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Thursday, October 30, 2014

Weekend Thread 11/2/2008 (or Mitch Lawrence May {Insert Anything You Want Here})

Don’t forget, New York plays tonight at 6pm. So make sure you change the Giants-Cowboys game at halftime to catch the Knicks and Bucks. Some news from the local papers…

The Post’s Mike Vaccaro doing his Humpty Dumpty impersonation, staying on the fence on the Marbury/D’Antoni issue.

Those who chanted for Marbury had every right to do it (despite what D’Antoni might really think) because as a basketball player Marbury has never been a bust, and at 31 should still have plenty of game left in his legs. But D’Antoni has every right to purge the very essence of Marbury, too, because if his talent hasn’t failed him as a Knick, his time here has been a failure nonetheless.

A small blurb at Newsday about Walsh’s handling of Zach Randolph.

Several team executives are marveling at Donnie Walsh’s handling of the Zach Randolph situation. “Donnie is playing his hand perfectly on Zach,” said one executive, predicting that teams will be lining up at the trade deadline with better offers for Z-Bo than Walsh turned down this past summer.

Mitch Lawrence, proving that you can make up titles as long as you put the word “may” in them, has an article titled “Donnie Walsh may ask Stephon Marbury to stay home.” Of course, there aren’t any quotes from Walsh saying that he will ask Marbury to stay at home. Walsh’s quotes from the article:

“I’d like to get into it and find out as soon as possible,” Walsh said after practice Saturday in Greenburgh. “I want to direct my attention to it, that’s for sure. I don’t think it’s fair to anybody, really. In other words, find out where this can go and then make a decision.”

“It’s going to take a little while to work itself out and see what we should do with this,” Walsh said. “I haven’t talked to anybody about it. I think I need to know more about it. The way it should work out, it will work out. I’m not sure what that is right now.”

“Look, I think it’s hard on Stephon Marbury,” Walsh said. “It’s been hard. I think he’s dealt with it very well.”

87 comments on “Weekend Thread 11/2/2008 (or Mitch Lawrence May {Insert Anything You Want Here})

  1. scogg25

    Gotta admit I was pretty pissed when Randolph didn’t get moved to the Clippers but I did understand Walsh’s reasoning behind it. Now it seems like it’s going to pay off with Randolph already looking much better than last year.

  2. Italian Stallion

    After game #1, Walsh looked brilliant.

    After game #2’s shooting debacle and the sore knee that followed, I’m less sure. ;-)

  3. Stan G.

    Um, have you ever worked in real journalism? You do realize that copy editors write headlines, not writers, right?
    Far be it from me to defend Lawrence, but he don’t write the heads, chief!

  4. Mike K. (KnickerBlogger) Post author

    Stan G. – I didn’t major in journalism, but I have heard that writers don’t choose the titles to their articles. It’s funny because this is not the first time I’ve written about this, and there’s always someone who informs me of this fact. And maybe I look like an idiot to an insider, however right under the title it says “BY MITCH LAWRENCE”. I can’t get over that if it has the authors name right there, he’s not culpable for the title. It’s like Charles Barkley not reading his autobiography.

    Also “Mitch Lawrence May …” is funnier than “Mitch Lawrence’s Copy Editor May …” And on that note, I just want to say I spent 10 minutes writing funny things that Mitch Lawrence may be doing. However I decided to leave it open, hoping that people would comment with their own funny lines.

  5. Stan G.

    Well, despite the lack of a journalism degree, you’re doing a fine job with the blog. Just read my comment back and realized it came off snarkier than intended. As a copy editor by trade, it’s a bit of a pet peeve for me when people don’t understand the various newsroom roles. My bad.
    Keep up the good work.

  6. Italian Stallion

    Sorry to take this far off optic, but does anyone know where I can get the average FG%, FT%, 3 point%, PPG, PP 36min, by position for the NBA?

    I’m trying to create my own stat and I need averages.

    Thanks

  7. Mike K. (KnickerBlogger) Post author

    Well, despite the lack of a journalism degree, you’re doing a fine job with the blog. Just read my comment back and realized it came off snarkier than intended. As a copy editor by trade, it’s a bit of a pet peeve for me when people don’t understand the various newsroom roles. My bad.
    Keep up the good work.

    I didn’t take it as snarky. There are aspects of my profession that people generally don’t understand either, am I’m sure I’ve come off as 1000 times more snarky when speaking on that topic. And to be honest until I started this blog and someone corrected me, I would have never known this to be the case.

