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Tuesday, November 21, 2017

The Basketball Gods Work in Mysterious Ways: The 2017 NBA Lottery Live Thread

As we await the results of the 2017 NBA Lottery at 8:30 PM Eastern (airing on ESPN), let’s take a quick look at the important odds for the Knicks.

The Knicks have a 5.3% chance of landing the #1 overall pick.

Odds for No. 2 overall pick: 6.0 percent

Odds for No. 3 overall pick: 7.0 percent

Odds for No. 7 overall pick: 57.2 percent

Odds for No. 8 overall pick: 22.6 percent

Odds for No. 9 overall pick: 1.8 percent

Odds for No. 10 overall pick: Just a smidge over 0.

So 18.3% chance at landing in the top 3 and 79.8% chance of being either the #6 or the #7 seed.

Let’s hope that the 18.3% chance wins out.

Let’s go, ping pong balls!

206 comments on “The Basketball Gods Work in Mysterious Ways: The 2017 NBA Lottery Live Thread

  1. djphan

    i’m not sure how we get another first rd’er but justin jackson isn’t all that great… if it’s just for koq then that’s fine… if we’re trading down that’s no good…

  2. thenoblefacehumper

    I know making predictions about pure chance is dumb, but there’s no way the Knicks don’t walk away with the 8th pick. Seen this play before. Book it.

  3. geo

    interesting article concerning the knicks combined ineptitude at playing basketball and getting good picks through the draft: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-knicks-cant-even-get-the-draft-lottery-right/?addata=espn:nba:index
    TL;DR summary:

    And that’s really the bigger problem. Most of the damage the Knicks have suffered was self-inflicted. In the 16 drafts since the infamous Ewing-to-Seattle deal in 2000, the team has worsened its own position eight times by either trading away the rights to its top pick or allowing another team to swap first-round spots.6 In five cases, the pick New York gave up became a lottery spot, including the pick the Bulls used to draft Aldridge in 2006. And even when the Knicks hang onto their first-round pick until draft night, they can still manage to lose it: In 2002, they drafted Nenê with a lottery pick, then traded him away that same night for Antonio McDyess, who delivered the Knicks 0.6 win shares over 18 games before being packaged for Stephon Marbury.

  4. ptmilo

    If the Knicks somehow haven’t shown up by #7 the time between then and when their spot is revealed will be more fun than any playoff game.

  5. Brian Cronin Post author

    It certainly would be good to see Clyde pull this one out, especially because, as we all know from that one banned poster, that Clyde is responsible for the Knicks being so terrible for so long.

  6. GoNyGoNyGo

    @3 – If I were a betting man, I would bet 8 … or 9th or 10th.

    @7 – Save me a seat!

    @9 – Depending on how much Daddy talks, we could get Ball with that #8 pick.

  7. thenoblefacehumper

    Depending on how much Daddy talks, we could get Ball with that #8 pick.

    LaVar could shoot somebody on 5th avenue and Lonzo still wouldn’t be anywhere near 8.

  8. Brian Cronin Post author

    Man, it is so funny that the Colangelos have already begun fucking up Hinkie’s plans by giving away Noel for nothing.

  9. Brian Cronin Post author

    Clyde’s like, “Huh? Yeah, of course it’s my lucky suit. What, are you stupid?” :)

  10. Brian Cronin Post author

    The other teams are, like, “Wait, we could bring super fans with us? What bullshit!”

  11. MSA

    This is our playoffs!

    Once every two years we can root for the Knicks to win something!

  12. GoNyGoNyGo

    Pink paisley lucky suit. Gotta love Clyde. He should be the permanent draft lottery representative no matter what. How many years in a row does he get to do if he is?

    @14 :)

  13. Z-man

    I feel like Jim Brown in The Dirty Dozen, right before he goes on his grenade run…

  14. DRed

    At least the Wolves didn’t move up, that really would have stuck in my fucking craw.

