold down the fort.

    Thinking you can just fill out a roster with dreck because your three stars are going to do everything by themselves is some serious hubris in action.

  16. Nick C.

    Thankful for a team to root for, being able to sort of converse during the games and all the players for the reasons you all have already pointed out. Have a good one!

  17. mase

    as a bball fan im grateful for the team Walsh has put together starting with the coach… its a joy to watch and i’m hoping we will get better as the team builds chemistry.

    I’m excited to see Azabuike based on his numbers and the scouting reports, ie. 41% three point shooting and solid defense. will that move Fields to the 3 (his natural position)and Gallo to the 4, seems Turiaf is the odd man out?

  18. Dan Panorama

    So thankful for this blog, don’t know how I would have gotten through these last x seasons without you guys….

    A lot of people are singling out Chris Duhon’s departure for Thanksgiving cheer. I watched the MIA-ORL game last night and couldn’t be happier to see him gone, it was almost all I could focus on. Duhon kept getting open, just wide wide open and calling for the ball, and his teammates repeatedly refused to pass to him — they’ve already figured out that’s not an option.

  19. Z

    I’m thankful that Donnie Walsh didn’t feel compelled to buy two max players, even though he could. No Joe Johnson. No Rudy Gay. (No Chris Bosh!). All reasons to give thanks.

  20. ephus

    I am thankful that we finally have a team composed of players that are not playing out the string, a go-to low post player and the patience not to mortgage the future to get a big name.

  21. Aharon

    I am living overseas, so can’t really watch any games live. I am thankful for someone posting a while back the bt.davka.info site. Also, I’m just now watching the 2nd quarter of the Kings game, and am absolutely overjoyed that Ronny Turiaf screams like a crazy person after every Knick basket.
    Also, I’m thankful for this website- I have learned so much about the Knicks from the writers and fellow readers.

  22. Spree8nyk8

    Aharon:I am thankful for someone posting a while back the bt.davka.info site..  

    You are welcome sir! Also keep in mind you can watch most of the games live on ATDHE.net :)

  23. 3milb

    This seems like the best place to ask. Do we own our first round pick next year? or is it a swap picks deal with Houston.
    I am thankful for this website, longtime reader, new member.

  24. rama

    At the end of the last thread, Z-man posted a comparison of Derek Harper and Raymond Felton at age 26 – startlingly similar. Check it out if you haven’t yet. And thanks, Z-man! I remember Harper being a better shooter than he was, but he was still pretty good, and the comparison makes it clear that Felton could be a good piece on a contending team.

    Of course, this team isn’t a contending team. To start with, it doesn’t have a Ewing on it…oh wait, it does! Ok, rephrase: this team doesn’t have a HoF center blocking shots and demanding double-teams in the paint…oh wait, it kind of does! (If you count Amare’s minutes at C.) Hmmm. Maybe we’re expecting too little out of this bunch….

    Nah. Finishing .500 is a great place to start in terms of building a contender for years to come.

  25. massive

    I’m thankful for the fact that our 1st lottery pick came in 2008. There was a lot of talent in the lottery that year (Rose, Beasley, Mayo, Westbrook, Love, Gallo, Gordon, Lopez, Randolph), and I think we ended up with the most efficient scorer of the bunch, and probably the best wing (out of Mayo, Gordon, and Gallo). I’m also thankful for this blog. Without knickerblogger.net, I wouldn’t even know what advanced stats are. I love reading this blog, and I hope Ted Nelson starts posting again.

  26. cgreene

    I am thankful that the Knicks are competitive and likable. I would be very hesitant to pull the trigger on a Fields/Gallo/Curry deal for Melo.

    I also would like Ted to continue to post with one caveat: his first post needs to be “Why I was wrong about Raymond Felton”!!! Raymond represents a toughness that reminds us of our favorite Knicks teams of the ’90s. Personally, I love him warts and all.

  27. scogg888

    As a young Knick fan who was too young to care during the Ewing years, I am thankful that I found this website years ago and was convinced to remain loyal to the Knicks even with the sub-mediocre play and terrible front-office. It would feel good to be able to say I was there even in the rough times if the recent play becomes more of a consistent norm.

    Thanks to all the posters, this is really a site that seems to pride itself on taking part in intelligent basketball debate, and it has been really helpful in trying to gain knowledge about the sport and the Knicks themselves.

    Also, a big thank you to atdhe.net and all similar websites for allowing me to actually be able to watch the Knicks during this potential comeback year.