    Oh and thanks for the compliment, especially since you are a copy editor (something I wish I had at times).

  8. Italian Stallion

    Any word on Zach and if he is playin tonight????

    I read that he IS playing, but I’m not sure if that report was correct. I’m hoping he plays but get limited minutes so we can see more of Chandler and Gallinari and still hopefully get a win. Jerome James may get some minutes tonight. LOL

  9. Italian Stallion

    Wow, Bogut has made Lee look bad on defense.

    He’s not a great defender to begin with, but he’s overmatched against most centers. I don’t think this Randolph/Lee experiment is going to work on the defensive end. Not that I have a solution or am saying anything that everyone doesn’t already know, but we need a real defensive center.

  10. cwod

    I just thought that statement was kind of funny (and obviously false).

    I generally find Clyde fairly entertaining.

    Chandler is pretty impressive outside of his shaky scoring.

  11. Ray

    This is where we miss Marbury attacking the basket. D-fence would collapse on him creating the open shot. Now we are taking a bunch of bad jumpshots.

  12. cwod

    The Bucks have missed some easy layups against the Knicks’ four-guard unit. It must be the Zach Randolph intimidation factor.

  13. BigBlueAL

    My 1st-half analysis for tonight’s game, Chris Duhon needs to stop handling the ball so much and Chandler needs to find a conscious.

  14. Italian Stallion

    Well, this is why we kept Roberson instead of Ewing Jr. We don’t have a decent shooter on the team.

  15. Ted Nelson

    Jamal Crawford actually passing on a last second play… things really are different this season.

  16. Italian Stallion

    I hate to tell you guys, but we shouldn’t find Chandler having another rough night very amusing because he’s out most talented player. If he doesn’t improve, we are BIG GIANT GOOSE EGG with no 2010 Pick!

  17. Ray

    Is it possible for Walsh to hold on to Marbury and Z-bo til the trading deadline and perhaps we could cut salary and get some picks?

  18. D

    Is it possible for Walsh to hold on to Marbury and Z-bo til the trading deadline and perhaps we could cut salary and get some picks?

    I could see a situation where Z-bo has a decent year and at the trade deadline is traded for a shorter contract and a late draft pick.

    I don’t see how Steph could be traded for a pick unless some team is trying to dump salary for next season, but I don’t think even that is possible because stephs contract is so hard to match.

  19. Mike K. (KnickerBlogger) Post author

    My 1st-half analysis for tonight’s game, Chris Duhon needs to stop handling the ball so much and Chandler needs to find a conscious.

    I don’t know if Chandler needs a conscience as much as someone needs to tell him he’s allowed to pass the ball to one of his teammates.

  20. Wilson C.
    My 1st-half analysis for tonight’s game, Chris Duhon needs to stop handling the ball so much and Chandler needs to find a conscious.

    I don’t know if Chandler needs a conscience as much as someone needs to tell him he’s allowed to pass the ball to one of his teammates.

    I am? But what if there is only 1 second left on the 7 second shot clock?

  21. Gorky

    What’s annoying is everyone thinks they can shoot 3s. D’Antoni will not make you a better shooter.

  22. BigBlueAL

    You know what was the most telling quot Coach D said durin the pre-season and it is so damn true, these players have so many bad/losing habits until they break those they will continue losing games making bone-headed plays and leaving so many guys wide open for jumpers its ridiculous.

    This is such a poorly constructed roster it will take alot more than just getting under the cap and signing Lebron in 2010 to make this team a contender again…

  23. BigBlueAL

    WHY IN THE WORLD when the Knicks need to score to catch up do they bring in Mardy Collins!?!?!?!

  24. Thomas B.

    WHY IN THE WORLD when the Knicks need to score to catch up do they bring in Mardy Collins!?!?!?!

    Yeah if only we had a former All-Star back court player who had career scoring ans assist averages that were rivaled only by Oscar Roberton. Is there anyone on this team with a history even close to that? Hmmm. Roberson? Nah, too young. Crawford? Nah too few asts. Well, at least we got Mardy.

  25. BigBlueAL
    WHY IN THE WORLD when the Knicks need to score to catch up do they bring in Mardy Collins!?!?!?!

    Yeah if only we had a former All-Star back court player who had career scoring ans assist averages that were rivaled only by Oscar Roberton. Is there anyone on this team with a history even close to that? Hmmm. Roberson? Nah, too young. Crawford? Nah too few asts. Well, at least we got Mardy.

