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Friday, October 31, 2014

The Casual Draftnik’s Guide to Some Possible Knicks Prospects

Get to sort of know some draft prospects!

Up until 4:15 EST yesterday, we had very little motivation to jump on the internet and scout possible Knicks draft prospects. Mainly because the Knicks had no picks. We figured that if Phil somehow grabbed one, WeI’d just scout whoever they took after the fact. But then boom! The Knicks traded with Dallas and acquired not one, but TWO DRAFT PICKS. TWO PICKS. IT’S LIKE CHRISTMAS IN JUNE AND MY BIRTHDAY AND FINDING A TWENTY DOLLAR BILL IN AN OLD PAIR OF JEANS.

I was/am excited, but then realized that I had no idea who might be available at nos. 34 and 51 beyond a few names – Patric Young, Walter Tavares, Nick Johnson, Cleanthony Early (they should take this guy solely for his ironic name). But as a casual, at best, observer of college basketball, I didn’t really even know anything about the guys I sort of knew something about. I imagine that some of you reading this are in the same situation. Don’t worry, I’ve gone through and identified a handful of prospects that I think the Knicks might or might not target. Additionally, I watched some YouTube clips, read some scouting reports and compiled my own scorching #HotTakes about each of these prospects. So now I’m kind of not totally in the dark with these guys. Come out of the shadows, Knickerbloggeristas, and join me…

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Two guys the “Bockers will have to move into the first round to have a chance at:

PJ Hairston, SG North Carolina

It’s pretty much a guarantee that Hairston won’t be there when the Knicks pick at 34. Chad Ford has him as the 18th best prospect in the draft, while Draft Express ranks him 20th and Jay Bilas ranks him 23rd. A 6’5 shooting guard that dominated the D-League this past season after being dismissed from North Carolina for eligibility violations, Hairston is strong enough to guard threes and is a good outside shooter. Right now, I’d say he’s more complete of a player than Tim Hardaway Jr. The Knicks level of interest in Hairston has reportedly been “very, very high.”

My take on this is that Phil likes Hairston as a prospect, but also wants to make changes to the current crop of two guards at the Knicks disposal. JR Smith isn’t a bad basketball player, but I don’t think Phil wants to put up with his, let’s say, “abrasive” behavioral patterns. I don’t particularly like Hardaway in the triangle, or in general (I realize I may not be in the majority in this regard), and could see him used as trade bait for a team to also take on Smith, as was the case yesterday, when Chandler was the carrot to bear the punishment of receiving Felton, the stick. Shumpert can play in the triangle, but he’s a restricted free agent after this season and there have been rumors he’s out of here for more than a year So from that perspective, it makes sense that the Knicks might be targeting a shooting guard in the draft.

Hairston obviously comes with some off-court baggage, and Draft Express also cites inconsistent effort as one of his major weaknesses. But the talent is there. He’s strong defensively and has upside there. He can’t create much off the dribble, but that shouldn’t be too much of an issue as a role player in the triangle. Hairston is a strong outside shooter both in spot-up situations and coming off screens. He can definitely be a useful player shooting threes and playing defense.

Kyle Anderson SF/PF, UCLA 

Anderson is another guy that won’t be there at 34, but who’d be a good fit on the Knicks. I’m an unabashed Arizona Wildcat fan, so admittedly I loathe UCLA. Anderson played his best game of the season against the ‘Cats in the Pac-12 Championship, scoring 21 points, grabbing 15 boards and dishing out five assists. He was the best player on the floor in a game that featured a likely top-10 pick in Aaron Gordon and Pac-12 player of the year Nick Johnson. I was incredibly impressed, though I’d been a fan of Anderson’s long before that. He’s a throwback, an outlier in this era of smaller, quicker point guards. He won’t play point guard in the NBA, but playing it in college will help him in a league moving to a more European style of play.

You can see a scenario where he’ll end up being the next Boris Diaw: a versatile point forward that can run an offense or play a key role as secondary facilitator. The triangle offense always has use for tall dudes who can pass. The Knicks are going to be a heavy user of post-ups and Anderson would slide right in as a high-post operator. His question marks are mostly centered around his athletic ability, namely his quickness. He shot 48% from three last season, but there are also concerns about just how good of a shooter he really is. Regardless, his point forward ability would make him really useful to the Knicks. If they somehow work their way into the first round and grabbed Anderson, I’d be elated. I’m willing to overlook the fact that he went to UCLA, because I’m that good a guy.

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Given that the Knicks had no picks until yesterday, there hasn’t been much out there about who they might be targeting. I’m going to write about some guys that, given their projected value by Draft Express, ESPN, etc, should be taken in that 30-51 range.

