Utah Jazz 100 – New York Knicks 112 – Game Recap

When I was a teenager, I used to play on a local basketball team. It was a thing right out of the most cliched underdog sport movies: scrawny kids with glasses, uncoordinated tall guys, a fat kid who couldn’t move but shot fairly well and a couple legitimately good players (one of them, my partner in crime in the post, was so good that he got an invite to try out for Fortitudo Bologna – a Serie A team, but of course we’re talking about their young academy). Problem is, we were always – always – shorthanded. While that explains why a 5’9″ guy like me would routinely end up playing 35mpg at the PF/C spot, it also meant that our coach had to play ubershort rotations while sometimes having to give spot minutes to this – I kid you not – 4’7″ 15 year old whose torso looked definitely smaller than the ball. Usually, we were terrible, sometimes even losing 80-20 or 110-36 to very good teams.

But, one year, a new coach came in and we ended up missing the playoffs just by one win (it was an amazing experience nonetheless. We weren’t shooting for the playoffs. We were just elated to be able to win 7 games out of 16 that year). Were we different? Maybe a bit. The other good player, not the one who got the tryout, suddenly learned how to orchestrate offense with the help of some screens and since he was already good at passing the ball, that unlocked many more opportunities for a few guys. But other than that, the thing was that this coach had a clear plan, was able to communicate it coherently and rewarded guys for hard plays and not for improptu buckets out of their asses. Remember the 4’7″ kid? He was an offensive non-entity because he didn’t have the strenght to shoot from more than 15 feet and of course never got into the paint since he would have had a 30% chance of getting bounced all the way to France, but he was a defensive pest. He moved his limbs at double the speed of anyone else and while his body wasn’t able to endure paint battles he was enthustiastic as hell in annoying the fuck out of opposing playmakers. Think Patrick Beverley in the body of a younger, shorter Rick Moranis. Well, this kid knew that, if he had put in his effort, he would have been rewarded with playing time. And he did. And we all did (most of us did. A kid left the team after half a year of the new coach because he wasn’t getting his usual touches and the coach would reprimand him over and over since he never passed the ball to the “shooters”).

You already know why I’m telling you this. Watching the 2020/21 Knicks play, that experience can only come to mind. Last night we were able to field barely a 7+ guys rotation (the plus is Quickley, who played only 6 minutes) and instead of being swept away from the court by the Jazz we were good enough to hang tight and thanks to some late Rivers heroics we pulled away with the win. But at that point I didn’t really care about the result. Just seeing these supposedly outmatched guys stay in the game and mounting a real comeback, I mean, wow. Thibs is clearly working magic there. Except, it’s not magic. You remember the expression “Fizdale magic”? Yeah, that’s magic, because it isn’t fucking real. Thibs is just doing his job in the most solid way possible. I don’t know if it will last. I don’t know if we will look at this time of the year when we’ll be in March and marvel at how that 12-26 team could be the same that started 5-3. But at this point I never want to wager against a team coached by Thibs.

About the game: the story is easier than you think. Ugly Julius showed up in the first 18 minutes, Gobert got what he wanted and we couldn’t hit a shot from outside in the first half, but were still able to cut a one-time 18 point deficit into a merely 12 point one just by staying there with our heads. Then, in the third quarter good Julius came to the rescue and Payton wasn’t pretty much totally undeterred by Gobert. The defense picked up the intensity, Mitch swallowed Gobert alive, the Jazz apart from Jordan Clarkson forgot how to shoot, Bullock hit a couple threes, and at that point HERE COMES AUSTIN RIVERS: 14 straight points for the Dukie with hyper-volumetric balls and, even after a couple bone-headed mistakes in bringing the ball up court in the last 90 seconds, we took home the win. It looked easy in hindsight. But more than that: it looks sustainable (insert bewildered Pikachu meme).

The good:

– Sometimes it’s just great to watch once overhyped players find their role player niche in the League after failing at their first stops. I don’t know if we’re at that point with Austin Rivers (23 pts, 3 rebs, 2 ast, +2 +/-) but just the fact that when he signed here nobody wrenched their nose points to a reputation shift that came before this stint – of course that’s fair only if we consider the amount he signed here for, if the contract was a Mills/Perry special at 10M/yr it would have been an entirely different talking point.
Tonight he gets the game ball because he shot the lights out in the last quarter, playing with total gusto on both ends and exuding fiery leadership in a moment when the Knicks sorely needed it, but that’s not what we should come to expect from him, honestly. This guy is a career 42% from the field, 35% from three shooter, and usually these things don’t change that much. But he can handle the ball, he can defend, he’s already been through highs and lows. I never thought that there would have been a chance at “Austin Rivers, veteran guide”, but alas, here we are. It will be interesting to see what happens when Burks will be back.

– Oh hey. You remember that guy who looked a mess last year spinning around like a bad Kylie Minogue cover band? Meet the new Julius Randle (30 pts, 16 rebs, 7 ast, +25 +/-) who makes a stellar statistical night look like a meh outing because we know he can be better. How cool is it that we’re watching a guy who’s averaging 23/12/7 and we think simultaneously “yeah well that’s good” and “no reason to think he can’t do some of that for a whole year and anyway we won’t overreact since the contract situation is only favorable to us”? I’ll be frank: I still don’t like Julius’ brand of basketball, but this year is a purely aesthetic thing and not an efficiency issue. When he gets the ball/starts the dribble just outside the paint, he’s a real force to be reckoned with. In the third quarter he made Gobert look like the police at Capitol Hill (a few words on this at the end).

– I can’t praise enough Mitchell Robinson (9 pts, 13 rebs, 2 ast, +12 +/-) who went seemingly overnight or at worst overseason from “cool stats, not sure about the actual defense” to “slightly less cool stats, but humongous defensive impact”. Last night he had 3 steals and 3 blocks, but that’s really not the point, although they of course don’t hurt a bit. The best stat of the night: 41 minutes played. And he didn’t look gassed at all, instead giving Gobert a lot of fits on both end and, at least to me, winning the duel for the night. I totally loved the play where he just dove into the paint with the ball to be inbounded from the baseline and he wrecked the rim a few instants later. The defense was caught off guard for sure, but that’s how you assert your dominance, young space cadet.

The bad:

– Ok I’m starting to worry a bit about RJ Barrett (9 pts, 5 reb, 1 ast, +10 +/-). It’s not about him being able to play in the NBA as a starter (he can) or him being able to develop (he did). It’s about the fact that it’s historically very unlikely that such a bad shooter can suddenly learn to shoot well, which brings us to the real point: why is he shooting from outside at all if he can’t hit? It’s ok trying a few to keep defenses on their toes, but honestly his outside shot is really, really cringe inducing. He can be productive even without one (even if he will have a much lower ceiling that way) but it’s on the coaching staff to understand what to do to put him in a better place offensively. I don’t care about counting stats this time. I care about not having to grimace seeing him hoist 18-foot jumpers knowing full well that his shot has the same chance to fall consistently as me getting featured on Spotify for a week. Don’t Westbrook it, man.

