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Tuesday, September 2, 2014

Seven Seconds or Mess: Play of the Week 12/12/08

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(Note: The gray defensive circles labeled 1-5 are position specific. A point guard is a 1, a center is a 5, etc.)

I don’t think this is a set play, though it looks like one. Watch Duhon direct traffic.

28 comments on “Seven Seconds or Mess: Play of the Week 12/12/08

  1. Italian Stallion

    Someone mentioned that Russian basketball is going through financial problems. Found the story here: http://www.ballineurope.com/womens-basketball/crisis-reaches-russia-delfino-refuses-to-play/
    But even if Delfino leaves Russia, doesn’t Toronto still own his rights? Or was he an unrestricted free agent when he left?

    You would think the teams would be smart enough to hedge their currency risk. Most large businesses do. I hope this works to our advantage. We could use a break.

  2. jrodmc

    this league is going to go the way of Arena football unless idiots who make more than 99.9% of the general population start playing defense.

    What was this play called? layup line?

  3. Brendan

    Only thing I could find on Delfino-as-free-agent was a sketchy google cache of an expired message board repost of a Chad Ford article saying he was restricted.

    Gotta love the Russian league. As far as I can tell for obvious reasons European basketball is a lot closer in some ways to European soccer than it is to American basketball, which means there’s an even greater concentration of creepy fixers, underhanded deals, fly-by-night owners and such than over here. As a result, you get a lot more business transacted based on back-door channels, emotion and spur-of-the-moment thinking than you do on long-term risk management and sustainable models. Compare and contrast to Heart of Midlothian under Romanov, or the Leeds United implosion, the Real Madrid manager’s situation….

  4. Duff Soviet Union

    this league is going to go the way of Arena football unless idiots who make more than 99.9% of the general population start playing defense.
    What was this play called? layup line?

    Yeah, players never got layups in the 60′s. Was that comment a joke?

  5. Ben R

    If we do in fact get a salary exemption what about trading for Damon Jones. He is on the last year of his contract and Milwaukee sent him home. He is not an exciting choice but he is a career 39% 3pt shooter with a 3:1 career ast/to ratio.

    I know he is a limited player but you can do alot worse as a 10th man off the bench and he can run spot minutes at the point. He is what Roberson was supposed to be. I know once we get Nate he is not very necessary but as insurance and the occasional stint off the bench sitting in the corner shooting threes he would be perfect.

    Also unlike Delfino he would not expect a huge role and would probably be grateful just to get playing time. Our team is playing well and I do not think we need to add a major piece once everyone is healthy, unless that major piece is a clear upgrade.

  6. Ben R

    Gian – My original post got deleted and I forgot to mention in my new post that I love the work you do. It’s great to see a real point guard directing traffic. I am not sure if it is Duhon or just D’Antoni’s system but the Knicks have really been finding (or creating) mismatches lately and Duhon has done a great job of letting players take advantage without hijacking the offense like when Isiah tried to take advantage of mismatches with the old “system”.

    Keep up the great work.

  7. Gian Casimiro (SSoM) Post author

    Thanks, Ben.

    I got a look at Von Wafer last night but unfortunately, I caught him on a night when his jumper wasn’t falling. He looks fast and takes long strides when he runs. Quick help defender, too. He almost threw it down on someone and was blocked from behind but you could see his ups. Definitely better than Roberson.

  8. Formosa Coweater

    Thanks for the link to the story about what’s happening in the Russian league. Looks like there maybe some opportunities around the corner.

    P.S. Besides Delfino, are there any other players that may be of interest to the Knicks?

  9. Italian Stallion

    Anyone besides me growing tired of Jackson and Van Gundy taking backdoor pot shots at D’Antoni and his former Pheonix team during their TV basketball commentary over defense?

    You didn’t get the coaching job MJ. Get over it!

  10. Mike K. (KnickerBlogger)

    this league is going to go the way of Arena football unless idiots who make more than 99.9% of the general population start playing defense.

    What was this play called? layup line?

    Am I reading this wrong, or does this person think that 99.9% of the population plays professional basketball? Or do we all have to start playing defense so the NBA will learn from us.

  11. Mike K. (KnickerBlogger)

    this league is going to go the way of Arena football unless idiots who make more than 99.9% of the general population start playing defense.
    What was this play called? layup line?

    Yeah, players never got layups in the 60’s. Was that comment a joke?

    It wasn’t when it was written, but it is now.

  12. Gian Casimiro (SSoM) Post author

    Am I reading this wrong, or does this person think that 99.9% of the population plays professional basketball? Or do we all have to start playing defense so the NBA will learn from us.

