RECAP: Knicks 89, Pistons 85

Detroit Pistons 85 Final

Recap | Box Score

89 New York Knicks
Kenyon Martin, PF 30 MIN | 2-4 FG | 2-2 FT | 7 REB | 5 AST | 1 STL | 2 BLK | 1 TO | 6 PTS | +3Kenyon played the Tyson role well, while also continuing to display an excellent passing ability which has lately made for a valuable offensive weapon — and a new angle to our team’s center spot. That, combined with his strong work on the boards — which included the game-saving tip out to Carmelo Anthony off a missed free throw — means another solid mark for K-Mart.

Andrea Bargnani, PF 32 MIN | 6-13 FG | 0-0 FT | 11 REB | 1 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 13 PTS | +17Andrea was cooking in the first quarter, scoring nine points on 4-6 from the floor. His shooting eventually regressed, but throughout the game he displayed tons of effort, particularly on the boards. ‘Drea didn’t get a chance to play in the fourth and was victimized by having to play alongside Melo & STAT at the same time for a lengthy stretch, yet finished a team-high +17 and looked quite spry. It was fun to watch.

Carmelo Anthony, SF 39 MIN | 13-24 FG | 2-4 FT | 4 REB | 2 AST | 4 STL | 1 BLK | 2 TO | 34 PTS | +10Melo was ablaze tonight, jacking up catch-and-shoot threes that brought along flashbacks from that 2013 season where the Knicks were, like, good and stuff. Ah, the 2013 season. I remember it as if it were a year ago.

Anyway. More impressively, Anthony did WORK on the defensive end, finishing with four steals and a bunch of deflections as well. Wonderful game all around.

Raymond Felton, PG 31 MIN | 4-9 FG | 3-4 FT | 2 REB | 6 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 4 TO | 12 PTS | +10Okay, there WERE some positives. He looked as quick and agile as pre-injury Raymond Felton, not sluggish at all really. He also shot decently, you could say. There was that.

On the other hand, he committed two BIG turnovers in the final minutes. Did Woodson HAVE to play him? Did the inbounder/rebounder HAVE to pass him the ball? Context, people.

Iman Shumpert, SG 29 MIN | 2-8 FG | 1-1 FT | 6 REB | 5 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 5 PTS | +16Shump’s shooting was bound to regress — it’s simple math. How he responded, however, was going to be an interesting storyline to follow tonight. Especially after he picked up a couple of fouls early in the first and sat out the rest of the quarter. He ended up making big defensive plays and crashing the glass seemingly by the minute.

Amar’e Stoudemire, PF 24 MIN | 3-9 FG | 3-6 FT | 5 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 9 PTS | -4He had one nice spin baseline for a reverse dunk. Pretty much everything else was awful.

Beno Udrih, PG 8 MIN | 0-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 0 PTS | -5Beno had an off shooting night, but was able to create a good amount out of the pick and roll. Aaaaaaaaand he still can’t defend. If only the Knicks had a point guard who could do tha-

Toure’ Murry, SG 4 MIN | 1-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 2 PTS | -5OH HEY, TOURE’! Glad you could join u- 4 minutes?!?! AHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Tim Hardaway Jr., SG 13 MIN | 0-4 FG | 2-2 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 2 PTS | -12He’s really of no use if he can’t shoot and isn’t leaking out in transition. Luckily, these circumstances have become pretty rare. Because, you know, he’s barely playing. Because, you know, J.R. Smith.

J.R. Smith, SG 30 MIN | 2-6 FG | 1-1 FT | 0 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 6 PTS | -10He threw away two passes in the early stages of the fourth and shot pretty poorly, even though his overall shot selection wasn’t bad. What really made this a terrible game from J.R., though, was the lack of rebounds on a night where the Knicks needed all five guys hitting the glass.

Jeremy Tyler, PF DNP COACH’S DECISION MIN | FG | FT | REB | AST | STL | BLK | TO | PTS | Are we going to see this guy, ever?

Tyson Chandler, C DNP UPPER RESPIRATORY INFECTION MIN | FG | FT | REB | AST | STL | BLK | TO | PTS | Missed the game due to an upper respiratory infection. Which means he either missed the game due to a cold or Ebola. It’s probably Ebola.