  15. Brian Cronin Post author

    At least the Wolves didn’t move up, that really would have stuck in my fucking craw.

    True.

  16. Philmelo

    Lakers aren’t that lucky. They committed to their tank and reaped its rewards.

  17. GoNyGoNyGo

    Worse is that two Atlantic teams are in the top 3. We fall further, and further behind.

  18. JK47

    The Wolves not moving up makes this a little less than a perfect Dolan’s Razor. Close though!

  19. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

    this is so fuckiing lame

    we';re destined to never ever catch a break

  20. Brian Cronin Post author

    So what 32-year-old can they get for the #8 pick? Preferably one with injury concerns.

  21. er

    Ha, the Kings got into the top three! Hilarious!

    Yeah that was crazy, why couldnt that be us. :(

  22. DRed

    8th is a bit scary, but it’s the NBA and I have a lot of faith that someone in front of us will do something dumb and we’ll have a shot at a pretty good prospect. Sucks that I can’t see Isaacs lasting to 8th, but if we can get Smith I’d be pretty satisfied.

    ps

    Fuck Boston

  23. thenoblefacehumper

    The fucking Kings caught a way bigger break than we did. We are now officially the biggest laughingstock in the NBA.

  24. Brian Cronin Post author

    I’m confused. Shouldn’t Sacramento be top 3. Not Boston, LA, Philly?

    Due to one of those trades that the Knicks weren’t interested in, the Sixers gained swap rights with the Kings.

  25. ClashFan

    Actually, aren’t the Nets the big losers here? Coulda had Fultz!

    I told Dolan to make up with Oakley. He didn’t listen…

  26. er

    I think we will end up with Fox, how funny would it be if Lonzo goes to the Lakers arch rival

  27. Z-man

    Of course the Celts get the first pick. Of course.

    Maybe instead of watching this, I should have just put my left testicle on a marble table and hit it with a hammer.

  28. d-mar

    Of course this is one of the years the worst team gets the #1 pick, because it’s fucking Boston.

    Worst possible lottery.

  29. Brian Cronin Post author

    The fucking Kings caught a way bigger break than we did. We are now officially the biggest laughingstock in the NBA.

    Yeah, things actually worked out pretty well for them.

  30. djphan

    the kings jumping in front of us was not good… they are almost definitely taking a pg…. that was one of the teams that we needed in order to have a shot at fox or smith…

  31. vincoug

    Due to one of those trades that the Knicks weren’t interested in, the Sixers gained swap rights with the Kings.

    That’s why I’m so confused. It’s ok, I totally preferred having Afflalo to having a top 3 pick.

  32. MSA

    Let’s try to look at the bright side. At least it looks like we are gonna be safe from Monk and Tatum.

  33. latke

    Fuck the Lakers man… That’s how I feel. The Lakers basically ran their team like the Knicks under Isiah from 11/12 through like 13/14. They’ve had incredible good fortune throughout their franchise’s history. If there’s one team that deserves to finally get screwed, it’s them, but of course not.

    Feel the same way about the Kings to a lesser extent. They’re basically Knicks west.

  34. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

    we’re getting either Frank or Monk, with a small chance of Isaac.

    But really I’m about 90% sure we’re picking Frank unless he dogs it in workouts.

  35. stratomatic

    So what 32-year-old can they get for the #8 pick? Preferably one with injury concerns.

    They may give up a future 1st round pick (2019?) plus the 8th pick this year to move up and get the player they want if they have someone specific in mind.

  36. Brian Cronin Post author

    So the Kings were slotted at #8 and #10 (Pells) and the 8 moved to 3 correct?

    No, they were slotted for #8 and #10 and moved up to #5 and #10, since the Sixers got the Kings’ #3 pick.

  37. TheOakmanCometh

    In the most PG heavy draft in modern times, we might not get a PG. Classic.

  38. ClashFan

    The plan now’s gotta be to trade for Rubio and draft Frank or the best wing available?

