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Saturday, August 23, 2014

Robert and Jim Talk about Stuff

While we all wait for the doomsday clock to hit permanent midnight, Jim Cavan and Robert Silverman exchanged a series of e-missives on the state of the Knicks. Here, unedited, are the results. Enjoy…

 

ROBERT SILVERMAN

Oh God.

I’m depressed.

I’ve been depressed for three days, unceasingly. It’s a serious toxic funk, like Swinburne or Rimbaud on his foulest, most opium-soaked night.

You know how bad it is?

I spent a decent part of my lunch break at work thinking/wishing/fantasizing that Jason Kidd had died in his DWI so that the Knicks would be forced to match Houston’s offer sheet for Lin.

That’s sick, right?

That’s psychotic.

I’m at the point of wishing death upon a more or less (well, probably less) innocent man. I’ve been rooting for this team for thirty-plus years. I remember crying myself to sleep because they traded my favorite player, Bob McAdoo. I’ve hung on through Bernard’s knee imploding during a pointless game in Kansas City, the Charles Smith Game, John Starks’ game seven, the Charlie Ward incident, Ewing’s finger roll, and the surrealistic nightmare that is, was and will be Isiah Thomas and never thought seriously about packing up my emotional wares and getting the heck out of NBA dodge. But I might do it this time. I might buy as many hipster-y Brooklyn Nets tees as I can get my grubby hands on and never look back.

Talk me back from the ledge, Jim. Unless you want to join me. We can hold hands on the way down.

JIM CAVAN

I would, but I’m too busy responding to Tweets containing racist stuff like this, as if this kind of shit somehow serves as a compelling case. Unreal.

Fortunately for both of us, we’re not alone. The ship be sinkin’, but it be takin’ a lot of us down with it, together. What’s utterly fascinating to me, however, is that, according to a CBS pole, 59% of Knick fans polled said the wouldn’t match Houston’s offer sheet. Which either says all you need to know about the complex makeup of Knick fandom, or CBS needs to stop polling in Brooklyn.

A few minutes ago, Twitter broke its water with word that the Kings were on the verge of signing Aaron Brooks. Which means one less point guard that Houston could sign IF we decided to match the offer sheet. I don’t know about you, but after all Darryl Morey’s chicanery – legitimate and business-savvy though it no doubt was – I’d love nothing more than to wait until the eleventh hours, match the offer sheet, and leave Houston scrambling in a last minute, smog-drenched frenzy to sign Jonny Flynn to a multi-year, fully guaranteed contract.

ROBERT

I mean, that’s sounds bat-guano crazy, but, considering how pathologically stupid, petty, arrogant, vindictive and quixotic Madison Square Kremlin officials have behaved the last ten years, leaking word that they’re not going to match only to turn around at the last minute solely to keester Daryl Morey would certainly fit into their Nixonian (Knicksonian?) modus operandi.

The fact that they gave fewer than two shits that hundreds of thousands of Knick fans were left to twist in the wind for a few days while they orchestrated some kind of baroque revenge opera also would be par for the course.

That said, I’ve already moved into acceptance that this is going to happen. Granted, when it does, it’s going to hurt even worse, but there’s really nothing short of my long-discussed plan to track/stalk Guitar Jimmy and attend an AA meeting with him in the hopes that, over a styrofoam cup or two of sludge-like, burnt coffee, that he’d blurt out a teary testimonial claiming he’s matching would convince me otherwise. The last thing I need is to get my hopes up. There’s almost no point in making it worse with false optimism.

And yet, you seem to think otherwise? Do tell, why do you think thusly? Do you not realize that the universe is a chaotic, god-free, pointless miasma of doom and corruption? What medication are you on? What guru has led you astray?

And we (plural, not the editorial we) really need to get off the Twitter. If you don’t, I’m telling Mrs. Jim during our weekly gab-fest.

JIM

I don’t know, but my wife keeps telling me that Mercury is in retrograde. Which, I mean, I don’t even know what retrograde means. But she keeps saying that, when that happens, the ability to communicate goes out the window. For, like, weeks. Which would seem to jive pretty well with the John Hughesian high school drama that we currently find ourselves mired in.

