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Tuesday, July 22, 2014

Rasheed Wallace to Have Surgery on Left Foot, Out At Least 8 Weeks

According to Alan Hahn (and many others):

Knicks say Rasheed Wallace had x-rays on his [injured left] foot, which showed progression to fractured fifth metatarsal. He will have surgery.

He’ll be out for at least 8 weeks, which means he’s done for the regular season. I would bet dollars to donuts that he won’t be ready for the postseeason, but I guess there’s a chance!

Wow, this sucks.

Tip of the hat to Frank for the head’s up!

(NOTE: Hahn wrote right foot originally, but he has since corrected it)

40 comments on “Rasheed Wallace to Have Surgery on Left Foot, Out At Least 8 Weeks

  1. jon abbey

    and I guess the answer is NO, idiotic IMO:

    @ByNateTaylor: The Knicks will keep Rasheed Wallace on their roster. Team says it’s possible he could play in the playoffs.

  2. Brian Cronin

    If they realistically believe that he can return for the playoffs, I can understand how they wouldn’t be willing to give up on him just yet. After all, just as a floor spacer alone he was really valuable.

  3. Frank

    lol check this tweet out from TommyBeer at Hoopsworld. LBJ is just amazing.

    @TommyBeer: Over the past month, Lebron has a high FG% than Tyson Chandler, higher 3PT% than Steph Curry & Ray Allen, & higher FT% than CP3

  4. flossy

    Brian Cronin:
    If they realistically believe that he can return for the playoffs, I can understand how they wouldn’t be willing to give up on him just yet. After all, just as a floor spacer alone he was really valuable.

    I’m not sure taking 8.4 3FGA per 36 and shooting only .324 is that valuable…

  5. Nick C.

    Sheed was found money so nothing lost so to speak. I am appalled at the way this devolved. All these months later and they now discover he has a fracture??? Did they botch the treatment and not keep him off his feet? For all those defenders of the Knicks medical staff this is pretty pathetic or disingenuous.

  6. Frank

    Rasheed’s effect on the defense is for real though – considering he played about 80% of his minutes with Novak and only ~20% of them with Tyson, the fact that the Knicks D allowed only 1.01 PPP while he was on the floor is pretty impressive.

  7. Frank

    btw if we were to drop Sheed, who is worth picking up? Delonte West with obviously bad effect on locker rooms? no thanks.

  8. thenamestsam

    Nick C.:
    Sheed was found money so nothing lost so to speak. I am appalled at the way this devolved. All these months later and they now discover he has a fracture??? Did they botch the treatment and not keep him off his feet? For all those defenders of the Knicks medical staff this is pretty pathetic or disingenuous.

    Seems like the situation was basically they hoped it would heal without surgery given time and rest. That hasn’t worked so now he needs surgery. What is a mystery to me is what they felt they were gaining by not just saying that from the beginning.

  9. flossy

    Brian Cronin:
    It is when you combine it with his strong defense.

    Oh I’m not denying his defensive impact. The “floor spacing” I could have done without. Sure he can hit ~1/3 of his 3s, but he was sort of a black hole who chucked at every opportunity. Half of his attempts could have been replaced by an extra pass and it would have been better.

  10. flossy

    thenamestsam: Seems like the situation was basically they hoped it would heal without surgery given time and rest. That hasn’t worked so now he needs surgery. What is a mystery to me is what they felt they were gaining by not just saying that from the beginning.

    Or why they didn’t check up on this prior to the trade deadline, when it would have actually made a difference?

  11. Frank

    thenamestsam: What is a mystery to me is what they felt they were gaining by not just saying that from the beginning.

    I love all the non-medical folk here with zero access to any real information about Sheed basically thinking this is like a CIA black-op. This is a foot. You can’t x-ray a foot every day. if he doesn’t have pain and is making progress in rehab, it’s good. If he has new pain or persistent pain, you re-x-ray it. When a new x-ray shows a setback, you report a setback. if a stress reaction has turned into a fracture, oh well, you’ve got a fracture. this is not like baking a cake where you put 1 cup of this and 1/2 cup of that and set to 350 and 30min later you have a cake. There’s no ulterior motive here for pete’s sake.

    and people wonder why Dolan has such a tight media policy. he has it because in NYC, there are 1000000 people that will take any 3 letters and turn it into a conspiracy theory.

