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		<title>By: Steph</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/tonights-4-factors-vs-pho-12207/#comment-186824</link>
		<dc:creator>Steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 06:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I gotz nothin but luv for Qrich, Curry, Jcraw and Malik Rose. I cant pass if they aint open, dog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gotz nothin but luv for Qrich, Curry, Jcraw and Malik Rose. I cant pass if they aint open, dog.</p>
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		<title>By: Alec</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/tonights-4-factors-vs-pho-12207/#comment-186014</link>
		<dc:creator>Alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a Knick fan that lives in DC. I have season tickets and Haywood is a beast this year.  I sit in the nose bleeds and everyone calls him the janitor because he does the dirty work.  

Yet, somehow he is still being outplayed by Blatche.  This kid reminds me of a young Jermaine O&#039;Neal coming out of Portland.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Knick fan that lives in DC. I have season tickets and Haywood is a beast this year.  I sit in the nose bleeds and everyone calls him the janitor because he does the dirty work.  </p>
<p>Yet, somehow he is still being outplayed by Blatche.  This kid reminds me of a young Jermaine O&#8217;Neal coming out of Portland.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/tonights-4-factors-vs-pho-12207/#comment-185996</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am wearing his jersey as I write this...

But yea, that&#039;s a typo...

I think it bears mentioning that in the last ten games, basically since those debacles in Miami and Phoenix, Lee has posted a ts% of 61% while averaging 14 rebounds per 48. Not terrible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am wearing his jersey as I write this&#8230;</p>
<p>But yea, that&#8217;s a typo&#8230;</p>
<p>I think it bears mentioning that in the last ten games, basically since those debacles in Miami and Phoenix, Lee has posted a ts% of 61% while averaging 14 rebounds per 48. Not terrible.</p>
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		<title>By: jon abbey</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon abbey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;And the REAL best finishers in my opinion:&quot;

dunno what his numbers are, but Tony Parker has to be mentioned in this category, he&#039;s 6 feet tall without special hops, yet he&#039;s always in the league leaders in points in the paint.

I&#039;ve always liked Brendan Haywood, ever since college, nice to see him finally starting to put it together.

&quot;This year He is averaging 17.64 points per 48&quot;

does capitalizing &quot;He&quot; mean you&#039;re actually worshipping him now? :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And the REAL best finishers in my opinion:&#8221;</p>
<p>dunno what his numbers are, but Tony Parker has to be mentioned in this category, he&#8217;s 6 feet tall without special hops, yet he&#8217;s always in the league leaders in points in the paint.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always liked Brendan Haywood, ever since college, nice to see him finally starting to put it together.</p>
<p>&#8220;This year He is averaging 17.64 points per 48&#8243;</p>
<p>does capitalizing &#8220;He&#8221; mean you&#8217;re actually worshipping him now? :)</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Frank - It&#039;s ugly when he gets his shot blocked, it&#039;s undignified, and it makes me wince. But facts are facts. DLee is off to a bad start and his scoring efficiency, his ts%, is still 56.7% this year. That trails Curry by less than 2%. This year He is averaging 17.64 points per 48, 1.7 points less than the average power forward.

Getting your shot blocked is in there with the ability to hit a jumpshot in the category of things that produce a visceral reaction in basketball fans but matter less than they think. If Lee were shooting 47.3 ts% and getting his shot blocked that much I would be more worried.

Re the Haywood and Thomas comparison, not sure where you are going with that. First of all, has Etan Thomas played this year? I don&#039;t seem him on the stat page.  

But really, what&#039;s wrong with Haywood and Thomas? Sure they are not immortal players, but when healthy they are very good low usage big men. I would much rather the two of them on the Knicks then Eddy Curry. We would actually have two defenders who can block shots and rebound. 