It’s not that I “think otherwise.” And I certainly don’t “believe otherwise.” But I’ve always been something of a stubborn optimist, despite roughly 9000% of the evidence being in favor of expecting — and preparing yourself to properly deal with — how the world really works. Someone mentioned this earlier, and I think it might hold some merit, that this might actually be the straw that break’s the cash camel’s back. After the Melo acquisition sent ticket prices through the Garden’s fanned roof, there were pretty audible murmurings to the effect that he was marching towards a bridge too far. If he lets Lin go, and if the Knicks get off to even a mediocre start, I could see the place legit not selling out. Unlikely? Sure. But I think Dolan knows that, and might really see rebellion in the stars — a rebellion he knows he can stave off by doing what we both know he should do.

By the way, the answer to your question is “bath salts.” Don’t worry, though. We get them from the farmer’s market.

ROBERT

I’ve made this comparison before and it seems the apt moment to do so again. Being a Knick fan is like being a battered wife. (GIANT QUALIFYING STATEMENT: I am in no way, shape or form equating those two things. Being the victim of spousal abuse is far, far, far, far, far worse than whatever suffering stoopid Dolan has and will inflict. I’m merely comparing behavior patterns. It’s like discussing a stiff breeze and a tornado and stating that both involve wind. The latter is far more destructive. if anyone reading this has actually been beaten by someone they were with, I’m sorry and I in no way am attempting to minimalize or trivialize what you went through. Clear? Good.) Fans like you and I, for whom the emotional hooks are plunged in so deeply that the thought of extracting them seems fair more painful and organ-shredding than leaving them in, are preternaturally boned. Most of the time, our relationship with/marriage to this team is just sadness and misery and trips to the hospital where you claim that the bruises that pepper your face are there because you tripped and ran into a doorknob, but for a few brief moments, like Linsanity, you remember why you fell in love with this entity in the first place. And you forgive and rationalize away all the other moments of casual, thoughtless brutality, cruelty, enmity, and possibly worst of all, just plain indifference to anything and everything about you.

You have to hit rock bottom to finally realize that your world has narrowed to two, equally impossible and unpleasant choices — get out or die. Maybe this is it for Knick fans. Like I said, it might be for me. I’ve thought for awhile now that I have to find a form of fandom that doesn’t cost so much of my soul/emotional energy. that there has to be a way to root for the team without it being the be-all and the end-all here. But here, upon this bank and shoal of time. Is that even possible? Can you jump the life to come and be a fan without being a fanatic?

But whilst you ponder that larger, existential question, I’d like to return to a point you made earlier. 59%? How is that possible? Why can’t the quote-unquote “average fan” see what a mind-numbingly colossal mistake letting Lin go would (and probably will) be?

JIM

Obviously there are degrees of fandom, just as there are degrees of anything else in the universe. But we’ve tricked ourselves — through so many emotional betrayals and dastardly deals — that the shades of gray all border on black. Which is why, if you’re a Knick fan, I cannot fault you for hightailing it to the Nets. But that’s mostly because I know a fanatic wouldn’t.

Which gets us to the greater question at hand here, namely: Why do we invest so much — emotionally, financially, physically and, depending on the industry, sexually — in rooting for sports teams? Setting aside for a second the reams upon reams of studies that have no doubt been done to prove that it amounts to a colossal waste of time and resources, I would pose a slightly different picture: It’s because sports provides us an arena in which we can exercise our preternatural lust for competition. And, because, strictly speaking, sports don’t really mean anything in the grand scheme of things (outside of whatever economic universe it fosters, and the political ramifications therein). It’s war without the weapons; fighting without burying the fallen. It’s a way to both escape from the more important and pressing problems of the world, as well as an arena through which our competitive juices can be filtered so that those real world problems don’t become more violent, more irrational, and more senseless.

….And — in the words of Frank Drebin — where the hell was I? Oh right, the Knicks. Who are these 59%? I think a lot of them are the very die-hard fans we speak of. The only difference being that they look at turning down Lin’s deal as a way of exorcising the demons of frivolity that haunt our past, instead of a legitimate roll of the dice on youth, talent, and potential.

