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Tuesday, November 25, 2014

True Hoop Network Mock Draft: With the 17th Pick, The New York Knickerbockers select…Klay Thompson

17.  Klay Thompson, SG

While I (and many in Knick Knation) was tempted to pluck uber-rebounder and WoW darling Kenneth Faried, the sweet-shooting Thompson certainly fills the long-distance cupboard that was summarily emptied in the Carmelo Anthony deal. The Reggie Miller comparison that Donnie Walsh has been floating certainly caught my eye as well. Though Thompson’s not expected to be around in the actual draft, in the mocktastic world, as faux-GM, I’ll gladly snag the lithe PAC-10 gunner. While it’s true that I, Mock Knick Grand Poobah, am still pining for size to fill out the ‘Bockers downsized front line. But, since neither Vucevic, Biyombo, nor either of the Morris twins were available, I decided in my infinite mock wisdom to go BPA (best player available).

How’d my mock big mock board come together? Well, among the available wings, Marshon Brooks has a little too much Nick Young in his game for my liking, I don’t like Jordan Hamilton because he brings to mind Hamilton Jordan, Jimmy Carter’s top fixer/Chief of Staff, and reaching for a PG like Josh Selby, Reggie Jackson, or Darius Morris this early seemed unwise. Especially since there are quite a few similar, if of lesser stature, floor generals who might be available at the end of Round One/beginning of Round Two (assuming Donnie still gets to toss around his last bushel of Cablevi$ions before he walks off into the cornfields of Indiana and semi-disappears, Field of Dreams-style.) like Charles Jenkins, Shelvin Mack, Nolan Smith, Norris Cole, and my personal favorite, Iman Shumpert. loves me some Iman because “Shumpert” sounds like the name of an obscure Jewish delicacy — a pickled herring of some sort, perhaps.

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81 comments on “True Hoop Network Mock Draft: With the 17th Pick, The New York Knickerbockers select…Klay Thompson

  1. Jim Cavan

    I just don’t see him falling that far. Burks maybe, but probably not Thompson. I think we’ll see some crazy things happen in the Top 10 (Simmons discussed this the other day: if you’re the Cavs, how do you not take Williams, let Kahn completely self-destruct, and then just nab Brandon Knight at 4?), which could yield some surprising drops. I’m sure Donnie has all his bases and scenarios covered, but I think at this point Vucevic, Morris or Faried are the probables. And then (I hope) a Darrius Morris in the Second. I’d be OK with taking Shumpert at 17 depending on what the board looks like, but that just leaves us that further behind on adding size. Either way, let’s hope we pull down some second rounders.

  2. John Kenney

    Nice, Robert. I’ll pine for Faried some more.

    Out of town, but good luck with the show. I’d say send me a picture of the lion costume, but I fee like your phone hasn’t moved much beyond a text-based interface.

  3. John Kenney

    Also, anyone interested should follow the Daily Dime Live Mock Draft which is occurring this afternoon, as I select for the Blue and Orange.

  4. TDM

    A couple of rumors starting to spin: (1) NYK trying to trade for Robin Lopez; (2) NYK trying to buy #30 from the Bulls.

    If the Knicks trade Fields and the #17 to PHX for RoLo and the #13, we could likely grab Klay. Then, with #30, the Knicks could grab any number of point guard prospects available.

    CBills
    Klay
    Melo
    STAT
    RoLo

    Not too shabby.

  5. Jim Cavan

    I don’t know if I do that trade. First off there’s no guaranteeing Thompson’s even there at 13. Second, I don’t see how Vucevic isn’t as good a grab as Robin Lopez, who had a pretty terrible year last year (of course, Vuceic won’t necessarily be there at 17 either — so either way you’re hoping your target is still around). And is Thompson going to be that much of an upgrade over Fields? Yeah he’s a better shooter, but Fields is much stronger and a much better rebounder. Maybe, maybe I do it for TD, and snag a PG with the 30th… but not Fields.

  6. Ben R

    In what world is Robin Lopez worth even close to as much as Fields. If it was Fields for Lopez and the #13 it would be closer to fair but I still think that undervalues Fields. But Fields and #17 is silly.

    I don’t understand how Fields is so undervalued right now. He had an amazing rookie season and should continue to get better.

    As for Klay I don’t want him at all. His 2pt% is way too low. You want your SG prospects to shoot over 50% on 2’s because it shows they have the athleticism to finish at the college level which is important in translating their game to the NBA.

  7. TDM

    Jim – I would much rather give up TD as well, but I don’t think it would get the deal done. Further, given his play after the Melo trade, no one can really say how effective Fields can be with Melo and STAT on the floor. His play fell off a cliff after the trade, likely along with his trade value. And if Klay isn’t available at 13, there are a variety of other guys that could be (Burks, Marshon Brooks, or going another direction, possibly Biyombo). I’d be pretty happy with RoLo, Biyombo and Jordan manning the 5.

  8. ess-dog

    I really worry about guys that rise after workouts. What was he, like a 16-20 pick and now he’s a 10-15? It’s better to go by their body of work IMO.

    That being said, Thompson is a fine pick at 17. But I wouldn’t trade up for him. I’m still hoping for Biyombo somehow.

    I’m not sure about Vucevic at 17. I like him as a third big, but that’s probably what Jerome Jordan will be. Vucevic is an “ok” from deep, but not good enough that you can just plug him into the lineup and think that he’ll rain threes.

    I think someone like Burks will drop to 17 for no reason and we should just wait for BPA unless a great trade comes along.

  9. Jim Cavan

    The problem with Burks and Brooks — and to a lesser extent Thompson — is that they’re gunners. With 65-70 shots a game all but spoken for from Melo, Stat, and Billups, I don’t see how our offense accentuate their skill set (unless it’s off the bench). Otherwise, they’re doing what Fields will more than likely be doing: camping out along the perimeter and occasionally slashing to the basket. You’re basically wasting their athleticism / ability to create shots, or at least drastically under-utilizing it. Even if they’re coming off the bench as a scoring 6th man, who starts at the 2? TD?

    Fields had a terrible end to the season, but I just don’t see how tossing him aside in lieu of a shoot-first alternative who won’t get that many shots is a smart move. And I doubt Biyombo is still around at 13 anyway.

  10. Ben R

    ess-dog: I think someone like Burks will drop to 17 for no reason and we should just wait for BPA unless a great trade comes along.

    I totally agree with this thought. The only players in this draft I trade up for are Biyombo or Valanciunas.

  11. Ted Nelson

    Where can I see the whole mock?