Patric Young, PF/C Florida 

I don’t like Patric Young for the Knicks. He’s 6’9 and a bull defensively, but he doesn’t do much on offense other than set good screens. He can’t shoot and doesn’t have much of a post-game. He’s a strong defender, but not a great rebounder. A team like the Spurs can maybe turn him into a useful player. They can use his strong screen setting skills to open up space for Ginobili or whoever to operate in the pick and roll. The triangle historically creates most pick and roll opportunities from pinch post action, but you wouldn’t really want Young operating at the elbow on the weak-side because he can’t shoot. I don’t see where he fits in offensively. Having said that, good defenders typically stick around for a few years in the league. The Knicks will be lousy next year anyways. Maybe they take a flyer on him. I like other guys more though.

Cleanthony Early, SF Wichita State

Early is intriguing to me. I don’t love him for the Knicks because I question his effectiveness playing in a half-court offense. At 6’7, he’s a tweener, which wouldn’t bother me as much on a team that played smaller lineups and ran a bunch. However, he does have some experience as a low post scorer. While he’s not advanced at it, he’s done it and has a decent face up game as well. Assuming he’s playing small forward in some healthily sized Knicks lineups, he could be a decent scorer out of the low-post against other NBA threes. He also has some playmaking abilities on defense because of his athleticism. He’s 23, which is seen as a limit on his upside. I like him as a prospect that can come in and be a contributor right away, but I’d feel better about him on the Knicks if there was a strong veteran core in place. He seems like a good Spurs pick to me (although I guess everybody is. Seriously, if the Spurs drafted you or me, everyone would still say something to the effect of, “Oh that crafty Pop/RC! Always thinking outside the box!” etc.).

Glenn Robinson III, SF Michigan

I defer to the always-informative and -pretty Bryan Gibberman when it comes to evaluating Michigan players. I asked him about Robinson III last night.

Me: Do you like Glenn Robinson?

Bryan: NEGATIVE Me: What’s wrong with him?

Bryan: Dribbling, defense, rebounding, passing.

Me: New York probably shouldn’t draft this guy.

Walter Tavares, C Cape Verde

Don’t worry, I googled Cape Verde for you because I didn’t know what or where it was either. It’s not something they stuff enchiladas with, rather it’s an island country in the Atlantic Ocean. From Wikipedia:

Cape Verde, officially the Republic of Cape Verde, is an island country spanning an archipelago of 10 volcanic islands in the central Atlantic Ocean. Located 570 kilometres (350 miles) off the coast of Western Africa, the islands cover a combined area of slightly over 4,000 square kilometres (1,500 sq mi). Three (Sal, Boa Vista and Maio) are fairly flat, sandy and dry; the others generally rockier with more vegetation. Historically, the name “Cape Verde” has been used in English for the archipelago and, since independence, for the country. In 2013, the Cape Verdean government determined that the Portuguese designation “Cabo Verde” would henceforth be used for official purposes, such as at the United Nations, even in English contexts.

So there you go. As for Tavares, he’s a really interesting prospect. He stands 7’2 with massive hands and a 7’10 wingspan. That alone makes him intriguing, but he also possesses some useful skills. He’s a strong rebounder and is active on defense. Tavares isn’t a plodder, like say Kendrick Perkins. He doesn’t move gracefully like Embiid, but he’s not a dope either. Draft Express’ scouting video of him has footage of him being an effective roll guy in the screen and roll, showcasing his ability to move efficiently. He’s also a 74% free throw shooter, which is encouraging for a guy who didn’t touch a basketball until he was 17. He’s definitely a long-term project, which probably rules him out for the Knicks.

While I think they’d be fine to draft him and stash him for a few years–he just signed a three-year deal with Gran Canaria–they probably want somebody who is closer to contributing. Even if Tavares came over this season or next, he wouldn’t have much of an impact. He needs a lot of time. Having said that, Phil did wonders for Andrew Bynum, a young, raw seven-footer and might be open to taking on the Tavares project as well. Tavares won’t become the scorer Bynum was in his prime, but he has the potential to be better defensively.