ROBERT

Fair enough. Not to go all Psych 101, but I think the a lot of fans are so traumatized that they’ll grasp at any straw/believe any conspiratorial, flimsy, or even contradictory rationale because the idea that they’re getting rochambeau’d (yet again, for the umpteenth time) is worse. I get that. Once upon a time, a very wise theater-person friend of mine said to me (when I was at a point of crisis)…

FRIEND OF BOB: Bob, reality is what you put your faith in. And I don’t mean that in a cliched, touchy-feely, “If you believe, anything is possible,” kind of way. I mean literally. Look at the stock market. It’s a construct entirely built on faith. There’s no there, there. Heck, look at this city [He gestures at the pedestrians trotting by the Brooklyn dive bar where we were chatting. Yes, this convo took place at a bar. I spent a lot of time in bars, pre-sobriety. Bars are neat.]. This city only exists because 8 million of us believe in it as a construct. You want to bring it to a total stop, a crashing halt? Tomorrow morning, no one goes to work. Every one just dances in the street. Gone.

BOB: Tom, I think they tried that in ‘Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee.’ It was the ghost dance. They tried dancing without ceasing to raise an army of dead warriors from their graves…

JIM: [interjecting] Can I make a joke about the Knicks bench here?

BOB: No. And stay out of my memories, Jim! So they did. They danced for three days without stopping, royally confusing the United States Army until finally the soldiers just got fed up and shot them all.

FRIEND OF BOB: Listen smart-ass, you’re missing the point, as usual.

I think I’ve out-Drebined you, Jim. What in the name of all that is good was my point? Oh yeah. Reality is what you put your faith in. It doesn’t matter that every statistical analysis imaginable says Lin is superior to Felton. If fans want to believe — to believe that a championship is possible, that they’re not getting the beyond fuzzy and possibly covered with toxic run off from the local refinery end of the lollipop, they will. Now why some of the more esteemed members of the elite sporting media seem to think this is the case is beyond me. Friend of the blog Jamie O’Grady said everything I’d like to say on said subject. Please feel free to leave this hardwood salon momentarily and read the whole piece. It’s right here. Also, if you’re feeling click-link-y, Messrs. Cavan, O’Grady, Litvin and myself vented webcastically about this self-same subject here. After you watch it, tell us how cute we look(ed).

JIM

The fact is, tomorrow is likely to be just like any other New Year’s Eve for Knick fans. Except the ball drops at 11:59 instead of 12, and on our heads instead of, you know, not. Going back for a second to the grand conspiracy theory of a spite-addled Dolan waiting until quite literally the last second before matching, a lot of people seem to think that this scenario is far beyond Dolan’s strategic capacity.

And maybe they’re right. But if the Knicks are willing to wait until the last minute — which they appear to be doing anyway– purely as its own “fuck you,” it’s not too far a leap further to believe they might actually walk back the last few day’s of hand-wringing. After all, given everything that’s happened, from Morey’s trickery to Kidd’s clear help cry, this would be a PR move that would pay immediate dividends for almost everyone involved.

There’s no way that Dolan’s braintrust hasn’t at least considered every conceivable economic scenario. Whether he follows the most rational of these projections is, of course, an entirely different matter altogether. But, as I’ve said many times, I thought the fact that they were at least waiting until the last minute to make their decision indicated a recognition on the part of someone that there would be time for cooler heads to prevail. For the first time since Isiah, Dolan has a GM who a) he trusts, and b) is, judging by his moves thus far, fairly competent. Over the next few hours, Glen will have his boss’s ear. It’ll be up to him to make sure what goes in doesn’t just tunnel through to the ether on the other side.

Call me crazy, but I say that, by tonight, Linsanity — after an unjust exile in NBA limbo — will come home.

ROBERT

And on that note of hope (The Oxford English Dictionary defines hope as: noun. pl. hopes (h?p) 1. A feeling of expectation and desire for a certain thing to happen. 2. Of all of fate’s cutlery, the sharpest knife. Most commonly found in one’s back), I think we’ll end this bit o’ sporting crossfire.

Tonight will come, mes gars. No matter what. Tonight will come.

[UPDATE: 2:30pm] Of course, what took us 2.4k words to burble out, was summarized in 1:25 of animated brilliance.

 

38 comments on “Robert and Jim Talk about Stuff

  1. chrisk06811

    I can live without J Lin. I can live without J Jordan. i can even get by without J Jeffires. But I can’t do it without you two guys. Please don’t stop. And please don’t get in the car w/ J Kidd. Or Billy Joel for that matter.

  2. Cousyfan

    Let’s bring in a little truth here.
    The difference between the first offer sheet (9 mil 3rd year) and the final offer (15 mil 3rd year) is 6 million US dollars.
    The Knicks are over the tax limit due to all the other payouts.
    Therefore, the money paid to Felton in the 3rd year is also taxable.
    So, the question is:- “Why pay Felton?”