    I can see your thinking on taking him in this mock and he certainly has a chance to be a good player.

    Ben R: You want your SG prospects to shoot over 50% on 2?s because it shows they have the athleticism to finish at the college level which is important in translating their game to the NBA.

    As a general rule, sure, and it definitely raises a big red flag. At 17 in a weaker draft, though, everyone has got red flags. If you take him not realizing he’s a jump shooter and trying to use him as a jump shooter in your system, though… not so smart. I really hope Walshtoni wouldn’t take Thompson hoping to get a great athletic slasher.

    Also, Fields had a great rookie campaign for a 2nd rounder but that alone doesn’t really convince me the sky is the limit for his game. He’s quite limited. Good player with the chance to get better, but hardly irreplaceable. Coming off a surprising rookie year with the potential to get a lot better (or not) going forward might end up eventually end up being the height of his trade value.

    I haven’t seen enough of Lopez to say if I do or don’t trade Fields and 17 for him and 13 (depends on the value of moving up in the draft too, obviously), but Lopez is a buy low candidate 1 year removed from a 21 year old season that was far, far more impressive than Fields’ 22 year old season. Health definitely seems like a big concern for Lopez, too, though.

    I think suggesting that Fields is far, far more valuable than Lopez is a bit of homerism. He might be more valuable, but I think there’s at least an argument to the contrary.

  12. John Kenney

    I’m selecting at 2:30 pm in the DDL Mock. Suggestions? PS hahn just said he’s told no discussions regarding Robin Lopez.

  13. Frank

    Chris Sheridan suggested a Nash–>NYK trade on his blog today — Basically Nash + Childress for Billups, TD, and Walker. I kinda think I would do that trade from our end – PHX gets 2 young guys and gets to get out from under Childress’s horrible contract which still has 4 years and $27M on it. They get to send Nash out for some value without sending him to Minny (would be worst karmic move ever) and get significant $ relieft. If we bought the Bulls #30 pick I’d even consider throwing that in to make the deal happen. And $3M Dolan Dollars.

    Figure Nash, Childress, Melo, Amare, Turiaf starters.
    Draft Iman Shumpert to back up the 1/2 positions. Then you have Landry, Extra E, Jefferies, Jerome Jordan to round out the bench.

    That team could break records for offensive efficiency. And assuming Childress doesn’t shoot 6% from 3 again, he could be worth somewhere near his contract as a low-usage, high rebounding, defending guy (otherwise known as slightly better defending Landry Fields for 15x the salary).

    And further presuming there is going to be an amnesty clause in the next CBA, we could probably dump his contract if need be.

  14. Frank

    Jim Cavan:
    The problem with Burks and Brooks — and to a lesser extent Thompson — is that they’re gunners. With 65-70 shots a game all but spoken for from Melo, Stat, and Billups, I don’t see how our offense accentuate their skill set (unless it’s off the bench). Otherwise, they’re doing what Fields will more than likely be doing: camping out along the perimeter and occasionally slashing to the basket. You’re basically wasting their athleticism / ability to create shots, or at least drastically under-utilizing it. Even if they’re coming off the bench as a scoring 6th man, who starts at the 2? TD?

    I sort of disagree with this. Looking at B-R, the Knicks took an average of 84 FGA/game last year. Of those 82, our “Big 3″ accounted for about 50 per game (20 for Melo, 18 for Amare, and 12 for Chauncey) – never mind possessions, too hard to figure out. So that leaves 34 FGA/game unaccounted for. The next 3 highest FGA for us are from guys that are gone – Felton, Chandler, and Gallo. Then it’s a mishmash of Toney Douglas (9 FGA/g), Fields (7 FGA/g), Extra E (6 FGA/g), and Walker (4). Of those, only TD can remotely create his own offense – everyone else plays off the ball.

    I think what we saw in the playoffs last year is that if there are ANY injuries to one+ of the big 3, then this offense falls apart. We need rebounding/defense on this team but we also need bench scoring. So while I’d love it if Markieff Morris, Biyombo, or maybe maybe Vucevic fell to us, I wouldn’t be sad if we ended up with Burks and even Brooks.

    Truth is – we have so many needs (including depth) that just about anyone who can actually play will help us — on the starting unit if it’s an actually good big, and off the bench if it’s a small.

  15. Jim Cavan

    Fair enough. Thanks for doing the research I was too lazy to do! I wouldn’t be distraught if we went with Brooks, particularly if we still had Fields. It’s more trading up for Thompson or Burks — and losing Fields — that I have more of an issue with.

  16. BigBlueAL

    Jim Cavan:
    Fair enough. Thanks for doing the research I was too lazy to do! I wouldn’t be distraught if we went with Brooks, particularly if we still had Fields. It’s more trading up for Thompson or Burks — and losing Fields — that I have more of an issue with.

    This.

    Id be pretty excited if at 17 the Knicks draft either Burks or Thompson. But as I mentioned in the previous thread in no way do I want the Knicks to give up a Fields or TD just to move up a bit in this draft.

  17. Jim Cavan

    BTW: Many of you will be happy to know our friend John Kenney went with Faried in the Daily Dime Mock Draft just moments ago. Definitely interesting how it played out.

  18. Ted Nelson

    Jim Cavan: The problem with Burks and Brooks — and to a lesser extent Thompson — is that they’re gunners.

    I think that’s a little harsh. They were the best players on their college teams by a long shot, so they shot a lot. That might continue, but it might not.

    In the NBA they are going to be rookies. Most players are not going to burst onto the scene and excel as rookies. Burks especially is turning 20 this summer… is he really at great risk of being “drastically” under-utilized as a 20 year old rookie? The idea would be to use them in a limited role as a rookie and develop a really strong all-around player over time.

    All three happen to be among the most efficient wing scorers entering the draft: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Just-By-the-Numbers-the-2011-Wing-Crop-3750/
    Thompson and Burks both have PG abilities as secondary skills.
    Burks and Brooks are both strong rebounders, and Thompson is sort of average for a SG.
    All 3 had at least 1.3 stl/40.
    Brooks and Thompson are 2nd and 3rd among wings in terms of blks/min.
    They are #1, 2, and 4 in terms of PER for wings, which is obviously influenced by their high volume scoring.

    I wouldn’t trade Fields just to do it since he’s a solid NBA player already, but I would move him in the right circumstances. Solid guards and wings aren’t nearly as hard to come by as solid bigs.