PER has a lot of problems with low usage big men, and a lot of problems in general. The fact Rodman is rated as below average for his career should be enough to tell you that. But FWIW, Lee&#039;s Per was over 20 last year,  which Haywood and Thomas can&#039;t touch. That&#039;s a mark better than Curry has ever posted, and better than every year by Randolph other than last year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank &#8211; It&#8217;s ugly when he gets his shot blocked, it&#8217;s undignified, and it makes me wince. But facts are facts. DLee is off to a bad start and his scoring efficiency, his ts%, is still 56.7% this year. That trails Curry by less than 2%. This year He is averaging 17.64 points per 48, 1.7 points less than the average power forward.</p>
<p>Getting your shot blocked is in there with the ability to hit a jumpshot in the category of things that produce a visceral reaction in basketball fans but matter less than they think. If Lee were shooting 47.3 ts% and getting his shot blocked that much I would be more worried.</p>
<p>Re the Haywood and Thomas comparison, not sure where you are going with that. First of all, has Etan Thomas played this year? I don&#8217;t seem him on the stat page.  </p>
<p>But really, what&#8217;s wrong with Haywood and Thomas? Sure they are not immortal players, but when healthy they are very good low usage big men. I would much rather the two of them on the Knicks then Eddy Curry. We would actually have two defenders who can block shots and rebound. </p>
<p>PER has a lot of problems with low usage big men, and a lot of problems in general. The fact Rodman is rated as below average for his career should be enough to tell you that. But FWIW, Lee&#8217;s Per was over 20 last year,  which Haywood and Thomas can&#8217;t touch. That&#8217;s a mark better than Curry has ever posted, and better than every year by Randolph other than last year.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike K. (KnickerBlogger)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike K. (KnickerBlogger)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Frank, 

Lee has been getting his shot blocked like crazy this year. I&#039;m not surprised at all at the numbers. Last year his blocked shot %s was 14%/10% nearly half the rate, and very close to the &quot;monster of the post&quot; Zach Randolph. It could be Lee&#039;s injury lingering, or the cold bench sapping his strength for 24 minutes a game. Seriously though I&#039;ll be a tiny bit concerned if Lee&#039;s doesn&#039;t improve on those numbers. That&#039;s Malik Rose territory.

As for your comparable, I love Brendan Haywood. WizKev scouted out the team&#039;s defense for a few years, and Haywood seemed to come out as one of the team&#039;s better defenders.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, </p>
<p>Lee has been getting his shot blocked like crazy this year. I&#8217;m not surprised at all at the numbers. Last year his blocked shot %s was 14%/10% nearly half the rate, and very close to the &#8220;monster of the post&#8221; Zach Randolph. It could be Lee&#8217;s injury lingering, or the cold bench sapping his strength for 24 minutes a game. Seriously though I&#8217;ll be a tiny bit concerned if Lee&#8217;s doesn&#8217;t improve on those numbers. That&#8217;s Malik Rose territory.</p>
<p>As for your comparable, I love Brendan Haywood. WizKev scouted out the team&#8217;s defense for a few years, and Haywood seemed to come out as one of the team&#8217;s better defenders.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[not to keep piling on this &quot;own shots blocked&quot; business, but does anyone know whether there are stats kept on points scored after blocked shot? it seems like a lot of times the blocking team runs out and it&#039;s almost like a fast break... is scoring more efficient after a block?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not to keep piling on this &#8220;own shots blocked&#8221; business, but does anyone know whether there are stats kept on points scored after blocked shot? it seems like a lot of times the blocking team runs out and it&#8217;s almost like a fast break&#8230; is scoring more efficient after a block?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[apology -- Lee was one of the best &quot;weak-hand finishers&quot; in the NBA according to Hollinger. But the other guys on that list -- Boozer, Artest, Kaman have these &quot;own shots blocked&quot; percentages:

Boozer - 14% close, 12% inside
Artest - 3.4% close, 4.9% inside 
Kaman -  8% close, 7% inside

And the REAL best finishers in my opinion:

LeBron - 9% close, 12% inside
Kobe - 5%, 6%
Stoudemire - 3.5%, 6.5%
David Lee - 29%, 19%]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>apology &#8212; Lee was one of the best &#8220;weak-hand finishers&#8221; in the NBA according to Hollinger. But the other guys on that list &#8212; Boozer, Artest, Kaman have these &#8220;own shots blocked&#8221; percentages:</p>
<p>Boozer &#8211; 14% close, 12% inside<br />
Artest &#8211; 3.4% close, 4.9% inside<br />
Kaman &#8211;  8% close, 7% inside</p>
<p>And the REAL best finishers in my opinion:</p>
<p>LeBron &#8211; 9% close, 12% inside<br />
Kobe &#8211; 5%, 6%<br />
Stoudemire &#8211; 3.5%, 6.5%<br />
David Lee &#8211; 29%, 19%</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting tidbit for all the David Lee man-lovers out there who think he deserves 35+ minutes per game despite the fact that he seems to get blocked every other time he gets near the hoop.  Despite all the per-minute stat love he gets, here are 2 immortal players in the league right now that he matches quite equally with in terms of stats and what they expect from him on the floor (ie. defense, rebounding, tip-ins):


Name        Usage    RebRate   PER   R/40   TS%
David Lee    15.2       18     17.6  12.6   56.7
B.Haywood    15.4      16.6    17.6  11.6    56
Etan Thomas  13.1      17.4    15.6  12.1   58.5

Would there be a lot of clamoring for Haywood and Thomas to get on the court more if they were on the Knicks?

Don&#039;t know what&#039;s wrong with Lee this year but he is definitely NOT the same player as we thought he was last year. Have we hit a ceiling with him?

From 82games -- David Lee takes 45% of his shots from &quot;close&quot; and an astounding 29% of them are blocked.  Overall on his &quot;inside&quot; shots which account for 74% of his total shots, 19% of them are blocked. For someone who makes his living on dumpoff dunks and putbacks, that is outrageously bad. In comparison, only 12% of Z-Bo&#039;s &quot;close&quot; shots are blocked, and only 13% of all &quot;inside&quot; shots are blocked.   

Now I looked around to some other teams and it seems like more shots get blocked in general than I would have thought... even so, for someone who was once characterized by John Hollinger as one of the top 5 finishers in the NBA, there is a serious problem here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting tidbit for all the David Lee man-lovers out there who think he deserves 35+ minutes per game despite the fact that he seems to get blocked every other time he gets near the hoop.  Despite all the per-minute stat love he gets, here are 2 immortal players in the league right now that he matches quite equally with in terms of stats and what they expect from him on the floor (ie. defense, rebounding, tip-ins):</p>
<p>Name        Usage    RebRate   PER   R/40   TS%<br />
David Lee    15.2       18     17.6  12.6   56.7<br />
B.Haywood    15.4      16.6    17.6  11.6    56<br />
Etan Thomas  13.1      17.4    15.6  12.1   58.5</p>
<p>Would there be a lot of clamoring for Haywood and Thomas to get on the court more if they were on the Knicks?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s wrong with Lee this year but he is definitely NOT the same player as we thought he was last year. Have we hit a ceiling with him?</p>
<p>From 82games &#8212; David Lee takes 45% of his shots from &#8220;close&#8221; and an astounding 29% of them are blocked.  Overall on his &#8220;inside&#8221; shots which account for 74% of his total shots, 19% of them are blocked. For someone who makes his living on dumpoff dunks and putbacks, that is outrageously bad. In comparison, only 12% of Z-Bo&#8217;s &#8220;close&#8221; shots are blocked, and only 13% of all &#8220;inside&#8221; shots are blocked.   </p>
<p>Now I looked around to some other teams and it seems like more shots get blocked in general than I would have thought&#8230; even so, for someone who was once characterized by John Hollinger as one of the top 5 finishers in the NBA, there is a serious problem here.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I put no great stock in +/- data, Randolph has managed to help the offense quite a bit so far this year, it seems, though it seems incredible to me. Crawford seems to have helped as well. Bizarre.

Curry has helped just a bit of offense (1.7) but has been absolutely atrocious on defense, (8.4).

And Lee, still hanging out, waiting to make a positive impact...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I put no great stock in +/- data, Randolph has managed to help the offense quite a bit so far this year, it seems, though it seems incredible to me. Crawford seems to have helped as well. Bizarre.</p>
<p>Curry has helped just a bit of offense (1.7) but has been absolutely atrocious on defense, (8.4).</p>
<p>And Lee, still hanging out, waiting to make a positive impact&#8230;</p>
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