  39. Brian Cronin Post author

    The plan now’s gotta be to trade for Rubio and draft Frank or the best wing available?

    Trade what, exactly?

  40. er

    No, they were slotted for #8 and #10 and moved up to #5 and #10, since the Sixers got the Kings’ #3 pick.

    Yeah thats what i meant. That 3 pick was the Kings original pick, then the Sixers swapped their original 5 pick

  41. Brian Cronin Post author

    Ball/Russell is an interesting backcourt. Or they could try to deal Russell, I guess.

  42. TheOakmanCometh

    It is just AMAZING how Knicks fans can’t catch a break. Not once. Ever. The stink is fucking bone deep.

  43. ess-dog

    That’s a weird one. So does Boston just go bpa or try a trade for Jimmy Butler? What they need is a dominant center.

  44. Philmelo

    OK I see it playing like this

    1- Fultz
    2- Ball
    3- Fox
    4- Jackson
    5- Monk
    6 – Smith
    7- Isaac

  45. thenoblefacehumper

    I will NEVER be able to talk myself into Malik Monk when the pick is inevitably made. He is so obviously not going to be an impact player.

    Anyway, hope the anti-tank brigade is taking solace in all those awesome wins!

  46. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

    sacto is picking fox, tatums going to orlando, and Isaac or monk is getting picked up by Minnesota

    Fox wont go below 7 im sure.

  47. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

    We’re getting a terrific young basketball player and I’m very thankful. We’re on our way to greatness just as sure as the Celtics suck. Have faith.

  48. Philmelo

    I am happy picking Ntilikina. I just wish we could have been in a better position with more options to do so.

  49. er

    If i was boston , i would trade Jalen Brown + whatever remaining Brooklyn picks for Butler

  50. nicos

    With the Sixers picking third Monk will fall to us so now I’ve got a month to convince myself that that won’t be a disaster. I actually don’t think Monk will be a total bust just underwhelming for a high pick in a pretty deep draft.

  51. thenoblefacehumper

    Fultz
    Ball
    Jackson
    Fox
    Isaac
    Smith
    Ntilikina

    It’s perfectly conceivable that all those guys could be off the board by the time we pick. We are so getting Malik Monk and sucking forever.

  52. Philmelo

    @106

    Monk is a perfect fit for what they need, an off the ball shooting guard who can pair up nicely with Simmons. But I think #3 is way too high to choose him and believe the Sixers will concur.

  53. d-mar

    The only question left is whether the #7 pick turns into the next Steph Curry or Kawhi Leonard.

  54. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

    Did anyone see the tenacious relentless defense by Ntilikina in the 4th quarter of his last game? We need that badly.

  55. djphan

    i think it’s looking like:

    1. celtics – fultz
    2. lakers – ball
    3. sixers – jackson/tatum/fox
    4. suns – jackson/tatum
    5. sacramento – fox /smith
    6. magic – isaac/smith/monk/collins
    7. twolves – isaac/?

    we might still have a shot at smith… not even sure if he’s on our radar… but there’s just no way fox falls…

  56. stratomatic

    The plan now’s gotta be to trade for Rubio and draft Frank or the best wing available?

    We have nothing to trade to Minny that they would be interested in anymore . That’s why it was such a blunder to not close on that trade IF it was actually available. Rose is no longer an asset. He is a free agent that anyone can sign.

    What we have instead of Rubio/Rose is cap space (which is also an asset). But I think it’s very unlikely we can get a PG as good as Rubio for what Rubio makes. In fact, I don’t think we can afford anyone that’s actually any good and keep all our own players that we want to keep.

  57. nicos

    I’d actually prefer Monk to Tatum- really hoping Orlando or Phoenix takes Tatum just so Phil isn’t tempted by the prospect of Melo-lite.

  58. stratomatic

    Did anyone see the tenacious relentless defense by Ntilikina in the 4th quarter of his last game? We need that badly.