    Do you guys get my drift?
    Cheers!

  3. Zach Horst

    Jim’s optimism is starting to engulf my body. I, too, believe Lin will come home tonight. I think there’s just too much to give up. Lin is one of the greatest stories in the history of the sport. Do it, do it, do it!

  4. Frank

    More optimism, this time from Hahn’s sulia account:

    “And now for the big story of the day: Jeremy Lin. The Knicks will announce a decision this evening regarding the decision on the offer sheet Lin signed with the Rockets. Though reports have indicated the team will pass, internally there has been no final decision made. There are too many factors outside of basketball that come into play in regards to Lin and all of these need to be considered.”

    Feels like coin-flipping time for Dolan and co.

  5. matte sideburns

    I’ll feel better if that decision is being announced at a Boys & Girls Club near Houston.

  6. Count de Pennies

    “Why do we invest so much — emotionally, financially, physically and, depending on the industry, sexually — in rooting for sports teams?”

    I’ll take a stab at this one.

    Sports is entertainment. At its purest, it’s one of the last remaining bastions of uncontrived drama extant. We live in an age in which our news media repackages everything – be it politics, economics, science – in the form of a narrative. Those who construct the day’s preferred narrative arcs are rarely concerned with presenting an accurate portrayal of events or communicating some higher truth (whatever that may be) Rather, like any competent dramatist, they cover the basics: plot, character, and, of course, a healthy dose of conflict.

    Anyone who has watched 10 minutes of ESPN knows that this is the case with what passes for sports reporting nowadays. However, once the players set foot on the turf, hardwood, field and the game begins all the predetermined narrative bullshit goes out the window. We may think we know what’s going to happen; Charles Barkley and Skip Bayless may have given us their spoilers in the pregame show – but we frequently wind up surprised anyway. That’s why I keep tuning in: the opportunity to watch an entertainment whose outcome has not been prescripted for maximum effect (although some would argue that’s no longer the case in David Stern’s NBA)

    Now, it’s possible to place sports in its proper context by recognizing it as an “entertainment” but that in no way helps us lessen our emotional attachment to it. Hell, we become emotionally invested in a play or movie during which our acquaintance with the characters rarely lasts more than two hours. Extrapolate that same level of emotional involvement out to the 40+ years I’ve spent following the Knicks and you’re talking about a psychic bond that defies any attempts at a rational justification.

    I’m sure there’s a much more nuanced response to Jim’s question but that’s as well as I can put it in under 2000…

  7. SangaD

    let Lin leave, our chemistry is more important than some youngster with a party bus behind him. Its back to BASICS with Ray Ray, class is in session !

  8. Hudson River

    I get the rational that Simmons and the Grantland staff and whoever else is using to say that you can quit on the Knicks, become a Nets fan, cheer on “the best backcourt in the nba”, but I just feel like it has to be said: it won’t be the same.

    Once you’ve given up faith in a team you can’t really ever come back the same way. Its like breaking up with somebody and hoping they get back together with you – even if they say yes, there is still usually a small piece of them that distrusts you, that holds you at arms length. You might not ever be able to see it, but you can never rule it out. Tread carefully Knick fans: your talk of jumping ship, if its sincere and not a manifestation of the pathological cynicism combined with Stockhold syndrome so often born by Knick fans, changes your relationship with this team forever. You considered walking out for a cuter girl, and you can’t undo that. Especially if it was because you want to root for Dwight.

    I would rather boycott the Knicks publicly and reclaim them from Dolan should he fail to sign Lin than change teams. In fact, I may well do that, but I still have a fleeting glimmer of hope that Grunweld can save the day. He’s probably the best player on our roster, other than Tyson.

  9. Thomas B.

    I think Stockholm syndrome is a better analogy than battered wife syndrome.

    “The fact is, tomorrow is likely to be just like any other New Year’s Eve for Knick fans. Except the ball drops at 11:59.”

    If they match that offer for that flash in the pan, they will have dropped the ball. They should have traded him after the Lakers game and spared us this mess. At least we’d then have a first round pick to send to Houston the next time we want to deal with them.

  10. Cousyfan

    Caleb read my post and answered it in the other thread, but he did not get my drift.
    So, here is the low-down.
    What is going on right now is NOT a matter of money, pure and simple.
    Some have touched on this.
    I am putting it front and center.
    Dolan is upset and angry at GG for not having made Lin an offer on July 1. So, it is an internal matter, an intra-office struggle.
    I do hope GG is not going to lose his job.
    Cheers!