Fun-sized bites:

– Good game by Elfrid Payton, but there’s almost always something about him that makes him look like he’s missing a J to drop a straight. And oh! Hey! My writing is actually smarter than me, since I realized only now that that J is a jumper (no, seriously, I didn’t plan for this bad joke but I left it in anyway). Anyway, I’ll take 22/2/8 on 67% shooting and just one turnover anytime, but that doesn’t mean I have to like his game.

– Bullock hit a couple ultra-timely threes and was generally competent, but holy shit, 7 rebounds? If you caught me flat footed and asked me “how many boards got Bullock last night?” I would have answered 2 or 3 tops. This team is so good at rebounding the ball that it just numbs the actual rebounding instances out of your memory.

– Ok, Knox is our only able-bodied “big”, but the fact that Thibs is hellbent on playing him and not giving Theo Pinson or Iggy a single minute tells you something about the fact that our coach has some kind of faith in him. And sometimes that faith is rewarded, like in the block on Conley/rebound sequence with 34 seconds to go in the third. Fun fact: that block and that rebound were the only box score contributions apart from scoring from Knox in 16 minutes. He’s just not a stat-stuffer, is he? Anyway he was at least perfect from the field, 3 for 3 with a couple nasty dunks and a three.

– I have no qualms with Quickley playing this little. He’s a rookie, he came in at the wrong time, other players were fluffing the staff better. He was still able to play his dupe-a-fool and get-a-foul game and and gift Knox an alley-oop soft candy only to unwrap.

– Isn’t it amazing how confidence and discipline make you capable of hiking the hardest mountains? A few days after not being bothered by the then league-leading shotblocker, Myles Turner, our Knicks took the challenge and went right at Gobert (or better yet, exploited his absence and then pounced on him as he returned). Gobert got 5 blocks anyway, but he didn’t look impactful at all in the second half.

– The Knicks won again the rebounding battle 47 to 43, and that’s with only having Mitch, Randle and Knox (?) as their big men. Utah had Gobert, Favors, and a mish-mash of SF/PF in Bogdanovic, Niang, Ingles and O’Neale.

– Say what you want, but it this team learns to turn the ball over only 15/16 times per game, we could be trouble for anyone as soon as there will be more bodies in the rotation. TOs plagued us in the first games.

– Guys, I’ve seen it. Believe me. We run a Payton/Mitch PnR after a timeout. We can be heroes just for one day!

– Thibs is almost making Miller look bad, so he’s downright embarrassing Fizdale so much that his descendants will only be able to be addressed as Fizfail right to his third grand-grand-grand-son.

To end on a sour note: the Capitol Hill disorders were a fucking shame cast upon what once was the gold standard of Western democracy. I don’t know if I would have postponed the games citing something as “we’re mourning the death of decency” but I would have for sure said something public before the games. I like that some teams bent the knee here and there, but this was a unique chance to make their voice felt even more on every type of social disturbance. Maybe you’re of the idea that sports and politics shouldn’t mingle; I’m not. Apart from the inherent memeability of the shamanic Jamiroquai rip-off, yesterday they were airing a tragedy outside of Capitol Hill (and mind you: it WAS a tragedy. Four people died. And who knows how many would have died if the protestant’s skin was a few shades darker). I know often NBA players political stances are just a byproduct of owners’ hypocrisy, but even hypocritical condemnation is better than half-assed symbolism.

So, until next!

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104 thoughts to “Utah Jazz 100 – New York Knicks 112 – Game Recap”

  1. I don’t mind if RJ keeps shooting 3s. If he’s going to become a better shooter it’s something that’s probably going to happen gradually, and it’s good to develop good shot selection. He’s also probably not this bad of a 3 point shooter.

  2. Think Patrick Beverley in the body of a younger, shorter Rick Moranis.

    Okay, now this is ALL I will be able to think about today.

  3. Yeah I mean the only way RJ can get better shooting 3’s is by taking some every game. Its going to be a process and we have to be patient. May not see it this season but he’s probably a better 3 point shooter than what we’ve seen so far.

  4. That second quarter run the Jazz had was bizarrely the aberration for the night but felt so normal to me after the last 5 years. The team completely fell apart when Knox and Rivers came in. But they rallied beautifully.

    Mitch’s evolution has been fun to watch. As you said, not as statistically impressive but indubitably better. Just a tiny bit of restraint and control has made him a much better player on defense. To play a career high in minutes without a defensive foul is just extraordinary for a guy who was routinely racking up a foul every other minute in games last year.

    I don’t hate Payton. He unlocks Mitch in a way no one on the roster does (although RJ is decent in that respect.) And I am starting to believe in his floater. He’s a decent player and would make a solid backup on a very good team. He’s balling right now so I won’t complain.

    Randle is going to flatline in the next couple of weeks. Can you imagine him playing a back to back like this. One of the things prospect hounds say about young pitchers is that they have a “max effort” delivery. Essentially that they are succeeding by stretching to their absolute limits. That’s how I feel watching Julius. The amount of energy he is throwing out there is truly impressive. It’s fun to watch and I applaud him for it but it can’t last.

    And great cap Farfa, thank you! Like Alan, that Rick Moranis reference really made me chortle.

  5. Owen, as the resident Mitchologist, I have to agree with everything you said. It’s amazing how fast Thibs turned him into a responsible defender. I bet Ken Payne will soon give him an offensive arsenal, too.

    JK, what that what!? Is Ariel Pink actually a Trump supporter??

  6. @NerlensNoel3
    People sit on twitter making things up and talking noise. Trust me, I love being a Knick and am excited about what we are building here. [keeping it 100 emoji]

  7. For anyone in a fragile state right now, don’t look at Tyrese’s line from last night. I thought he was injured and watching the highlights would be a safe space. #triggered

    Zion had a good scoring night but is not the player I expected him to be so far in his career. It’s downright strange.

    Saddiq Bey hit 6 threes last night.

  8. Ariel generally doesn’t give a shit about politics and never really showed any interest in current events in general. He’s also a contrarian by nature and has a flair for self-sabotage. His tweets and comments about it don’t exactly show a great deal of depth of thought on the subject.

    I’m getting inundated with “WTF” messages today.

  9. comments about it don’t exactly show a great deal of depth of thought on the subject.

    Although that’s probably par for the course with Trumpers, I figured it was mostly a contrarian stance for kicks.

