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Thursday, October 2, 2014

Tonight’s 4 Factors (@ PHI, 12/7/07)

After each game this season, we’ll be taking a look at what the four factors have to say about the game– how the winner won and the loser lost. For an intro to the four factors, see A Layman’s Guide to Advanced NBA Statistics.

Knicks lose to Sixers, 101 – 90

	Pace	Eff	eFG	FT/FG	OREB%	TOr
NYK	90.0	100.0	47.7%	9.3	31.3	13.3
PHI		112.2	51.2%	15.1	31.6	13.3

Subpar effort on both ends of the court tonight. A good offensive rebounding and ball handling effort was sabotaged by bad eFG% and a horrendous showing at the line (only 8 makes on only 17 attempts). Zach Randolph is the goat, continuously forcing poor shots and finishing 2-11 from the field with no FTs. Curry did some modest damage but was limited by foul trouble (12 points, 5 fouls in 26 minutes). And so the Knicks had no interior presence offensively in this game. The Sixers are an above average defensive team thus far (allowing 106 points per 100 possessions, tied for 12th) so the bad offensive showing against a lottery bound team isn’t quite as bad as it might seem. But don’t let that fool you– it was still awful.

On the other end of the court, the Sixers have been as poor offensively as the Knicks thus far (averaging 101.9 pp100, 23rd). The Knicks allowed them to score over 10 pp100 over their season average though. That number that is almost identical to NY’s average points allowed per 100 possessions (112.3), despite the fact that the Sixers are a below average offensive squad. Tally it up and you have a quite bad defensive performance, even by the low standards set by the Knicks’ average defensive efficiency.


4 factor stats were acquired using the ESPN4Factors script by Cherokee of the ABPRmetrics board. Firefox users can use this script (after installing the Greasemonkey extension) to see 4 factor stats automatically displayed in all NBA boxscores on espn.com.

19 comments on “Tonight’s 4 Factors (@ PHI, 12/7/07)

  1. Z

    If I hadn’t watched the game, I’d have figured the loss was due to Marbury and Curry playing, and that the positive win over the Nets had no lessons learned; however, neither 2) Marbury or 3) Curry played too much and the Knicks lost soundly to a bad team. Oh well. So much for the bench Marbury and Curry and all will be fine strategy…

  2. gmal

    There is a strong probability that only 2% of knick fans think that giving up the draft picks and players for Marbury and Curry has worked out for the team and they happen to reside on this blog.
    With the exception of atlanta curry would be a backup center on every other team in the east.
    Marbury’s game is not suited for an offensive scheme that depends on feeding the ball into the middle as your first option, not to mention his defense.
    All anyone needs to look at is the record last year and so far this year and the lack of chemistry that there is in which the blame has to go to the players that are on the court and have the ball in their hands the most.
    No excuse not to play Morris and Chandler some minutes last nite. It was a perfect opportunity for them to get some experience and keep them motivated.
    Lets Go Knicks! the 8th seed is in our hands, we will not have developed a vital part of our future and loose 4 straight to any of the top 4 teams if we get there, but who cares at least we can justify the salaries, draft picks we gave away for the players we brought here.

  3. The ghost of Charles Oakley

    There is a study that shows the Knicks will end with an 28 win season and not make the playoffs again. So much for the Isiah, Marbury and Curry are the future, and all will be fine strategy.

  4. Dave

    Z Said:
    “If I hadn?t watched the game, I?d have figured the loss was due to Marbury and Curry playing, and that the positive win over the Nets had no lessons learned; however, neither 2) Marbury or 3) Curry played too much and the Knicks lost soundly to a bad team. Oh well. So much for the bench Marbury and Curry and all will be fine strategy?”

    You can look at it as they were on the bench too much and last, or you can see that it is their lack of good play as a reason for them being on the bench in the first place. BTW, Marbury and Curry did not play one minute in the Nets win.

  5. njhoops

    Z-man, I think ZR actually ate some magic mushrooms off of Curry’s plate during meal break #5.

    The Knicks should be renamed the Magic – they are capable of the following feats:

    Turning Samuel Dalembert into Dwight Howard
    Turning Reggie Evans into Carlos Boozer
    Turning Louis Williams into Chauncey Billups
    Turning Zach Randolph into Pat Cummings

    Presto chango!

  6. Owen

    “There is a strong probability that only 2% of knick fans think that giving up the draft picks and players for Marbury and Curry has worked out for the team and they happen to reside on this blog.”

    Gmal – What are you saying here? You think people on this blog think that Curry and Marbury have worked out? That’s not the impression I get…

    In other news, David Lee after last night officially has the highest ts% on the team.

  7. Z

    “There is a strong probability that only 2% of knick fans think that giving up the draft picks and players for Marbury and Curry has worked out for the team and they happen to reside on this blog.”

    I can’t think of the last time I read on this blog that Marbury has worked out (I think the fat kid used to argue it) and Ben R. prefaces most postings by apologizing for not wanting to dump Curry for anybody. I think you are misinterpreting what you read here.

    “BTW, Marbury and Curry did not play one minute in the Nets win.”

    That was my point.

  8. z-man

    Do they get a pass for being zapped by this week’s events?

    I’m interested in the reaction to Steph at the Garden tonite.

  9. Eduardo

    Hey guys cheer up.. maybe there’s another overrated veteran, with off court problems and a big contract wanting to come to Ny! YAY!!! Wait a minute… Artest… oh my :-(

  10. jon abbey

    Steph will be cheered tonight, and he should be. they can go back to booing him next week.

    also, Kenyon Martin would be better than Artest, bigger contract, way worse game, and he could take minutes away from Lee.

  11. Caleb

    Late in the 2nd, we have Crawford 1 for 6, Marbury 1 for 4, Randolph 1 for 3 and Curry with one shot (he made it!).

    Nice to see real Knick basketball, once again.

    And David Lee, 5 points and 5 boards in 9 minutes.

  12. jon abbey

    I’ll say it again, there’s not a single team in the East we match up well against. this one’s just brutal, I think I’m done for tonight.

  13. chaplin

    it’s not even interesting enough to complain about, it’s beyond anything comprehensible………..

  14. Ben R

    I missed the game and driving home tonight I was really upset I forgot to record but now I think it is for the best.

    Wow that boxscore is really something. Is Isiah finally tired of Zach because he only got 14 minutes. Maybe he will bench him and start Lee. As for the starters Crawford had 7 turnovers that is impressive.

    This is becoming comedy. Something needs to change now.

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