    I wish I had seen him play a few full games. His stats are not particularly impressive and the little I have seen has been the kind of Youtube videos you can’t trust to be a balanced presentation. But I rarely hear or read anything bad. I take that as a good sign.

  59. DRed

    Fultz isn’t that great of a prospect, and he’s probably 3 years away from being good even if he works out. Smith would be a very good value with the 8th pick-we just really need someone to take Monk

  60. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

    We can now trade down a few slots and still get Frank plus another asset. Think of the possibilities.

  61. nicos

    The Ringer write-up said Frank had a long way to go before he could play the point- loose handle, trouble getting to the rim, and worst- an inaccurate passer. At this point assuming Isaac doesn’t fall to 8 I guess I’d go with Smith and hope his knee doesn’t blow up.

  62. er

    Smith would be a very good value with the 8th pick

    Ah shit forgot about him. Im on board

  63. thenoblefacehumper

    Fultz isn’t that great of a prospect, and he’s probably 3 years away from being good even if he works out. Smith would be a very good value with the 8th pick-we just really need someone to take Monk

    There’s only one team as dumb as the New York Knicks and it’s the New York Knicks

  64. Philmelo

    Frank is not a traditional ball dominant PG, which is fine since our system doesn’t require one.

  65. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

    I also wouldn’t be surprised if we selected OG or Zach Collins. OG is compared to Kawhi frequently and we could use his toughness and defense..

  66. stratomatic

    We can now trade down a few slots and still get Frank plus another asset. Think of the possibilities.

    Assuming Frank is actually a primary target, we’d have to be certain he is available at our new slot. At a minimum, someone else we are also targeting has to be available. For example, let’s say we have Justin Jackson ranked as high Frank. We could probably move down a little and be sure we’d get one of them and be happy. Then anything else we get would be a free roll.

  67. thenoblefacehumper

    Frank is not a traditional ball dominant PG, which is fine since our system doesn’t require one.

    “Our system” is going to exist for two more seasons.

  68. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

    Tankathon now has us taking D’Aaron Fox and DraftExpress has us taking Dennis Smith Jr. Not every team needs a guard.

  69. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

    If Isaac is available, you draft him. Otherwise, just flip a coin to choose between Frank and DSJr.
    We should also seriously consider Zach Collins imo.

    If we draft Collins we should just trade KP or Billy tbqh.

  70. Philmelo

    “Our system” is going to exist for two more seasons.

    By then Ntilikina could have evolved into a 2 guard.

  71. yellowboy90

    I’m sorry but if Justin Jackson is ranked as high as Frank then I do not want Frank

  72. stratomatic

    Smith’s knees might be a red flag, but torn ACLs don’t recur as often as people think and many young players recover 100%. Assuming Smith is 100% now, I suspect the risk that his injury recurs or that it is a sign of future knee problems is lower than our fears. If he’s an all star prospect and he falls to us because of his prior knee injury I think it’s a risk worth taking unless someone of almost equal quality is available. Then the knee would be a good tiebreaker. I simply don’t know how good he is.

  73. DRed

    Yeah I’d be super high on Smith without his acl tear. He would have probably gone 2nd or 3rd last year.

  74. stratomatic

    I’m sorry but if Justin Jackson is ranked as high as Frank then I do not want Frank

    Fair enough.

    I was just using him as an example because he has also been mentioned as someone NY is interested in. It could be anyone ranked below Frank on draft boards that we have ranked as his equal.

  75. d-mar

    Optimistic take: 2 years ago we were all pissed that we got the 4th instead of the 3rd pick, and instead of taking Okafor (which Phil definitely would have) we got Zinger.

    Maybe this year the 7th pick ends up being a bust and the 8th pick turns into a star.

    Nah….never mind…..

  76. nicos

    “Our system” is going to exist for two more seasons.

    By then Ntilikina could have evolved into a 2 guard.