  11. Count de Pennies

    Thomas B.:
    I think Stockholm syndrome is a better analogy than battered wife syndrome.

    I tend to think the explanation is more complex than what is described by either of those analogies.

    Does Stockholm syndrome or battered wife syndrome adequately explain the behavior of Cubs fans and their unshakable loyalty to a team who has not won a thing in over a century?

    I don’t think so. For the few Cubs fans of my acquaintance, the act of rooting for the Cubs is more about the very act of their remaining loyal. That their loyalty has been repaid with decades of incompetent on-field play and bad front office decisions is regarded by many of these folks as a badge of honor; something designed to test the mettle of their fanhood. I’ve often wondered what would happen if the Cubs ever did win a World Series. I suspect the resultant cognitive dissonance might kill off more than a few of ‘em.

    Now, I’m not saying that the identical considerations drive Knicks fans but I suspect there is some overlap. What else have we had, really, for the past two decades other than loyalty for loyalty’s sake to sustain us? The unceasing parade of catastrophe under Dolan – and the mordantly hilarious lore of gallows humor that it has spawned – is as much a part of our collective consciousness as titles and entitlement are to a Lakers fan. Maybe we don’t have quite as much fun as they do, but it’s not entirely devoid of pleasure either. Otherwise I would have stopped caring a long, long time ago.

  12. Thomas B.

    Count de Pennies: I tend to think the explanation is more complex than what is described by either of those analogies.

    Does Stockholm syndrome or battered wife syndrome adequately explain the behavior of Cubs fans and their unshakable loyalty to a team who has not won a thing in over a century?

    I don’t think so. For the few Cubs fans of my acquaintance, the act of rooting for the Cubs is more about the very act of their remaining loyal. That their loyalty has been repaid with decades of incompetent on-field play and bad front office decisions is regarded by many of these folks as a badge of honor; something designed to test the mettle of their fanhood. I’ve often wondered what would happen if the Cubs ever did win a World Series. I suspect the resultant cognitive dissonance might kill off more than a few of ‘em.

    Now, I’m not saying that the identical considerations drive Knicks fans but I suspect there is some overlap. What else have we had, really, for the past two decades other than loyalty for loyalty’s sake to sustain us? The unceasing parade of catastrophe under Dolan – and the mordantly hilarious lore of gallows humor that it has spawned – is as much a part of our collective consciousness as titles and entitlement are to a Lakers fan. Maybe we don’t have quite as much fun as they do, but it’s not entirely devoid of pleasure either. Otherwise I would have stopped caring a long, long time ago.

    zzzzzzzz

  13. BigBlueAL

    It’s weird because I used to think I was maybe a bit too obsessed with sports but after seeing the reactions to Lin possibly leaving I feel my love for sports is way more rational than I thought lol

    Sports for me is my favorite form of entertainment. Hell its really my only form of entertainment especially as I get older. Im obsessed with the Yankees and Knicks. I have a boatload of shirts and hats of those teams. I have almost every DVD made about them (you have no idea how many DVD sets featuring Yankee games there are lol). Every year I buy the NBA and MLB packages to be able to watch every Yankee and Knick game I possibly can (granted thats a function of living in Miami and not NY). I spend all my time online reading about them.

    I root like crazy for them when they are playing and losses sometimes ruin the rest of my day/night. But man I certainly dont take it as personal as many here are taking the possible Lin departure. I dont question why Im a fan, I just am because it is FUN for me. I dont worry much about why I root for the Knicks and dont ever plan on not doing so regardless of whatever stupidity Dolan continues doing. I dont question why I root for them and dont think too deeply about it, they were my favorite team as a little kid and thats it.

    I think in the end people forget why they fell in love with their favorite team and sport. I assume first and foremost its because sports and rooting for your favorite teams is FUN and a way to at times escape real life stuff which I know for me at times is real useful.

    Too simple??

  14. BigBlueAL

    BTW I dont question why people are fans. No right or wrong reason to me. I just hate seeing people here who seem like great guys and Ive had fun interacting with for the past 4 years talk about why are they even fans and questioning their fanhood and if they can even be fans of the Knicks anymore if they let Lin leave.

