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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 17:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This took a little math but FWIW re: Landry Fields:

Pre-2011 All-star break (54 games) = TS 62%, 7.8 reb/36
Post-2011 All-star break (38 games) = TS 51.4%, 5 reb/36.

We are rapidly approaching the point at which his pre-All-star game #s start to look a little bit like an outlier, especially considering very few analysts (for what THAT&#039;S worth) thought he was capable of it.

I think Bill Walker should be getting most of Landry&#039;s minutes.  He&#039;s also a very good rebounder for the guard position, plays better man-to-man defense than Landry, and has 3 years in the league with 58+ TS. Sure he&#039;s a low-basketball-IQ guy, but all we want out of the 2 guard spot in this offense is the ability to hit the 3 and to not be a total sieve on defense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This took a little math but FWIW re: Landry Fields:</p>
<p>Pre-2011 All-star break (54 games) = TS 62%, 7.8 reb/36<br />
Post-2011 All-star break (38 games) = TS 51.4%, 5 reb/36.</p>
<p>We are rapidly approaching the point at which his pre-All-star game #s start to look a little bit like an outlier, especially considering very few analysts (for what THAT&#8217;S worth) thought he was capable of it.</p>
<p>I think Bill Walker should be getting most of Landry&#8217;s minutes.  He&#8217;s also a very good rebounder for the guard position, plays better man-to-man defense than Landry, and has 3 years in the league with 58+ TS. Sure he&#8217;s a low-basketball-IQ guy, but all we want out of the 2 guard spot in this offense is the ability to hit the 3 and to not be a total sieve on defense.</p>
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		<title>By: Caleb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caleb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 16:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some small-ish corrections on Landry&#039;s rookie season. 

Mike Miller had a slightly better rebound rate, but Landry was a close 2nd and played more than twice as many minutes. 

He shot 39.3 percent on 3s. 

His TS% was 59.8, 6th among 2-guards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some small-ish corrections on Landry&#8217;s rookie season. </p>
<p>Mike Miller had a slightly better rebound rate, but Landry was a close 2nd and played more than twice as many minutes. </p>
<p>He shot 39.3 percent on 3s. </p>
<p>His TS% was 59.8, 6th among 2-guards.</p>
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		<title>By: Caleb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caleb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 16:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-353276&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-353276&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;daJudge&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: 
Robert, what do you think Landry does well (or at least average) as a starting two?Both ends and not citing first half of last year.After that, same question with Landry as a three.Same question with Douglass at the one.I like both guys, but I have a serious problem answering that question.


&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Last year even with the late year slump, Landry led all NBA 2-guards in rebounding, hit 40 percent of his 3s and had a TS% over 60. 

He might never match that, but he could do a lot worse and still be a solid player. 

I do think he fits better as a 3, given his size and lack of quickness. 

He might not be a 35 minutes a night guy when all is said and done, but I expect him to be a pretty valuable piece wherever he lands.]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-353276" rel="nofollow">daJudge</a></strong>:<br />
Robert, what do you think Landry does well (or at least average) as a starting two?Both ends and not citing first half of last year.After that, same question with Landry as a three.Same question with Douglass at the one.I like both guys, but I have a serious problem answering that question.</p>
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<p>Last year even with the late year slump, Landry led all NBA 2-guards in rebounding, hit 40 percent of his 3s and had a TS% over 60. </p>
<p>He might never match that, but he could do a lot worse and still be a solid player. </p>
<p>I do think he fits better as a 3, given his size and lack of quickness. </p>
<p>He might not be a 35 minutes a night guy when all is said and done, but I expect him to be a pretty valuable piece wherever he lands.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisk06811</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 15:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Jim.  Your stuff is always great, and I usually totally agree, but I don&#039;t have time to read it right now. So, I guess what I want to say is:  SHUMP SHUMP]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jim.  Your stuff is always great, and I usually totally agree, but I don&#8217;t have time to read it right now. So, I guess what I want to say is:  SHUMP SHUMP</p>
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		<title>By: latke</title>
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		<dc:creator>latke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 07:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-353288&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-353288&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;iserp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: If i could have a word with the current team members, i would ask them not to think in winning now, but try to make the right play. Melo isos are perhaps the most efficient play the team is capable to do right now, but if we start involving all the team, we can do better. So i would ask Melo to forget about winning now (even if that means going out of the playoffs) but to grow a team culture, to win later, when it matters most.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is the kind of stuff that coaches talk about all the time, but few walk the walk. Phil Jackson is the best example of a guy who followed through on his talk. My favorite part about Jackson was his patience. When the bench players struggled, he wouldn&#039;t take them out and sometimes wouldn&#039;t even call time outs as long as they were making good plays. Missed shots, if they were good ones, were never an issue. 