    Right now Ntilikina is a two guard- that’s where he plays in France. Maybe he has more upside as a two than Monk, I don’t know. And the Knicks just need to take the BPA regardless of position. Maybe that’s Frank given his defensive potential but I wouldn’t count on him developing into a true point if he can’t get into the lane and is an inaccurate passer.

  77. DRed

    Fultz allegedly doesn’t play any defense would you take him? Smith isn’t the best prospect in the draft, but his boxscore stats are good (his RSB is better than Fox’s, for example), and at the 8 spot he’d be perfectly fine.

  78. Philmelo

    Fultz allegedly doesn’t play any defense would you take him?

    Fultz is a way better prospect.

  79. DRed

    Stephon Marbury with the 8th pick in the draft isn’t that bad, especially if he’s not fucking insane. Y’all got to be realistic.

  80. KnickfaninNJ

    Honestly, now I’m thinking we have to tank again next season. The thought is depressing.

  81. dtrickey

    Phil Jackson: “Seven could have been 10. So eight, we’ll live with.”

    At least Phil is looking on the bright side ha ha ha……

  82. yellowboy90

    I think Smith Jr will be better than Fox and wouldn’t mind him. He reminds me of a bigger more athletic Lowry. Lowry was a better defender coming out but Smith has similar potential if he takes to coaching. Also, Lowry tore his ACL before his freshman year too.

  83. GoNyGoNyGo

    @128 – Tankathon is wrong. I think Fox will go very early (4-5?)

    The Knicks are picking between Monk, Smith or Ntilikina.

  84. Philmelo

    After a full season of Derrick Rose you would think people here would want to avoid another inefficient scoring, ball dominant PG with an injury history who doesn’t play defense. But here we are with a bunch of guys intent on history repeating itself.

  85. stratomatic

    Phil Jackson: “Seven could have been 10. So eight, we’ll live with.”

    Phil is either the calmest, least emotional, and most even keeled guy around or he is constantly high. #nevermind

  86. nicos

    Smith is Marbury 2.0.

    Marbury had five .130+ WS seasons and made a couple of all-star teams- that’s a not a bad return for an eighth pick.

  87. Brian Cronin Post author

    Honestly, now I’m thinking we have to tank again next season. The thought is depressing.

    The more depressing thing is that they do “have” to tank again next season but they possibly won’t.

  88. MSA

    Come on guys, it’s the 8th pick.

    We should be focusing on getting a good player, not a franchise one.

    I’m not a Smith’s fan but with the 8th pick seems reasonable.

  89. stratomatic

    After a full season of Derrick Rose you would think people here would want to avoid another inefficient scoring, ball dominant PG with an injury history who doesn’t play defense. But here we are with a bunch of guys intent on history repeating itself.

    This gets back to the point I was making.

    The history of ACL injuries for young players is not that bad, but because of the very high profile experience with Rose (a worst case scenario) the fear out there because of his prior injury could be creating good value relative to the actual probabilities.

    Now if you tell me he stinks, that’s another story. :-)

  90. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

    Smith isn’t inefficient–he had a 56 TS% on high volume at NC State and shoots 36% from 3 on 5 attempts per 40. He’s going to be a solid offensive player, and he’s not nearly as me-first as Rose.

    That being said: his defense. is. atrocious. And I dont know if I can emotionally take more subpar defense from the 1 position. That’s not entirely rational especially if he’s BPA, but I really, really, really can’t overstate how much I want to see competent defense from the PG position.

  91. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

    We moved down one slot so all is lost!

    Were you people all born with silver spoons in your mouths?

  92. GoNyGoNyGo

    @122

    There’s only one team as dumb as the New York Knicks and it’s the New York Knicks

    Brooklyn Nets.
    They had a worse night than the Knicks – by far.

  93. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

    Pick one of Isaac, Frank, or DSJr. and tank to high heaven for Doncic or Porter and we can still rebuild this team.