    Honestly I could care less about Marbury not playing because I understand the reasoning for not playing him. I wish they would just cut him and be done with it to be perfectly honest.

  26. Thomas B.

    WHY IN THE WORLD when the Knicks need to score to catch up do they bring in Mardy Collins!?!?!?!

    Yeah if only we had a former All-Star back court player who had career scoring ans assist averages that were rivaled only by Oscar Roberton. Is there anyone on this team with a history even close to that? Hmmm. Roberson? Nah, too young. Crawford? Nah too few asts. Well, at least we got Mardy.

    Honestly I could care less about Marbury not playing because I understand the reasoning for not playing him. I wish they would just cut him and be done with it to be perfectly honest.

    Marbury? I was talking about Clyde. Put down that Mike and help us the hell out!!

  27. Owen

    Was at the game. Not sure what i can add that wasn’t clear on the telecast.

    Lee did struggle, but to me it was more because of two early fouls then anything else. D’Antoni pulled him quickly and he didn’t really get into it. He had one decent spell in the second half and then got pulled again for an outside shooter.

    He had no problems with Villanueva, but Bogut had his number. I think Lee struggled against the Bucks last year too actually. Frankly, Bogut is a tough cover for a lot of people unless you foul him.

    Chandler is now averaging 19.4 fga per 36 this year. Kobe Bryant’s career average is 18.8. Really, a horrible performance by him. He dribbles with his head down, very fundamentally unsound. He looked like the player I have been worried he will end up as. I went with a friend ( formerly NYC Third Team All-City) who was considering trading for him in a fantasy league and he really wasn’t happy with what he saw.

    So, some of the emerging storylines for the season.

    The Emergence of David Lee as an NBA star = took a step back tonight
    Developing Crawford and Randolph as Trade Bait = Step back
    The Coronation of Wilson Chandler = Delayed
    Nate is the New Barbosa = Eh. 5 turnovers.
    The ability of Small Ball to outquick Tall Ball = Step Back
    Steph Chants in the Garden = Heard tonight

    Where the hell was the vaunted transition game? Hardly saw any of that

    And since he asked, T, here is your shout out, thanks for the ticket and the company…

  28. Z-man

    It is in games when the perimeter guys (Crawford, Chandler and Zach) are off that Steph is most valuable. He knows how to draw fouls better than anyone on the team, and the difference is even more pronounced vs. bigger teams.

    Duhon had another dubious game and was totally outplayed by Sessions. Anyone worried?

  29. Brendan

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3678947

    “Walsh said he couldn’t envision a scenario where Marbury would be with the Knicks and inactive the rest of the season.”

    “”I haven’t talked it out with anybody. I want to talk to Mike, see where this is going to go because I’m unclear, I think like everybody is,” Walsh said.”

    Clown shoes. Shouldn’t the GM and coach-of-his-choosing have had a plan for the treatment of the team’s highest paid player/biggest cause celebre before the season? 3 games in they’re on different pages…?

  30. Mase

    I missed another game but after reading the boxscore we have yet to hit bottom…dantoni needs a refresher course before things get better.

    Question:
    A. since nyc is a defensive minded town,Is the coach going to adapt his gameplan?
    B. Our most potent guard is inactive, how does this help our short or long term plan?
    C. Is dantoni the wrong coach, ie. Larry brown?

    My feeling Is that it’s too early to tell but with every new regime optimism seems more fleeting..if we fail to make the playoffs this new regime has failed in dolan’s eyes but not in ours. It’s a sucess for us because of the high draft pick.

    Quite a dilemma Knicker bloggers!

  31. jon abbey

    Lee looked awful tonight, maybe the worst game I ever remember him playing.

    Jamal totally disappeared again, I’ll never understand how someone as talented as him can do that so frequently.

    I want to see Gallinari getting at least a few minutes every game, this team isn’t going anywhere anyway so let’s at least get him some PT.

  32. daJudge

    I missed another game but after reading the boxscore we have yet to hit bottom…dantoni needs a refresher course before things get better.
    Question:A. since nyc is a defensive minded town,Is the coach going to adapt his gameplan?B. Our most potent guard is inactive, how does this help our short or long term plan?C. Is dantoni the wrong coach, ie. Larry brown?
    My feeling Is that it’s too early to tell but with every new regime optimism seems more fleeting..if we fail to make the playoffs this new regime has failed in dolan’s eyes but not in ours. It’s a sucess for us because of the high draft pick.
    Quite a dilemma Knicker bloggers!