    IMO you over-emphasize need a bit. I would argue that getting a good player is more important than a good fit. By the #17 pick you’re looking at maybe 1/2 the players drafted in that range actually becoming passable NBA players. If you legitimately believe a player is the best available, I think you take him. I would give a slight edge to a big due to their scarcity, but I wouldn’t reach just for size. Can get a big elsewhere.

  19. Ted Nelson

    Frank: Truth is – we have so many needs (including depth) that just about anyone who can actually play will help us

    True story

  20. d-mar

    I’ve heard several references to grabbing players in the 2nd round, but I don’t think we have a 2nd round pick this year, correct?

    Also, I agree with BBA, I really hope we don’t give up Fields or TD to move up a few spots in the draft, that would make zero sense to me.

  21. Frank

    Agree also – I might give up #17 and TD, Walker, OR Fields to get up to mid-early lottery (ie. Sacramento) if there was someone we absolutely loved there (ie. Valanciunas or even Jimmer if we thought he was really the next Steve Nash), but to go from 17–>15 or 17–>12 doesn’t seem worth it.

    I’m still hoping Biyombo, Markieff Morris, or Singleton fall to us. If not, I’d be happy with Shumpert, Thompson, Burks, or Faried. Please no Selby – maybe buy a later 1st or a 2nd rounder if we must to keep Melo happy.

  22. TDM

    “Also, I agree with BBA, I really hope we don’t give up Fields or TD to move up a few spots in the draft, that would make zero sense to me.”

    Just to be clear, I was by no means saying we should trade Fields solely to move up in the draft. I agree that would be a stupid move especially considering that this draft in particular seems to be very difficult to mock (i.e. despite doing your research, the player you move up to select may not be there). What I am suggesting, is that moving Fields for Lopez would be a good move, especially if we get the added benefit of trading picks.

  23. Ben R

    The only realistic player in this draft I’d move Fields to move up and grab is Valanciunas. I’d probably move TD to get Valanciunas or Biyombo. That’s it. I don’t see any of the wings as definite upgrades on Fields and I don’t see any of the guards as definite upgrades on Douglas.

    I don’t get why people are writting off Fields’ upside. Why is his low? He was a scorer in college when his team needed him to be and I could see his usage increasing as he gets more comfortable in the NBA. Could this be his peak? Sure, but I don’t think that’s likely. He is long, athletic and smart there is no reason to think he won’t continue to develop.

  24. Thomas B.

    TDM:

    A couple of rumors starting to spin: (1) NYK trying to trade for Robin Lopez; (2) NYK trying to buy #30 from the Bulls.

    If the Knicks trade Fields and the #17 to PHX for RoLo and the #13, we could likely grab Klay. Then, with #30, the Knicks could grab any number of point guard prospects available.

    CBills
    Klay
    Melo
    STAT
    RoLo

    Not too shabby.

    PHX would love that trade since Fields is a better rebounder than Lopez.

  25. Jim Cavan

    @22

    All good points. I didn’t mean to use “gunner” as an epithet; it was more a realization of exactly what you described: that these guys had to be big time scorers for their respective schools. Obviously the fact that they did so efficiently is not a bad thing. Frank did a pretty good job of tempering my belief that moving up for a guy like Thompson or Burks would be useless because they simply wouldn’t have the ball in their hands enough to be effective the way they were in college. I see now that that was a bit naive, but I still wouldn’t trade up to get either one of them, unless we were getting more value back in return.

    As for the whole need vs. BPA debate, I don’t see it as one-or-the-other proposition either. Truth is this Draft is such a crap shoot, we won’t know what we’re getting until we know what we got…. if that makes sense. Personally, I’m warming to Vuceic / Faried / a Morris, not just because they fill a need or two, but because it might very well turn out that they’re the best available. Obviously if someone like Klay, Burks, or even Biyombo falls hard down the ladder, you think about it. It’s trading to move up that I’m weary about. That said, I don’t see it happening.

  26. Ted Nelson

    Frank: but to go from 17–>15 or 17–>12 doesn’t seem worth it.

    Probably not, but if the guy you would have taken #7 (or even higher) is still there at #12/15 and you’re worried he’ll be gone by 17… could make sense.

    Ben R: The only realistic player in this draft I’d move Fields to move up and grab is Valanciunas.

    Could make a lot of sense, but I wonder if the Knicks would take a guy they know isn’t playing for them next season. I don’t know the prospects well enough to say who I’d give what to move up for, but I hope the Knicks know them a lot, a lot, a lot better than I do.

    Ben R: I don’t get why people are writting off Fields’ upside

    I don’t think people write it off. I’m a big fan and think he’ll be a good NBA player for years. Do I think he’ll ever be an interior defensive force? Do I think he’ll ever be All-NBA? No. Good player, but upside is not tremendous. Wing players are not particularly scarce. Not going to get a rebounder like Fields, but you might get another tool or total package that makes up for it. Think about it the other way. Why is Fields’ upside so great and although he’s the same age Robin Lopez’ isn’t?

  27. Ben R

    Ted Nelson: Why is Fields’ upside so great and although he’s the same age Robin Lopez’ isn’t?

    Lopez is coming off his third NBA season. He actually regressed last year and has only put up good stats in one of his three years. Fields though the same age is coming off his rookie season so his upside is a lot more undefined.

  28. Ted Nelson

    Jim Cavan: Truth is this Draft is such a crap shoot, we won’t know what we’re getting until we know what we got…

    As a fan I agree with that, but if I were a scout or an owner/GM paying scouts’ salaries… I’d hope I/they had a better feel for things than it just being a crap shoot. I am a believer in Walsh’s track record as a drafter. Rumors had him interested in Stephen Curry and Russell Westbrook both if they were available… If he sees that kind of a pick there and the ability to move up for him, I can’t argue with it. May or may not be the right move in hindsight, but I’ll trust Walsh to make the call better than I could have or the average NBA GM could have.

    I’m not saying they definitely should trade up, I’m just saying that I don’t see it as necessarily the wrong move if they do. I would really like to keep TD and Fields and draft a stud #17 and buy a late pick and draft another stud and sign Justin Holiday as a UFA to have yet another stud… I just think Walsh has to address circumstances as they arise. If the #3, 4, 7 player on their board is there at, say, #13 and they also think Lopez is the answer at C… I’m ok with that risk. There’s an opportunity cost both to making the deal and not making the deal.

  29. Ted Nelson

    Ben R: Lopez is coming off his third NBA season. He actually regressed last year and has only put up good stats in one of his three years. Fields though the same age is coming off his rookie season so his upside is a lot more undefined.

