Owen:
I generally hate watching college bball, but tuning into Indiana-Michigan State. I like this Oladipo character. Would have been a nice guy to get with a draft pick if Shump were actually worth a lottery pick…. (which I don’t think he is, but that was the rumor when Phoenix was a rumoured trade partner.)

Not sure how many steals he has tonight, but it’s a bunch, andOladipo definitely has the look of a future NBA steals leader and first team all defense player….

And that seems off-topic, but point being there are guys like Shump in the draft…

Oladipo is up to 5th on Chad Ford’s draft board already, and may go even higher in the end a la Russell Westbrook. I am allergic to watching a full Big 10 game, but the highlights from him last night were otherworldly.

I dunno about that. I like Bradley a lot too but I would definitely not say that he’s a better offensive player than Shumpert. As a “true” point guard, he has a career assist% of 10.3 whereas Shump’s last year was 50% higher (15.6). Shumpert is also A LOT bigger (6’5? 212lbs vs. 6’2? 180 lbs) meaning he can probably credibly guard even the fastest points (like D-Rose), SGs, and most SFs. Bradley would get killed trying to guard most 3?s if they tried to post him up.

Not that Shump is playing that well as a 3 right now, but I think I’d still take a healthy Shump over a healthy Bradley.

I have no problem with discounting much of Shump’s struggles so far to recovering from his major injury, the same as Bradley, so I wouldn’t put too much stake in this season for either guy.

Last year, though, they both played the whole year and Bradley had better defensive numbers (Bradley had some of the best defensive numbers in the entire NBA, right?) and Bradley had a 55% TS to Shump’s 48.4%.

But yeah, it is fair to note that Shump had a better assist rate. It certainly isn’t like Bradley just blows Shump out of the water.

By the way, I forgot that Bradley was drafted a year before Shump, so Shump’s contract is better. That does make the theoretical trade iffier.

Brian Cronin: I think when both players are healthy, Bradley is the better defender and is also more of a “true” point guard.

But yeah, they’re roughly the same player. I just think Bradley is slightly better. And since age and contract is the same for both guys, I’d trade Shump for Bradley.

I dunno about that. I like Bradley a lot too but I would definitely not say that he’s a better offensive player than Shumpert. As a “true” point guard, he has a career assist% of 10.3 whereas Shump’s last year was 50% higher (15.6). Shumpert is also A LOT bigger (6’5″ 212lbs vs. 6’2″ 180 lbs) meaning he can probably credibly guard even the fastest points (like D-Rose), SGs, and most SFs. Bradley would get killed trying to guard most 3′s if they tried to post him up.

Not that Shump is playing that well as a 3 right now, but I think I’d still take a healthy Shump over a healthy Bradley.

Opponents averaged 0.84 points per possession when guarded by Shumpert
Opponents averaged 0.74 points per possession when guarded by Bradley

Opponents guarded by Shumpert averaged 40% from the field.
Opponents guarded by Bradley averaged 34% from the field.

I think when both players are healthy, Bradley is the better defender and is also more of a “true” point guard.

But yeah, they’re roughly the same player. I just think Bradley is slightly better. And since age and contract is the same for both guys, I’d trade Shump for Bradley.

Brian Cronin: Yes.

I know why you feel this way, but nothing in the stats, advanced or otherwise, wouls suggest that this is a good deal.

just saw a report on realgm.com that claims that the the nuggets turned down a roy (expiring deal, nonguaranteed next year) and a first rounder for mozgov??!!! i must be missing something. moz is on the last year of his deal. why would the nuggets turn this down (assuming the report has some validity)??

Minny’s own first rounder? If so, then yeah, that’s weird. It really depends on whose first rounder it is. I wouldn’t trade Mozgov for just a late first rounder. Although they mentioned that Denver doesn’t plan on bringing Mozgov back. If that’s true, then yeah, take whatever you can get for him.

For argument’s sake, would you trade Shump straight up for Avery Bradley.

Yes.

I admit being partial to Shumpert (the record will show that I was the first to lobby for him here pre-draft) and I think he will be an impact player once he sorts some things out. His shooting is not universally poor, he actually has shot relatively well from 3 for his last 43 games (38 for 104 since last year’s all-star break, 36.5%) that’s a pretty good sample size. He’s historically a good FT shooter (80% as a rookie, 80% in his last year in college, so far 7-12 this year, should improve.) So I think to conclude that he will never be a good offensive player is a bit premature. And sure, he has some defensive weaknesses like any rookie, and he may not immediately regain the athleticism he had pre-injury. Shump’s stock was pretty high before he got hurt, and he seems to have a great work ethic. I’m hoping that this Redick stuff is just typical trade deadline noise and that Shump uses it a motivation.

Blech.