    Edit: And all press is good press, right??

  10. Ariel Pink is a well known musician and JK47 is one of his collaborators. Maybe that’s a poor word choice, JK47 is in his band.

  11. Great ‘cap Farfa, though I disagree about RJ’s shooting. I certainly don’t know enough about player development to say if in-game reps are needed to improve as a shooter, but that does seem rather intuitive so given how much he needs it to unlock his potential I’d say he should keep firing away as long as he’s reasonably open. It’s not like we have much to lose. The counter-argument is that him doing so is hideously ugly.

    Completely agree re: Mitch. He’s having his worst statistical season but indisputably his best season. Having him out there for starters’ (and more) minutes is a night-and-day difference from the days when he was a delicacy of sorts. This is how you become a DPOY candidate.

    WOW, the Mets are getting Lindor and Carrasco for some meh prospects. Good on Steve Cohen for taking advantage of the fact that about 90% of MLB owners do not seem to be very interested in winning baseball games right now. What a pathetic move on Cleveland’s part, but excited to have two good teams in NY.

  12. I saw Ariel Pink trending on Twitter, JK. It’s unfortunate. I was going to ask you about it in here but didn’t want to be the one to bring up politics today.

  13. Whoah, the Lindor trade is a STEAL for the Mets.

    The best player they gave up was Andres Gimenez, who is a pretty nice player but come on, he’s no Francisco Lindor. Amed Rosario has never lived up to the hype and doesn’t have the glove for SS, and the other prospects were fringe prospects.

    The Mets also get Carlos Carrasco in the trade, which really helps their rotation depth.

  14. Mitch’s put back in the 4th quarter where he was able to box Gobert out of the restricted area was super encouraging. I did not think he had the strength to do something like that. Just put his ass on Gobert’s hip and moved him outta there.

  15. well, i imagine it’s due to the fact that prior to this year starship trooper mitch averaged about twenty minutes a game – but, who knew mitch was gonna be such a stamina stud too…

    dude is a complete freak…half the guys on the bench looked like they were dying in the 4th, and mitch was like: why ain’t we playing right now…

    someone else mentioned before, but – thibs’ timeouts have been masterful in terms of letting guys catch their breath…

    very cool to see that mitch is also a thibs’ kind of player…it’s incredible the amount of confidence thibs’ has so quickly instilled in the whole team…

    it was mentioned in the broadcast, but, it seems like we may have a really good coaching staff…

    similar to julius, elf has got some nba skills – maximize them and who knows: maybe you get a guy that can average: 15/5/5 over a season…that’s a decent point guard – still can’t shoot from outside, just gotta get to the rim and convert or create…

    his steals are down – which is a good thing for the knicks’ defense, he looks to be doing a lot less gambling with his perimeter defense…

  16. Great job, Farfa.
    Loved this line: “and gift Knox an alley-oop soft candy only to unwrap.”

    Thank God the Knicks had another lucky night on defense with Utah shooting 32% from 3…

    It was fortunate that Utah sucked from the stripe (55%).
    Of course the Knicks shot 52% from the field, 36.4% from 3 and 74% from the line.

    Anyway, the Knicks have given up 109 or more three times.
    They are 4th in opposition FG%, 3rd in points allowed, and 1st in opposition 3pt%.
    The Knicks are also 8th in TS%, and 11th in 3pt%.

    Small sample size…

    One has to wonder how Randle can be this dominant at this rate of play all season….Of course, this team also is playing without important players who are injured.

    Thibs is show how important a good coach can be.

  17. I don’t see why RAndle can’t keep this up. People are acting surprised but he’s always been a really good scorer and rebounder and a bulldog type PF. He was quite good on the offensive end in NO before we signed him.

    All Thibs is really doing is getting him to be a bit less selfish and a big part of that is that Randle knows where to pass the ball because we have a real offensive system where players move without the ball and go to certain spots. And he’s getting him to be more engaged on defense. ITs not like Randle is suddenly doing things that are outside of his bread and butter. He’s just doing it more efficiently, passing a bit better and playing better defense. It feels sustainable to me.

    And if it is sustainable, then I think we should think hard about keeping him. I mean, people think we can easily replace him but Randle himself was the 7th pick in the draft. (compared to say, Toppin at #8). Even with Toppin coming into the league at an older age, he’s still 4 years away from RAndle’s current age.

    I still believe in Toppin and maybe there’s a world where we have both on the team long term. But I just bring all that up to say that getting more picks for Randle isn’t going to land a player as good or better than Randle. Randle himself was a top ten lottery pick and it took him until now to get to this level. A bird in the hand and all that.

  18. Watching the start of this game it seemed apparent that we need at least a little more shooting in our starting lineup. Bullock can hit the open three but is not good enough to be the only shooter out there. We need one of Randle, RJ, Payton to come off the bench so we can stagger our lack of shooting. Two of them should be on the court all the time but all three should rarely be out there. It makes us too susceptible to the zone.

    Once Burks comes back he should start as should one of; Rivers, Bullock, Knox, Quickley, or Frank (if his shooting is real). That way we can make sure there are at least two legitimate threats from 3 out there at all times.

    Also, Noel needs to get well soon, The last two games when Mitch has sat in the first half our defense has collasped.

  19. mitch’s dip in production is coming from a few areas… but notably his block rate has been cut in half…. which has coincided with a his foul rate falling to ‘normal’ levels for a shotblocker like him…. this is a natural progression and is a good change…

    what is sort of unexplainable is the dip in ftr and the shooting…. the shooting could just be variance since he is missing a ton of baskets (relative to before) underneath… but the ftr is mistifying.. especially for someone who plays as physical as mitch… i do think we can see at least one of those rebounding to normal levels and we’ll see his production jump back closer to where he was before ….

  20. I think our lack of shooting in the starting lineup is removing most of Mitch’s opportunities. There is so little space he isn’t getting open on his dives. We also need to figure out how we can punish teams for hiding bad defenders on Mitch. Utah spent most of the game defending him with Bogdanovic and we cannot let teams get away with that. We needed to post him up at least a little if teams are going to throw undersized non-defenders at him.

  21. I think it is great, btw, that we aren’t throwing Quickley and Toppin into the fire. I know Toppin is injured, but I kind of doubt he would be getting huge minutes with Randle running as well as he is.
    We can do like other teams and allow rooks to develop without getting their confidence destroyed.

  22. Don’t look now but our beloved ‘Bockers are 7th in the NBA in SRS. That ain’t gonna last but it’s still pretty impressive.

