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Sunday, November 23, 2014

Some Plays Count: Knicks Collapse vs Celtics

Thought I’d go over a critical time of the Knicks-Celtics game and try to understand what caused such a bitter defeat. Midway though the fourth quarter, Chauncey Billups just completed a 4 point play to put New York up by 9. The Knicks appeared to be poised for victory, but in less than 3 minutes, the Celtics would regain the lead. How did such a collapse occur?

07:14 Anthony Foul : Shooting (5 PF)
07:14 Pierce Free Throw 2 of 2 (14 PTS)
[BOS 75-82]

The Celtics clear out for a Paul Pierce isolation on Carmelo Anthony. Turiaf is at the top of the key, and when Ronny turns his head away from the play Pierce makes his move towards the hoop. Carmelo is a step slow and fouls Pierce for two free throws. Ironically this is exactly the kind of play Anthony excels at on offense.

06:53 Fields Jump Shot: Missed
06:52 Davis Rebound (Off:2 Def:7)

Billups gets the ball to Amar’e who tries to drive in the paint, but is surrounded by Celtics. He sends the ball to Fields on the far side. Fields and Amar’e run a pick & roll. Landry gets the ball to the free throw line, spins, and attempts an ugly jump shot in the middle of the paint. It’s not an ideal shot for the Knicks.

06:46 Pierce 3pt Shot: Made (17 PTS)
[BOS 78-82]

Pierce dribbles up the floor and calmly sinks a three pointer.

06:45 Team Timeout : Regular
06:26 Anthony Jump Shot: Missed
06:25 Allen Rebound (Off:2 Def:4)

Mike D’Antoni has been criticized for not being able to draw up plays after timeouts, and this is a good example. Billups passes the ball to Carmelo on the wing, and Turiaf attempts to run a pick & roll. ‘Melo lets Turaif roll to the basket with nary a look and it’s isolation time. However Pierce knocks the ball out of bounds for an in-bounds play.

At this point you have to wonder what the Knicks coaching staff was thinking. I can understand if you want to get the ball to Anthony, but run something with a little more creativity than just a iso-clear out. You can have that on just about any possession.

During the in-bounds play, Anthony shoves Pierce and gets free. Billups gets him the ball in the corner, but Garnett leaves Amar’e to take ‘Melo. Pierce and Big Baby both cover Stoudemire, leaving Turiaf wide open at the foul line. Anthony holds the ball pondering the works of Bukowski, then takes two dribbles and puts up a contested shot against Garnett. Knick announcer Mike Breen says “that’s not a good shot.”

06:09 Allen 3pt Shot: Missed
06:09 Team Rebound 06:09
05:53 Pierce Jump Shot: Made (19 PTS)
[BOS 80-82]

Rondo tries to thread the ball to Big Baby in the paint, but Amar’e comes off his man and tips the ball. Turiaf and Davis both try to retrieve the ball, but Baby comes up with it. In the confusion Ray Allen is open in the corner, and Davis hits him with the pass. Allen misses the shot, and three Knicks are there to rebound it. Unfortunately the ball takes a healthy bounce and Stoudemire tries to track it down. Rondo speeds over into the corner and knocks the ball out on STAT.

On that series the Celtics both got lucky (Davis coming up with the ball) and made their own luck (Rondo hustling to save the possession). The Knicks take ‘Melo off of Pierce due to his foul trouble. The Celtics go to Pierce in an isolation again, and he gets dribble separation from Landry Fields for an easy jumper.

05:38 Stoudemire Jump Shot: Missed
05:36 Allen Rebound (Off:2 Def:5)

I certainly wouldn’t call this a jump shot. Amar’e goes baseline and is met by three Celtics. Stoudemire goes for the dunk, but can’t get to the rim. He lobbies for the foul call while the Celtics spring up court…

05:32 Garnett Alley Oop Layup shot: Made (22 PTS) Assist: Rondo (11 AST)
[BOS 82-82]

… and in 4 seconds Rondo delivers an alley-oop to Garnett to tie the game.

05:12 Fields Layup Shot: Missed
05:11 Fields Rebound (Off:2 Def:4)
05:07 Anthony 3pt Shot: Missed
05:05 Pierce Rebound (Off:0 Def:5)

The Celtics double team Billups at the top of the key, who gets the ball into Landry Fields’ hands. The Knick rookie has a mismatch on Davis, but can’t take advantage. He puts up a poor layup (the ball goes backwards), which takes such an odd angle that it seems to catch everyone by surprise. In the confusion, Fields gets the ball back and finds Carmelo Anthony for an open three. But ‘Melo misses and…

05:01 Allen Driving Reverse Layup Shot: Made (11 PTS) Assist: Pierce (1 AST)
[BOS 84-82]

… all the other Knicks are on the baseline, which means no one is back on defense. By the time the Celtics grab the rebound, Fields is standing next to Carmelo, who is still in the same spot from his missed attempt. Both Ray Allen and Rondo have slipped passed the Knicks (think soccer offsides), and the Celtics throw the ball up-court for an easy layup.

Conclusion:

Although the Knicks did tie the game again, this critical moment illustrates some of the problems this team is going to have this year. Two of the three problems I noted yesterday came to light in these series. First the Knicks lacked that swingman stopper and were unable to prevent Paul Pierce from scoring down the stretch. Carmelo Anthony and Landry Fields were both unable to make him uncomfortable and force him into a more difficult or less efficient shot. Second the Knicks needed a big man that could make the defense pay from the perimeter. Turiaf was open a number of times, but the Knicks chose not to get him the ball due to his lack of an outside game. Additionally having a more tenacious rebounder chase down the missed Allen shot would have saved a possession.

Most importantly, this team is not constructed to compliment the strengths and weaknesses of Stoudemire and Anthony. Not to beat a dead horse, but rather to illustrate the roster problems New York is facing, had the Knicks had Chandler and Gallinari instead of Carmelo & Turiaf they would have been better suited in these possessions. For instance instead of forcing an over-matched Landry Fields to guard Pierce, Gallo and Chandler could have taken turns. And the latter pair would have been more suited for the task. Additionally, the Celtics could not have left either Chandler or Gallo open like they did with Turiaf.

Again the Knicks have a roster problem, and not one of chemistry. If New York is going to fill their team with scorers who have questionable defensive habits, they need defenders to fill the other spots. Asking Landry Fields to guard Paul Pierce in a critical possession isn’t ideal. If on offense they’re going to go to isolation with their two stars, they need guys that will make them pay for double teams. Having Turiaf on the perimeter in the SSOL works because the ball travels around so much he can use his passing skills to find an open man.
But trying to run isolation with the Celtics playing 5 on 4 due to Turiaf isn’t what the team had in mind back in July.