  15. Cousyfan

    As for J. Kidd, who was Bob Cousy’s mentor, who was Steve Nash’s mentor, who was ‘Clyde’s’ mentor?
    Why does Jeremy Lin need a mentor?
    Jeremy Lin is a high-tempo point guard.
    He is a one-of-a-kind, first-time animal in the NBA.
    That is why nobody understands him, and nobody knows how to use him. Not even D’antoni. Woody will have a hard time figuring out how to use Jeremy.
    Hubie Brown said on TV, “People say Jeremy Lin cannot go left. He is going left right now all the way to the rim, and making a lefthanded layup.”
    Jeremy had just gotten by Kidd on the left when Kidd pulled him down by his hair.
    I have observed that because his defender shades Jeremy to his right, Jeremy scoots by on the left much faster than he does on the right.
    As for the Heat game before the ASB, Jeremy Lin was not ‘Exposed.’ The entire Knicks team was ‘Exposed.’
    When the entire Heat team was clogging the paint, the other Knicks players were just standing around watching instead of running to the open spaces.
    One last point about Jeremy Lin’s TO’s.
    At least half of those TO’s were due to the other players not expecting the passes, and Tyson having only one hand available.
    It takes a lot of playing together for the other players to get used to getting a quick pass from an unexpected place and angle.
    That is my rant for today.
    Cheers!

  16. Count de Pennies

    Thomas B.: zzzzzzzz

    Based on the many other comments I’ve read over the past few days, you appear to be the only whose been able to get any sleep around here.

    Glad I was able to help.

  17. Z

    Count de Pennies:

    Does Stockholm syndrome or battered wife syndrome adequately explain the behavior of Cubs fans and their unshakable loyalty to a team who has not won a thing in over a century?

    I don’t think so. For the few Cubs fans of my acquaintance, the act of rooting for the Cubs is more about the very act of their remaining loyal.

    I can address this, as I have spent as much of my life rooting for the Cubs as I have the Knicks. For every Charles Smith missed layup, the Cubs have a ground ball rough Leon Durham’s legs; for every Ewing missed finger roll, the Cubs have a Steve Bartman.

    The Cubs even had their version of Linsanity back in 1998 when a 20 year old Kerry Wood struck out 20 Astros in one game. He promptly tore his elbow and missed his entire sophomore season, never dominating again.

    But the Cubs never frustrated me the way the Knicks have in the Dolan era. The management has been horrific, which makes it difficult to be more than just a casual fan.

    All that said, I effectively stopped following baseball three years ago. It wasn’t out of frustration with never winning a title. Baseball just became too time consuming and I realized, as soon as I took a sabbatical from it, that I didn’t miss it. Now I see a baseball game on and I look at it like it’s cricket or rugby– totally foreign that I don’t understand the attraction to.

    I feel like this is a realization I’m about to make about basketball too. That as soon as I gain a little distance, a little perspective, I won’t like what I see.

    I kind of welcome it. It’ll be nice to have my time back.

  18. Robert Silverman Post author

    Thomas B.:

    If they match that offer for that flash in the pan, they will have dropped the ball.They should have traded him after the Lakers game and spared us this mess.At least we’d then have a first round pick to send to Houston the next time we want to deal with them.

    Sorry if I’m being dense but was that sarcasm?

  19. Z

    BigBlueAL:
    BTW I dont question why people are fans.No right or wrong reason to me.I just hate seeing people here who seem like great guys and Ive had fun interacting with for the past 4 years talk about why are they even fans and questioning their fanhood and if they can even be fans of the Knicks anymore if they let Lin leave.

    I get this, Al. But it’s not just Lin. I kept at it during the Layden years and the Isiah years, only to have Walsh come in, build a team worth rooting for for about 3 months before Carmelo Anthony came and reset the plunge. I liked Gallinari. I liked Fields. I like Lin. I don’t like JR Smith. I don’t like Carmelo Anthony. I don’t like Dolan. I don’t like the way the league is run. I don’t like the fact that there are corrupt referees that have limitless discretion in determining outcomes. I don’t like that the owners that locked out the players because they didn’t have the money to pay them are now right bak to making ridiculous offers to marginal players.

    Basically I don’t like anything about the Knicks, or the NBA at all right now, except for this blog. It seems silly to stick around, though, just to hear people that I like complain about James Dolan. That would be too much like a recovering drunk continuing to hang out in the same bars he used to. It’s just not a very good idea.