Mike Woodson
The Pros:
1. Put Shump on the opposing point guard for stretches.
2. Played JR Smith for less then 30 minutes (by a second).
The Cons:
The I Really Don’t Know:
Bargnani was benched for the entire fourth quarter (basically). He’s been a net negative as a player for the Knicks all year round, even when shooting well. With him on the pine Melo was at the four — which is usually great. It wasn’t tonight. Bargnani had 11 rebounds through three quarters, and the Knicks allowed 7 offensive boards in the final period. In hindsight, it seems as if benching Andrea was a bad move, especially since JR played in his place. But, I would have probably done the same thing.

Four Things We Saw

  1. The Knicks really sucked in the fourth quarter, and this game just strengthened that fact. The Knicks are 26th in the league in fourth quarter +/- per 100 possessions, the main culprit being boneheaded plays and stagnation that makes Manhattan gridlock look like a NASCAR event. Detroit outscored the Knicks 27-16 in the final period, Detroit being the team (if you didn’t know) that has lost six of their last seven games and lets Josh Smith shoot threes. The Knicks had a slew of isolations down the stretch of this ball game, and also managed to give the ball away 8 times in the fourth alone, compared to six in the three quarters prior. It’s unacceptable to allow a team like the Pistons to stage a late game comeback, but then again the Knicks’ Texas trip might have made me forget that this team does this all the time.
  2. As mentioned before, the Melo-Bargnani-STAT lineup played 13 freakin’ minutes tonight. It really just has to die. Prior to this contest, said lineup has been outscored by 21.6 points per 100 possessions, yet is incredibly still seen on a nightly basis. Play Murry more, go small more, sign Stephen Jackson, whatever. It’s terrible and needs to stop. The spacing is shot and the defense – aided by who other than Beno Udrih, JR Smith or Tim Hardaway Jr. being on the court with them – is one of the worst in the league.
  3. The Pistons gave the Knicks a lot of looks in the second quarter that really just weren’t falling, so I was hoping this would be a tiny test for a team that’s seemingly changed thanks to a trip to the Lone-Star state that would be resolved by playing tough defense and getting easy scores in transition to combat the rough shooting. And I was right! For a bit. The Knicks had a major 15-0 run in the third, taking a commanding 17-point lead and then… The fourth quarter. But a win is a win right? I don’t know. It’s the PISTONS. Perhaps that three-game swing raised my standards for this Knicks squad too high, but I didn’t shut my TV off too thrilled tonight. But it could have been much worse, and the team was energetic for the majority of the night. So now we wait and see.
  4. I found this today and… um… wow:
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David Vertsberger considers himself a precocious neophyte, writing for ESPN TrueHoop site HawksHoop as well as Hickory-High. A member of the younger generation of Knickerbocker fans, his fondest memories of years past have been the trade for Larry Hughes and Nate Robinson scoring 41 following a month-long benching.

9 thoughts to “RECAP: Knicks 89, Pistons 85”

  1. Nice recap. I think it’s safe to say this is not Woodson’s finest season of coaching. The rotations continue to be baffling and down right stupid at times. Sitting Bargnani for the 4th quarter when he’s playing we’ll? JR playing 30 minutes and Murry only 4? Seriously, WTF Woody?

  2. I was listening on the radio and they said Shump and JR was playing some point, why do that when you have Murry

  3. you guys can’t see the forest thru the trees. We are UNDEFEATED since JR started untying peoples shoes. I hope he gives Chris Anderson a pants drop Thurs.

    that’s actually a really good idea because chris anderson would kill him.

  4. This is an odd recap. I mean, more Bargnani? Really? But, not with Stat? This summer I was resolved to reserve judgement on him but no more. This guy should never play. I don’t care if he gets hot with the J or some caroms come to him. Ditto Stat and JR. These guys have to sit and play spot minutes until they prove they can contribute consistently. At least JR can play both ends but, unfortunately, when I watch him play I see Michael Ray Richardson. Maybe if we could trade him somewhere and get a Bernard King back we might be in business. Then he can bottom out and finish his career in Italy. Maybe on the same team as Andrea.

  5. heard JR is on the trading block, but will there be any takers at that price point with those numbers? Also, read somewhere that Larry Brown mentioned Woodson has direct lines of communication with Dolan, maybe that is why he is still around

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