101 comments on “Some Plays Count: Knicks Collapse vs Celtics

  1. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Awesome. If only ESPN would allow their readers direct access to this kind of analysis…

  2. Jim Cavan

    Nice breakdown, Mike. It looked so bad while it was happening, you wondered how it was all possible. But there really were more than a dozen chances to at least keep them at bay, and we just couldn’t.

  3. Robert Silverman

    I always enjoy literary references to go with unpalatable 4th quarter collapses.

    But I gotta correct you, Mike. Carmelo Anthony was clearly contemplating haikus of the Japanese poet Issa, and not Bukowski. To wit:

    Climb Mount Fuji,
    O snail,
    but slowly, slowly!

  4. misterma

    Great post. I think it illustrates that the Knicks’ two superstars don’t really have a winning mindset, what with Carmelo falling back into isolation mode too often, and Amare arguing calls rather than getting back on defense.

    Can we stop mentioning Gallo? It makes me too sad.

  5. cgreene

    One of the elements that you left out of this was the fact that Melo had picked up his 5th foul with about 7 mins left in the game. He had been doing an adequate job on Pierce for most of the game before Pierce went off in the 4th Q. If you watch the tape you will notice that MDA switched the defensive assignments at that point and put Fields on Pierce who Pierce handled much more easily. That’s why Fields was guarding Pierce there. Melo’s strength had actually bothered PP in the post all game and MDA would have had Melo on Pierce at that point were it not for the fouls.

    Also, and this is what is starting to really annoy me about postings like this on this blog and the fact that Mike has seemed to really lose the usual objective nature of his commentary, is that the old Knicks lost to these very Celtics during the Knicks best stretch of the season in a very similar way in December. I was at that game. Someone should check back and see what our lead was at certain pts in the 4th Q. So please stop telling me about Wilson and Gallo’s defensive versatility (I am a fan of Gallo’s D btw) when if both those players were on the floor at the same time it would have caused bigger mismatch problems at the 4 and 5 positions because we were so small. And the same exact thing happened when those players were on the floor!!!!!

    I agree with Mike’s general premise that this is a flawed roster not a chemistry problem. But didn’t we all know that going in? Didn’t we realize this wasn’t a finished product? And the goal was basically still to try and have a competitive 1st rd out. With Billups contract and Turiaf’s contract and Landry as an asset and a mid 1st pick there are plenty of assets to make the appropriate moves to improve the roster structure over time. This seems to be getting left off the discussion a lot.

    Yes. We are flawed, frustrated and playing poorly. No we are not locked into this exact team for the future. Just 2 players.

  6. Owen

    Great collection of Knicks links over at True Hoop today in the Tuesday Bullets.

    Great stuff from NBAPlaybook showing their lack of effort.

    And the Celtics blogger’s assessment was pretty sobering, if unsurprising…

    “The Knicks are probably less dangerous to the Celtics now than they were back in December when the two teams engaged in this game, a candidate for best of the regular season. Anthony’s a terrific scorer but he’s also an all-world ballstopper, which means he and D’Antoni (not to mention Stoudamire) are going to have their share of struggles as they fit these pieces together. This year’s Knicks and Heat teams continue to remind us how special that 2007-08 Celtics team truly was.”

  7. rayhed

    can someone explain what has happened to landry since the trade…. he seems totally lost- are his numbers down? whats going on there…

  8. New Guy

    @6 – I agree with Mike’s general premise that this is a flawed roster not a chemistry problem. But didn’t we all know that going in? Didn’t we realize this wasn’t a finished product?

    Do you mean going into the game, or the season? Because going into the season I’d say we had an unfinished roster with the flexibility to finish it. I don’t know what we have now, other than a vehicle for Dolan to increase ticket prices with. And the mainstream media is telling everyone it’s chemistry and/or Mike D’Antoni. Very few outlets are making the points being made here, points that I think are crucial to understand in order to judge what’s going on.

    Speaking of wing defenders, by the way, tell me again why Corey Brewer couldn’t get minutes on this team?

  9. BigBlueAL

    Yeah Gallo and Chandler really locked up Pierce the last time the Celtics were at MSG. He only scored 32 points on 10 for 18 from the field and 10 for 10 from the FT line. Also he had 10 rebs and 4 asts.

  10. New Guy

    Owen:
    And the Celtics blogger’s assessment was pretty sobering, if unsurprising…“The Knicks are probably less dangerous to the Celtics now than they were back in December when the two teams engaged in this game, a candidate for best of the regular season. Anthony’s a terrific scorer but he’s also an all-world ballstopper, which means he and D’Antoni (not to mention Stoudamire) are going to have their share of struggles as they fit these pieces together. This year’s Knicks and Heat teams continue to remind us how special that 2007-08 Celtics team truly was.”  

    I would tell that Celtic blogger that this year’s Heat team reminds us how much better the competition in the NBA has gotten since that 07-08 Celtics team.

    Could this year’s Heat team knock off an 8 seed (in under 7 games)? Yes.

    Could this year’s Heat team, with current LeBron knock off a Cavs team featuring young LeBron (assume we can have both…just do it!) and a bunch of scrubs? Um, yes.

    Could this year’s Heat team knock off a dilapitaded Pistons team on it’s last legs? I think so.

    And the only challenge, could this year’s Heat team knock off a Kobe-led Lakers team that still hadn’t matured? I don’t know.

    But come on. I’m more impressed with what the Celtics have done this season and last than that ridiculous one-off they had in 07-08.

  11. d-mar

    BigBlueAL: Oh and he also hit the game-winner that night too if you all forgot.  

    Thank you BBA, I think this idea that we used to have lockdown wing defenders is a bit off base. I do wish Azibuke had been healthy, I really think he would have been a perfect fit with this roster at both ends.

  12. BigBlueAL

    d-mar:
    Thank you BBA, I think this idea that we used to have lockdown wing defenders is a bit off base. I do wish Azibuke had been healthy, I really think he would have been a perfect fit with this roster at both ends.  

    Did you hear about Buke?? He tweeted that he needs to have another surgery on the same knee because the original surgery in 2009 was done wrong. Sucks for him, I wish him luck though.

  13. New Guy

    You seem to implying that Pierce hit that jumper over Gallo or Chandler, but he hit it over Amar’e. And the reason he hit it over Amar’e is that Rivers drew up a well-designed play to get Pierce free of Gallo or Chandler.

    Do you think Doc would’ve felt compelled to devise a similar play last night to get Pierce away from anyone on our roster?

    I don’t think anyone called Chandler and Gallo lockdown defenders. Just underrated defenders who were better than what he have now.

  14. flossy

    Yeah… as BigBlueAl pointed out, I’m not sure Gallo or Wil would have done that much better a job than Melo.