    Please make it happen, Phil.

  94. yellowboy90

    Comparing Smith Jr to Rose is like comparing Fox to Jennings. Smith is a better passer and shooter coming in than Rose was. Honestly if Smith would have went to UK he would probably be a top 3 pick.

  95. DRed

    Smith was a more efficient scorer than Fultz or Fox, right?

    I’d be fine with Frank, I’d love Isaacs, but Smith is roughly the same caliber of prospect. It’s the 8th pick, we’re not drafting a Lebron caliber prospect

  96. Zanzibar

    Phil is either the calmest, least emotional, and most even keeled guy around or he is constantly high.

    I just looked it up: there’s such a thing as a Zen Monk. I’m terrified a high Phil on draft night might choose Monk because of that.

    Marbury had five .130+ WS seasons and made a couple of all-star teams- that’s a not a bad return for an eighth pick.

    We should have put Marbury eating some petroleum jelly up there tonight instead of Clyde. Could it really have worked out that much worse?

  97. ess-dog

    Not a great sign when your coach is fired mid-season, but they could do worse than Smith. I just think we’ll go big for some reason.

  98. nicos

    Player A TS% 563 TRB% 7.3 AST% 34.2 STL % 3.1 TOV% 17.3 USG% 27.2
    Player B TS% 552 TRB% 6.6 AST% 41.0 STL % 3.0 TOV% 21.4 USG% 28.4

    Which is the guy some folks want no part of and which is the one some people still wish was here?

  99. stratomatic

    Can we get another decent 1st round pick for Courtney Lee and somehow add Justin Jackson to Frank?

    I’d sign off on KP, WH, JJ, FN and whoever we get for Melo.

  100. Jack Bauer

    The fix is in for the Lakers AGAIN. Fuck me having to hear it from my Laker Homer friends.
    The fix is in against the Knicks AGAIN.
    This franchise never gets a break, they are cursed and we are idiots for thinking it will ever be different.

  101. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

    We shouldn’t go all Hinkie and trade all of our wily vets. They’re necessary to instill good habits and to provide structure to the yutes.
    Just trade Melo.

  102. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

    I’d instantly sign off on a starting 5 youth movement of DSJr/Frank, Sindarius Thornwell, JJ/OG,KP, and Willy

    this would just require Phil to be savvy for once in his multi year GM tenure.

  103. djphan

    smith has some bad habits… but the mental side of the game can come with maturity…. i usually don’t like saying this… but the guy is 19…. it’s not a foregone conclusion that he will be mentally the same in the nba as he is now…

    what doesn’t come later is talent… and he has it…. at #8 you can’t be too picky… you pick him and ask questions later….

  104. stratomatic

    Can we get another decent 1st round pick for Courtney Lee

    No.

    I guess I should break out the bourbon and drink myself to sleep.

  105. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

    what team do we think is most willing to deal a mid-to-late first? Portland?

  106. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

    I like Smith better than Fox. Stronger, better shooter, better distributor. His defense can be good as he gets a lot of steals and has good lateral movement. Fox is going to get pushed around a lot.

  107. nicos

    Nicos, answers please lol

    The answer to #164
    Player A: Dennis Smith Jr.
    Player B: Jeremy Lin during his Linsanity season.

    My question with Smith is does he have enough lateral movement post ACL surgery to be a decent defender? Shump never got back to what he showed his rookie season. Rose is a statue and Westbrook has either lost something or has completely stopped trying. The offensive numbers Smith put up are pretty good especially coming off ACL surgery. He did average 2.2 steals per 40 so he at least gets in the passing lanes. If he shows he can still move his feet then he seems like a very solid pick at 8. He’s got no glaring weaknesses (at least on offense) and is probably the best athlete among the guards in the draft so there’s upside too. I’m hoping Fox or Isaac falls but I think Smith is right there with Frank or Monk even with the knee issues.