    You mean to tell me you’re one of the 0.1% that declined a D-League contract, too?

    “this league is going to go the way of Arena football unless idiots who make more [money] than 99.9% of the general population start playing defense.”

    I’m sure that was his message.

  13. Gmal

    the play has some nuances to it that you need to replay several times to catch, watch Duhon’s foot spacing on the pick, they are very far apart and may even quietly extend out a bit as the Net defender goes by
    him which causes him to fall. Timing between Chris, Tim and Al can’t get any better.

  14. cwod

    Anyone besides me growing tired of Jackson and Van Gundy taking backdoor pot shots at D’Antoni and his former Pheonix team during their TV basketball commentary over defense?
    You didn’t get the coaching job MJ. Get over it!

    I find that ignoring anything Mark Jackson says on air is usually for the best. JVG is slightly more bearable, because he actually kind of knows things and will make jokes at least.

  15. nj hoop
    Am I reading this wrong, or does this person think that 99.9% of the population plays professional basketball? Or do we all have to start playing defense so the NBA will learn from us.

    You mean to tell me you’re one of the 0.1% that declined a D-League contract, too?
    “this league is going to go the way of Arena football unless idiots who make more [money] than 99.9% of the general population start playing defense.”
    I’m sure that was his message.

    I love it when people harp back to the “good old days” of the NBA in the 60′s and 70′s when everyone played fundamental basketball and it was a joy to watch. You ever watch clips from that era? Guys given wide open looks from 10 feet (with time to set their feet and take aim) uncontested layups etc. I guess that was pretty to watch, but you have to appreciate the athleticism of today’s NBA player and the degree of difficulty of a lot of their moves which we tend to take for granted.

  16. Italian Stallion

    I think the job D’Antoni is doing to get this this rag tag group of shorthanded Knicks to buy into his style, play well together, play hard almost every night, and remain motivated to improve, says something about the impact coaching can have on a team. However, IMO the rate of firings in the NBA is getting a bit silly at this point. Sometimes bad play is the coach’s fault. But a lot of the time the team just stinks, the pieces don’t fit well together, injuries are an issue etc… but the coach is often the first to get the blame.

  17. Brendan

    It’s interesting- with each of this year’s fired coaches you can say the individual reasons they were sacked mostly make sense: Cheeks couldn’t integrate Brand into the offense, Wittman’s team quit on him, the Thunder were on their way to being historically bad, Mitchell was in the same boat as Cheeks with O’Neal- but in the aggregate I agree with you, IS. The hook is just coming way too fast, and coaches are ending up getting squashed from both ends, taking the rap for bad GMs above and bad players below alike. Cheeks at the very least deserved more time to get Brand working within the offense.

    You see stuff like this and hear of Maggette being on the block with the Warriors, and wonder how teams can change their minds so quickly.

  18. Brian Cronin

    I think, Brendan, that teams every year want to make moves like this, but typically they’ll hold back so that they don’t look silly for firing their guy too early.

    However, in a year when a couple of coaches got fired really early, the other teams know that they can likely get away with firing coaches without much complaining, since “everyone else is doing it!”

  19. Brian Cronin

    It is also a bit disheartening to note that the NBA has now gone from 11 black head coaches to 9, with Reggie Theus also rumored to be on the chopping block.

    Of the three black head coaches fired, only one was replaced by another black coach.

  20. Gmal

    Realy tough to coach in this league when the players have guaranteed contracts, as for Mo if I recall he was on the hot seat last year also at some time, the slow start (9-14) compared to last years 18-30
    shouldn’t of been a deciding factor.

  21. nj hoop

    Also amazing to think how long Isaiah lasted as coach AND general manager. Obviously says something about ownership.

  22. jon abbey

    YAY! Nate is back tonight, and will be starting in the near future.

    “The starting lineup, D’Antoni envisions, has Robinson-Duhon in the backcourt with Wilson Chandler at small forward, Al Harrington at power forward and David Lee at center. The three-man bench will be Jared Jeffries, Richardson, who’s struggled shooting-wise at times, and Tim Thomas.”

    that’s going to be an entertaining team to watch if they’re all healthy. also, they still could desperately use an actual guard coming off the bench, not just Q.

    http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/knicks/archives/2008/12/will_nate-duhon.html

  23. Brendan

    Awesome! I missed Nate, and that’d be my favorite starting 5 as well.

    And Brian, you’re right, there’s definitely a herd/cover mentality to it where each sacking makes the next easier.

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