    Oddly enough for someone so maligned for his defense, Melo was doing a decent enough job on Pierce. The problem is that he picked up so many stupid fouls over the course of the game that he eventually had to be switched off of Pierce in favor of Landry, who got torched. No less than three of Melo’s fouls were completely unnecessary touch fouls or just fouls of frustration. Not only did that mean he had to be taken out in the first quarter when he was really rolling, he had to relinquish his defensive assignment in the fourth quarter at the worst possible time.

  15. BigBlueAL

    New Guy: You seem to implying that Pierce hit that jumper over Gallo or Chandler, but he hit it over Amar’e.And the reason he hit it over Amar’e is that Rivers drew up a well-designed play to get Pierce free of Gallo or Chandler.Do you think Doc would’ve felt compelled to devise a similar play last night to get Pierce away from anyone on our roster?I don’t think anyone called Chandler and Gallo lockdown defenders.Just underrated defenders who were better than what he have now.  

    Did you not see the earlier comment when I noted his stats for that game, 32 points on 18 FGA?? Pierce will score all day on Gallo, Chandler, Melo and especially Fields who is probably the worst perimeter defender of the 4.

  16. BigBlueAL

    flossy: Yeah… as BigBlueAl pointed out, I’m not sure Gallo or Wil would have done that much better a job than Melo.Oddly enough for someone so maligned for his defense, Melo was doing a decent enough job on Pierce.The problem is that he picked up so many stupid fouls over the course of the game that he eventually had to be switched off of Pierce in favor of Landry, who got torched.No less than three of Melo’s fouls were completely unnecessary touch fouls or just fouls of frustration.Not only did that mean he had to be taken out in the first quarter when he was really rolling, he had to relinquish his defensive assignment in the fourth quarter at the worst possible time.  

    There is no need to speculate if Gallo or Chandler would or wouldnt have done better defending Pierce, we know for a fact that Pierce torched them earlier in the season.

    Fact is Pierce has torched every Knick who has defended him throughout his career.

  17. Garson

    alot of walk before the Melo trade was that he worked well in the olympics under Dantoni… in a non ballstopping, posting up kind of way..

    Im curious to see how he played during that stretch and see if we can translate that to our current situation.

  18. Mike Kurylo Post author

    Robert Silverman: I always enjoy literary references to go with unpalatable 4th quarter collapses.
    But I gotta correct you, Mike. Carmelo Anthony was clearly contemplatinghaikus of the Japanese poet Issa, and not Bukowski. To wit:
    Climb Mount Fuji,
    O snail,
    but slowly, slowly!  

    Josh darn it, I’m going to reference Bukowski every chance I get.

    And Issa? Please! If ‘Melo was thinking about any Japanese haiku master, it was Matsuo Bash?.

  19. knickterp

    Mike, thanks for the great analysis. I’m thankful for this site. Not sure when it happened during the collapse, but the play that drove me nuts was Rondo’s fake pass then layup under the basket against Fields and Stoudamire. Why didn’t Landry press him against the baseline under the basket? Instead, he bit for the half-hearted fake and looked absolutely lost.
    Which is sort of why this game provides ammo for both camps, I guess. Yes, the new-look Knicks lost (so, obviously, Melo is tremendously overrated as many advanced stats would prove) but, conversely, Landry (laughably ranked near Wade and Durant by some metrics, right?) looked like an utter d-leaguer in the 4th.
    Continue to believe we’ll be fine. Have to–they’re my team.

  20. Mike Kurylo Post author

    cgreene: ne of the elements that you left out of this was the fact that Melo had picked up his 5th foul with about 7 mins left in the game.

    “The Knicks take ‘Melo off of Pierce due to his foul trouble.”

    Granted, my grammar is poor (‘his’ actually seems to refer to Pierce, not ‘Melo), but I think I did mention it.

  21. BigBlueAL

    knickterp: Mike, thanks for the great analysis.I’m thankful for this site.Not sure when it happened during the collapse, but the play that drove me nuts was Rondo’s fake pass then layup under the basket against Fields and Stoudamire.Why didn’t Landry press him against the baseline under the basket?Instead, he bit for the half-hearted fake and looked absolutely lost.
    Which is sort of why this game provides ammo for both camps, I guess.Yes, the new-look Knicks lost (so, obviously, Melo is tremendously overrated as many advanced stats would prove) but, conversely, Landry (laughably ranked near Wade and Durant by some metrics, right?) looked like an utter d-leaguer in the 4th.
    Continue to believe we’ll be fine.Have to–they’re my team.  

    I think on that play Allen was in the corner and Fields was caught in between which was understandable. But one thing that has been blatantly obvious since the trade is how poor a defender Fields is right now. Fields is a really smart kid/player though so I would hope/assume that part of his game will improve over time because its not due to a lack of effort on defense from his part.

  22. Mike Kurylo Post author

    BigBlueAL: Did you not see the earlier comment when I noted his stats for that game, 32 points on 18 FGA?? Pierce will score all day on Gallo, Chandler, Melo and especially Fields who is probably the worst perimeter defender of the 4.

    Paul Pierce is a very good player. He’s going to have good scoring nights often. But it doesn’t mean that having a better defender on him won’t help. It may not help every game, but over the course of time having a better defender on him will help. (Pierce had 25 pts on 20 shots earlier this year, which is much better than last night’s 21 pts on 13 shots).

    And no need for anyone to build a strawman. I never implied that Gallo and Chandler were lockdown defenders. Actually my point was pretty much confirmed by BBA – anyone other than Landry Fields should have been defending him. And that’s the problem with how the roster is currently constructed.

  23. nicos

    Nice breakdown, Mike. I also thought the end of the third was key where Jeffries gift-wrapped 5 points for the C’s in the last 26 seconds and gave them a ton of momentum going into the 4th. It was the Knicks fourth game in five nights as well so I think that may have factored into the Knicks inability to match the Celtics’ intensity late in the game.
    And the more I watch the more I think Chandler is the guy we really miss- there’s no comparison between he and Gallo on d- they might have been close in terms of man defense but Chandler was also the Knicks primary help defender whereas Gallo’s help defense was pretty much non-existent. Chandler basically provided the Jeffries role (with Blocks substituted for charges drawn) without being a total zero on the offensive end. Gallo was better than average on the ball and below average everywhere else on D- which is more or less how I’d describe Melo on D (though I’d probably scale back the above average to average) so I don’t see a whole lot of difference there. Melo played Pierce fairly well until he picked up his fifth foul.

  24. Jim Cavan

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/columns/story?columnist=smith_stephen&id=6246952

    I really need to stop reading this guy. Usually you can tell when someone like Smith or Broussard are just pulling stuff out of their asses, but I get pretty alarmed when I hear “a Celtic close with some of the Knicks” start suggesting a mutiny brewing. My first thought, obviously, was that it’s KG — we all know that guy is evil enough to plant a rumor like that.