    But I’m not the first KBer to hang ‘em up. Ted Nelson left a few years ago. Owen is all but gone these days too. Ben R. Has had one foot out the door for a while now. It took a new level of James Dolan hubris to get Caleb posting here again. Mike K. Doesn’t even seem to care all that much about this team anymore other than his robo-generated news montage every morning.

    So, yeah. It sucks, but that’s about par for this team.

  20. Frank

    Sh*t.

    Beck just tweeted that Lin will be a Rocket. Beck does not kid around. It’s over.

  21. BigBlueAL

    Beck tweeting that decision has been made and Lin will be a Rocket. Odd considering the MSG broadcast right now is talking about all the reasons the Knicks should keep Lin. Very odd.

  22. Jafa

    Cousyfan:
    Let’s bring in a little truth here.
    The difference between the first offer sheet (9 mil 3rd year) and the final offer (15 mil 3rd year) is 6 million US dollars.
    The Knicks are over the tax limit due to all the other payouts.
    Therefore, the money paid to Felton in the 3rd year is also taxable.
    So, the question is:- “Why pay Felton?”

    Do you guys get my drift?
    Cheers!

    +1

  23. Jafa

    SangaD:
    let Lin leave, our chemistry is more important than some youngster with a party bus behind him. Its back to BASICS with Ray Ray, class is in session !

    How long have you been a Knicks fan? Some of us here have endured losing and bad contracts for bad players for years and would like to win and see a bad contract for a good player for once.

  24. BigBlueAL

    Hahn/Breen/Clyde have spent entire broadcast so far basically talking about how and why the Knicks should keep Lin. This whole this is just so odd.

  25. Z

    Yeesh.

    Well, I guess I’m glad I didn’t waste time writing my resignation for nothing…

  26. DRed

    BigBlueAL:
    Beck tweeting that decision has been made and Lin will be a Rocket.Odd considering the MSG broadcast right now is talking about all the reasons the Knicks should keep Lin.Very odd.

    It’s almost as if MSG was run by a fucking moron.

  27. Zanzibar

    Knicks will re-sign Lin but not for the reason you think. All of this marketing hype around Lin’s legendary revenue-generating capability was just a smokescreen concealing the real mother lode. Our FO just shot an air ball on Grant Hill for the umpteenth time. Do y’all realize that had we signed Hill we would have had 4 of the 5 oldest players in the league on our team. I’m sure we could have then signed-and-traded a youthful Bibby to Miami for Juwan Howard to then be able to put the 5 oldest players in the league on the same team on the court at the same time. Bah, who cares about a chip when you can etch the Knicks in stone in the Guinness Book of World Records. The 56yo Dolan was clearly targeting the most profitable demographic of all: wealthy Baby Boomers. What a surefire financial bonanza, like taking Camby from a Kidd. And just some minor tweaking to accommodate the strategy: Knicks go from the Orange and Blue to the Orange and Blue and Grey. Alas, signing Grant was once again too big a hill to climb so Knicks will now have to fall back on Lin.

  28. Thomas B.

    Count de Pennies: Based on the many other comments I’ve read over the past few days, you appear to be the only whose been able to get any sleep around here.

    Glad I was able to help.

    +1

  29. Jafa

    Knicks front office is now officially on the hot seat. If they don’t advance far in the playoffs this year and Lin plays well in Houston, they will hear it over and over again about this decision – probably a lot more than with the Melo trade.

  30. Thomas B.

    Robert Silverman: Sorry if I’m being dense but was that sarcasm?

    No, I am serious.

    I wanted them to trade him while his stock was high because I didn’t think they would be able to match the offer to him. I figure lets just get something from him now because we won’t have his early bird rights. I do think he is a flash in the pan. I don’t think he will ever play at the “Linsanity” level again, maybe for a game or two he can, but that aint worth 25 million. Not sure why they didnt offer him something right away like they did with Novak. That told me something about what they think of him right away.

    I don’t know what it is, but something tells me this is the right move. No wait, I know what it is. It was his awful play against Eastern Conference playoff teams and how poorly he fits with the rest of the roster. I think he kept himself shut down so he wouldn’t be further exposed against Miami and cost himself more money.

    Maybe I’ve become a cynic after all these years of following this team.

  31. SangaD

    ive been down since 81, my dad is Jamaican and he been a knick fan since the seventies, so when Patrick came along the family took a blood oath.

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