    I don’t know if it’s nearly that clear. Lopez was a 20 year old rookie. When Fields was a sophomore at Stanford or even a junior was his play so inspirational that we know he’d have been a good NBA player? My guess is that if he’d have been a 20 year old rookie he would have struggled too. We’ll never know.

    You also have one data point with Fields. Trend will probably be improvement, but his rookie season is also sort of similar to James Singleton’s. I don’t think it’s assured.

    I don’t know if Robin Lopez can ever play a full season or the Knicks see something that leads them to believe he can bounce back, but on his career he’s played about one season worth of minutes and is a 7 foot C with a 14.8 PER and WS/48 of 1.08. He’s going to be 23 next season. The kind of “role player” whose contribution might vary with his use in a system and teammates. There’s a lot to like. At some point bigs are scarce enough that you take a lesser big over a better wing. I don’t know exactly where that point is.

    I don’t know that I would make the trade, and I don’t want to sound like I’m not a huge Fields fan. I just think you’re overrating Fields and underrating Lopez. If Lopez had built on his 2nd season… his trade value would not be lower than Landry Fields’ (him + 13 apparently = LF + 17). I don’t think anyone is in a better situation to analyze if Phoenix is misusing its players than D’Antoni. It’s possibly a trade that would leave the Knicks’ better off, that’s all I’m saying.

  30. CRJoe

    Lopez had a Rebound percentage of 12.6 last year, which ranked him 135th, in his best year he had 14.2%, which ranked him 103rd, he is NOT a good defender, and he has a terrible mid range offensive game…

    So if we are talking about a bigman who can at least contribute in the Knicks 3 biggest needs in its position (Rebounding, D, able to play away from the rim to create space for Melo & Amar’e), Lopez is probably the worst possible player we could pick…

    Literally, Shelden Williams is a better option at that spot…

  31. Frank

    Meanwhile I really hope Dolan is willing to open up the Cablevision coffers to buy 2nd round picks. Given our lack of picks coming up the next few years, I would hope we would draft some of these Euros with contract issues (Mirotic, Bertans, etc.) who might fall out of the 1st due to those contract issues. Then when they come over they can be our “virtual” 1st rounders in 2012 and 2014…

    I assume in this economy we could probably buy up 5 or 6 2nd rounders if Dolan were willing.

  32. CRJoe

    Has anyone checked out the Player Comparisons over at Basketball Prospectus:

    http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1777

    Of the might be available at 17 category, I liked seeing Faried matched with Millsap, that would be a perfect fit for the Knicks… I was intrigued by Tobias Harris matched with Humphries, this is a guy we could buy late in the first round and his profile fills a lot of holes for Knicks frontcourt, though I have to be honest, I hadn’t pay the minimun amount of attention to this guy until this article pointed him out…

    Finally Nikola Mirotic was matched with Batum, I always suspected that, seing him all season long in Real Madrid (I get a lot of european basketball in Costa Rica)… He isn’t nearly as athletic as Batum, but he has a much prettier jumpshot, his physical tools are very similar to Batum’s, and we all know how sorely needed a wing defender is… Though he may remain for another season in Europe…

  33. cgreene

    Frank: Yeah that was just an awful article. I wonder whether the pressure of having to put out more material for Grantland is getting to him. What he did get right was the footnote about how somehow Walsh is not getting killed for making Fields the untouchable rather than Gallo.Naturally there are salary considerations but skillwise you have to think that Gallo wins out. Not to mention the idea that Fields fits better as a low-usage guy with Amare/Melo clearly didn’t work out.

    Was totally thinking the same thing related to him putting out more material. At least he’s back to doing what he’s good at… writing. That was super rushed, uninteresting and some of those trades were dumb. The footnote about Gallo vs Fields needs 1 year to play out. If Fields gets back to “1st 50 games” Fields and improves a little defensively then he actually is the perfect role player for us. Low usage, high efficiency, great rebounding. Let’s not forget that the #1 criticism with Gallo was that he was not aggressive enough when there were other high usage players on the floor. He very easily could have gotten lost big time playing with Melo, Billups and Amare. Don’t think that would have been a great fit at all. Maybe as 6th man.

  34. njasdjdh

    CRJoe: I was intrigued by Tobias Harris matched with Humphries, this is a guy we could buy late in the first round and his profile fills a lot of holes for Knicks frontcourt, though I have to be honest, I hadn’t pay the minimun amount of attention to this guy until this article pointed him out…

    Height, Weight, Wingspan, Lane Agility, 3/4 Sprint, No Step Vert, Max Vert, Bench Press

    T. Harris: 6’7.75,” 223, 6’11,” 10.96, 3.17, 31.5, 37.5, 12
    C. Anthony: 6’7.50,” 233, 7’0,” 11.4, 3.15, 30.5, 33.5, 7

    Per 40 Min PTS/REB/AST/STL/BLK/TO
    T. Harris: 21/10/1.8/1.0/1.2/2.5
    C. Anthony: 24.4/11/2.4/1.7/.9/2.4

    FG/3PT/FT
    T. Harris: .460/.303/.753
    C. Anthony: .453/.337/.706

    I am not saying Harris=Melo, but…I am saying maybe he is a poor man’s Melo and he might also be getting overlooked a bit. Where exactly he would fit in on our team, I’m not sure, but I can’t figure out why he isn’t looked at as a guaranteed lottery pick in this particular draft. I should also add that I didn’t watch him at all this college season, and first noticed this comparison after randomly viewing this YouTube clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve-aTHGhX8A

  35. Brian Cronin

    What he did get right was the footnote about how somehow Walsh is not getting killed for making Fields the untouchable rather than Gallo. Naturally there are salary considerations but skillwise you have to think that Gallo wins out. Not to mention the idea that Fields fits better as a low-usage guy with Amare/Melo clearly didn’t work out.

    I had Gallo #1 and Fields #2 at the time, but I think it was reasonable to think that Melo and Billups would adapt to Fields and Amar’e, so keeping Fields made sense (even if I personally preferred keeping Gallo).

  36. DS

    DX has Kanter going #2 now. If that pans out, Brandon Knight slides all the way to the Raps at #5.

    That’s where the Knicks swoop in and take Jose Calderon’s contract off their hand in exchange for Billy Walker:
    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6jq9lwg

    W/ Billups, Fields, Calderon, and TD in the fold at guard we can focus on the big in the draft.

    You heard it here first.

  37. CRJoe

    Yeah I slept on Harris as well, he could be a steal in the late first round, but I don’t see him as a poor man’s Melo…
    I don’t think he has as much range as Melo, or the handles, overall I see him more as a undersized 4 than a big 3 as Melo is…

  38. CRJoe

    DS: DX has Kanter going #2 now.