    Obviously Smith is mostly covering his bases for being one of the loudest proponents of the trade. But are things really getting that fractious? Somebody please calm me down.

  25. Ben R

    cgreene: Yes. We are flawed, frustrated and playing poorly. No we are not locked into this exact team for the future. Just 2 players.

    Those two players are making over 2/3 of the salary cap moving forward, and with Billups and the rest of our contracts we’re not making any major changes to this roster this summer. If the MLE is abolished, I really hope it is, then we are making no moves at all this summer except in the draft unless we decline Billups option which I don’t think is happening.

    So this team is basically the team we will have next year and then in 2012 we will have probably about $10 million to spend, assuming we keep Douglas, Fields and our 2011 pick, and we will have a huge hole at the 5 and a huge hole at the 1 unless Douglas really develops.

    For better or worse Melo, Amare, Fields is most likely our core moving forward. The bench players and role players should improve but most likely Melo, Amare and Fields will be our best 3 players for the foreseeable future. Maybe that’s enough maybe it’s not but I doubt it is changing anytime soon, so I think Mike is spot on looking at the team we have and not the team we think we might be able to build in a year or two.

  26. TDM

    Great analysis Mike.

    I was at the game last night and one thing I noticed about STAT is that when he thinks he’s been fouled on a play, he has a tendency to hang back too long to complain to the refs. Meanwhile, the other team runs a fast break with 5 on 4. I’ve seen other guys who think they have been fouled run back on D, and then after the play is over, he will go to the ref and air his concerns on the non-call.

    You gotta love a guy like Ray Allen. The guy needs stitches above his eye, but goes back on the floor because he just wants to play. After playing for another 5 minutes or so, the refs had to send him back to the sidelines because he was bleeding on the floor.

    Q4 points in the paint: Boston 16, NY 0

    But Donnie doesn’t think we need to add a big.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/3513/turiaf-starts-vs-boston-earl-barron-available-again

  27. BigBlueAL

    Mike Kurylo:
    Paul Pierce is a very good player. He’s going to have good scoring nights often. But it doesn’t mean that having a better defender on him won’t help. It may not help every game, but over the course of time having a better defender on him will help. (Pierce had 25 pts on 20 shots earlier this year, which is much better than last night’s 21 pts on 13 shots).And no need for anyone to build a strawman. I never implied that Gallo and Chandler were lockdown defenders. Actually my point was pretty much confirmed by BBA – anyone other than Landry Fields should have been defending him. And that’s the problem with how the roster is currently constructed.  

    To be fair, I did later state that Pierce has torched every Knick to have ever guarded him in his entire career :-)

  28. max fisher-cohen

    correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t it too late to add players for the playoffs? So we could sign Barron, but he wouldn’t be able to play come postseason?

  29. cgreene

    Ben R:
    Those two players are making over 2/3 of the salary cap moving forward, and with Billups and the rest of our contracts we’re not making any major changes to this roster this summer. If the MLE is abolished, I really hope it is, then we are making no moves at all this summer except in the draft unless we decline Billups option which I don’t think is happening.So this team is basically the team we will have next year and then in 2012 we will have probably about $10 million to spend, assuming we keep Douglas, Fields and our 2011 pick, and we will have a huge hole at the 5 and a huge hole at the 1 unless Douglas really develops.For better or worse Melo, Amare, Fields is most likely our core moving forward. The bench players and role players should improve but most likely Melo, Amare and Fields will be our best 3 players for the foreseeable future. Maybe that’s enough maybe it’s not but I doubt it is changing anytime soon, so I think Mike is spot on looking at the team we have and not the team we think we might be able to build in a year or two.  

    Actually we don’t know what the cap or even salary structure is going to be. To say you want the MLE to go away is short sighted for a fan of a big market team. It would be better for the league if the flex cap and MLE stay in some scenario so capped teams can maneuver a little bit. Yes we are tied to Melo and Amare for now. But to say that this is the way it’s going to be next year or even for the next five years is not accurate. Sometimes Kwame Brown becomes Pau Gasol. There are assets in the fold that if used creatively can help the team get better. I think DW believes that and has a plan. Let’s hope he’s here to execute it.

  30. KnickfaninNJ

    I agree with cgreene, Melo worked on defense and it was being in foul trouble that made him give up defending Paul Peirce. His effort on defense got him a banged head too. It’s no shame to lose a tight game to Boston, they did what Miami can also do, which is really crack down on defense when they have to and stop us cold. We weren’t able to overcome that before the trade or after. So by this game, we are similar to before in quality and maybe slightly better. But it’s all the previous losses to much weaker teams that I think make us all worry.

  31. StevenU

    I think it’s notable that 2 of Melos 5 fouls were completely stupid, avoidable frustration fouls, so let’s not make it seem as if the fould trouble just happened to him or was the result of bad calls. His foul trouble was a direct result of those two fouls (his second and his 5th, I believe).
    It’s well past time for D’antoni to have a serious discussion with both Melo and Amare about playing through whatever is or is not called. It seems like every game they both have at least one or two instances of pouting and griping rather than getting back on D and staying physically and mentally in the game.

  32. Ben R

    cgreene – You’re right we could move Amare or Melo and make other moves but I just don’t see that happening. As for our assets we don’t have much left. We do have Fields and Douglas but I think both of their value on the court trumps their value in trades and other than that we have Billups expiring next year and that’s about it. If we can get great value for Billups contract then that could be a real chance to improve but it’s hardly a sure thing.

    As for the MLE I do agree that it would be much better for the Knicks and the big market teams to have the MLE but I would rather have a healthy NBA than a good Knicks team. When designing a CBA you need to do it with the Memphis’s and OKC’s in mind more than the Boston’s and NY’s. The big market teams will be fine no matter what the salary cap looks like so you need to make sure you cut as many big market advantages as possible out of the CBA without being silly about it. I think we will keep a soft cap but if you’re over the cap there needs to be real consequences so teams will hesitate alot more before spending wildly.

  33. Z

    Mike Kurylo:
    anyone other than Landry Fields should have been defending him. And that’s the problem with how the roster is currently constructed.  

    I didn’t see this game, but Fields has played some good wing D at times this year. (He held Kobe quiet for the first half in LA.) He’s well sized, athletic, and smart. Does it make sense that he is a bad defender, or in this case is it more of a team problem?

  34. StevenU

    @Jim C-Stephen A is a barely a journalist, and he is such a blowhard. As you point out-he was a huge proponent of the trade-the Knicks “HAD” to do it, he repeatedly ranted. “It’s a no brainer” he also said.
    I am not Dantoni fan (AT ALL) but now Stephen A is simply looking to transfer blame to him since the trade we “had” to make isn’t working out so well. It couldn’t be that all of us morons who thought it was a stupid, overpriced, lateral move at best, are right after all. Could it???