  108. Accidentank 2017

    It’ll be between Dennis Smith Jr and Frank Ntilikina for sure at this point. And you know? At pick #6 or 7 it probably would have been the same thing.

    It REALLLY sucks that we have to get roasted by Markelle Fultz for the next 12 years but if Dennis Smith Jr or Frank Ntilikina turns into a player, we’ll very likely be happy with the outcome of this draft. Even after Mo N’Dour is out of the league.

    Here’s a breakdown of Dennis Smith Jr’s defense. When motivated he’s a stud:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo9dJhdqm5c

  109. djphan

    harry giles is an example of a player who came back too early and probably wasn’t healthy…. smith put up quality numbers… he’s fine…

  110. TheOakmanCometh

    Fultz, Ball, Fox, Jackson, and Tatum are all basically guaranteed to be gone. That leaves at least one of Smith, Frank, and Isaac available. If a team ahead of us takes Monk, that leaves two. If a miracle happens and a team takes Markannen, that leaves all three.

  111. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

    @186 Why no Frank? Our perimeter defense killed us last year and he would help immensely. Plus he’s a great young shooter who doesn’t turn the ball over. His defense is refreshingly tenacious.

  112. ess-dog

    Maybe we can trade down for 2 of Portland’s picks and grab Giles/Abudayo and Diallo. Then get Frank Jackson/Williams-Goss in the 2nd. Gotta restock the cupboard.

  113. 2FOR18

    Fucking unreal. This is Steph Curry / Jordan Hill all over again because this shitty team can’t execute a proper tank.

    I’m thinking Tatum plays Hill in this remake.

  114. Z-man

    In Gaines we trust. I would draft the best player available, regardless of position. It could wind up being Isaac or Collins.

    As to guards, I think Frank has bust written all over him. But if Gaines likes him, I’ll defer to his judgment. I think Smith is the guy, though.

    Not a Monk fan. Unsure on Markkanen.

  115. 2FOR18

    I wouldn’t put much stock into anything you read at the Ringer. It’s not really a sports site, and it’s full of millenial writers who take 1000 words trying to make a point without offending anyone while making the appropriate social signals. Grantland was trending that way but still had some quality sports analysis.

  116. dtrickey

    Looks like a few early mocks have us taking Frank at 8 and Smith going 9 to Dallas interestingly enough.

    I saw one mock that had us taking Frank Mason III from Kansas at 44 and Davon Reed from Miami at 58. Does anyone have any intel on them? I can’t say I have ever heard their names pop up before.

  117. geehee

    It’s Smith or Ntilikina realistically for us. I’ve been changing my mind between? the two. What’s Frank’s percentage to be a bust?

  118. nicos

    I think you have to consider Frank a two at this point- for the record both the Ringer and DX had the same list of weaknesses for Frank (my guess is the Ringer guys just used the DX scouting report). He does have as much defensive potential as anybody in the draft though. The question is do you want to spend that pick on a guy who may wind up as a three and d wing (albeit with nice playmaking ability for a two) or do you want someone who projects to be a pure point guard. I’m hoping DX updates their scouting report on Frank because the present stuff is based on the under 18 competition last summer rather than his play this season. Really hoping someone takes a flyer on Collins or Markkanen before us so we’d have a shot at Isaac.

  119. geehee

    The 8th pick in past NBA drafts:
    2016 – Marquese Chriss
    2015 – Stanley Johnson
    2014 – Nik Stauskas
    2013 – KCP
    2012 – Terrence Ross
    2011 – Brandon Knight
    2010 – Al Faruq Aminu
    2009 – Jordan Hill
    2008 – Joe Alexander

    Not good.

  120. Accidentank 2017

    Dennis Smith Jr probably has the highest floor of anybody in this draft. It’s hard to look at him and see a guy who won’t be valuable at the next level. He plays the game like a more explosive (and taller) version of Isaiah Thomas. The only issue I have with him is that damn knee and the way he lands after his jumps. He’s a complete player and would definitely be top 3 in this draft if he didn’t tear his ACL as a senior. I’d be very happy with him and I’d also tweet him every day to make sure he takes care of those knees.