    I don’t see Kanter going over Williams unless the Wolves decide to keep the pick… It would make sense, Kanter could probably develop some defensive skills & co-exist with Love, they would become a real Windex tandem as well…

  39. ess-dog

    CRJoe: Explain please…

    Everyone fills out a draft order (no teams, just draft order) of players and someone (not me) tallies the entries and the winner (the person who comes closest to the actual 1st round on draft night) gets a t-shirt or something.

  40. James

    “Let’s not forget that the #1 criticism with Gallo was that he was not aggressive enough when there were other high usage players on the floor. He very easily could have gotten lost big time playing with Melo, Billups and Amare. Don’t think that would have been a great fit at all. Maybe as 6th man.”

    I agree. While it’s not unreasonable to think that Gallo could have exceeded Fields’ play post-trade, namely by hitting the open jumpers Fields missed a ton of after the trade, Gallo had a history of getting lost behind high possession players. He’s a much more erratic shooter than his reputation and statistics would indicate and playing with Carmelo and Stoudemire, not to mention Billups who is very aggressive offensively as well, could have brought out his inconsistent side.

    I’m not entirely sure but Gallo seems to play better when he has more offensive responsibility. The higher up on the chain he is, where he’s getting all kinds of opportunities in transition, isos, pick and rolls, postups, the better he seems to play.

    _____

    I don’t see the Harris and Carmelo comparison at all besides that they’re both power 3s. I tend to think of the combine stats as largely irrelevent because unlike the NFL prospects, basketball players don’t train specifically for the drills. They’re not running cone drills in pre-draft preparations or working to improve their technique in the 3/4 court sprint. You also don’t need combine stats to show that Carmelo has better first step quickness and explosiveness. This isn’t to say that I don’t like Harris. He gets his shot off around the basket enough and squeezes past his man enough that I think he has sneaky athleticism. If his shot improves, he could maybe be similar to Dudley. He has that kind of role player IQ too.

  41. BigBlueAL

    Gallo was pretty inconsistent with Denver too. That just might be who he is. Although obviously he is still young enough to change.

  42. Brian Cronin

    Gallo was pretty inconsistent with Denver too. That just might be who he is. Although obviously he is still young enough to change.

    I really wonder what Dallas is going to do with JR Smith. Gallo is a better player than Smith, but Smith is a good player, as well, and if you keept Smith, I would almost hope that they would trade Gallo, as it is doing him no favors putting him into a position where Karl can screw with his minutes like he did.

  43. BigBlueAL

    Brian Cronin: I really wonder what Dallas is going to do with JR Smith. Gallo is a better player than Smith, but Smith is a good player, as well, and if you keept Smith, I would almost hope that they would trade Gallo, as it is doing him no favors putting him into a position where Karl can screw with his minutes like he did.

    On a side note ;ooks like its pretty much a lock that Felton will be traded this summer.

    The thing about Gallo though is that he cant cover opposing SG’s at all and many SF’s too. I always thought he was one of the Knicks better man defenders but seeing him in Denver get burned alot I realized he really isnt a good defender at all aside from the occasional charges he draws by flopping. On a team like Denver this past season with the amount of depth they had on the wings there were alot of times where I think Karl didnt feel comfortable having Gallo out there because of defensive matchups.

    Thats why for everyone saying now that they shouldve kept Gallo and not Fields there is no way in hell Gallo could play SG because of his defense and having him play the 3 or 4 along side Melo and Amar’e wouldve been an even bigger disaster on defense. Granted Fields’ defense on opposing SG’s wasnt exactly stellar either so Gallo at SG probably wouldnt have been much worse and you certainly gain alot more with his offense at SG compared to Fields.

  44. Brian Cronin

    Gallo is a better defender than JR Smith.

    Had Gallo stuck around, it really would have been interesting to see which of the two would have played the 4 between he and Melo. I think D’Antoni would definitely have one of them play the 4. Gallo, I guess, although Melo seems to be better-suited to it.

  45. BigBlueAL

    Brian Cronin:
    Gallo is a better defender than JR Smith.

    Had Gallo stuck around, it really would have been interesting to see which of the two would have played the 4 between he and Melo. I think D’Antoni would definitely have one of them play the 4. Gallo, I guess, although Melo seems to be better-suited to it.

    Hence the reason nobody was in and out of Karl’s doghouse more than JR Smith amongst other reasons lol.

    Interesting thought because Gallo certainly is alot stronger than he was as a rookie and certainly has the height to play PF but his pretty bad rebounding would be a huge problem. If he could play PF it would probably help him alot because what a mismatch he will have offensively against opposing PF’s.

  46. Brian Cronin

    Hence the reason nobody was in and out of Karl’s doghouse more than JR Smith amongst other reasons lol.

    Hehe, too true. But boy, did Smith turn it around offensively when Melo left! And honestly, Smith is weird – he is quick enough that he should be a good defender, and he gets a goodly amount of steals so his defensive numbers don’t look too bad, but he is always going for the “big play” defensively and I think it hurts his team, which, as you mentioned, is likely why he is so frustrating to coach. But when he starts nailing shots from all parts of the court…damn, is he hard to bench! I wonder where he’ll end up next year?

    Gallo upped his rebounding percentage by a goodly percentage in Denver. He actually had a better total rebound rate in Denver than Chandler!

  47. Frank

    Brian Cronin: Hehe, too true. But boy, did Smith turn it around offensively when Melo left! And honestly, Smith is weird – he is quick enough that he should be a good defender, and he gets a goodly amount of steals so his defensive numbers don’t look too bad, but he is always going for the “big play” defensively and I think it hurts his team, which, as you mentioned, is likely why he is so frustrating to coach. But when he starts nailing shots from all parts of the court…damn, is he hard to bench! I wonder where he’ll end up next year?

    Does anyone feel this way about Toney Douglas btw? I sort of feel like this might be the best time to trade TD, as much as I like his fire. I think he got badly exposed in the playoffs, when Rondo just absolutely torched him – posted him up, drove past him, and basically treated the former ACC Defensive Player of the Year like a traffic cone. And other than a few games when Billups was out, he didn’t look like he had any idea of how to actually run the point.

    I’m not saying we should trade him just to move from 17–>15. But especially if we end up drafting someone like Shumpert, who comes with a similar or better defensive reputation and is bigger – I think TD should be traded, hopefully for a 1st rounder next year + other picks. I’d still entertain trading him to the Lakers for multiple 2nds this year, and their #1 next year. Very strong draft next year. I understand that the Lakers pick will be late next year, but I doubt TD is the long-term solution at PG, and this way we’d get to “reset” the rookie contract clock on another guy next year. In addition, it would give us more trade options under the Stepien rule.