  35. cgreene

    Ben R – I wasn’t even really talking about trading Melo or Amare. I would hate to trade Amare under any circumstances. Melo remains to be seen. I was saying there are many unknown variables related to the new CBA and the fact that we have a few more assets than people are mentioning that if used creatively can fill holes like the 5, depth, PG etc. (Granted those are a lotta holes (-:)

    Now you mentioned OKC as a team that needs the benefit of a new cap?? I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt as a bad example. But they are exactly the example of a team the needs the MLE to get to championship caliber and would probably be in favor of it as well as the ability to resign their own players under Bird rules and RFA rules. Those things absolutely benefit OKC at their point.

    Either way what most likely will be true in the CBA is one of two things. First, the structure will be similar to today with a soft cap, lower max salaries and shorter contracts and a lower MLE or none OR a harder cap with much more flexibility on player signings similar to the NFL where you can cut anyone and only a % of that year’s salary hits the cap and then you’re out from under it. That gives teams much more flex than they even have today. It will also lead to much more player movement. In that case though the cap will probably be higher annually not lower. Either way there will be some flexibility for the Knicks.

    Bottom line is that we suck right now. We will probably be better in 2 weeks and even better than that next year… so long, of course, that that guy who is coaching a Fla college team is far far away. Championships require Kwame for Gasol, drafting Michael Jordan or Tim Duncan or having your best friend sell you Garnett at 10 cents on the dollar i.e. luck.

  36. KnickfaninNJ

    Z: I didn’t see this game, but Fields has played some good wing D at times this year. (He held Kobe quiet for the first half in LA.) He’s well sized, athletic, and smart. Does it make sense that he is a bad defender, or in this case is it more of a team problem?  (Quote)

    I didn’t see all the game, but I did see the end where he was defending Peirce. It looked like sometimes the team defense broke down and then he had a dilemma on whom to defend. He had a vedry tough defensive assignment too and sometimes he got faked out by Rondo or Peirce. He was trying and I think he and the team can do better with more practice together.

  37. max fisher-cohen

    cgreene, while OKC might need the MLE in order to get the roster to win a championship, I don’t think that they have the financial resources to ever be able to afford to spend the MLE. Perhaps if other teams are not allowed to use the MLE and to make crazy sign and trades to rebuild their roster despite being way over the cap (looking at you, Mark Cuban), then OKC would be a championship contender with the roster they have right now.

    It would also be beneficial because it would prevent teams from doing what the Knicks did during most of this past decade. Once you get over the cap, you can get into a cycle of trading expirings for whatever other overpaid star another team is looking to get rid of, and the more you do that, the bigger of a hole you dig yourself into. While this has more to do with sign and trade/expiring contract options, it also has to do with the MLE, since that’s the prime way teams get their salaries over the cap to begin with.

    IMO, the ideal CBA bars sign and trades, ditches the MLE in favor of higher minimum salaries for anyone who’s not a proven journeyman and perhaps a lower exception ($4 million?). Players should also lose their bird rights when traded in the final year of their contract. THis would encourage teams to build teams wisely and for the long term, rather than always looking for the some superstar to bail them out.

  38. d-mar

    Just re-reading Mike’s play-by-play recap while waiting for the page to load, and you know what shot might have totally changed the game? Pierce’s 3 pointer, the Celts only one of the game. There’s 6+ minutes left, the Knicks are up 7, and Pierce dribbles up the floor 1 on 2 and hoists up a 3 with about 20 left on the shot clock. A bad shot for most, but for Pierce against NY, almost a guarantee to go in. If he misses it and we score, we’re up 9 with about 5 minutes left. Maybe we still blow it, but it would have been harder.

    Pierce always finds a way to torture the Knicks, and he loves every minute of it. Maybe he’s still pissed at Q-rich!

  39. Spree8nyk8

    Mike Kurylo: Most importantly, this team is not constructed to compliment the strengths and weaknesses of Stoudemire and Anthony. Not to beat a dead horse, but rather to illustrate the roster problems New York is facing, had the Knicks had Chandler and Gallinari instead of Carmelo & Turiaf they would have been better suited in these possessions. For instance instead of forcing an over-matched Landry Fields to guard Pierce, Gallo and Chandler could have taken turns. And the latter pair would have been more suited for the task.  

    Idk, I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure we lost the game where Gallo needed to guard Paul Pierce late in the game too. In fact I’m kinda sure that PP easily broke down Gallo for the game winner. But then again maybe I’m wrong.

    I wish there was a tad more realistic insight to these summary’s. I mean how can you possibly write an article saying that those two guys would have made a difference vs what we have now, when we already had that situation, and the result was the same. This is the type of writing that fuels the incessant trolling that goes on here and sorta vindicates them…It’s not even close to accurate.

    I’m never ever saying that there aren’t weaknesses with this team. But the bullshit notions that go on about us being better before are outrageous.

    How about an article about the time that the old team was 6-3 vs .500 or better opponents???? Oh yeah, there wasn’t one.

  40. Spree8nyk8

    For me there was a few moments that really changed the game and one of them was when Amar’e drove to the bucket and was fouled (by more than one celtic) and didn’t get the call. At that point they were already feeling like they were starting to get hosed. And on that play they were upset to the point where they came unraveled. Up until then the celtics had pushed them several times and they responded everytime. After that they stopped attacking the rim and I have to believe part of it was because they knew they wouldn’t get a call even if they did get fouled so they probably would be better off trying to win the game with jumpers.

    They definitely should have responded better to adversity. They can’t sulk on defense for what happens when they are on offense. But it sure would be nice to see a game or two where down the stretch the knicks got calls.

  41. max fisher-cohen

    Spree8nyk8: How about an article about the time that the old team was 6-3 vs .500 or better opponents???? Oh yeah, there wasn’t one.  

    Three of those wins were vs. teams that are in heavy decline:

    Utah: 5-9 since trade
    New Orleans: 9-15 since late January
    Atlanta: 7-12 since early Feb.

    Memphis is a middling team missing its best player — that’s two more wins.

    The only really impressive win was vs. Miami. IMO, the Orlando game and last night’s performance were more impressive even as losses than any of the non-miami wins we’ve had.

    I know I’m slicing and dicing stats to make it look like the knicks have been worse, but that’s my main point here. If you pick and choose stats (such as the 6-3 record vs. better than .500 teams), you can always make things seem better or worse. Let’s judge the Knicks by their entire performance: so far, they’ve been around as good as they were pre-trade (average margin of +.625 points, about what it was pre-trade). Our offense is explosive and generally excellent. Our defense is bad most nights and inconsistent on the best nights.