  33. DaJudge

    Sorry, I screwed up the procedure once again. Anyway, I agree with Mase. It’s great to have a system, but before a team has an identity, they need the horses. Too bad we don’t have Steph, who could at least drive, draw a foul and put the ball in the hoop. Oh wait, we do have him, sort of….If the Knicks can’t create turnovers, throw outlets, run and shoot, the system will not work and Dantoni will not be suceessful. In fact, the problem is compounded because they will instead chuck up quick stupid shots, play no D and be awful to watch. Hey, it sounds like last night.

  34. Italian Stallion

    The hope was that a good offensive system would get some of our medicore/bad outside shooters much better looks and that would improve their efficiency. That’s exactly what was happening in pre-season and in the first game. I’m not sure what happened in the last two games, but they aren’t passing the ball or running well. It’s like they reverted back to last year. This is something D’Antoni needs to figure out.

    Other than that, we knew going in we didn’t have a very good all around player on this team. At best we have a couple of competent ones. Even worse, our only two prospects for developing a very good player haven’t looked good (other than Chandler in pre season and game one). Both Gallinari and Chandler are very young and even more inexperienced. But the fact is that Gallinari did not look very athletic at all in the handful of minutes he’s played. Also, someone has to explain to Chandler that just because you have the athletic ability to get “a shot” or you are open for a three pointer, that doesn’t mean you should be taking it.

    Three games is WAAAAY too soon to be throwing in the towel on either, but I think it will be easier to teach Chandler how to play basketball than to teach Gallinari how to run fast, jump high, and move quickly.

    Seriously, we need to pray that one of these two starts developing. If it turns out we have two more role players, we are a giant goose egg with no 2010 draft pick, no way to trade for a high level player, and 3 players away from being a good team. No one worth anything is going to come to this team as a free agent in a couple of years to be part of a total rebuilding process.

  35. Ted Nelson

    The Bucks D did look good, but that was pathetic. To me the problems were–as always with the Knicks–movement and settling for (bad) jumpers (and D, naturally). If D’Antoni is really encouraging Randolph and Chandler, especially, to stand in one spot and take contested jumpers (not really spot-up mind you, just sort of stand there in a crowd and wait for the ball to go up with it and shoot right away) then he’s a whole lot dumber than I thought. He better start getting hands on quickly because there is no Steve Nash to run this show, most of these guys really don’t know how to play basketball. It wasn’t just an act for the first however many years of their careers. One encouraging sign could be that after one previous year under D’Antoni Q is excelling in the offense.

    D’Antoni also strikes me as one stubborn, arrogant SOB. Not good traits for the coach of a losing team to have, especially in NYC.

    I am noticing the Clyde Police’s point about negativity, although I don’t see how it could possibly effect the team. I think it speaks to the toxic work environment created by Jimmy Boy in all the companies he runs. I mean if I were sitting there with a front-row seat to the side show act that is the NYKs, I would be negative too.

  36. Ted Nelson

    Ok, maybe I’m overreacting. They do look a bit better than last season. Have to have some patience.
    Chandler is definitely the Knicks best defender since… Renaldo Balkman. But seriously, they all at least seemed to care on D. Randolph seems infinitely better at guarding 5s. And I really am impressed with Chandler if he would learn to shoot and/or shoot less.

    IS,

    Danilo has a bulging disk in his back and his preseason consisted of shooting around on a side court while his teammates played basketball. He’s not an above average NBA athlete, but he’s not a stiff athletically either (or wasn’t before the back injury). I don’t know how good he’ll be (most likely nothing incredible, unfortunately), but this 11 minute sample is clearly not representative of the player he is.

    The difference between bad-mediocre role players and great role players is huge. Every rotation has 8 or 9 guys who have their own “role.” If in 2 seasons the Knicks have 4 players who excel at their roles and know how to play the game the “right way” in Lee, Robinson, Chandler, and Gallinari (potentially, or someone acquired in trading them) then they’ve laid a good foundation.
    Throw in a good 2009 pick, a 2010 free agent or two (even if it’s not LeBron/Bosh/Wade), and maybe a player/pick or two acquired unloading Crawford/Randolph/Curry/etc. and the Knicks actually have an NBA caliber rotation. Yeah, an incredible “superstar” player would be great, but it’s not very often you land one of those with the #6 or #23 pick. If Walshtoni makes sound moves they’re pretty likley to stumble into at least an All-Star caliber player or two at some point.