  48. Brian Cronin

    I agree that now is likely the best time to deal Toney (as his value seems quite high at the moment and I wonder if that would hold true with a year behind Billups), but at the same time I think now would be the wrong time to trade Fields, so Fields’ name continuing to pop up in trade rumros worries me.

    I wish the Knicks had the assets to trade for Nash.

  49. Frank

    @57 – I kinda wish that Nash would just say quietly to the FO that he wants out and wants another chance to play for a title. Keep it hush hush so the fans don’t find out. Not sure that Sarver has any desire to do any favors that help D’Antoni but I think the Sheridan trade of Fields, TD, and Billups for Nash and Childress is not that bad — two young players + a ton of salary relief, not to mention a good trade deadline chip in Billups that would be emotionally easier to trade at the deadline than Nash.

  50. New Guy

    Sarver is the kind of guy that will make sure he sells all his season tickets before he trades Nash, so don’t expect anything now.

    Sorry if this is in another thread, but it seems like Johnny Flynn is ready to be heisted and I’m all for it. Buy low now!

  51. Brian Cronin

    but I think the Sheridan trade of Fields, TD, and Billups for Nash and Childress

    Wasn’t Sheridan’s trade Walker, TD and Billups for Nash and Childress? Presumably, I guess, to leave Fields available to deal with the #17 to trade up to get Jimmer.

    Nash
    Jimmer
    Melo
    Extra E
    Amare

    or

    Nash
    Jimmer
    Melo
    Amar’e
    Turiaf/Sheldon/Jeffries

    Not too shabby.

  52. Ted Nelson

    CRJoe: he has a terrible mid range offensive game

    He’s actually a solid jump shooter for a big. 30% jumpers, .404 FG% 09-10, and 46% jumpers .376 FG% last year… as good as or better than a Nene or K-Mart who Melo has played with. Much better than many traditional Cs. His jumper% went up without Amare actually and Amare did just fine playing with Lopez… so it’s pretty odd to say they can’t play together. They literally have and it went well.

    He’s not a rebounder and his defense needs to improve, but he was 22 last season. The rebounding probably doesn’t improve too much, but the defense should. His DRB% actually stayed constant from 09-10 to 10-11, it was his ORB% that dropped off. Probably not a coincidence that he was asked to take more jumpers without Amare and his ORB% declined.

    Melo is a 3-man who takes 74% jumpers. He’s played with the likes of Nene, K-Mart, and Birdman in Denver and done well. It seems disingenuous to suggest your 3 can’t play with a traditional C.

    Robin Lopez isn’t the perfect C… but if you’re looking for a competent NBA C who excels at shooting from outside, rebounding, and interior defense… you’re probably going to be looking for a long time. Those guys are few and far between. You’re most likely going to have to make trade-offs. Phoenix did this by pairing Lopez and Frye. They made the Conference Finals. I wouldn’t reach on some D-League C like Earl Barron just cause he rebounds and is a decent jump shooter, and since they didn’t re-sign him it doesn’t seem Walshtoni will either.

    I’m not pining for Robin Lopez… if he were to come back in a deal that the Knicks thought gave them access to a much better draft prospect than would be there at 17, though, he could slide into the rotation and have a good shot at developing into a solid NBA C.

  53. New Guy

    BTW for anyone who read that Simmons article, in my humble opinion:

    Felton: 50 cents (he rates a lottery pick as 50 cents, and Felton is being considered for the #7).
    Gallo: 50 cents (if Evan Turner is worth 50 cents…)
    Chandler: quarter
    Mozgov and Randolph: dimes
    Future #1: dime
    17.9 million in cap space: 25 cents (though that could be higher, it’s enough for a max player!)

    Total: $1.80

    Melo: $1 bill
    Chauncey: DIME (definition of dime: “Covers players who should be quarters or 50-cent pieces, only they’re overpaid”; and I’d say Chauncey should be a quarter but at $14 mil is overpaid)
    Brewer: nickel

    Total: $1.15

    Knicks gave up $1.80, received $1.15

  54. Ted Nelson

    I disagree that Gallo wouldn’t do well with Melo and Amare. Melo and Amare are both out roughly 12 MPG, so anywhere from 12 to 24 MPG Gallo could be out there with only one or the other. Leaving 11-23 MPG where all three are out there. Offensively, though, I view his team-first attitude as an asset playing as a 3rd or 4th scoring option. Not getting lost so much as efficiently using the possessions he gets (which Fields can also do).

    Frank: I think he got badly exposed in the playoffs, when Rondo just absolutely torched him – posted him up, drove past him, and basically treated the former ACC Defensive Player of the Year like a traffic cone.

    It’s pretty hard to stop a quick PG in the NBA one-on-one with the current rules. Needs to be a team effort. Rondo torches a lot of people, and in this case it could be on TD and/or the lack of help behind/around him.

    Brian Cronin: Presumably, I guess, to leave Fields available to deal with the #17 to trade up to get Jimmer.

    I would prefer not to see a back-court of Nash and Jimmer.

    Frank: Fields, TD, and Billups for Nash and Childress

    I don’t know if Nash has that much value… Maybe, he’s still very good. He’s 36, though, and a FA after next season. I hope Phoenix doesn’t have the leverage to Denver Walsh around. I don’t think Billups is any worse than Nash, so I’d hope to see a straight-up Nash-Billups deal. I suppose Phoenix does have more leverage since Billups apparently doesn’t like D’Antoni… but I don’t know if it’s that much more.

  55. Frank

    Ted Nelson:

    I don’t know if Nash has that much value… Maybe, he’s still very good. He’s 36, though, and a FA after next season. I hope Phoenix doesn’t have the leverage to Denver Walsh around. I don’t think Billups is any worse than Nash, so I’d hope to see a straight-up Nash-Billups deal. I suppose Phoenix does have more leverage since Billups apparently doesn’t like D’Antoni… but I don’t know if it’s that much more.

    We DO know that Nash is perfect for SSOL though, and that he and Amare have a chemistry that can’t be taught in one training camp. #s wise I don’t think Nash-Billups works, and I think Sarver would need to get more out of the deal to do it just from a PR standpoint. Trading a franchise icon for an old and inferior (arguable how inferior) PG who won’t be around after next season will probably cause Sarver’s house to get firebombed, or at least TP’d.