    I agree with you on the gallo/wil defense thing, at least in terms of last night’s game. Pierce was pretty well defended on a lot of the shots he made (only questionable defense was on his transition 3). I do feel that Walker or Brown need to get back into the rotation so ‘Melo doesn’t have to always be defending the best wing player.

  42. art vandelay

    Anyone who is touting Gallo’s D on this board needs to go back and watch the end of the first Detroit game when he was absolutely, positively ABUSED by Tayshaun Prince….he is average at best….let’s not make him out to be Moses Malone or Bruce Bowen, or even imply that had he been on Pierce during the last boston possession of the first game we lost at MSG that somehow he would have likely stopped pierce from scoring!

  43. Tufumbo

    im so sick and tired of hearing the mainstream media ie SAS heap all the blame for the knicks lack of defense on MDA. it seems like everyone in the media particulary those in espn employee forget that hardly any of the knicks are good defenders and thus as a team they suck. they also ignore the point that for a team to have a good team defense the best players have to buy into that and lead the way ie kobe, kg, duncan, etc. until melo and amare decide they really want to win and play consistent defense they wont be a good defensive team regardless of the coach.

  44. Z

    art vandelay: Anyone who is touting Gallo’s D on this board needs to go back and watch the end of the first Detroit game when he was absolutely, positively ABUSED by Tayshaun Prince….  

    Sure, Gallinari got beaten at times. He got burned by Durant. But he drew the game saving charge on Melo. But the fact is, he was a decent defender who is improving and will probably be above average at his peak, especially if he’s in a system that emphasizes defense.

    I don’t think anyone has rose-colored glasses on about Gallinari. He was already good, improving a lot, and has a long career in front of him. Losing him hurt, not only because he was our “homegrown” guy with a likable personality, but also because he is going to be a really good player (and at his peak well into Melo’s decline).

  45. JK47

    One thing that gives me hope is that Melo and Stat, for all their flaws, are not a couple of bums who have no pride. These guys want to win, so hopefully all the losing and all the naysaying motivates them to get their acts together and lead by example. The diva behavior like failing to get back on D because of complaining about calls has got to stop.

    Boston has their priorities straight– they come at you hard on defense, take advantage of lapses in concentration and never stop hustling. I hate them but I admire them. Hopefully our squad learned a thing or two last night.

  46. SeeWhyDee77

    I been sittin here readin previous threads cuz i’m restless..and now I wanna ramble lol. Honestly, I think some folks are bein 2 hard on the team. Hear me out. I too am underwhelmed an disappointed. People like 2 compare Denver and NY..but in our defense it is much easier to integrate a few non-stars especially when u have a HOF coach. And those guys out there in the powder blue are all young and not as set in their ways as Melo and Billups. Realistically, it’s not as easy to add an elite one on one scorer to an ensemble that thrives on ball movement at midseason. Especially when said ensemble already has a star puttin up 26 ppg. I’m not makin excuses, I’m just tryina be realistic. Oh, and let’s not forget Billups who has NEVER been known as a great facilitator..which is what the system needs to work at a peak level. He does well, but Chauncey’s a scorer. Level headed veteran leader, yea..but Felton definitely was the better fit. I don’t wanna say Billups’ addition is not a plus, becuz it is. He’s just not the best fit. It’s easy to look back and say we shouldn’t have made the trade. Hell, I was against adding Melo for a while. But u jus don’t pass up on an all NBA talent if u can get 1. Yes the offense was running smoother and guys played more consistently on D before Melo and Billups arrived. But the talent level is MUCH better. Our role players can get the job done, we just don’t have the coaching staff to maximize it. And we don’t have a 7 footer that can stand up in the paint. I think all of us were blinded in a way by the stats and kinda expected too much too soon. Bottom line is this..we will be the most dangerous low seed in the playoffs, then it’s back to the lab to perfect our craft. I have no problem with that..this season. I can wait another season..to be continued..

  47. SeeWhyDee77

    ..now..if D’Antoni refuses to hire a defensive coach and expand his rotation a tad, then he must go in the offseason. Walsh MUST stay. Remember when Derrick Brown was comin outta college and everybody said he had first round ability? Just becuz he dropped 2 the second round and didn’t get much time as a tweener behind Wallace and Diaw doesn’t mean he’s not good. Another problem is extra E has 2 much of a green light and no defensive responsibilities. I don’t wanna go into great detail, so what i’m tryin 2 say is more blame for the team’s lack of cohesiveness and direction is a direct reflection on the coaching staff. Collectively, the roster’s not bad. Just a lil small and not bein used properly. But that doesn’t absolve the players either. I think Stat should be more assertive and be the leader that he was before Melo came along. It’s his team. Melo will get his points. But right now Stat has to take the lead until Melo catches up to the system. I think he’s stepping back to allow Melo to do what he does a little too much. Imagine how efficient of a scorer Melo would become if he learned how 2 score within the offense like Stat has. I will say this in defense of Melo..he does move the ball more than he ever has, so he’s takin steps. but like I said it’s hard to integrate 2 scorers and rely on role players who really haven’t been gettin playin time. So don’t expect too much this year..be content with what we have and hope and pray Walshtoni makes adjustments in the offseason.

  48. SeeWhyDee77

    SeeWhyDee77: . but like I said it’s hard to integrate 2 scorers and rely on role players who really haven’t been gettin playin time. So don’t expect too much this year..be content with what we have and hope and pray Walshtoni makes adjustments in the offseason.  

    *let me add 2 scorers who were/are perennial all stars and usually the best players on their previous team.
    Melo is the better scorer..worth almost every penny. But the team has to run thru Stat becuz his make up is closer to a Kobe as far as bein the best player and leader goes than Melo is. Even Kobe knows to feed his bigs 1st. Maybe thas not a good analogy becuz our guys are not the Lakers on any level. But if u say Melo is the Kobe type scorer, then Stat is the big man who makes the team play better when he’s fed and havin a good game, ala Gasol and Bynum.

  49. cgreene

    max fisher-cohen: cgreene, while OKC might need the MLE in order to get the roster to win a championship, I don’t think that they have the financial resources to ever be able to afford to spend the MLE. Perhaps if other teams are not allowed to use the MLE and to make crazy sign and trades to rebuild their roster despite being way over the cap (looking at you, Mark Cuban), then OKC would be a championship contender with the roster they have right now.It would also be beneficial because it would prevent teams from doing what the Knicks did during most of this past decade. Once you get over the cap, you can get into a cycle of trading expirings for whatever other overpaid star another team is looking to get rid of, and the more you do that, the bigger of a hole you dig yourself into. While this has more to do with sign and trade/expiring contract options, it also has to do with the MLE, since that’s the prime way teams get their salaries over the cap to begin with.IMO, the ideal CBA bars sign and trades, ditches the MLE in favor of higher minimum salaries for anyone who’s not a proven journeyman and perhaps a lower exception ($4 million?). Players should also lose their bird rights when traded in the final year of their contract. THis would encourage teams to build teams wisely and for the long term, rather than always looking for the some superstar to bail them out.  