  37. Italian Stallion

    Ted,

    At this point I don’t care much about Gallinari’s shooting, defense, or any other stats he earns early this season. The sample size, his youth and inexperience etc.. makes it all irrelevant (as it is for the rest of the team after only 3 games). The injury and missed time are also a factor.

    However, I saw 2nd/3rd string players on the Sixers/Heat moving relative to him and they were clearly faster, quicker, and much better jumpers. IMO, he’s going to have a tough time creating his own shots and defending against legitimate high level NBA players unless the injury is preventing him from moving well.

    IMO, he’s going to have to be a great shooter, great free throw shooter, and excellent passer to be the kind of impact player I was hoping for. We don’t need any more role players or even very good role players. We need three all-star or borderline all stars. I’m not sure we have a potential one here.

  38. Ted Nelson

    “Randolph seems infinitely better at guarding 5s.”

    Going for the threepeat post… I meant than Lee on low-post big guys like Bogut.

  39. Owen

    “Going for the threepeat post… I meant than Lee on low-post big guys like Bogut.”

    Bah. Infinitely better? Infinitely?

    They were both terrible last night….

  40. joeyd

    ok, im sooo ready for marbury to play. This system is so perfect for him. Its unfair to punish him for past indescretions. He is perfect in this system that requires you to play and not think (thinking being his weakness as long as no one interviews him he would be doubling dunhon’s production.

    we get the message, if marbury doesnt toe the company line he will replaced by duhon, ok, we get it. Sit the dukie, play marbury for 40 minutes per night!!

  41. Ted Nelson

    IS,

    You interupted my 3-peat… kidding.

    Again, when your back is stiff and you haven’t played in preseason you’re likely to be a little rusty (not only skills wise, but run-jump wise). He’s got a strong handle for a 6-10 guy and got to the FT line at a very high rate in the Euroleague, I don’t think his athleticism will hurt him on the court (we all saw the put back dunk in Summer League and his youtube highlight reals, the guy is decidedly not a total stiff). Guys like Darius Miles and Stro Swift are complete athletic freaks, but got/get abused on a nightly basis by mediocre athletes with basketball skills who know how to play.
    I’m not completely sold on Gallinari, but I think his work ethic, basketball IQ, and shot are going to decide his NBA success, and not his run/jump athletic ability. Walshtoni knew they weren’t getting a great athlete when they took him. If in 4 seasons the Knicks are getting, say, 16 to 20 pts/36 at a .55-.60 TS%, 35-40% 3-pt shooting, 15 to 20 ast-rate, 8 to 10 reb-rate, and passable to solid D, I’ll be happy to thrilled with the pick.

    I’m not sure how you define role players vs. All-Stars. People use “role player” to mean different things (most people to mean someone who’s not a high-volume scorer), and I don’t really see the use in classifying people as nothing more than either one or the other.
    IMO, a lot of “borderline All-Stars” are the Zach Randolphs and Jamal Crawfords of the world, who put up “hollow” stats or someone who scores a lot on a good team. On the other hand, Ben Wallace (4) and Peja Stojakovic (3) have combined for 7 All-Star appearances even though they are very decidedly role players (at least the way I assume you’re using the term: guys who excel in one or two areas but have obvious definicencies in other areas, or maybe just overall stink but still get to play in the NBA).
    Don’t get me wrong, I want the next Duncan, Magic, AND MJ on the Knicks for 10 straight title runs as badly as anyone, but I would also love a solid title contender or even a solid playoff team. Right now the Knicks don’t even have many good role players, so having several would be a huge step-up, IMO.

  42. Ted Nelson

    Owen,

    I didn’t think they were all that bad defensively. Maybe the Bucks just aren’t that good offensively (their 60% FT shooting certainly bailed the Knicks out), but only Redd and Mbah a Moute really killed them scoring wise.

  43. jon abbey

    “Maybe the Bucks just aren’t that good offensively (their 60% FT shooting certainly bailed the Knicks out), but only Redd and Mbah a Moute really killed them scoring wise.”

    so you didn’t see the game and are just looking at the box score? because with all due respect this statement has zero connection to the actual game, in which Bogut, Sessions and Villanueva carried the team the whole game and Redd was a non-factor for quite some time, then hit a few buckets, then sprained his ankle and didn’t come back.

  44. Ted Nelson

    Jon,

    It doesn’t matter when Redd’s points came, he scored 16 points on 8 shots and 5 FTs. Bogut scored 13 points on 11 shots and 5 FTs, Sessions scored 18 points on 17 shots and 4 FTs, and Chuck scored 16 points on 17 shots and 0 Fts. Using a lot of possessions and not scoring many many points on them is not carrying the scoring load.

