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Saturday, November 29, 2014

Ronnie Brewer Traded to the Oklahoma City Thunder

Ronnie Brewer has been traded to the Oklahoma City Thunder in exchange for a future second round pick, according to various reports. The trade opens up a roster space for the Knicks, who many expect to pursue a free agent in the coming days and weeks.

As numerous trade options spiraled about the Knicks camp — most of which involved a potential trade of Iman Shumpert — Ronnie Brewer became  the most movable piece the Knicks had to offer. Looking at a team that virtually had no way to improve a very strong roster based around the scoring efforts of Carmelo Anthony, trading for roster space was a smart move, even if it doesn’t have a major impact.

The Knicks will now be able to pursue possible free agent candidates, including Lou Amundson, Jermaine O’Neal and Kenyon Martin.

Brewer, who could fit well in OKC’s system, has the potential to be a good steal for the Thunder. While he did produce strong play for the Knicks at the beginning of the season, Brewer’s productivity has decreased steadily over time. After beginning the season in the starting lineup, Brewer had assumed a much smaller role — even so far as not playing at all in close games — heading into the trade deadline crunch time.

So, what should the Knicks do with their open roster spot? Reports have indicated interest in the above-mentioned bigs, but should they instead pursue guard depth? What does everyone think?

29 comments on “Ronnie Brewer Traded to the Oklahoma City Thunder

  1. DRed

    Well, getting something for someone we were never going to play is better than nothing, I suppose. If we really needed a roster space to sign someone we could have just cut James White.

  2. BigBlueAL

    Ive been as perplexed as most with the supposed interest in Jermaine O’neal but looking at his stats he has actually been pretty good this season.

  3. jon abbey

    still no idea why we don’t cut Kurt Thomas, and Berri’s site continues to be the dumbest thing around.

  4. BigBlueAL

    Another thing about using the roster spot to sign another big, with Camby and Sheed both supposedly close to coming back already is it really necessary?? I would understand it if Woodson is now determined to always play with 2 bigs and move Melo back to SF permanently but Berman tweeted today Woodson was asked if Amar’e could be starting soon and he replied that he likes Melo at PF. So if thats the case why bother looking for another big, when the hell are they all gonna play and whats the point then of having 5 backup bigs??

  5. DRed

    We have a win now team. Ronnie Brewer has, in the recent past, been a good NBA player. We don’t owe him significant money. We traded him for what’s going to be a bottom second round pick. It is highly unlikely that player will ever contribute to the Knicks. If we needed a roster spot, we could cut James White, who has never been a productive NBA player.

    I’m not too broken up about Brewer because it’s clear Woodson was never going to play him again, and he could have some sort of other problems we don’t know about that the Knicks do know about. But it’s not dumb to think that this was not a good trade for the Knicks. Arguing that Ronnie Brewer has a higher chance of helping the Knicks in the short term than a very low second round draft pick is eminently reasonable.

  6. jon abbey

    yeah, not a good trade. if OKC thinks that Brewer can maybe help them, he has a decidedly better chance of helping us.

    but WoW is still awful.

  7. Frank

    DRed: But it’s not dumb to think that this was not a good trade for the Knicks. Arguing that Ronnie Brewer has a higher chance of helping the Knicks in the short term than a very low second round draft pick is eminently reasonable.

    I love Brewer as a person but DRed – have you actually seen him play this year? OUtside of a ridiculous hot streak earlier in the year, he has been completely unplayable. From Dec 1 until now, he has a TS of 32.3. He’s had 22 shots at the rim and converted 25.6% of them. He’s 1 for 5 from midrange. 25.6% from long 2 and 21.6% from 3 point range. The team is a -8 per 100 poss with him on the floor.

    He’s a great person but has really been a disappointment on both sides of the ball. He was supposed to bring plus defense and also lots of off-ball cuts and other kinds of scoring. He’s done none of that other than that hot streak from 3 in the first few weeks of the season. There is no way he was ever going to get significant time again other than maybe spot defensive matchups. And last year, he couldn’t even get on the floor for a coach that emphasizes defense above everything in Thibs!

    I am happy for him though – maybe a change of scenery will help him. And it seems probable unfortunately that OKC will go farther in the postseason than we will. Hopefully that’s not true.

  8. DRed

    Frank: I love Brewer as a person but DRed – have you actually seen him play this year?OUtside of a ridiculous hot streak earlier in the year, he has been completely unplayable. From Dec 1 until now, he has a TS of 32.3. He’s had 22 shots at the rim and converted 25.6% of them. He’s 1 for 5 from midrange. 25.6% from long 2 and 21.6% from 3 point range. The team is a -8 per 100 poss with him on the floor.