D&#039;Antoni is very different in this respect in that he has a propensity for playing his starters heavy minutes (lacking trust in bench players) and throwing guys in the doghouse for small mistakes. It&#039;s one of my biggest problems with MDA. It&#039;s a long season, and to be a contender, not only will the Knicks have to have Amare and Chandler healthy and rested (which they have no chance of being if they continue to play the minutes they&#039;re playing), but you have to have key guys from the bench who are prepared to contribute. If those guys don&#039;t get minutes -- if MDA pulls them whenever they struggle -- they&#039;re not going to develop. Sure, they may not develop anyway, but at least if you give them a chance, even if the knicks lose more games as a result, you have a chance of having the depth to compete for a title.]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-353288" rel="nofollow">iserp</a></strong>: If i could have a word with the current team members, i would ask them not to think in winning now, but try to make the right play. Melo isos are perhaps the most efficient play the team is capable to do right now, but if we start involving all the team, we can do better. So i would ask Melo to forget about winning now (even if that means going out of the playoffs) but to grow a team culture, to win later, when it matters most.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is the kind of stuff that coaches talk about all the time, but few walk the walk. Phil Jackson is the best example of a guy who followed through on his talk. My favorite part about Jackson was his patience. When the bench players struggled, he wouldn&#8217;t take them out and sometimes wouldn&#8217;t even call time outs as long as they were making good plays. Missed shots, if they were good ones, were never an issue. </p>
<p>D&#8217;Antoni is very different in this respect in that he has a propensity for playing his starters heavy minutes (lacking trust in bench players) and throwing guys in the doghouse for small mistakes. It&#8217;s one of my biggest problems with MDA. It&#8217;s a long season, and to be a contender, not only will the Knicks have to have Amare and Chandler healthy and rested (which they have no chance of being if they continue to play the minutes they&#8217;re playing), but you have to have key guys from the bench who are prepared to contribute. If those guys don&#8217;t get minutes &#8212; if MDA pulls them whenever they struggle &#8212; they&#8217;re not going to develop. Sure, they may not develop anyway, but at least if you give them a chance, even if the knicks lose more games as a result, you have a chance of having the depth to compete for a title.</p>
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		<title>By: KRS1</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 06:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting article, a lil lengthy to say the least and all just to say that the knicks have no fire in their belly.  I came across comments where the idea of melo and amare not on the floor at the same time, i think and believe will be the most effective. Of course you leave them in at the end of games out of general principle but you need to have a defensive unit around both of those guys while they pour in buckets.  This team in my opinion cant keep their head coach,  one, because what made him look like a genius was the fact he had steve nash to be a constant source of offensive influx , amare as well, and was always the highest scoring team in the league  well at least one of them, while shawn marion was a defensive stud and multiple role players kept them advancing constantly in the playoffs. I guess i&#039;m saying the only way this team will be able to compete with teams in the playoffs is if they all of a sudden gain steve nash rights. which isnt too far fetched but hey anything can happen. This coach needs a player like nash to run this team and set up players like melo, amare and chandler. Nash aint outta gas just yet
  I hope knick fans realize that by the time baron davis will be effective will be playoff time and might make a splash. BD is legit when it comes to playoff hunger but until then this team will never know how to play defense because their coach has no idea how to teach it. I dont even think larry brown could save this team but haha actually jeff van gundy doesnt seem like a terrible idea either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article, a lil lengthy to say the least and all just to say that the knicks have no fire in their belly.  I came across comments where the idea of melo and amare not on the floor at the same time, i think and believe will be the most effective. Of course you leave them in at the end of games out of general principle but you need to have a defensive unit around both of those guys while they pour in buckets.  This team in my opinion cant keep their head coach,  one, because what made him look like a genius was the fact he had steve nash to be a constant source of offensive influx , amare as well, and was always the highest scoring team in the league  well at least one of them, while shawn marion was a defensive stud and multiple role players kept them advancing constantly in the playoffs. I guess i&#8217;m saying the only way this team will be able to compete with teams in the playoffs is if they all of a sudden gain steve nash rights. which isnt too far fetched but hey anything can happen. This coach needs a player like nash to run this team and set up players like melo, amare and chandler. Nash aint outta gas just yet<br />
  I hope knick fans realize that by the time baron davis will be effective will be playoff time and might make a splash. BD is legit when it comes to playoff hunger but until then this team will never know how to play defense because their coach has no idea how to teach it. I dont even think larry brown could save this team but haha actually jeff van gundy doesnt seem like a terrible idea either.</p>
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		<title>By: iserp</title>
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		<dc:creator>iserp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 06:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No one is in Atletico right now, xD, however...

Carmelo should be Aguero, because he is really good, the team depends on him, and when the team loses, all the blame goes to him.