    Obviously you can’t just do this all else equal, but theoretically if Redd scores only 10 points (1-3 from 3 and 2-5 from the line) the Knicks are right in the game until the end. If Redd doesn’t injure his ankle and keeps shooting like that the Knicks lose by a lot more.

  45. Ted Nelson

    ¨”shooting like that”

    I hate Mondays, I mean keeps shooting the way he really did in the actual game.

  46. jon abbey

    Jon,
    It doesn’t matter when Redd’s points came, he scored 16 points on 8 shots and 5 FTs. Bogut scored 13 points on 11 shots and 5 FTs, Sessions scored 18 points on 17 shots and 4 FTs, and Chuck scored 16 points on 17 shots and 0 Fts. Using a lot of possessions and not scoring many many points on them is not carrying the scoring load.

    I genuinely respect the perspective you bring to this site, but this proves why stats are no substitute for watching the game. for one thing, some of Bogut’s and Villanueva’s extra shots came from crashing/dominating the inside, Bogut would get doubled, miss, Villanueva would put it in. Redd was a non-factor for most of the game, no matter what the box score days.

  47. Owen

    “Redd was a non-factor for most of the game, no matter what the box score says.”

    You watched the game? I did too, and I disagree with you on this.

    Redd was big in the third quarter. The Knicks were mounting a rally and he hit two free throws, a three, and had a nice assist to Bogut.

    Honestly, I don’t think you can really say a guy who went 3-3 from three 4-8 from the field, and 5-5 from the line had no impact. That really doesn’t make any sense.

  48. Ted Nelson

    Jon,

    I didn’t really feel the need to say this, but I watched the game (missed the first 5 minutes or so). I never said anything about who carried the team (Redd had all of 2 reb and 1 assist). I said who really “killed [the Knicks] scoring wise,” meaning who scored very efficiently against the Knicks. The Knicks held your big 3 and Milwaukee as a team to under 1 point per possession and under 50% TS%, the loss is on the Knicks offense. (They would have won the game if their defense was better, obviously, but they’re not a good defensive team so that’s why I put the loss on their O on a night when either they played good D or the other team’s offense sucked almost as much as their own).

  49. Z-man

    How does Stephon Marbury have so many fans? It’s incredible to me.

    Owen,
    I’m not a fan of Stephon Marbury. I am a fan of the best players (even given the quirks of a particular coach’s system) play, and of player minutes being earned and based on the situation in a particular game. I think that, in line with the statements made by D’Antoni and Walsh, steph has earned significant playing time and that he would help the team right now far mor than he would hurt them. As to the future, I don’t see any compelling reason why playing the preseason version of Steph the same way he was utilized during preseason. It seemed that there was balance then between the present reality and the future vision.

    Now as we watch Duhon getting outplayed by opposing PGs, I don’t understand the big commitment to him. Has his stats thus far justified such an expanded role? He’s not exactly a rookie and had ample opportunity to show his wares in Chicago (avgd 20-30 minutes a year for 4 years.)

  50. Ted Nelson

    WTF… AI for Billups and McDyess… hoopshype.com says a tentative agreement has been reached.

  51. njhoop

    Knicks grand tradition of turning scrubs into stars continued last night with the great Ramon Sessions, Luke Ridnour’s BACKUP! The guy almost had a triple double; isn’t Duhon at worst supposed to be a good defensive PG? Damn, 3 games in and I’m already pissed off at this team, and wondering whether surpassing 23 wins is a stretch.

  52. jon abbey

    Duhon mostly guarded Redd and shut him down for most of the first half.

    “wondering whether surpassing 23 wins is a stretch.”

    well, yeah, welcome to reality.

  53. Owen

    Redd scored 16 points in 26 minutes without a turnover with a ts% of 78% and he got shut down? I eman he got hurt halfway through the third…

    Sessions had a good night but he committed five turnovers also. I don’t know, to me Bogut was the most effective Buck with Redd a close second….

  54. nj hoop

    Regardless of who burned who, I think we can all agree that there are way too many players in the NBA who feast on Knick defenders, and a lot of them are far from All Stars.

  55. jon abbey

    Redd scored 16 points in 26 minutes without a turnover with a ts% of 78% and he got shut down? I eman he got hurt halfway through the third…

    he didn’t hit a shot from the field until 4 minutes were left in the second quarter. admittedly he had only taken one up until then, but that’s my point, “shut down for most of the first half”.

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