    Thanks to all the new players who may not be the best from a statistician’s point of view, but are actually committed to winning and trying to improve every game. It is something that this team has been missing for way too long.

  28. Z-man

    @29 rama,

    Thanks for the shout-out. I actually thought of the comparison during the last game. Caleb’s post refuting the comparison compelled me to check out the stats at the same age, and I was actually surprised to see that they were even more similar stat-wise than I would have thought.

    I’ve been trying to come up with a match for Landry Fields. One of the announcers suggested Matt Barnes, who I also thought of but quickly dismissed as to low a bar for Landry. Upon further review, my skepticism was justified. Their stats for this season are somewhat comparable, but what is so impressive about Fields is that he is doing as a rookie what Barnes is doing in what is thus far a career year for him. Someone here had suggested Childress, and there are definite statistical similarities. I thought of Dan Majerle, but Landry is a better rebounder so far.

  29. Robert Silverman

    Knick-wise, I’m thankful that Mike K’s been willing to publish my semi-coherent, rambling screeds the past 1.5 years, that a site like this, where educated, stat-driven analysis/conversations are the norm, exists, and that all the commenters allow me to punctuate said smart dialogue w/emotional rants like, “We’re getting hosed by the refs, AGAIN!”

    And Ronny Turiaf’s mid 90′s Knicks-esque defense & intensity (and his beard)

    And Landry “Mini-Lee” Fields’ preposterous b-ball IQ, knack for being in the right place at the right time, and unfathomably hot mom

    And Danilo’s expanding (flop-tastic) game

    And Stat’s missing uni number

    And Ray-Ray Felton’s emergence/plausible comparison to Chauncey Billups/Derek Harper

    And Anthony Randolph. Who I’ll probably spend the year hoping/begging that he gets playing time, because…well…he’s bound to have a breakout game eventually, right? Right??

  30. GHenman

    I’m thankful for this blog, which makes being a Knick fan in Charlotte alot more enjoyable. Following this team is like listening to a great new band that no one else has heard of yet.

  31. Caleb

    @35 True it’s awfully similar. Partly I was thinking of the NY Harper, when he was on the back half of his career. Back then, before league pass, I can’t say I saw him play much in Dallas, when he was an actual All-Star. In making a stat comparison, you should factor in that shooting percfentage, league-wide, was lower in the 80s and 90s than it is now – I’d guess 2 or 3 points although I’m too lazy to look it up. So Harper’s #s are better in that regard. And I still don’t think they are similar, style-wise – even if they end up with similar results.

  32. Z-man

    Yeah, as one of the old-timers on this site (started listening to every knick game back around 1966!) I saw plenty of Harper. I would say that they were physically different, and that Harper was no longer an up-tempo guard at age 34, but there are some glaring similarities. Both were similar in their approach to scoring, good inside and outside but not great at either; both had an intensity and relentlessness about them, neither a particularly instinctive passer. There is even something similar about their facial expressions.

    Re: shooting percentage, I think it is balanced out by the fact that Harper played on some really good teams. Dallas was a perennial playoff team when he was there: Blackman, Agguire, Vincent, Perkins, Schrempf, Brad Davis, etc. Also, the eighties NBA Wild, Wild West was as run-and-gun of a conference as there ever was. The Mavs scored 109 pts per game and were still only 10th in the league. Seemed like every team out there played SSoL! To be honest, I didn’t Harper lost very much from the old days when he came to the Knicks, only the style of play was different.

    Still, high praise for Felton if he can keep his play comparable to Harper’s.

  33. bbbb00123

    I’m thankful for many things, but there are two major things.
    First off, I’m thankful that after becoming a knick fan about 5 years ago, they’re finally playing well. Its hard to keep watching a team expecting them to lose every night. Finally, at the start of every single game, I think there’s a chance for a win, regardless of who we play.

    Secondly, i’m thankful for this website. I have rarely ever posted, only once or twice probably years ago, but just because i don’t post doesn’t mean i don’t get insight out of it. I’m a huge fan of the more statistical part of the game, and knowing that players like Landry Fields and Ronnie Turiaf are better players than shot chuckers who take a ton of shots and only make a few.

    I don’t know if this is the case with many people, but I read countless debates had on this website, I just simply don’t post. I’m thankful there’s such a smart blog out there, and i’m sure many other people feel that way, even if they never post or talk about it.

  34. Z-man

    Speaking of of Indiana, has anyone noticed that Roy Hibbert is quietly developing into a pretty good player?

  35. steveoh

    I’m thankful for living in a time that whenever we hear from Isiah, it has no impact whatsoever on our roster or cap space.