    Frank N’Tank is the lottery’s least known commodity but he’s a high IQ player with long arms, so at the very least you’re getting Tony Allen with a jumper. Also, in New York where Kurt Rambis yells at players for seeking out guidance, it’s hard to imagine an environment where he reaches his full potential considering how far off he is from being an impact point guard. It’s also a lock that Frank Ntilikina won’t start on an NBA team until his 3rd year. If Frank turns into a taller and better shooting version of Dennis Schroder you’ve got one hell of a player, and I think that’s his ceiling.

    I’d be very pleased with either guy, but I probably lean towards Ntilikina because his knees don’t concern me and he can guard either spot.

  121. Cock Jowles, A Proven Scorer Who Is Worth All of His Max Contract

    Phil Jackson should commit seppuku for fucking this franchise as much as he has

    Fuck Phil Jackson

  122. Donnie Walsh

    Fuck the Lakers man… That’s how I feel. The Lakers basically ran their team like the Knicks under Isiah from 11/12 through like 13/14. They’ve had incredible good fortune throughout their franchise’s history. If there’s one team that deserves to finally get screwed, it’s them, but of course not.

    Maybe there is such thing as bball karma, and Buss had it while Dolan doesn’t. The Lakers have been lucky, but they’ve also been very good at both knowing when to hold ’em and knowing when to fold ’em. I’m curious to see how quickly they can get back on top from this run of #2 picks that they’re on.

  123. KnickfaninNJ

    I wouldn’t put much stock into anything you read at the Ringer. It’s not really a sports site, and it’s full of millenial writers who take 1000 words trying to make a point without offending anyone while making the appropriate social signals. Grantland was trending that way but still had some quality sports analysis.

    Not only that, but Bill Simmons himself has no clue how to be a GM. His proposed trades are always unreasonable and not any different from what some typical fan would want. Of course, this is part of his charm as a writer, but even if you enjoy listening to him it shouldn’t be with the expectation of cogent trade or draft analysis

  124. KnickfaninNJ

    One of the many depressing aspects of this draft lottery is that it shows just how long a period of good management it takes to get something nice in the draft and really rebuild. The Lakers hve been bad for three years, they are not out of the woods yet, and if they do get out of the woods, it will probably be partially because they were lucky.

    The Celtics did great and it’s because of a trade in 2013, four years ago. If we want good Knicks management, maybe we should be happy if Phil gets 2020 and 2022 and 2024 first round picks for Melo. But I don’t think anyone is going to trade unprotected first round picks any more.

    I’m kind of in favor of drafting Ntikilina, because I think he’s best shot at an impact player, and his time line might match our actual timeline for being competitive. but I worry he’ll just be another Exum, rather than another Bryant.

  125. english_knick

    some of the mocks have sac getting Fox and Isaac. Sounds pretty good right now…

  126. english_knick

    The optimist in me says monk and Tatum are still gone at 8, and so we’re picking from frank, Isaac and smith. I’d be fine with that in the circumstances.

    But Philly moving up makes it WAY more likely monk is still there… he was the perfect pick for them at 5 but at 3? Too much of a reach…

  127. Z-man

    Smith is Isaiah Thomas-like, but let’s not forget how unique Thomas is as a scorer. If Smith is not as efficient as Isaiah, he’s probably just a so-so NBA player.

    I’d be fine going BPA with a big if that’s what scouting reveals. No matter who we draft, we’re not gonna be good next year.

  128. Brian Cronin Post author

    Smith is Isaiah Thomas-like, but let’s not forget how unique Thomas is as a scorer. If Smith is not as efficient as Isaiah, he’s probably just a so-so NBA player.

    Yeah, pretty much.

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