Spencer Dinwiddie G, Colorado

In the book 11 Rings, Phil Jackson talks about how he liked having big guards to counteract the league’s movement towards smaller, quicker ones. Spencer Dinwiddie is a 6’6 point guard from Colorado that can play both the one and two. He tore his ACL in January which obviously has hurt his draft stock immensely. But assuming he comes back close to where he was pre-injury, Dinwiddie could provide a good return on investment for whichever team is patient enough to grab him. In Draft Express’ preseason scouting video for Dinwiddie, they list his four strengths as:

Scoring Instincts Creating for Others Defensive Potential Versatility

Sounds pretty good, right? They listed his biggest weakness as athleticism, and a torn ACL obviously won’t help that. He’s a risk in that regard; he just might not be athletic enough to survive in the league. With modern medicine being where it’s at, ACL injuries have become far less catastrophic than they used to be. But with cases like Derrick Rose’s, we see that there is still a ways to go. In twenty years, ACL injuries will probably carry far less long term risk than they currently do now, but we’re not there yet. Chad Ford says in his mock draft 9.0 that teams are looking at Dinwiddie at the end of the first round and that he’s probably not getting past Philadelphia at 39. He’d be a fine value pick for the Knicks at 34 and would be of use to them in the triangle. It’s just a matter of whether or not they’re willing to roll the dice.

Thanasis Antetokounmpo, F Greece

Giannis’ brother!

Well, older brother. Like Tavares, he’s a project. He’s super athletic, has good length, and plays with a lot of energy. Because of these aforementioned traits, he has big upside as a wing defender. However, his offensive game is totally raw. He can’t shoot and scouts think he’s lacking in basketball IQ. He needs more time to develop. Not even close to warranting consideration at 34, but I’d be fine with the Knicks grabbing him at 51.

Nick Johnson, G Arizona

Johnson could be an option for the Knicks at 51 if they wanted to try and turn him into a triangle point guard. He’s really undersized for a two guard, which is why he’ll drop so far. However, he’s very athletic, can shoot with three point range and is a strong defender. If they think he’s smart enough to eventually get the offense down, I could see them trying him at the point. Then again, we’ve seen what happens when you try to cram a SG peg into a PG hole. You know, like Shump.

Aaron Craft, G Ohio State

Please don’t draft this guy.

CJ Fair, F Syracuse

He’s the guy who got called for the charge at the end of that Duke game where Boeheim lost his freaking mind. That was pretty great.

Jordan Bachynski, C Arizona State 

He’s big and white and plays center. Phil likes the big white guy we already have playing center. Maybe he takes another one. Who knows?

Christiano Felicio, F/C Minas

There are going to be a bunch of dirty jokes made about this dude’s last name if the gets drafted. Or there might not be. I think I have problems.

World Cup! Woo!

Bogdan Bogdanovic, G Partizan

I feel like this guy has been a prospect in every draft since 2002.

There are some notable names in the late 2nd round/undrafted player category, like: Markel Brown, G Oklahoma State, James Michael McAdoo, PF North Carolina, Dwight Powell PF, Stanford, Scottie Wilbekin G, Florida, Keith Appling G, Michigan State, Jahii Carson G, Arizona State, and should the Knickerbockers decide to take anyone of them to the big barn dance, we’ll have all kinds of thoughts, but this lil’ primer is already long enough.

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Well there you have it. Now you sort of know some things about a few of the prospects the Knicks might take in the draft tonight. It’s virtually impossible to predict what they’re going to do, but it should be fun nonetheless. The Knicks have actually had some relevant second round picks the past few years, so the draft is definitely worth paying attention to. And it’s Phil’s first draft obviously, so that’ll be cool to see how he approaches it. In my “expert” opinion, he’ll be looking to add players who are good at basketball. Maybe he’ll just re-draft Andy Rautins. Actually, I really hope he re-drafts Andy Rautins. GO KNICKS!

JORTS FTW!

94 comments on “The Casual Draftnik’s Guide to Some Possible Knicks Prospects

  1. iserp

    Bogdan Bogdanovic, G Partizan

    I feel like this guy has been a prospect in every draft since 2002.

    Probably because there is another player called Bojan Bogdanovich who is playing in europe but the Nets have his rights.

  2. DRed

    TJ Bray. Big, productive Ivy League PG. Works for us every time. We had him in for a workout, and he’s almost certainly going to be available after the draft. Feel the Braymania!

  3. Farfa

    I say it again. Alessandro Gentile, if he’s still there at #51. Solid big guard, can shoot (but not lights out), huge confidence, over-the-top desire to win, great sense of when to attack the rim. May get lost in a sort of frenzy when scoring 3 buckets in a row, but a true crowd agitator. Might become a better version of Sasha Vujacic, who believe it or not was a cog in the last two Phil championships.

  4. Brian Cronin

    Denver to re-acquire Afflalo. Wow, first Chandler and now Afflalo – the NBA is all about “Oops, we shouldn’t have traded you the first time around.”

  5. DRed

    Denver to re-acquire Afflalo. Wow, first Chandler and now Afflalo – the NBA is all about “Oops, we shouldn’t have traded you the first time around.”

    Come on Phil. Bring Mozgov home.

  6. Farfa

    Denver reacquiring Afflalo is a pretty “meh” move in itself. If Minnesota really accepts an Afflalo, Faried and Chandler package for Love they are one of the last remaining “treading water” teams in the NBA.