    Excellent alternative points about the CBA. Both work when you make good decisions. OKC could flourish either way. I prefer uber talented teams to parity. Rather watch the best players play the best players most often. The current system is better for that. For the Knicks, Walsh is the key. Keep him and I feel he will make the right decisions to fill the holes. Lose him and it’s a huge question mark.

  50. SeeWhyDee77

    SeeWhyDee77:
    *let me add 2 scorers who were/are perennial all stars and usually the best players on their previous team.
    Melo is the better scorer..worth almost every penny. But the team has to run thru Stat becuz his make up is closer to a Kobe as far as bein the best player and leader goes than Melo is. Even Kobe knows to feed his bigs 1st. Maybe thas not a good analogy becuz our guys are not the Lakers on any level. But if u say Melo is the Kobe type scorer, then Stat is the big man who makes the team play better when he’s fed and havin a good game, ala Gasol and Bynum.  

    ah dammit..I didn’t explain the ‘make up’ line good enough. I was tryina say that Stat is more capable of bein the best player/scorer AND leader than Melo is. Good news for Stat is he doesn’t hafta score as much with Melo around, but the team still needs to follow his lead moreso than Melo’s. And the whole team, Melo included, needs to play off Stat more. A great big opens the game up more and makes everything else easier just like we saw in the 1st half of the season.

  51. Owen

    “Worst Trade By-Product: Any and all Mozgov post-game interviews. They have it all: the bear-like chuckle, the complee disregard for verb tense and the second-language apologies. So awkward it makes your shoulders hurt. (This might actually be the best by-product.)”

    I couldn’t disagree more. Losing Mozgov’s robot teddy bear interviews was a gigantic loss, easily edging Gallo’s hair gel and Wilson’s neck tat. Have you read his blog?

    “Chemistry should not be the reason why talented teams lose to bad squads – that’s just hustle. If you can go out and win six games against playoff-caliber teams, then you are certainly cohesive enough to avoid six losses against teams operating below the equator.”

    Very nice piece, liked it a lot, although I think “heart” is a little overrated when it comes to explaining why teams win or lose…

    Also, the 28 days later title, it reminded that being a Knicks fan is a little like living a horror movie…

  52. New Guy

    I’ve never been a D’Antoni critic, but in a recent podcast featuring Bill Simmons and Steve Kerr, Simmons pointed out three players: Brewer, Darko, and Anthony Randolph. They all have value (particularly defensively), but D’Antoni had no time for them and gave them away. As Simmons pointed out, “every smart team was lining up to sign Corey Brewer.”

    It’s a valid criticism, I think. And for the first time I think I’m starting to see D’Antoni’s departure (which I think is inevitable) as not such a terrible thing.

  53. JK47

    @58

    Darko and Corey Brewer played a combined 2900+ minutes for Minnesota, and they have the 26th ranked defense in the NBA to show for it. Anthony Randolph has gone to Minnesota and looked pretty underwhelming– a .488 TS% on 26.2 USG%. You’re gonna have a hard time convincing me that any one of those guys is anything more than marginally useful. Maybe Brewer could have helped out a bit, but Randolph is a long-term project with the basketball IQ of a fence post and Darko flat-out sucks. I really don’t think we’d be a whole lot better if we had invested lots of minutes in these three players.

  54. max fisher-cohen

    Yep, simmons is just joining the mainstream brigade towards blaming MDA because we all know that anyone who has been labeled a superstar is infallible.

  55. Nick C.

    Was Simmons one of the blowhards pimping for “must trade for Melo” faction? Really these guys have no conscience and frankly no one has the balls to call them on it. God forbid they say, ya know maybe I was too hasty, for this season the team may end up with the same result as they would have w/o the trade, etc. etc. But of course these self-appointed experts are also geniuses in their own minds and if something goes wrong it can’t possibly be their “fault.”

  56. Owen

    Brewer/Darko = Replacement level

    Thibodeau and the bulls defense makes you wonder, but there Is a good case that coaches don’t matter much beyond the quality of their playing time decisions. At the end of the day player quality is by far the most important thing driving wins totals.

    But in mda’s case I do think a desire to find players who fit his “aesthetic” has led us to make a lot of very questionable personnel decisions. Whether that’s his fault I don’t know. His ability to recruit players is a plus also but not one we have used effectively.

  57. Jafa

    tenebrous: I don’t know what you guys keep complainting about. Stat is about to go on a tear.  

    Please don’t use STAT and tear in the same sentence. Of our “Big 3″, he’s the most valuable.

  58. Jafa

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: I love being right, and I don’t care who knows it.  

    You were right for now.

    The Heat naysayers were right when they were 9-8 and Lebron was saying things like “I’m not having fun” and bumping his coach. Until they figured it out and are now looking like the biggest threat to Boston’s repeat hopes.

    I’m not saying your going to be wrong in the future, just saying its too early to savor the vindication of “being right”.

  59. mase

    it sounds like the Knicks were out coached, i missed the gameon purpose bcause they are once again unwatchable.

    i hate to see d’antoni go, i like his ssol offense its fun to watch.

    another point, im starting to miss felton, cant believe im saying that

  60. ess-dog

    d-mar:
    If you take out the word “right” and substitute a synonym for “an orefice” then I would have to agree with you  

    Correct spelling always makes a cut-down so much more effective.

  61. Jafa

    For those who advocate the dismissal of Mike D, who would you suggest as a replacement? Give us some names so we can do a fair comparison.

  62. cgreene

    Jafa: For those who advocate the dismissal of Mike D, who would you suggest as a replacement?Give us some names so we can do a fair comparison.  

    Rick Adelman

  63. cgreene

    ps: I don’t advocate the MDA dismissal. But Adelman has shown to be a versatile coach that gets the most out of a lot of diff’t types of teams.

  64. KnickInSeattle

    @70, Jerry Sloan.
    I don’t necessarily advocate an MDA dismissal either, but Sloan is a hall-of-famer, and probably available.

  65. Jim Cavan

    KnickInSeattle: @70, Jerry Sloan.
    I don’t necessarily advocate an MDA dismissal either, but Sloan is a hall-of-famer, and probably available.  

    Yeesh. You don’t think that would be a disaster? If Sloan and D-Will couldn’t get along, what does that say about Melo’s chances to buy in? It’s oddly intriguing, but if Sloan is set to jump once more into the breach, I’m not it would it would be this $#!%show.