  23. djphan: what is sort of unexplainable is the dip in ftr

    I can’t really break out the FTr by month, but just looking at the raw numbers from his career, in November he averages about 1 FTA per 2 FGA. In January it’s about 30%, roughly the same sample in MP. The fluctuations in FT% are also there, and not in an insignificant sample. Also, last season, he had many, many games wherein he did not attempt a single FT, despite playing 20+ minutes in more of them. His 11-11 FG performance against Portland on New Year’s Day, for one, came with zero FT attempts.

    The season is early yet.

  24. I guess Lindor is only on a one-year deal so the Mets will need to extend him.

    Cleveland was essentially salary dumping the guy who is 3rd in fWAR since he entered the league.

    The MLB market is completely broken.

  25. Randle has looked really tired at the end of the last two games. As he should be. And there is zero chance he can play 39 minutes a game like this for the whole season IMO. He isn’t built for it.

    I’d love to see some advanced analysis of how Mitch is being used on offense.

    I also think he is being slightly less aggressive with his offensive rebounding. He seems slightly more likely to get back on defense. There haven’t been that many crazy loose ball fouls. That probably means a few less putbacks.

    I do expect his numbers to rise though. Also, his competition will weaken. He’s got Charlotte circled on his calendar I am sure. Sink the Bismack.

  26. Pitchfork
    @pitchfork
    Ariel Pink and John Maus are under fire after being photographed in D.C. yesterday. Pink says he wanted to “peacefully support” Trump, but did not storm the Capitol

    I don’t know anything about Ariel Pink. I don’t listen to his music. But isn’t he one of the musical heroes of some music lovers around here. Is he canceled now?

  27. “Cleveland was essentially salary dumping the guy who is 3rd in fWAR since he entered the league.

    The MLB market is completely broken.”

    I mean, how much has changed? People have been talking about this for more than a year. Everyone knew Cleveland wouldn’t be keeping Lindor. This was completely expected.

    This seems like an ok haul for an expiring superstar. I am a little surprised they got Carrasco too. The deal seems pretty light but as a Mets fan I am delighted.

  28. the mets should follow it up by signing Le Mahieu to the market rate deal the Yankees seem unwilling to give him. Dude might not be worth 5 years, but the psychological impact of slapping the yankees across the face with steve cohen’s penis would be worth it.

  29. Cohen made 1.4 billion last year and he has never owned a Lemahieu.

    It’s a little crazy that being a Mets fan suddenly makes me love him, but, “it is what it is” amirite.

    Let’s go Mets!

    And buy the Knicks too

  30. i mean ftr can fluctuate but going from 40+% to 17+% without changing up your shot mix is quite rare even in just 8 games…. it’s not impossible though so yea variance…. there’s certainly other weirder things happening than that….

  31. But isn’t he one of the musical heroes of some music lovers around here. Is he canceled now?

    Let’s not turn this thread into the Breitbart comments section, comrade.

  32. djphan: i mean ftr can fluctuate but going from 40+% to 17+% without changing up your shot mix is quite rare even in just 8 games…. it’s not impossible though so yea variance…. there’s certainly other weirder things happening than that….

    Jarrett Allen’s FTr by year:

    .370
    .489
    .581
    1.128

    His shot mix actually has fewer attempts at the rim and more from midrange. 8 games.

    DeAndre Jordan went from .425 last year to .882 this year (his career high is an absurd 1.128 back in 2015-16, when Hack-a-DJ was in full effect). 8 games.

    Gobert dropped from .724 to .521 this year after years of consistency around the .722 career mark. 8 games.

    Nerlens Noel from .394 to .167, 6 games.

    Low-usage bigs are going to have more variance, here. You won’t see a lot of swings in the high-volume guys, but the rim-runners are all over the place. The sample is far too small to make any worthwhile prediction about it. You can describe why he wasn’t drawing fouls in those 8 games, but regression seems more likely than anything.

  33. Looks like Taj Gibson is back in play in NY. I’m not sure what took so long. The Knicks need a backup PF/C desperately with Toppin hurt and no real 3rd PF behind him and Noel out and no real backup C behind him. They left themselves at least one big man short and with at least one extra guard. That’s causing the minutes problem now for Randle and will eventually cause a log jam and problems at guard once everyone is healthy.

  34. Yeah, Begley says we’re going to sign Taj and cut Spellman. Maybe Spellman will accept a G-League contract, but no big loss if he doesn’t.

  35. Alan:
    Yeah, Begley says we’re going to sign Taj and cut Spellman. Maybe Spellman will accept a G-League contract, but no big loss if he doesn’t.

    I don’t know anything abut Spellman’s game, but if you show up to a Thib’s camp out of shape you probably aren’t going to last long. Taj was ridiculous last year at that salary, but as a 3rd string vet on the cheap when we have injuries I’m fine with that move.

  36. Taj is a steady hand and a good vet. He did well last year on a shitty team having to start. I’m glad we’re looking to bring him back. As a break in emergency bench big, we could do a lot worse.

  37. Sadly missed last night’s game due to the political drama which spilled over into my divided family on Facebook. I still have a couple of family members actively and vocally defending Trump. I guess I missed The Austin Rivers game.

    Yeah, the Lindor trade looks like a potential steal for the Mets. Nice to have a competent (and maybe much better than that) front office. Just gotta extend him now. I really thought they might give up Nimmo in that deal. Still, they need a legit right-handed hitting CF and another SP.

  38. there is some degree of variance that can explain going 75+% to 50+% but it’s different than 40+% to 17%…. that’s what i was getting at…. 17% is really low for a guy who gets near 100% of their shots near the rim that’s not really observed anywhere… that takes a special amount of non-fouling to happen…

    which yes points to variance… but i don’t think this is the same case as the others…

  39. there is some degree of variance that can explain going 75 % to 50 % but it’s different than 40 % to 17%

    huh?

    but i don’t think this is the same case as the others…

    Kinda feels like a no-true-scotsman.

  40. It’s hilarious we paid Taj $10M last year, he played as well as you could reasonably expect, and now we’re bringing him back at the minimum in-season. Mills/Perry really didn’t have a clue.

  41. ***I don’t know anything about Ariel Pink. I don’t listen to his music. But isn’t he one of the musical heroes of some music lovers around here. Is he canceled now?***

    Proof that stratomatic doesn’t actually read the threads that he posts on. He just comes here to blabber his idiocy into the void. (Why? I have no idea).

  42. there should be some minimum rate of fouling that should be occurring…. the variance you’re seeing in other low usage centers are either going higher in foul rates… going from astronomically high foul rates to just high foul rates… no one is going from high to lower than what guards get….

    we have 50 shots from mitch which is a small sample but it’s not miniscule… i think it does recover for lack of a better explanation but it’s weird enough to speculate why it’s happening and wonder if it really could continue…

  43. I’m a little sad Omari didn’t work out. I like his game even if he still needed some major improvements.

    As soon as he showed up out of shape, I’m sure it was immediately over. Wonder if that’s partly why the TWolves were so willing to part with him for Ed Davis.