  7. Mr. Jowles, who commands your respect

    Z-man,

    “In the regular season, Anthony was in isolation on 26 percent of Knicks’ plays that ended with a field goal attempt, free throw or turnover from the All-Star. He had a 41.8 field goal percentage on such plays, according to data compiled by ESPN Stats & Information.

    In the playoffs, Anthony has been in isolation on 43 percent of plays that end with the ball in his hand and has shot just 31 percent from the floor on those plays. ”

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/42913/iso-melo-amiss-in-postseason

    It is total nonsense to blame this on anyone but Carmelo Anthony and Mike Woodson. The idea that it is Tyson Chandler’s fault that Carmelo is “forced” to make an ISO-type shot rather than running a pick-and-roll or any other kind of “team-oriented” play is total and complete nonsense.

    I know it makes a lot of sense to you that Carmelo is “forced” to take 41% of shots in isolation because of Chandler’s poor post game, but I would recommend pulling your head out of the sand on this one.

  8. Farfa

    Guys, it’s incredible but the Harden-Melo rumor is getting real, real steam. I wouldn’t believe it, but if Harden comes here we have our surrogate of a superstar. Also, if Harden comes here we go slightly up with our chances to sign Durant in 2016.

    Full disclosure: I’m not a great fan of Harden. I was until last year, then I got fed up with all the whining, flopping and not-defending. That said, he’s young and has a great, great contract for a guy who produces as much as he does on offense. That said again, wrap your head around this quintet: Calderon-Harden-THJ-Amare-Bargs. DRtg: 250?

  9. er

    god bless your heart Jowles. You are now in apples and oranges mode. Zman didnt mention Melo, who fucked up his shoulder against the C’s and torched them in the first two games. Also what the hell does that have to do with Chandler having no offensive skills? Melo needs to run more pnr and all that but jeez

  10. Farfa

    Chandler can’t be guilty of any of our offensive failures in 2013-14. I didn’t like his attitude last year, but on offense he always did what he had to do. Melo played lots of ISOs part because Woody, part because he probably believes in hero-ball.

  11. DRed

    hat said again, wrap your head around this quintet: Calderon-Harden-THJ-Amare-Bargs. DRtg: 250?

    That would be incredible.

    I’ll be pretty unhappy if Bargs is playing any position other than DNP-CD next year, but if he has to play, you might as well dream big.

  12. Owen

    “That said again, wrap your head around this quintet: Calderon-Harden-THJ-Amare-Bargs. DRtg: 250?”

    Lol, that is hilarious to think about. I would watch that team just for the fun of it….

  13. Mr. Jowles, who commands your respect

    I think Bargnani could be a great volleyball player, especially considering his “athleticism” and “skills” or whatever bullshit ruruland spouted when he came over here.

  14. Farfa

    Farfa where do you see it gaining steam?

    Multiple sources but especially Bill Simmons. I don’t like him very much as of now, but the man has his sources.

  15. CaptainB

    I don’t know why you say the harden melo trade is gaining steam. Simmons mentions it once on his twitter as a “no way the Knicks would say no to that scenario”.

    He isn’t citing any sources or rumors.

  16. flossy

    If we end up swapping 30 year-old Melo, who would have left anyway, for 24 year-old James Harden, Phil Jackson will have earned a bronze statue outside MSG, or at the very least exec of the year.

    There is no freakin’ way that ever happens, though.

  17. EB

    You’re both morons. The Knicks don’t have a problem on offense, the problem is defense. TS% and USG are irrelevant in diagnosing that problem.

    Knicks offensive rating league ranks since Melo acquisition:
    7th, 17th, 3rd, 11th
    Knicks defensive rating league ranks since Melo acquisition:
    22nd, 5th, 18th, 24th

    Except for the year of Lin we have had one of the better offensive teams in the league and one of the worst defensive teams. Talking about usage vs. efficiency is like blaming the garnish for a bad meal when the meat was rotten.

  18. Zanzibar

    Why wouldn’t Phil just offer Bargs a 7m buyout? I believe that would reduce our salary by about 5m and move us closer to falling under the apron, thereby allowing 5m mle, 2m bae, and incoming S&Ts. Wouldn’t Bargs then head to Europe where he’d be happier and make up most, if not all, of that 5m? Not sure – am I right about the buyout’s effect on our cap? Also, would there be any restrictions on Bargs’ ability to play in Europe and the amount of money he could earn?

  19. massive

    I can just imagine Durant and Harden reuniting in New York and all of the “we both never really liked Westbrook” stories to come out shortly after.