  56. New Guy

    Why would Sarver trade Nash when his team is losing money and Nash is the key to him selling season ticket packages? No trade is happening until the deadline, if ever.

  57. Frank

    New Guy:
    Why would Sarver trade Nash when his team is losing money and Nash is the key to him selling season ticket packages?No trade is happening until the deadline, if ever.

    Probably true. Just hoping.

    Meanwhile, I kinda feel like this talk of Felton for a lottery pick is all from Denver’s end. Felton, much as I loved his toughness while here, is at best a slightly above average point guard in this league, who only has one year left on his good and reasonable contract but who will want a better and less reasonable contract if he actually plays well. I just can’t imagine Sacramento trading a pick that could be Jimmer (and all the fans he would probably bring) or Kemba Walker, who is a very similar player and would be locked up for 4 years on a better contract.

    Would be great if Kemba fell to us though. I think he would do well here especially as the #3 option rather than forcing up shots through a doubleteam like he was forced to do all year at UConn.

  58. Degree Absolute

    The player I think the Knicks should target is Tyler Honeycutt from UCLA. As far as I can tell, the only major knock on him is that he is skinny. He is very athletic, versatile and actually tries on D. His offensive game is improving and he is a very good passer. He is only 20 and every scouting report I have seen raves about his bball IQ.

  59. Matt Smith

    I’ve never been a talent > need person, especially this high in the draft. I also think needs should be looked at in context. Just because Faried can rebound and defend smaller 4’s doesn’t mean he won’t take up STAT’s minutes or fill our need for length on the interior. Our main concerns are defensive big men that can rebound and a PG for the future that can run the offense. A shooter that can spread the floor I think is a tertiary concern and something that can come cheaper than our other two needs. I don’t think our O needs nearly as much help as our D. That’s why I’m all about getting height for this draft.

    Best case scenario for me – Trade up (#17, Toney, cash, etc) to get Valanciunas. I highly doubt he’s on the board by the picks we can get (I’m hearing 7-13 are more open to shop theirs, aside from #2 and #3 which I don’t think we can get). He’s fallen too since he won’t be available until 2012.

    More realistic – Get Vucevic with #17, buy some 2nd round picks and either get more C prospects (Jeremy Tyler is there in some mocks) or PG prospects (some also have Selby down there).

    Worst case – Trade up for Fredette or Thompson. Please, no.

  60. Ted Nelson

    Frank,

    My biggest point on Nash is just that some patience could make him cheaper or even “free” to acquire… I wouldn’t want to overpay for him now given his impending free agency and age. Mid-season he might be easier to acquire if the Suns are out of it, and next offseason he might cost nothing but cash (with a home in NY it’s even possible he gives NYK a discount). If the Knicks view Childress as an asset, I guess that would be a different story. Helping Sarver with his PR after doing the same for Kroenke is something I’d rather avoid… especially when Nash is maybe an asset for 2 or 3 more seasons.

  61. Ted Nelson

    Matt Smith: I’ve never been a talent > need person, especially this high in the draft.

    A. So you would rather have a bad player who fills a “need” than a good player?

    B. Is #17 high in the draft?

  62. ess-dog

    It sounds like the Bucks pick at #10 is there for the taking. I think Toney Douglas and the #17 would do it.

    The question is, who would we take there? Valanciunas and Jimmer will both be gone and probably Biyombo as well. In my mind that would leave Tristan Thompson and possibly Kemba Walker.

    I’d be curious to see if we’d pass on Kemba if he was there for us.

  63. Frank

    Hahn just released him mock draft – has Kemba falling to us. That would be pretty awesome, especially if we can buy up some late first or second round picks to take some flyers on some bigs.

  64. Frank

    Meanwhile – if rumors are true (they never are) and the Lakers and 76ers are talking about an Odom for Iguodala trade — wow that is some serious defense on the Lake-show. Kobe/Iguodala/Artest + Bynum backing them up. Scary.

  65. Count de Pennies

    Degree Absolute:
    The player I think the Knicks should target is Tyler Honeycutt from UCLA.As far as I can tell, the only major knock on him is that he is skinny.He is very athletic, versatile and actually tries on D.His offensive game is improving and he is a very good passer.He is only 20 and every scouting report I have seen raves about his bball IQ.

    Interesting thought.

    Especially when you consider the growing body of evidence which suggests that UCLA players under Howland tend to make a significant leap, statistically, in the NBA. Westbrook, Love, Collison, Holiday, and Afflalo are the most notable examples of ex-Bruins who have far outplayed their projections.

    That being said, where would you play Honeycutt? I’m not sure if he’s really a good fit for this Knicks team. The UCLA player I’d keep my eye on is Malcolm Lee, one of the best perimeter defenders in college hoops last year. If that’s all he ever turned out to be as a pro, he’d still be a great pickup for NY. But if he exhibits the same growth spurt, offensively, seen in other former Bruins, he could be a steal in the late first/early second (where he’s projected to go)

  66. Matt Smith

    Ted Nelson: A. So you would rather have a bad player who fills a “need” than a good player? B. Is #17 high in the draft?

    A. Obviously not… but I’d rather take a player that fills a need with less talent than a player that we don’t need at all who might be marginally better. I look at both, but favor need more. Doesn’t mean I’d draft a scrub if he’s the next best available center.

    B. Meant low, sorry. I can see taking talent above all else (ie: drafting John Wall last year even if you’ve got a good PG) if you’re in the early lottery.

  67. Kurt

    Another FYI from the Basketball Prospectus article:
    “35 Darius Morris Michigan PG Deron Williams 96.5

    Unofficially, Morris wins the award for player whose agent is most likely to come across this article and frantically email it out to teams on the morning of the draft.”

  68. CRJoe

    Ted Nelson: ut if you’re looking for a competent NBA C who excels at shooting from outside, rebounding, and interior defense… you’re probably going to be looking for a long time.

    I’m not saying we are looking for someone “who excels” at those areas, we’re looking for someone who isn’t terrible in those areas… Like Lopez… Except that with those numbers you showed, you can move him from terrible to “meh” in Mid range game… Either way defenses would sag of him and live with his jumpers as long as they can keep Melo and STAT out of the paint…

    Ted Nelson: It’s pretty hard to stop a quick PG in the NBA one-on-one with the current rules. Needs to be a team effort. Rondo torches a lot of people, and in this case it could be on TD and/or the lack of help behind/around him.