    Taj is the right choice. He presumably knows Thibs system and shouldn’t play except as an emergency option. Plus having the right attitude seems more important to this team’s early success than star power, which is waaaaayyyy more nebulous of a concept than I normally feel comfortable attributing success to.

  44. Mills/Perry made the classic mistake of thinking that the way to get free agents to start coming here was to overpay other FA’s. The problem with this is that a lot of teams, even good ones, will overpay for free agents and all of the best ones are going to get paid a ton regardless of where they go. So they ended up overpaying for shitty vets.

    Rose was a breath of fresh air this summer in realizing that if you aren’t a top destination, all you gotta do is sit back for a day or two while all the top FA’s get paid. Then everyone is out of money and now you can have your pick of the leftovers and dictate how much they get paid. Also, while team options are great and all, you will overpay for them and when its shitty vets there’s no real point in giving out a team option anyways cause you can probably get them back next year if you want (like Elf and now most likely Taj).

    With our hot start we’ve all forgotten that we still do have all that unused cap space that could be useful come trade deadline.

  45. I’d be tempted to note that Mitch has had a fair number of good bigs to deal with. Gobert, Drummond, Turner x 2, Embiid and has played less against backup bigs than in years past. But that’s the kind of bullshitty argument I have always hated.

    It’s too small a sample size to conclude anything at this point.

  46. I hope Spellman sticks around in the G-League. I’m inclined to believe there’s an NBA player in there somewhere…no pun intended.

  47. thenoblefacehumper:
    It’s hilarious we paid Taj $10M last year, he played as well as you could reasonably expect, and now we’re bringing him back at the minimum in-season. Mills/Perry really didn’t have a clue.

    It’s remarkable.

    I truly think their free agent negotiations — from Hardaway & Baker to Gibson and Portis — basically went like this:

    Step 1: they identified a player they wanted

    Step 2: they asked his agent what it would take (and the agent answered with a stupid number, just to see what would happen).

    Step 3: they drew up a contract for the stupid number and presented it.

  48. You want to talk about coaching- before the season Thibs said when Knox takes good shots they go in which…not really. But his TS% sits at .541, not great or even good but a vast improvement made mostly by not taking bad shots- every make this season has been assisted. His 3pt rate is up and he’s finishing at the rim extremely well. His usage is down and has he’s mostly eliminated the aimless drives. He needs to be better than .360 from three but keep this shot profile and up the usage a bit and he’s a decent 9/10th guy which won’t make anyone happy (don’t look at Mikal’s stats!) but at least not a total bust. And if he can get to 39/40% from three on a little more volume- the stroke is pretty enough- he’s a solid bench guy. Fizdale looks worse every day.

  49. Owen:
    It’s too small a sample size to conclude anything at this point.

    But it is fun, and it is done a lot here. ;)
    particularly when the Knicks give us a whiff of hope that, yes, this year, yes, we might have a competitive team. And this year we don’t appear to have a cancerous player trying to undermine the coach and a player or two.

  50. Pretty sure last year’s management thought process was as follows (honestly not a joke):

    (1) Let’s make the playoffs, even if we’re a bottom seed
    (2) Who are the players we can acquire that will meet (1)?
    (3) We can overspend on 1yr+Option contracts that doesn’t hurt us longterm, so long as we collect the players from (2) (in other words, we have the cap space and might as well use it)
    (4) More speculatively, we then cash in on our success by adding superstar who sees a team of talented role players a la the Nets

    I don’t even think they were horribly unsuccessful at the above plan. They did fail to account for:
    (1) DSJr being unplayable (which seems fluky even if he’s normally really bad)
    (2) Bullock’s injury, which some at the time thought might end his career
    (3) Keith FUCKING Smart breaking all our players
    (4) Fizzled out magic
    (5) Keeping cap space open is actually valuable in the NBA
    (6) Steve Mills doesn’t know how to value a basketball with a price tag on it

    We were on a near playoff pace under Mike Miller, so it wasn’t a completely unsuccessful offseason when you look at management’s goals.

    The plan above is somewhat similar to the Oakland A’s moneyball plan. Of course, it’s infinitely stupider because taking on bad contracts in the NBA for draft picks is a lot more valuable in the NBA than in MLB (also the A’s would probably love to take on picks). If we chopped a couple million (or $8M for Taj) from each contract it would be a sound plan.

    Anyways, nearing the end of my rant, Scott Perry is pretty smart but Steve Mills doesn’t understand the concept of a salary cap. I blame Mills for the insane contract dollars, we’ll be fine with Perry.

  51. nicos:
    You want to talk about coaching- before the season Thibs said when Knox takes good shots they go in which…not really. But his TS% sits at .541, not great or even good but a vast improvement made mostly by not taking bad shots- every make this season has been assisted. His 3pt rate is up and he’s finishing at the rim extremely well. His usage is down and has he’s mostly eliminated the aimless drives. He needs to be better than .360 from three but keep this shot profile and up the usage a bit and he’s a decent 9/10th guy which won’t make anyone happy (don’t look at Mikal’s stats!) but at least not a total bust. And if he can get to 39/40% from three on a little more volume- the stroke is pretty enough- he’s a solid bench guy. Fizdale looks worse every day.

    A fun Knox stat is that 100% of his FGM’s this year are assisted. Don’t know how many attempts and misses would have been unassisted, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to conclude he’s definitely benefiting from playing within the offense.

    It’s not hyperbole, literally 100%.

  52. Donnie Walsh: Proof that stratomatic doesn’t actually read the threads that he posts on. He just comes here to blabber his idiocy into the void. (Why? I have no idea).

    Don’t be a douche. I skim the message board looking for topics of interest and specific posters. I skip over a LOT of it. Music is one of my interests. I recall Ariel Pink being mentioned favorably. I listened to a couple of songs but it wasn’t my cup of tea. I’ve seen the name mentioned several times after that but as soon as I saw it was about music I’m not interested in I stopped reading. Yeah, it was backhanded way of asking whether a musical hero that happens to be a Trump supporter will get the cold shoulder now or whether his music will “trump” his politics. It’s an interesting question for those less inclined to keep those things separate. I think Lebron James does a lot of great things for society but I also think he’s a hypocritical fraud. I still watch him play.

  53. “We can do like other teams and allow rooks to develop without getting their confidence destroyed.”
    “…Fizdale looks worse every day.”

    So you guys are saying ‘eat what you kill’ is NOT a great strategy for rookies?