  20. Farfa

    I didn’t say that a deal was possible. I said the rumor was getting steam. If Simmons tweets about it, it goes up 10% in chance. Obviously I think too that it won’t happen, but now is taking some serious sembiance.

    Anyway, seems we’re headed to the obligatory crappy Salmons draft day trade. This time is Toronto and Memphis.

  21. Zanzibar

    There is no freakin’ way that ever happens, though.

    If The King decrees it, it will happen. And by The King, I am referring to LBJ. If Bron decides he wants to go to Houston (and why wouldn’t he if his priority is to win chips?), he might prefer Melo to Harden and then the S&T would occur. Maybe LBJ would feel Melo is hungrier and more seasoned than Harden at this stage. Or maybe LBJ would prefer the company of his friend Melo. And Dwight Howard also likes Melo. If I were LBJ, Melo’s age would really bother me; LeBron would be signing up for 4 years and the younger Harden would seem a better bet. Of course, even if LBJ wants Melo in Houston, Melo could sign outright and then S&T happens where Harden ends up in Miami. Ugh.

  22. Eternal OptiKnist

    We wont be able to take anything back in a S&T unless we’re below $81MM when all is said and done (and yesterday’s trade could have been a step to getting there). The apron is going to be ultra important. I think we made a good trade yesterday; i think you guys are getting a bit carried away with Larkin and the draft picks, but i agree…good trade. The next 2 – 3 weeks are going to be so damn fascinating. Makes me so happy to see the NBA dominating the headlines year-round (at least while football isnt being played). We’ve really become a 12-month sport since Lebron and the decision..as much as folks all despise that, its made the offseason and free-agency a must-watch event.

  23. flossy

    If The King decrees it, it will happen. And by The King, I am referring to LBJ. If Bron decides he wants to go to Houston (and why wouldn’t he if his priority is to win chips?), he might prefer Melo to Harden and then the S&T would occur. Maybe LBJ would feel Melo is hungrier and more seasoned than Harden at this stage. Or maybe LBJ would prefer the company of his friend Melo. And Dwight Howard also likes Melo. If I were LBJ, Melo’s age would really bother me; LeBron would be signing up for 4 years and the younger Harden would seem a better bet. Of course, even if LBJ wants Melo in Houston, Melo could sign outright and then S&T happens where Harden ends up in Miami. Ugh.

    I understand the mechanics of how it could happen. I’m saying that it would be like winning the lottery–so far on the side of “too good to be true” that it’s hardly worth thinking about.

  24. Eternal OptiKnist

    i could reluctantly deal with houston becoming a super team (although i think LBJ stays in miami), but i think if they got JVG to coach it that would kill me.

  25. lavor postell

    They just gave McHale an extension and I think they’ve already had the JVG experience. I don’t think you need to worry too much about that.

  26. Z-man

    Jowles,
    I’m in total agreement that the Knicks have been a dumb basketball team run by a dumb coach. But that is on the front office and the coach for assembling the mix of players they put together, and the plays they run for them. But the answer was not simply: run more P&R with Chandler to get him more shots. It was: run more P&R to minimize isolation attempts and get more efficient shots overall. That’s neither on Chandler or Melo. If it were that easy, another team/coach would have done that; yet Chandler’s fga was actually higher with the Knicks than with Dallas, both in the regular season and in the playoffs.

    Let’s also keep in mind that they won 54 games with Melo shooting as much in iso as ever, and lost in the 2nd round primarily because Chandler got obliterated in every possible way by an opposing C who is hardly Hakeem Olajuwan. Melo played that entire series with a partially torn labrum in his shoulder. Were we outcoached? Definitely. That’s neither on Melo or Chandler. But getting vastly outplayed at his position falls squarly on Chandler’s shoulders.

  27. Eternal OptiKnist

    @ 29 Did JVG end acrimiously there? I thought it was more about player health.

  28. DRed

    Z-man, Tyson chandler getting worked by Hibberts made Melo and JR And Kidd shoot like shit and caused woody to not play Pablo more? That’s amazing. Good riddance to Tyson then

  29. lavor postell

    Idk but it doesn’t seem like JVG would be interested in a situation where he doesn’t have some input on personnel. I also don’t think Morey would go back to the well with JVG. I could be wrong but I think that ship has sailed.

  30. bidiong

    At this point the effect of Tyson Chandler on the team doesn’t matter. He wasn’t going to stay in New York after next year and we went out and got assets for him.

  31. EB

    Someone explain to me the Afflalo trade. I don’t understand Orlando’s reasoning there. I would have thought Afflalo could fetch more value.

  32. Z-man

    Melo and JR both played through serious injuries. JKidd, aka Mr. P&R, not only couldn’t shoot straight, he couldn’t get Chandler going. So, what’s your point?