  66. BigBlueAL

    BTW Rick Adelman is not much different than D’Antoni. His teams are great on offense and average if not worst on defense.

  67. massive

    All the Knicks need is a defensive assistant for D’Antoni. D’Antoni and Mike Brown could make a lot of noise together.

  68. Garson

    massive: All the Knicks need is a defensive assistant for D’Antoni. D’Antoni and Mike Brown could make a lot of noise together.  (Quote)

    Good Idea… How would the Firing of his brother go down?

  69. Jafa

    Okay, lets look at some quantitative analysis of some of your choices:

    Adelman
    939-611 regular season record for 60.6% winning percentage
    79-78 playoff record for 50.3% winning percentage
    2010/11 Rockets Offensive Rating: 111.0 (4th in league)
    2010/11 Rockets Defensive Rating: 109.3 (20th)

    D’Antoni
    363-310 regular season record for 53.9% winning percentage
    26-25 playoff record for 51.0% winning percentage
    2010/11 Knicks Offensive Rating: 110.4 (7th)
    2010/11 Knicks Defensive Rating: 109.8 (22nd)

    Looks like the same coach to me, especially this year. Don’t see the upgrade here.

    JVG
    430-318 57.5%
    44-44 50.0%
    2006/07 Rockets (which went 52-30) Offensive Rating: 106.0 (15th)
    2006/07 Rockets Defensive Rating: 100.7 (3rd)

    Better defense, worse offense. I guess we could use a change of pace.

    I don’t think Sloan & Phil Jackson need any stats to back up the assertion that they are better than D’Antoni. Still, unless we are getting one of those two, I’d stick to the status quo and do what massive suggested: convince D’Antoni to hire a defensive assistant other than his brother.

  70. Jafa

    Garson:
    Good Idea… How would the Firing of his brother go down?  

    They could reassign him to other duties…like PG coach (kind of like football). Heard he was good at this in the past. He could focus on turning Toney Douglas into a more traditional PG instead of a combo guard.

  71. Spree8nyk8

    I would love to see phil jackson in ny. But the notion of JVG is intriguing. It would be a fan favorite choice i’m sure.

  72. Jafa

    Spree8nyk8: “The Honorable Cock Jowles: I love being a fag, and I don’t care who knows it.

    I knew it!”

    Dude, how old are you? Name calling because he has an opposing viewpoint? Relax, its only a basketball team.

    And dmar, same goes for you man. Lets argue without resorting to yahoo sports blog language.

  73. Spree8nyk8

    Jafa: Spree8nyk8: “The Honorable Cock Jowles: I love being a fag, and I don’t care who knows it.I knew it!”Dude, how old are you?Name calling because he has an opposing viewpoint?Relax, its only a basketball team.And dmar, same goes for you man.Lets argue without resorting to yahoo sports blog language.  

    Caring about my opinion about an opposing opinion? How old are you? Why do you have the right to do something I don’t? Take time to follow your rules before you envoke them on me bud. Amazing how those representing themselves to be smart and rational fail to recognize the irony of their own statements isn’t it?

  74. Z

    Spree8nyk8: What was misspelled?And whose homophobic?  

    Well, the word “whose” certainly is.

    As for who is homophobic, I don’t know, but you are definitely driving people away from this site. Please stop.

  75. BigBlueAL

    If there ever was the perfect time for Phil Jackson to finally fulfill his lifelong dream of coaching the Knicks it would be starting next season.

    I believe even his girlfriend (Jeanie Buss) has said on the record that the only team he would coach (since it is assumed he is leaving the Lakers after this season) is the Knicks since that is still his dream job. Im pretty sure if the Knicks seriously wants Phil Jackson to coach the Knicks next season it would happen.

  76. Jafa

    Spree8nyk8:
    Caring about my opinion about an opposing opinion? How old are you?Why do you have the right to do something I don’t?Take time to follow your rules before you envoke them on me bud.Amazing how those representing themselves to be smart and rational fail to recognize the irony of their own statements isn’t it?  

    Old enough and bold enough to see something wrong and say something about it rather than ignore it. And exactly what name did I call you?

    While I value your input to this blog, which I read often, I would rather you do it in a passionate but respectful way. And I don’t think I am alone in my line of thinking.

  77. Spree8nyk8

    BigBlueAL: If there ever was the perfect time for Phil Jackson to finally fulfill his lifelong dream of coaching the Knicks it would be starting next season.I believe even his girlfriend (Jeanie Buss) has said on the record that the only team he would coach (since it is assumed he is leaving the Lakers after this season) is the Knicks since that is still his dream job.Im pretty sure if the Knicks seriously wants Phil Jackson to coach the Knicks next season it would happen.  

    I think it’s much more likely that Phil sits out for a season and then returns. MDA just isn’t going to be fired this year. It would look awful to have given him nothing to work with for years, then fire him this year when he hasn’t really had a season to work with 1 team yet. But if he were to fail next season they could fire him with a clear conscience. And Phil could ride his white horse into NYC.

  78. Spree8nyk8

    Jafa:
    Old enough and bold enough to see something wrong and say something about it rather than ignore it.And exactly what name did I call you?While I value your input to this blog, which I read often, I would rather you do it in a passionate but respectful way.And I don’t think I am alone in my line of thinking.  

    Who said you called me a name? Look man, I’m sick to death of the trolls mucking up this place, so now they are getting nuked. I’m not gonna be nice to them, I’m not gonna be respectful of them. That time has passed. Don’t worry, they’ll ban me soon and that will be the beginning.

  79. d-mar

    Jafa: Spree8nyk8: “The Honorable Cock Jowles: I love being a fag, and I don’t care who knows it.I knew it!”Dude, how old are you?Name calling because he has an opposing viewpoint?Relax, its only a basketball team.And dmar, same goes for you man.Lets argue without resorting to yahoo sports blog language.  

    Hey, timeout here, I’m not condoning homophobia or misspellings (and I apologize for misspelling “orifice” I guess it’s a word I don’t use often) but this started with a completely asinine post by THCJ that basically said “nyah nyah I’m right you’re all wrong” (I’m assuming about Melo). Why isn’t that being called out? I respect all the opinions on this blog, even if I don’t agree, but this attitude of “ha ha I knew I was right” is really childish.

  80. Spree8nyk8

    Which is exactly my point. The behavior by these people is completely ignored but the people that call them out get blasted. Then the people that call those people out are saints….something is wrong with this equation.

  81. max fisher-cohen

    I think anytime the best coach in the league becomes available and wants to coach your team, you can fire your current coach without feeling bad about it, so if Jackson wants to come on, then I don’t think anyone would fault walsh. If it’s adelman or van gundy, I think that’s stupid.

    I like MDA. I agree that a defensive coach would help. I feel most of all though that some competent defenders would help.

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