  54. That’s an amazing stat about Knox.

    I mean, he has had so little success over the years actually converting when he went to the basket that I am surprised if the number was that much lower previously. But it’s still pretty funny.

  55. swiftandabundant: I don’t see why RAndle can’t keep this up. People are acting surprised but he’s always been a really good scorer and rebounder and a bulldog type PF. He was quite good on the offensive end in NO before we signed him.

    So, I’ll be that guy and say that Randle is shooting unsustainably well on long 2s (BKRef’s 10-16ft & 16ft-3p). He’s currently over .500 on 2s 10ft+ (in both BKRef categories). His career averages are ~40% from 10-16ft and ~30% from 16-3p.

    Unless he’s Brandon Clarke from last year his midrange shooting will regress quite a bit. I won’t do the math right now, but ~26% of Randle’s offense is coming from the long midrange.

  56. Would’ve loved to see Tyson back on this team, for old time’s sake, but Taj at the vet min is a good pickup, too. Once we can afford to not give Randle any minutes at C our defense in the middle is going to be consistently good.

    I’ve circled the Nets game on my calendar–God I want to beat them so bad.

  57. that assisted fg% number for knox does not really mean good things for him…. it does give you a reason as to why he’s performing better than last year.. particulary his 2p fg% is a lot higher…. but it also means this is about as good as he gets and you will probably see his efficiency stats start dipping because 100% isn’t sustainable…

    usually if you’re at 75% you’re either very efficient at that level .. like a 3p specialist…. or you bring other skills to the table like passing and/or defense… knox at the moment is none of those things and hasn’t even hinted at expanding his game anywhere since he came into the league…

    that is what is holding him back… he sucks… and while it’s nice that he’s doing better … this just isn’t going to cut it because there are plenty of players who do all the things he does but better….

  58. Owen: Unless he’s Brandon Clarke from last year his midrange shooting will regress quite a bit. I won’t do the math right now, but ~26% of Randle’s offense is coming from the long midrange.

    Small sample size of course, but no one else on the Knicks has that.

    I don’t have the overall numbers, but 3FGM appear to commonly be pretty close to 100% assisted. It’s the 2FGM shots that are an outlier. He’s only made 11 from inside the arc, but still no one else on the Knicks is there.

    For reference, his previous 2 seasons Knox was near 50% assisted on 2FGM.

    Other stuff I noticed:
    – Knox has 5 dunks on the season so far. His career high is 18. This is good
    – Knox has taken 40% of his 3s from the corner (hitting 40% too), his previous high is 24% of his 3PA from the corner
    – So yeah, overall he’s taking better shots

  59. A fun Knox stat is that 100% of his FGM’s this year are assisted. Don’t know how many attempts and misses would have been unassisted, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to conclude he’s definitely benefiting from playing within the offense.

    I’ve said this before but what astounds me about picking Knox over Mikal is there was no argument to be made that Knox somehow had a higher ceiling. This was not akin to picking, say, Toppin over Vassell. If Knox was going to succeed in the NBA (a long shot given his profile), it was clearly going to be in a role at least as limited as Bridges’.

  60. Randle’s always been a good non 3 point shooter, it’s probably possible for him to hit ~40% of his long 3s for a year, but yeah, his efficiency on those shots is coming down.

  61. djphan:
    that assisted fg% number for knox does not really mean good things for him…. it does give you a reason as to why he’s performing better than last year.. particulary his 2p fg% is a lot higher…. but it also means this is about as good as he gets and you will probably see his efficiency stats start dipping because 100% isn’t sustainable…

    usually if you’re at 75% you’re either very efficient at that level .. like a 3p specialist…. or you bring other skills to the table like passing and/or defense… knox at the moment is none of those things and hasn’t even hinted at expanding his game anywhere since he came into the league…

    that is what is holding him back… he sucks… and while it’s nice that he’s doing better … this just isn’t going to cut it because there are plenty of players who do all the things he does but better….

    I don’t think the number portends great things to come for Knox, I just thought it was kinda funny and stood out while poring through Knicks numbers (by the amount I’m posting right now, you can tell I have too much free time).

    Knox sucks, but I’d rather have him suck and take good shots than suck and take bad shots. Hopefully he adds a few more wrinkles to his game (his defense does look better, and the increase in dunks is a good sign) but at least now he’s playable and doesn’t waste possessions incessantly.

    And yeah, if this really is the extent of his game you need his 3p% to be much higher and his TS% to be over .600, not below league average. But at least it’s feasible he carves out a niche role if he’s smart.

  62. ***Don’t be a douche. I skim the message board looking for topics of interest and specific posters. I skip over a LOT of it. Music is one of my interests. I recall Ariel Pink being mentioned favorably. I listened to a couple of songs but it wasn’t my cup of tea. I’ve seen the name mentioned several times after that but as soon as I saw it was about music I’m not interested in I stopped reading. Yeah, it was backhanded way of asking whether a musical hero that happens to be a Trump supporter will get the cold shoulder now or whether his music will “trump” his politics. It’s an interesting question for those less inclined to keep those things separate. I think Lebron James does a lot of great things for society but I also think he’s a hypocritical fraud. I still watch him play.***

    Well it had already been brought up and discussed and questioned and explained on this very short thread today. If you’d skimmed any of the posts before yours today, you would have had your question answered, and it would have saved you the time of writing. (And the reason I bring it up is because I’ve always suspected that you weren’t really interested in reading what other people write here, even the things which you respond to and “engage” in, which comes across as trollish to me).

  63. DRed:
    I don’t mind if RJ keeps shooting 3s.If he’s going to become a better shooter it’s something that’s probably going to happen gradually, and it’s good to develop good shot selection.He’s also probably not this bad of a 3 point shooter.

    I’m actually less worried about his three point shooting than I am by his struggle to finish at the rim. A guy who’s basically a slasher needs to be a heck of a lot better than .577 from 0-3. He’s had 13 shots blocked so far which is a ton but we’ve played against a lot of shot blocking so hopefully that’s been the problem but those numbers have to improve for him to be anywhere near all-star level play.

  64. Beautiful Amarcordesque ala Fellini Farfa recap!

    I Never blend Art and Artist’s Life/beliefs.
    If Beethoven was a scum of the earth I’d still would listen to his stuff.

    Can’t wait for Obi, Frank mainly and Burks, Noel also to return to action. This season seems as the most enjoyable one after the KiddSheed season.

  65. 100% of his FGM’s this year are assisted.

    Really? Knox hasn’t converted on any drives to the basket this year? It seems like he would at least make one by accident.