    This is so true, TD is a pretty good defender, man on man & applied to the system… Problem is Stockton would look bad with the defensive mess the Knicks were towards the end of the season.

    ess-dog: It sounds like the Bucks pick at #10 is there for the taking. I think Toney Douglas and the #17 would do it.

    Yeah they are shopping around the pick, they want a scorer and a mid-first round pick, the Pacers are front runners offering Rush & the 15th…. Maybe we could snatch it with TD, the pick and some cash… But honestly I don’t see anyone as good as TD outside of the 5th pick, maybe we could get a better fit for our roster, but no a better player…

  69. Ted Nelson

    Matt Smith: Obviously not… but I’d rather take a player that fills a need with less talent than a player that we don’t need at all who might be marginally better. I look at both, but favor need more.

    I tend to go the opposite way. I don’t think “needs” are so obvious, because I think every team needs good players and rotations are fairly fluid. In the draft, by #17, you’re looking at maybe 50/50 NBA vs. non-NBA players long-term. Like 1/2 of the “best available Xs” will be scrubs. Even though you have Melo, if you see what you really believe is the next Danny Granger (just an example since he went #17 and is a SF… which is Burks to me if he falls, though Burks is luckily more of a 2 anyway) I think you go with the value. Rotations are fluid enough that you can almost always have 2 good wings, guards, or bigs even if their skills overlap. If nothing else, you can trade one of them down the road for similar value at a position of “need.”

    I also think the lower in the draft you get the less you should focus on need. Very roughly speaking… by the mid-first maybe 1/2 the picks in an average draft will do anything and in an average draft maybe 2 or 3 or 4 2nd rounders will do anything significant. In the lottery, on the other hand, I think it’s easier to look at studs at two different positions, have a hard time evaluating which is better, and go with the better fit. Theoretically I still wouldn’t go for need in the lottery (where the opportunity cost of missing is usually higher), I just think practically it’s more likely to come up when you’re deciding between a lot of good players.

  70. Ted Nelson

    CRJoe: I’m not saying we are looking for someone “who excels” at those areas, we’re looking for someone who isn’t terrible in those areas… Like Lopez… Except that with those numbers you showed, you can move him from terrible to “meh” in Mid range game… Either way defenses would sag of him and live with his jumpers as long as they can keep Melo and STAT out of the paint…

    Man you are right, Robin Lopez is just awful at everything and has no chance of getting better after his 22 year old season. What a bum. His career numbers to date as an average NBA C are a mirage.

    We shouldn’t evaluate his eFG% on jumpers relative to other Cs… we should just say they’re “meh” because CRJoe knows all. We need a guy who can shoot, defend, and rebound. They grow on trees. Sheed… oh, wait he couldn’t rebound. Uh… yeah, bigmen who demonstrate the ability to do all those things are borderline All-Stars or better. And you don’t need someone mediocre at all of them if you get someone who excels in one or two. And you can play a rotation with Lopez and other bigs.

    He can’t play with Amare… even though they played on a Conference Finals team together. Great points.

    CRJoe: Yeah they are shopping around the pick, they want a scorer and a mid-first round pick, the Pacers are front runners offering Rush & the 15th…. Maybe we could snatch it with TD, the pick and some cash… But honestly I don’t see anyone as good as TD outside of the 5th pick, maybe we could get a better fit for our roster, but no a better player…

    Thanks for imparting your infinite wisdom on insider trade talks among NBA GMs and that only 5 players in the draft being better than the Knicks’ 6th man. Much appreciated. We are all so lucky.

  71. CRJoe

    Woah, take it easy sparky…

    Lopez eFG% on jumpers??? Guess what… He has similar numbers to Ian Mahinmi & Mikki Moore, Mahinmi is a better rebounder and defender, and Moore is the same roster filler as Lopez will turn to…

    Insider trade talks??? It’s on the front page of yahoo sports buddy, ess dog saw it as well… You can go anywhere on the sports blogosphere and see they’re taking offers from Sn Antonio (Hill & a future pick), Phoenix (a pick swap and some filler), Indy as I mentioned, etc…

    Another thing is that I’m not the one talking with smugness and condescendence, you are the one defending the work of Robin Lopez, but in the next sentence you condemn TD to be worse than Burks or Klay Thompson, just because you have such a strong grasp of quality evaluation…

  72. Ted Nelson

    CRJoe: Woah, take it easy sparky…

    You have zero right to say that after insulting me with some grammar school education comment. Worry about yourself and I’ll take care of me.

    CRJoe: Another thing is that I’m not the one talking with smugness and condescendence,

    Yeah, you are… I cite facts to back up just about any point I state definitively. Otherwise I talk about things as conditional primarily.

    CRJoe: the same roster filler as Lopez will turn to…

    Again, thanks for predicting the future.

    CRJoe: Insider trade talks??? It’s on the front page of yahoo sports buddy, ess dog saw it as well…

    Because every rumor in the MSM is true? You state is as fact, when it’s really a rumor. You don’t even cite a source. That comes across as smug.

    CRJoe: ou are the one defending the work of Robin Lopez, but in the next sentence you condemn TD to be worse than Burks or Klay Thompson, just because you have such a strong grasp of quality evaluation…

    You need to work on your reading comprehension. I can write it in Spanish too if that helps you.

    I am not saying Lopez is great. I am defending him from being called terrible based on a small sample, the average of which is actually solid. I am saying that you’re going to have a hard time finding a C who spaces the floor, defends well, and rebounds well.

    I am not saying that any one player will be better than TD. I am saying that after the #5 pick in this draft there is like a 99% chance that…

  73. Degree Absolute

    Count de Pennies: Interesting thought.

    Especially when you consider the growing body of evidence which suggests that UCLA players under Howland tend to make a significant leap, statistically, in the NBA. Westbrook, Love, Collison, Holiday, and Afflalo are the most notable examples of ex-Bruins who have far outplayed their projections.

    That being said, where would you play Honeycutt? I’m not sure if he’s really a good fit for this Knicks team. The UCLA player I’d keep my eye on is Malcolm Lee, one of the best perimeter defenders in college hoops last year. If that’s all he ever turned out to be as a pro, he’d still be a great pickup for NY. But if he exhibits the same growth spurt, offensively, seen in other former Bruins, he could be a steal in the late first/early second (where he’s projected to go)

    I would give him minutes at the 2 and 3. At 6’9, (If he is as athletic as advertised) he could cause major mismatch problems at the shooting guard position. According to scouting reports, he moves well without the ball on offense, which is something that I think the Knicks had problems with after the Melo deal. He seems to be a player we can develop while contributing from the get go as a back up with spot up shooting and effort on D.

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