  33. MSA

    Apparently Dolan and Woodson were not the only one overreacting to Hibbert’s performance against us last year.

    Here are his numbers from that series:

    TS%: .538
    Points p36: 12.8
    Rebounds p36: 9.92

    Better than his regular season numbers but not impressive at all

    If I were Hakeen I would be offended with this stats.

  34. DRed

    Melo and JR were hurt. Its not their fault they played badly. But they still played badly, and because woodson played them so much, that had a significant negative effect. Somehow or front office agreed that it wasn’t letting two injured guys take the most shots that was the problem, it was our need for a “stretch big”. And then fucking Bargnani.

  35. Zanzibar

    Melo and JR were hurt. Its not their fault they played badly. But they still played badly, and because woodson played them so much, that had a significant negative effect. Somehow or front office agreed that it wasn’t letting two injured guys take the most shots that was the problem, it was our need for a “stretch big”. And then fucking Bargnani.

    Why do you think Melo/JR “played badly”? Because they were reduced to being jump shooters guarded by capable defenders; there was zero spacing to allow them to attack the rim. Woodson should have tried Cope at the 5 and Amare at the 5. Didn’t the Hawks/Pacers series have any effect on your thinking? Regarding the off-season, Knicks should have acquired Jorts for vet min and then traded for Bargs without the first-round pick and the cash.

  36. iserp

    Someone explain to me the Afflalo trade. I don’t understand Orlando’s reasoning there. I would have thought Afflalo could fetch more value.

    I don’t understand it either. I guess they like Fournier as a project, but Afflalo was rumored to be traded for much more value. He is a veteran, but still is 28; i don’t think they are in such a hurry to trade him.

  37. Frank

    Derrick Rose doing some work for us!! (From ESPNChicago)

    Rose said if he were Anthony he would want the Bulls to execute a sign and trade deal to acquire him rather than a straight signing. The Knicks are the only team that can offer Anthony a five-year, $129 million contract. The Bulls, or any other team, can offer Anthony only a maximum four-year, $96 million contract.

    “In order for me to leave that kind of money on the table they better have Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Phil Jackson coaching with Pop and Red Auerbach as assistants,” Rose said.

  38. Farfa

    Someone explain to me the Afflalo trade. I don’t understand Orlando’s reasoning there. I would have thought Afflalo could fetch more value.

    Not much more probably. He’s essentially an expiring. I have to admit, though, that I found it strange too, especially since there are so many teams who could use a capable 2-guard.

  39. Z-man

    MSA you’re kidding, right?

    DRed, at least we can agree that Woodson sucks. Since Chandler and Woodson (and Felton) are gone, I guess we should move on.

  40. EB

    Okay I guess I can see some potential in Fournier if I squint, but it wasn’t all that long ago that Denver turned Afflalo into Iggy.

  41. Mr. Jowles, who commands your respect

    At this point the effect of Tyson Chandler on the team doesn’t matter. He wasn’t going to stay in New York after next year and we went out and got assets for him.

    It does matter when you’re talking about a culture of overvaluing shot creation and undervaluing efficient, low-volume scoring.

  42. BigBlueAL

    I think Phil Jackson knows what type of culture to cultivate that leads to winning.

  43. bidiong

    Nobody here arguing about it makes personnel decisions for the Knicks though. Secondarily, Jackson is trying to shape the roster to a new system. He may have felt Tyson would not be a good fit in the system so he offloaded him to get players he felt can and to get rid of our disaster of a point guard.

  44. Mr. Jowles, who commands your respect

    I think it was time for Chandler to go, and I like the trade. I could see his effectiveness diminishing very quickly over the next few years, and there was no chance he’d be re-signed after the season.

    But to say that he has been anything less than the best Knick over the last three seasons, despite the precipitous drop-off this most recent season, is total blasphemy.
    Ignorance, too.

  45. SJK

    Jowles you don’t agree that Chandler was pretty mediocre last year? Esp. w/r/t Dalembert’s production? Not talking about his first or second seasons in NY, but last year.

    He was not the same great player. At 31 y/o, Chandler’s best years are likely behind him.

  46. Zanzibar

    If Carmelo Anthony does decide to leave New York, the Knicks will have about $66.2 million in salary (including the non-guaranteed contracts of Lamar Odom, Shannon Brown and Jeremy Tyler) – slightly above the projected $63.2 million salary cap.