    We’ve all been saying that Knox should play as a stretch four since he was drafted, and this only seems to validate that further… but it’s a good thing we drafted Obi and will max Randle soon! (d’oh)

  66. Really? Knox hasn’t converted on any drives to the basket this year? It seems like he would at least make one by accident.

    he has, remember not all assists are created equal. eg randle and burks got assist on these two drives v the bucks:

    https://tinyurl.com/y4h5majn

  67. I am not surprised all of Knox’s points are assisted. I am more surprised that people here are surprised about it to be honest. Watching 2 years of him play I’ve reiterated time and time again that he should have two basic roles in our offense: 1.) a catch and shoot three point shooter and 2.) as a cutter to the basket in set plays. Occasionally he can take the ball coast to coast in transition, but that’s it. The sooner everyone recognizes that his value as a player is predominantly based upon our offense’s ability to get Kevin approximately five shots at the 3 point line so he can make around two of them a game, the better his career will improve. And that’s fine for now. The offense really could use him in that capacity as its currently constructed.

  68. it’s weird, until they do lose again – every game i’m going to think they are due to fall about and lose at any second…this is all way too much of a good thing for us knick fans…

    i’ll tell ya though – my eyes see a much different group of players/coaches on the sideline than in years past…i know our roster has a lot of the same guys from last year, they just look a lot different…

    it was funny, spent a good part of last night’s game trying to figure out what exactly was the mark on the back of reggie bullocks’s head…i thought maybe it was some kind of scar or something, looks though like a small patch of blonde hair in the shape of a cross…

  69. ptmilo:
    Really? Knox hasn’t converted on any drives to the basket this year? It seems like he would at least make one by accident.

    he has, remember not all assists are created equal.eg randle and burks got assist on these two drives v the bucks:

    https://tinyurl.com/y4h5majn

    ptmilo, you never cease to amaze me.

    Yeah, those were both some absurdly favorable home court assist calls. Lol, he drives from the 3pt line and has to finish over Brook Lopez in the paint both times.

    The 1st one where he goes into Lopez’s body seems particularly silly to give Randle an assist.

  70. Ntilakilla:
    I am not surprised all of Knox’s points are assisted. I am more surprised that people here are surprised about it to be honest. Watching 2years of him play I’ve reiterated time and time again that he should have two basic roles in our offense: 1.) a catch and shoot three point shooter and 2.) as a cutter to the basket in set plays. Occasionally he can take the ball coast to coast in transition, but that’s it. The sooner everyone recognizes that his value as a player is predominantly based upon our offense’s ability to get Kevin approximately five shots at the 3 point line so he can make around two of them a game, the better his career will improve. And that’s fine for now. The offense really could use him in that capacity as its currently constructed.

    as far as hoisting up threes…I think that is what is supposed to be happening as he is almost always lingering in the corner or side-corner behind the line waiting but the Randle’s and Payton’s of the world seem to have a hard time finding him which is baffling given they probably practice it every day…I can’t prove it but it seems like certain of the teammates are averse to passing him the ball in those situations unless in randle’s case he has exhausted his three spin moves and run into a brick wall and it has been hammered into his head that if that happens look to the corner and throw it to your teammate…

  71. @early bird
    As far as I’m aware (from fantasy nba) giving the ball to a player who starts taking a dribble even from the 3p line and makes a two steps drive credits you with an assist if his shot/layup/dunk/hook is successful.
    That’s why assists don’t mean always much in terms of playmaking.(if you remember a previous post of mine about assists, playmaking and plus/minus)

    If the player dribble twice you don’t get the assist.

  72. Sounds like Taj is back and it’s just a matter of working out the details.

    Also, for all you Porzingis haters out there, he’ll probably be back late next week or early the following week. With no camp at all, I’d guess he’ll shoot like crap for a couple of weeks and the forum will be rejoicing about his lack of efficiency. Then he’ll start returning to the form where he left off last year at the end of the season and into the playoffs. Doncic will be love the extra space and scoring help and the defense should improve with his boards and rim protection. Dallas is back. But with KP, you never know how long his health will last this time.

    https://thesmokingcuban.com/2021/01/07/dallas-mavericks-kristaps-porzingis-update/

  73. Well it had already been brought up and discussed and questioned and explained on this very short thread today. If you’d skimmed any of the posts before yours today, you would have had your question answered, and it would have saved you the time of writing. (And the reason I bring it up is because I’ve always suspected that you weren’t really interested in reading what other people write here, even the things which you respond to and “engage” in, which comes across as trollish to me).

    You should have just said that instead of attacking.

    I didn’t see any of that discussion, but not because I don’t skim looking for interesting things all the time. I usually start at the bottom and work my up so I see the most recent posts first. That’s a habit I formed when some of the threads started getting too long to read everything. Today I came here to post the Ariel Pink news before reading anything and missed it. Now I’m caught up.

  74. Knew Your Nicks:
    @early bird
    As far as I’m aware (from fantasy nba) giving the ball to a player who starts taking a dribble even from the 3p line and makes a two steps drive credits you with an assist if his shot/layup/dunk/hook is successful.
    That’s why assists don’t mean always much in terms of playmaking.(if you remember a previous post of mine about assists, playmaking and plus/minus)

    If the player dribble twice you don’t get the assist.

    I think that’s fair. I would assume that more assists correlates with better playmaking and players benefit from these types of assists relatively evenly, but yeah if you’re getting a lot of these assists where Knox is doing more of the work then that’s not great. I’m sure there’s some players who really cheat the system with bad assists and others who have much higher quality assists.

    There used to be somewhere that tried to describe playmaking ability with the quality of assist. He correlated some metrics with subjective quality by watching a bunch of film or through Synergy and extrapolated from there. Wish I remembered where I saw it. No idea how valid it was but he had done some other work which was pretty good, so it wasn’t like me trying to play NBA scout. Probably how close the scorer was to the basket or expected FG%.

    It would be interesting to see how different people try to quantify playmaking.

  75. seeing how this thread is about to turn to dust – here’s your news on the hour:

    cnn & msnbc: see we told you so

    oan: it was 100% antifa
    no kidding – this is their line right now

    fox news: yeah, whatever, yesterday wasn’t the best of days, but – how about them summer riots though, let’s talk about that

    there’s one consistent thread i keep seeing on fox: well, bobby hit me first, so…

    whether it’s in regard to claims of election fraud (well, that’s the same thing the dems did with the impeachment process); or this recent incident – all wrong is waved away in the face of simply getting even…

    some of the older, more non tea party type republicans are finally starting to shake lose of trump over at fox…

    as usual tucker had his own “unique” completely racist spin of the entire events…it’s amazing – that dude is mostly definitely glenn beck 2.0

  76. So, again, this is me reading into things. But does anyone find this timeline fishy?

    – 2 to 3 days ago unverified report had Noel disgruntled with his role in NYC, doesn’t see eye to eye with Thibs and demanding a trade. T

    – He comes down with an injury out of the blue the next day.