Torres should be Gallinari. He was there when he was very young, he did really well, but in the end he departed to go to a better team (although he ultimately failed)

PS: I hope Torres comes back to his old self... but he&#039;s had a bad streak of injuries and i am not sure he&#039;s gonna recover...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one is in Atletico right now, xD, however&#8230;</p>
<p>Carmelo should be Aguero, because he is really good, the team depends on him, and when the team loses, all the blame goes to him.</p>
<p>Torres should be Gallinari. He was there when he was very young, he did really well, but in the end he departed to go to a better team (although he ultimately failed)</p>
<p>PS: I hope Torres comes back to his old self&#8230; but he&#8217;s had a bad streak of injuries and i am not sure he&#8217;s gonna recover&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: iserp</title>
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		<dc:creator>iserp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 06:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And perhaps i shouldn&#039;t write in English, because i am not a native speaker, and i am drunk right now.... but give me another 3 or 4 years and i will write as Churchill spoke to his troops..., but just for knicks fans ... when we are about to win a championship, and nobody cares because everyone is damn happy, ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And perhaps i shouldn&#8217;t write in English, because i am not a native speaker, and i am drunk right now&#8230;. but give me another 3 or 4 years and i will write as Churchill spoke to his troops&#8230;, but just for knicks fans &#8230; when we are about to win a championship, and nobody cares because everyone is damn happy, ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: BigBlueAL</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 06:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who are the Knick equivalents of Fernando Torres and Sergio Aguero??  lol]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who are the Knick equivalents of Fernando Torres and Sergio Aguero??  lol</p>
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		<title>By: iserp</title>
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		<dc:creator>iserp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 06:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In that sense, i really admire Dallas Mavericks. They&#039;ve been playing with Dirk Nowitzki (13 years veteran), Jason Kidd (3 years veteran), JJ Barea (5 years veteran) and Jason Terry (7 years veteran)... and you could call Shawn Marion, Caron Butler and Tyson Chandler newcomers (which aren&#039;t exactly rookies). Don&#039;t forget that Rick Carlisle was with that team since 2008, too.

The fact is that great teams have been built from a great core adding some pieces and letting every one in the team to come together. We have 4 good years from Carmelo, Amare and Tyson... don&#039;t start chopping heads already! In the next 4 years, some are going to be good, and some are going to be bad. Amare and Melo are good enogh to figure it out given enough time... not in 6 games, and perhaps not in 66. We have to find some backcourt starting players, and some frontcourt depth... it will come; and this condensed schedule is some of the worst for an upcoming team with little depth. I ask for patience... and patience means one or two years. The core is built, and it is a good core; with some luck, we will have a good stretch towards the end of the year, if everyone is healthy (big if), and Davis can give some good PG minutes (bigger if); but if not, i wouldn&#039;t worry.

If i could have a word with the current team members, i would ask them not to think in winning now, but try to make the right play. Melo isos are perhaps the most efficient play the team is capable to do right now, but if we start involving all the team, we can do better. So i would ask Melo to forget about winning now (even if that means going out of the playoffs) but to grow a team culture, to win later, when it matters most.

But that&#039;s 2 or 3 years away, and i am not sure Knicks fans (or perhaps Dolan) are ready to wait that much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In that sense, i really admire Dallas Mavericks. They&#8217;ve been playing with Dirk Nowitzki (13 years veteran), Jason Kidd (3 years veteran), JJ Barea (5 years veteran) and Jason Terry (7 years veteran)&#8230; and you could call Shawn Marion, Caron Butler and Tyson Chandler newcomers (which aren&#8217;t exactly rookies). Don&#8217;t forget that Rick Carlisle was with that team since 2008, too.</p>
<p>The fact is that great teams have been built from a great core adding some pieces and letting every one in the team to come together. We have 4 good years from Carmelo, Amare and Tyson&#8230; don&#8217;t start chopping heads already! In the next 4 years, some are going to be good, and some are going to be bad. Amare and Melo are good enogh to figure it out given enough time&#8230; not in 6 games, and perhaps not in 66. We have to find some backcourt starting players, and some frontcourt depth&#8230; it will come; and this condensed schedule is some of the worst for an upcoming team with little depth. I ask for patience&#8230; and patience means one or two years. The core is built, and it is a good core; with some luck, we will have a good stretch towards the end of the year, if everyone is healthy (big if), and Davis can give some good PG minutes (bigger if); but if not, i wouldn&#8217;t worry.</p>
<p>If i could have a word with the current team members, i would ask them not to think in winning now, but try to make the right play. Melo isos are perhaps the most efficient play the team is capable to do right now, but if we start involving all the team, we can do better. So i would ask Melo to forget about winning now (even if that means going out of the playoffs) but to grow a team culture, to win later, when it matters most.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s 2 or 3 years away, and i am not sure Knicks fans (or perhaps Dolan) are ready to wait that much.</p>
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