  36. rama

    Z-man: Speaking of of Indiana, has anyone noticed that Roy Hibbert is quietly developing into a pretty good player?  

    Definitely – didn’t he have a couple good games against us last year? I seem to remember him and Earl Barron going toe to toe…one of the stranger moments of a lost season, two “who?” players doing well against each other.

    Of course, I could be totally making that up. It was that kind of year – better left forgotten.

    steveoh: I’m thankful for living in a time that whenever we hear from Isiah, it has no impact whatsoever on our roster or cap space.  

    Bite your tongue, SteveOh!!

  37. Spree8nyk8

    My personal opinion about the Melo situation is that he wants to play in NY and doesn’t want that to cause them to blow up a good situation. Forcing NY to give up Gallo and other “assets” (even if other media sources will not refer to them as so) would be detrimental to the team and if he is patient he can join a Knicks team that is intact and ready to go.

    I know that is a completely biased opinion but given the stance that he has not forced a trade OR signed the extension it seems to have a little bit of weight to it. I mean think about it, if you see a possibility to go somewhere that not only do you want to play for, but someone that also has a pretty good team starting to come together why not just wait a few extra months and make that good team a great team. Rather than making that good team a “gooder” team.

  38. Bristol Knick

    Hello Everyone,

    Knicks fan residing in Bristol, UK here. I’ve been using this site for about a year now so I thought it was about time I registered and posted something. I’ve been an NYK fan since the days of Ewing, Starks etc. The reason I follow the team is that a friend had a holiday to NYC around the time we both got into the NBA in the early 90′s and he came back with Starks vest for me – so now I’m a Knicks fan for life ! I hoping to make it to a Knicks game one day as so far I’ve only been to a GSW-Raptors game (back in 2006) and next year when in LA I’ll be taking in the Clippers-Raptors game to see if Griffin is the real deal or not.

    Anyway back to the original title of this thread – I am thankful for the all analysis on the games/trades etc from everyone on here as it gives me a different insight into everything from that which I usually get from ESPN, SI, Fox etc. Keep up the good work everyone and here’s to a successful seaon and hopefully a spot in the play-offs !

  39. David Crockett

    I’m thankful for this blog’s analytical balance. It has great writers–present company excluded–and fantastic commentators.

  40. Z-man

    I just read that Turiaf’s knee is really sore and that the trainers recommended that he rest it. It is pretty predictable that if we keep using Turiaf as a starter and/or for extended minutes, he’s not gonna last. Mozgov and Randolph do not appear to be ready for extended minutes. Stat shouldn’t be playing any more than he is right now, and shouldn’t be playing the 5 any more than he is right now. There’s gonna be some tough decisions to make re: the 5, and at some point, it might be prudent to at least look at Curry if he is in shape and ready to go. I know there is all the baggage, but if he can help ease the wear and tear on Turiaf without costing us wins, I’m all for it.

    Being that D’Antoni’s leash is getting shorter, I wonder if he will consider it.

  41. d-mar

    @52 Z-man, I see your point, but I just feel like nothing but bad things will happen the second Eddy steps on the court – off. fouls, stupid fouls on the defensive end, etc. If Turiaf is really hurting, I’d rather roll the dice with Moz and AR than put fat Eddy out there.

    As far as being thankful, I’m thankful that when we play most teams in the NBA this year, I don’t feel like the other team has all the talent like in years past. A good example is today’s game – is the talent gap really that big between us and the Hawks? I’d give them the edge, but not by much.

  42. Z-man

    @54 Maybe Stat and Felton will be able to set Eddy straight, clearly it’s their team now. Just worry that Moz and AR are complete zero’s on the offensive end right now. Let’s hope that Turiaf doesn’t require extended rest and that Moz steps up.

  43. Z

    Moz is a zero on the offensive end. But so is Eddy. He hasn’t played for years. Why would he step in and contribute? Even MJ took some time to get up to speed after his layoff, and it’s safe to say EC ain’t no MJ (double negative and all). We are WAY better off playing the guys we have, both in the long AND short term.

    (ps– it’s often in times of injury when young players get their chance to establish themselves. Let necessity breed success, the way good teams do!)

  44. MSA

    Turiaf is kind of a zero on the offensive end too.

    Except for some good passes he doesn’t have much to do on that side of the court. He’s value is on defense.

    Althought is a loss for the team I think AR and Mozgov can pretty much handle the defensive needs.

  45. massive

    We can’t afford to see Turiaf in a suit again. At least not until Mozgov and Randolph show that they deserve extended minutes.

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