    – The Knicks then announce they’re about to resign Taj Gibson to fill in as a backup center.

    – Noel releases a statement about how he’s thrilled to be a Knick and the reports of him being disgruntled are just made up.

    Is it possible Rose outmaneuvered Noel and his agent here?

  77. I think it’s fair for strat to wonder whether the Ariel Pink thing would be reacted to differently if he were not connected to JK47. Personally, I couldn’t care less, but fair is fair.

  78. Knox is 21 years old. Writing him off is ridiculous. Saying he was a terrible pick and is grossly overpaid on his rookie deal is not. More importantly, Thibs seems to like what he sees in him, so I’m going to trust his judgment for now. He seems to be rebuilding Knox’s game from the ground up and Knox has definitely improved somewhat from last year with shot selection and defensive intensity. Maybe he tops out at lousy, but since coach is pushing all the right buttons right now, I’m gonna trust his judgment.

  79. I’m sad that my friend of 20 years has basically self-immolated over something extremely dumb. It’s not just that he supports Trump, he has made statements that he believes in the voter fraud conspiracy and has retweeted some borderline Alex Jones-y YouTube videos. It’s disappointing to a lot of us who are his friends.

    In general he’s apolitical so this is a strange hill for him to die on. This is like an episode of edgelord behavior gone horribly wrong.

  80. I’m sad that my friend of 20 years has basically self-immolated over something extremely dumb. It’s not just that he supports Trump, he has made statements that he believes in the voter fraud conspiracy and has retweeted some borderline Alex Jones-y YouTube videos. It’s disappointing to a lot of us who are his friends.

    you are not alone…i would imagine a great many of us have had our family members and friends infected with this bullshit tea party rhetoric (which is now being spouted by trump)…

    the worse thing is – when they speak about any kind of political shit – you are guaranteed to hear the same mindless drivel of: big tech/social media/fake news/socialism/radical left/defund police and endless urban riot bad…oh yeah, cancel “white” culture, that’s really bad too…

    i don’t know, probably because it fascinates me now (i still blame you all for making me take my head out of the sand for this kind of crap) to see how messaging is being accomplished, as well as the content of that messaging…

    branding and slogans are more important now than on that old amc show: mad men

    you have to carefully feed followers…

  81. JK47:
    I’m sad that my friend of 20 years has basically self-immolated over something extremely dumb. It’s not just that he supports Trump, he has made statements that he believes in the voter fraud conspiracy and has retweeted some borderline Alex Jones-y YouTube videos. It’s disappointing to a lot of us who are his friends.

    In general he’s apolitical so this is a strange hill for him to die on. This is like an episode of edgelord behavior gone horribly wrong.

    I can sympathize, and so can many of us who feel great disillusionment in seeing family, friends and colleagues cross the rubicon into fascist ideology. It is a viscerally painful experience for me, embodied mostly in my sister-in-law. She is my wife’s only sibling and they were super-close until recently, when she went from being totally apolitical to running to every Trump event in the northeast, including the one in DC yesterday. At family events I have to bite my tongue to keep the peace (no easy feat for me :-)) but it really hurts seeing my wife cry her eyes out as if her best friend either died or deserted her.

  82. JK47:
    I’m sad that my friend of 20 years has basically self-immolated over something extremely dumb. It’s not just that he supports Trump, he has made statements that he believes in the voter fraud conspiracy and has retweeted some borderline Alex Jones-y YouTube videos. It’s disappointing to a lot of us who are his friends.

    In general he’s apolitical so this is a strange hill for him to die on. This is like an episode of edgelord behavior gone horribly wrong.

    CANCELED!

  83. At family events I have to bite my tongue to keep the peace (no easy feat for me :-)) but it really hurts seeing my wife cry her eyes out as if her best friend either died or deserted her.

    the question is – are we at the beginning or end of this…

    i tend to assume the worst, but – i think we’re still in the very early stages of this “movement” from the right…

    and, what they have to “sell”, lot’s of people wanna buy…

  84. looks like trump made it back on twitter, he actually read line for line what was written for him…actually it was good stuff…someone must have explained to him what the word sedition means…

  85. he (or his financial adviors) must have done some internal calculus on the potiential financial impact of just hunkering down and never saying anything…and they came up with that…seems like they used an old putin clip as a starting point…

  86. what old putin clip pepper?

    something has got him scared though…i can’t imagine it was just the fact that a bunch of his political “loyalists” bailed on him yesterday…

    i did get a good laugh from the bill barr statement condemning trump…

  87. i just figured you could take any propaganda from putin and use that as a baseline for a similar type video…

    i agree…somebody or something rattled his cage…i think it has to be financial implication for him or possibly that he got an std…those are the only two things that come to mind…

  88. or possibly that he got an std

    ha – that dude is most definitely a herpes/chlamydia/syphilis virus on all of america :)

  89. When even the most evil woman in America resigns on you, it may cause second thoughts. Of course, that assumes he’s capable of first ones.

    I presume she’s walking (all of 10 days before she gets shitcanned) because various military contracts via her Satanic brother are under threat…

  90. On a different note, this regarding the Lindor trade, about the Cleveland CEO:

    “Paul Dolan is the cousin of reviled Knicks and Rangers owner James Dolan. This trade doesn’t completely balance the family’s account with New York sports fans, but it’s a serious down payment.”

    Not even close. But I guess it’s a start.

  91. My parents didn’t go off the deep end – although i did block fox on their tvs – but some of my friend’s parents have and it has been disturbing and sad to watch.

    I just tell them, imagine if they were Knicks fans too!

  92. One last non-Knicks post. Who takes pictures and videos of themselves robbing a bank? And then POSTS them? Can we bring back the term deplorable?

  93. Who takes pictures and videos of themselves robbing a bank? And then POSTS them?

    when you actions are being initiated and endorsed by the president – who stops to think what you’re doing is even wrong…

    watched a bunch of the interviews with trump supporters from yesterday (they don’t differ too much from the last few years – only a lot more desperate and wound up a lot tighter) – they were simply regurgitating all the shit trump has been spitting in their ear for weeks/months/years…true believers…

    they sounded very proud – no doubt they’ll quickly excuse and forget trump’s rebuke today…

  94. Is it possible Rose outmaneuvered Noel and his agent here?

    I think it is far more likely that the Knicks just played a game where Knox was the backup for both Mitch and Randle because Noel was injured. Like, generally you’d want a roster that had some depth at every position. The Knicks backup 5 was Spellman. Alas, this was not Sabrina and he was not ready.

    It is flat out amazing the Knicks are winning games with these big holes in the roster due to injuries.

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