    This is interesting. Drop Odom/Brown/Tyler and that brings us to 61.5m. Drop Ellington/Dalembert and we’re down to about 58.5. Maybe someone takes Prigs for a second-round pick and we’re at 57m. Buyout Bargs and maybe 53m. We might be able to get 5m mle/2m bae/10m free cap if Melo walks (although not sure if we could keep mle/bae if we go under cap). That may be better than even a Chicago S&T! That would give Phil leverage in any Chicago S&T talks. Wouldn’t surprise me if he asks for Mirotic/Butler/3 picks (could include prigs/thj in trade).

  47. EB

    All the Knicks sucked that series except for Novak and Copeland and Woodson never played them.

  48. GoNyGoNYGo

    Jackson is trying to shape the roster to a new system. He may have felt Tyson would not be a good fit in the system so he offloaded him to get players he felt can and to get rid of our disaster of a point guard.

    Tyson is NOT a good fit for the triangle. The triangle offense calls for a big-bodied post-up center that can score some. See Shaq and Luc Longley. Chandler excels in the high pick-and-roll. I’m not saying anything disparaging about Chandler but he just wouldn’t fit.

  49. BigBlueAL

    Ken Berger just tweeted:

    NY has done homework on Baylor’s Cory Jefferson, leaving impression among rival execs they’ve targeted him with No. 34 acquired from Mavs.

  50. Farfa

    Come on Phil. Bring Mozgov home.

    You know what, Mozgov could really be a nice triangle center. Not a super passer, but he’s certainly on par with peak Bill Wennington.

  51. BigBlueAL

    Bill Wennington’s biggest shot of his career came with under a minute left in Game 4 vs the Knicks in 1996. Knicks were on the verge of actually tying the series at 2-2 until Wennington hit a corner jumper (off a Rodman assist of all things) to give the Bulls a 1-pt lead and eventually the win.

    I dunno what was more stunning, the fact that Knicks team was on the verge of going 2-2 vs the 72 win Bulls or that Bill freaking Wennington helped the Bulls win that game. Actually Wennington was the player who dunked the game-winning shot in MJ’s 55 pt game in his return to MSG in 1995 so I guess Wennington’s 2 biggest shots of his career came against the Knicks in MSG lol.

  52. SJK

    No thanks on Cory Jefferson or Patric Young…

    On another note, from Alex Kennedy:

    Knicks have told a few prospects that they are trying to get into the first round, so a number of players think they may be NY-bound in 1st.

  53. er

    But to say that he has been anything less than the best Knick over the last three seasons, despite the precipitous drop-off this most recent season, is total blasphemy.
    Ignorance, too.

    I dont understand how an opinion can be ignorant. You think what you think and rational people think what they think. lol so fucking condescending.

  54. CaptainB

    Was that the game at starks hit a game tying three with like 4 sec left that was called off because he traveled?

  55. Mars

    The suspense of this draft is killing me. I am doing everything to pass time. On another note though I love draft day trades. They are so spontaneous

    Oh yeah I almost forgot but I personally believe melo has been the best knick hands down, he gave consistent effort on a team he knew had no chance. We can’t say that for everyone else. Plus the added fact the some of the most exciting moments in yearsssssss happened here because of him

  56. GoNyGoNYGo

    @61 er

    I’m not a fan of Dalembert but he’s a serviceable stopgap.

    Does anyone here think that Bargnani is salvagable?

  57. JK47

    Let’s not forget that Tyson broke his effing leg this past year, and by the time he came back from that injury the team was a flaming shitpile.

    I also think it’s obvious that defensive-oriented players like T-1000 and Shumpert were kind of useless in Woodson’s harebrained defensive scheme. I swear Woodson could make a Gary Payton-LeBron James-Scottie Pippen-Dennis Rodman-Bill Russell team look like a bullshit defensive team.

  58. Farfa

    Honestly, I would like for Bargnani to be salvageable. I don’t think it’s possible, but Phil is a miracle worker. The problem with Bargs is his inability to play team defense.

  59. lavor postell

    Funny how Woodson’s scheme was good and dandy with Tyson when he was winning DPOY, being named to the Olympic team and being named an All-Star.

  60. JK47

    I guess my point is, it was asking a lot of the guy to come back from a broken leg and ask him to single-handedly fix a defense that was utterly broken. Sure, it would have been great for him to just get right out there and go into T-1000 beast mode circa 2012, but it didn’t happen. At least the guy still had trade value at the end of his contract, unlike the other stiffs around these parts.

  61. JK47

    The problem with Bargs is his inability to play team defense.

    I would go ahead and say that the problem with Bargs is that he is bad at every component of basketball. He’s good at generating hilarious GIFs, so there’s that.

  62. Owen

    Don’t we normally do a draft thread?

    Just saw Andrew Wiggins’ suit and hot damn that thing is ugly…..

  63. BigBlueAL

    New rumor on Twitter, Clippers looking to trade their 1st rd pick plus Barnes for Shump, Tony Allen or Gerald Green.