    He’s a great person but has really been a disappointment on both sides of the ball. He was supposed to bring plus defense and also lots of off-ball cuts and other kinds of scoring. He’s done none of that other than that hot streak from 3 in the first few weeks of the season.There is no way he was ever going to get significant time again other than maybe spot defensive matchups.And last year, he couldn’t even get on the floor for a coach that emphasizes defense above everything in Thibs!

    I am happy for him though – maybe a change of scenery will help him. And it seems probable unfortunately that OKC will go farther in the postseason than we will. Hopefully that’s not true.

    No doubt, Ronnie Brewer has sucked. But he was good in the start of the year, he was good playing 25 minutes a game for the Bulls last year (and he lost playing time to Jimmy Butler, who is awesome), and he was good the year before that. It might not even be likely that he’s good again this year or next year, but it’s more likely than the pick we got from Oklahoma giving us a player who is productive. That’s all I’m saying.

  9. yellowboy90

    Can a Brewer stay a full season for the knicks? Corey lasted a month maybe and Ronnie a little more than a season. Why they cut Corey is and hung on to Billy Walker is beyond me.

    ALso, who are the potential waiver wire grabs.

    I remember a couple a years ago everyone trued to get Troy Murphy and he failed.

  10. BigBlueAL

    The only positive I will say about this trade is if the Knicks were planning on cutting someone to open up a roster spot I guess trading someone and at least getting a 2nd rd pick is better than nothing.

  11. Frank

    DRed: It might not even be likely that he’s good again this year or next year, but it’s more likely than the pick we got from Oklahoma giving us a player who is productive. That’s all I’m saying.

    Well, let’s see who we pick up with Ronnie’s roster spot. Because that’s really what this was all about. If it’s someone like Kenyon Martin, then I think Ronnie Brewer +2nd rounder for Kenyon is fine. we had to lose someone to pick up someone. And everyone else has some theoretical use on this team – Kurt because he’s really the only noninjured backup C, James White because he has a nonguaranteed 2nd year of his contract that could be trade bait this offseason. The other guys actually play. Ronnie didn’t.

  12. Frank

    And there it is – Yahoo reporting that the KNicks have signed Kenyon Martin to a 10 day contract. Good.

  13. jon abbey

    I still would have dropped Kurt in favor of Kenyon Martin, but very happy to see him on board. hopefully he’s ready to get minutes tomorrow, because man do they need him.

    so there must have been a Dallas/Denver game with half of our roster involved, right?

  14. Will the Thrill

    I hope Kenyon starts tomorrow at PF to see what he’s got left. I know Woodson would never let this happen though

  15. maxwell_3g

    only knicks fans could complain about trading away ronnie brewer…i like ronnie and am rooting for him (esopecially if he ends up guarding wade or james at times in the finals) but really??? we got him for nothing and he was never going to contribute for us. basically, we got a 2nd rounder for nothing. why not??

    i hear we signed kenyon. i guess im ok with that, but i prob would have preferred amundson, who in my estimation has been productive ore recently and has more atheticism at this point. but its not like we lost something in brewer

  16. maxwell_3g

    jon abbey:
    I still would have dropped Kurt in favor of Kenyon Martin, but very happy to see him on board. hopefully he’s ready to get minutes tomorrow, because man do they need him.

    so there must have been a Dallas/Denver game with half of our roster involved, right?

    i dont understand the desire to drip kurt. i admit that kurt (despite his PER), is not a good player at this point. he is way to slow and has not sent anyone to the ground this year, much to my chagrin. the problem is not kurt, its that we have so many injuries that woodson actually plays kurt. i can only assume that kurt is great in the locker room and also assume that woodson and grunwald gave him some assurances when he signed. he is fine to be a 12thor 13th man (hell, we had david wingate on our bench for several years in the ewing years) and obviously is a steadying force. the problem is our 8th, 9th, 10th, and 11th men whose performance and lack of health have actually created a situation where woody plays thomas

  17. yellowboy90

    Weird but OkC got the rights to Georgia Prin???? lol who the knicks had the draft rights to. Things just goes in circle in this league.

    Also, I would drop Thomas and try to sign Dont’e Greene or still try to get O’neal if he comes available. I do not trust Camby.

  18. Brian Cronin

    Frank asked about Jermaine O’Neal, who will almost certainly be bought out by the Suns now. Bought out players still have to clear waivers, so there is no guarantee O’Neal makes it to the Knicks (since he’s only making the vet minimum there is no large contract to keep teams from picking him up).

  19. Brian Cronin

    The return Orlando received for Redick was awful. They didn’t even get a draft pick, which they kept harping was the most important thing! Plus they had to deal Ayon! Really weird deal, unless Harris is a lot better than I think he is.

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