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Friday, August 22, 2014

Seven Seconds or Mess: Play of the Week 1/15/09

Kelly Dwyer writes:

How people can keep underestimating David Lee, thinking that he’s a product of a lousy team, easy shots, porous defense, uninspired opponents, lefty fetishism, Chris Duhon, the Washington Wizards … it boggles the mind.

30 points, 10 rebounds, six assists, two steals, zero turnovers in 41:28; that’s a player. That’s someone that’s worth your time. It was true in 2005, it’s true today.



The Wizards get really caught up here and leave the most important man unguarded.

20 comments on “Seven Seconds or Mess: Play of the Week 1/15/09

  1. TDM

    Its probably user error, but I can’t pull up the youtube link. It says the video is no longer available.

  2. Mike K. (KnickerBlogger)

    Video fine from here.

    The Wizards center tries to pop out and intercept the pass leaving him way out of position. Also plays like this are what excite me about Curry coming back. Although Lee has good hands, you’d think Eddy would be able to do the same. Granted Lee’s ability to hit the jumper help make him open on the inside. But more importantly, for most of Curry’s Knick career he hasn’t been given the ball in these types of setups. I think it’ll help his numbers and trade value.

  3. Z

    “I think it’ll help his numbers and trade value.”

    Yeah, but Mike– do you really think there’s any hope that Curry can be productive in a fast paced system? The only system he’s been able to cope with physically is the slowed down feed-the-post half court game. Do you really think he’ll be in shape enough to see increased numbers? The trade deadline is only 5 weeks away and he’s not even practicing right now.

  4. D-Rim

    Yeah the realistic goal is trying to trade him in the summer. Just get him healthy and hope he has a good run down the stretch.

  5. Gian Casimiro (7SoM) Post author

    Also plays like this are what excite me about Curry coming back. Although Lee has good hands, you’d think Eddy would be able to do the same.

    I really wonder what he’ll do in the high post. I don’t trust his passing or decision making in general.

  6. david

    Nice video. Although one un-noted aspect was that Jeffries’ weird high dribble made the play much harder and the defenders’s failure to rotate less excusable…..

  7. cgreene

    Nice video analysis. A few things to comment on here. First, the ball movement on this play was excellent. Chandler recognized Lee’s slip to the basket and found him. If Chandler player more with his head up it would make him a smarter and even more promising player. Second, although it was a nice slip to the basket by Lee and good recognition from Chandler and overall nice ball movement it was terrible defense from Jamison. Notice that Jamison is paying much too close attention the offensively inept JJ instead of seeing Lee break to the basket and rotating off JJ. Actually reminds me a lot of what the Knicks do poorly on D which is recognize the situation and make split decisions as to whom to rotate on to and whom to double team in certain situations. Thirdly, and D’Antoni commented on this in his post game and again yesterday when talking about Lee, is that he has also vastly improved his ability to see what the situation is when he catches the ball down low and he has started to pivot and look at the floor while holding the ball up high and make excellent passes from low on the baseline back outside and to cutters. Would love to see this in a SSoM because he has been doing this a lot lately and it falls under the category of not just padding his assist stats but also a player who (although it is way overused these days) makes his teammates better. That is one of the reasons why I am very high on keeping him. He is a very smart player.

  8. phreesh

    Nothing really to add, other than I’m a new visitor to the site and think it’s awesome. Keep up the great work!

  9. Owen

    I was thinking of writing something about Lee in “The Expected” thread, but that post got a bit off track. What I wanted to say is that even for me, who cooks DLee’s waffles every morning, it still comes as a near total surprise that he can score in the ways he does. With stars in this league, you know beforehand how they are going to get their points. They all have their signature moves, their scoring is expected in a sense. With Lee, all his points still seem like accidents. It’s gotten better. He hits jumpshots now somewhat often, which is a way of scoring that people understand. But honestly, It always seems to have been an accident, or to have been created by another player.

    But watch him long enough and you realize that he creates a lot of easy scoring opportunities just by moving well off the ball, having a high basketball IQ, and excellent ambidextrous finishing skills and athleticism. It isn’t pretty, but it works very very well.

    This play is a perfect example. Any NBA big man should be able to do that but most simply don’t slip a screen as well as he does here.

    Anyway, great stuff as always, I could watch Lee highlights all day long.

  10. TheSecretWeapon

    What a player does against the Wizards should not be used as a primary argument about the quality of that player. The Wiz are terrible this season, and they’ve been dreck on the defensive end for several seasons now.

    Against the Wizards, the Knicks posted an offensive rating of 150. That’s a preposterous number. The only higher single-game offensive rating (that I’m aware of) was a 151 by the Utah Jazz. It came last March against the Wizards.

  11. studentofthegame

    “How people can keep underestimating David Lee, thinking that he’s a product of a lousy team, easy shots, porous defense, uninspired opponents, lefty fetishism, Chris Duhon, the Washington Wizards … it boggles the mind”

    These generalizations don’t make sense. How does playing on a bad team RESULT in a career TS% of 62%? Is David Lee the only player that goes up against uninspired opponents (All 30 teams face each other)? Chris Duhon…this isn’t even Lee’s best season PER-wise. Does seem to have taken a larger offensive role this year, but he has always been a good player nonetheless with a career PER of 18.3.

  12. ess-dog

    Where the hell is everybody? Crappy game last night. I guess we actually DO suck. I didn’t watch, but why did Lee only get 6 shots when he made them all? Noone else even came close to shooting 50% and he shot 100%. Meanwhile, Chandler takes 12 THREES? I’m starting to question his brainpower.

  13. Gian Casimiro (7SoM) Post author

    Nothing really to add, other than I’m a new visitor to the site and think it’s awesome. Keep up the great work!

    Welcome to KB!

    Where the hell is everybody? Crappy game last night. I guess we actually DO suck. I didn’t watch, but why did Lee only get 6 shots when he made them all? Noone else even came close to shooting 50% and he shot 100%. Meanwhile, Chandler takes 12 THREES? I’m starting to question his brainpower.

    We were here: http://www.knickerblogger.net/?page_id=1295/main/2009-game-thread-new-york-at-washington
    All game threads will be in the forum from now on.

  14. Owen

    Ess – Dog – I question Chandler’s bball IQ too. Although he did make 4 of those three pointers. And his +/- is now at +8, with a pretty even impact on offense and defense.

    I am not feeling wrong about Chandler yet, but my eyes are open, even if his ts% is now at 50.3% for the year, he seems to be helping the Knicks out there, maybe…

  15. Cartman

    Chandler has good athletic ability, performs well under pressure, and is one of the more versatile defenders on the team. The problem is that he’s not a very good three point shooter at this stage of his career. I could live with that, but he insists on taking a high volume of his of shots from beyond the arc and just inside the arc. Virtually all those shots are hurting the team.

    When he goes to the basket more and is more selective, he looks like a very solid prospect.

    I’m actually shocked the coaching staff hasn’t done more to try to get him under control yet. It couldn’t be more obvious that he’s hurting the team in a way that is very easy to correct. It’s not like he’s Nate Robinson firing a lot of stupid shots because his emotions get out of control. It looks like Chandler just doesn’t “get it” yet.

    I would tend to agree that he doesn’t have a high basketball IQ, but Alan Hahn insists that he’s actually pretty bright and the coaching staff says he absorbs things like a sponge.

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