  64. BigBlueAL

    @63

    Yup, bobbled a handoff from Mase and was called for traveling right before he hit a 3pter that wouldve tied it with 1.3 secs left. Knicks were down double digits in the 4th and then Ewing just went off and they lead by 3 with just over a min left before back-to-back Bulls baskets gave them the lead back with Wennington being the game-winner. It was one of Jordan’s worst playoff games ever vs the Knicks, was in foul trouble in 2nd half and finished shooting 7 for 23 and only scored 2 pts in 4th (late ft’s to put them up 3). He did have 8 rebs and 8 asts though so it wasnt all bad from MJ lol.

  65. lavor postell

    I don’t see Phil trading Shump for fucking Barnes and No. 28 pick. I think he’d rather just keep Shump if that’s the best offer out there for him. No way they’re getting Green for that especially since the Suns are trying to trade one of their firsts this year for a future pick.

    On the Suns: I’m surprised they don’t make a big push to package some of their assets to move up in this draft and take Marcus Smart. For a team that plays with 2 point guard-ish players he seems like a perfect understudy and good insurance in case Bledsoe gets an offer they’re not comfortable matching this summer or if Dragic left next summer after opting out. Thoughts?

  66. lavor postell

    @69

    Yeah Tyson got dealt a shitty hand, but so did virtually everybody on the team. Him and Felton needed to go because they were both culprits in creating a terrible atmosphere around the team last year for various reasons.

    Tyson for blatantly mailing it in and regressing horribly on defense even considering his injuries. Him deciding to throw everybody under the bus as the season went on and attempting to absolve himself of any blame was also bullshit. Also the fact he can’t play a large minutes load anymore while sustaining his effort and his absurd illnesses that force him to miss like 5 games a year probably played a factor. He wanted a change in scenery and I think he’ll be good in Dallas though I don’t think 2011-12 Chandler is ever coming back.

    Felton needed to go for various reasons like waving his gun around, managing to get fat during the fucking season, shooting 39% from the field and 31% from 3 and being a horrible perimeter defender who would get caught on screens and always call for illogical switches leading to horrible mismatches that could be exploited all because he was too lazy and fat to get back to his man. Fuck Ray Felton.

  67. BigBlueAL

    Not gonna list them all because there are a bunch but anyone with Twitter Phil Jackson is having a press conference right now and many of the beat writers are tweeting his quotes.

  68. JK47

    I’m warming up to the acquisition of Wayne Ellington, who I like for several reasons:

    1. His nickname, which is “The Duke”
    2. He comes with a built in catchphrase when he hits a 3: “Make it Wayne”
    3. He can really shoot the 3-pointer: has a career .386 mark in a not-small sample size
    4. Has shown improved efficiency the last two seasons, posting not-bad TS% of .546 and .554
    5. Has a reputation as a good defender
    6. Contract expires after 2014-2015 season

    Seems like a perfectly good reserve 2-guard and solid under-the-radar player to me.

  69. JK47

    Matt Barnes’ contract runs through 2016, so that’s a big fat NO on him, even though I think he can still play a little.

  70. JK47

    Anybody feeling Spencer Dinwiddie? I’ve never seen him play, but his scouting report looks pretty good and he could be available with that high second round pick. Good size for a combo guard, can shoot the three, had an absurd TS% of .667his senior year.

  71. Ted Nelson

    Definitely exciting to have a couple of picks!!! Will be interesting to see what Jax and Fisher do with their first draft.

  72. yellowboy90

    Does anyone think the Lin trade rumor is Morey trying to get someone really interested? It just seem like the reporters are laying it on a little too thick.

  73. yellowboy90

    @ 82 I mentioned him the other day. I don’t know how many guards NY needs but he seems like a pretty good prospect at 34 to take. I think he got injured his senior year though so that could be why he is under the radar. I am not saying he is a taller C.J. McCollum but his junior he was on fire like C.J. was in his senior but then got hurt. Spencer gets to the line a lot. I wouldn’t mind him though.

  74. DRed

    The analysis for this draft is so fucking bad. Why would you draft a guy to play basketball when nobody can mention a basketball skill he’s good at?

  75. Mars

    Ok three things that are bothering me

    The NBA couldn’t think of anything better than the selfie thing ?

    That suit ?

    Boring mediocre analysis

  76. Z-man

    Ted, you’re back!
    Jowles, so now I’m ignorant and blasphemous? Drink bleach, you insufferable prick!

  77. Owen

    There you go. Hey, he’s long, got a great second leap, and can defend a little bit.

    “They don’t make athletes like this very often.”

    And his suit is amazeballs bad….

    I predict a bust

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