  12. DRed

    Frank: I love all the non-medical folk here with zero access to any real information about Sheed basically thinking this is like a CIA black-op.This is a foot.You can’t x-ray a foot every day. if he doesn’t have pain and is making progress in rehab, it’s good. If he has new pain or persistent pain, you re-x-ray it. When a new x-ray shows a setback, you report a setback.if a stress reaction has turned into a fracture, oh well, you’ve got a fracture.this is not like baking a cake where you put 1 cup of this and 1/2 cup of that and set to 350 and 30min later you have a cake.There’s no ulterior motive here for pete’s sake.

    and people wonder why Dolan has such a tight media policy. he has it because in NYC, there are 1000000 people that will take any 3 letters and turn it into a conspiracy theory.

    Also because he’s a micromanaging, meddling douchebag who doesn’t want people criticizing his inept ownership.

  13. KnickFanInCelticLand

    Frank: I love all the non-medical folk here with zero access to any real information about Sheed basically thinking this is like a CIA black-op.This is a foot.You can’t x-ray a foot every day. if he doesn’t have pain and is making progress in rehab, it’s good. If he has new pain or persistent pain, you re-x-ray it. When a new x-ray shows a setback, you report a setback.if a stress reaction has turned into a fracture, oh well, you’ve got a fracture….

    and people wonder why Dolan has such a tight media policy. he has it because in NYC, there are 1000000 people that will take any 3 letters and turn it into a conspiracy theory.

    Well, I am a “medical folk” and I treat sports medicines injuries. I have done so for Olympians, world record holders, profesional athletes. Here’s my quick take as best as it can be without any medical info. I at least know that it is a 5th metatarsal we are talking about and previously called a stress reaction (which actuallt IS a fracture). This usually occur in the part of the bone closest to the ball of the foot. This type heals 99.9% of the time with conservative care. If the stress reaction/fracture is at the other end of the bone, it will need surgery 99.9% of the time as this location causes an unstable fracture. If the inury was this type and they waited all these weeks to do what was inevitable, some bad decisions were made. No conspiracy, just bad medical care.

  14. Owen

    I feel a detailed analysis of Jermaine O’neal coming on. Is he a guy we could pick up through waivers or some-such device?

    It is good to be the king right now, LBJ has been pretty amazing. It looked for a moment like Durant was ready to join him on top of the mountain, but not yet.

    And he got his end of the bench energy guy in Chris Anderson while we scrounge.

    BTW, his layup lineup dunk the other night was pretty sick.

  15. yellowboy90

    Owen:
    I feel a detailed analysis of Jermaine O’neal coming on. Is he a guy we could pick up through waivers or some-such device?

    It is good to be the king right now, LBJ has been pretty amazing. It looked for a moment like Durant was ready to join him on top of the mountain, but not yet.

    And he got his end of the bench energy guy in Chris Anderson while we scrounge.

    BTW, his layup lineup dunk the other night was pretty sick.

    No. I think his daughter is going through some medical issues so he wants to stay in Phx. I think I read that last week

  16. DRed

    Lebron apparently ran a 4.6 40 this summer. I wonder if he’d like to play for the Jets?

    O’Neal has definitely said he plans to finish out the season in Phoenix. Is it possible for us to bring in a big man from Europe at this point in the season?

  17. flossy

    yellowboy90: No. I think his daughter is going through some medical issues so he wants to stay in Phx. I think I read that last week

    Also, Phoenix hasn’t waived him, so…

  18. johnno

    DRed: Lebron apparently ran a 4.6 40 this summer

    I would be stunned if LeBron couldn’t run significantly faster than a 4.6. There were linemen who ran that fast at the combine…

  19. Donnie Walsh

    Frank: …and people wonder why Dolan has such a tight media policy. he has it because in NYC, there are 1000000 people that will take any 3 letters and turn it into a conspiracy theory.

    There’s no conspiracy theory to be had if information is clear and honest. A culture of transparency would quell those “100000 people” completely, any PR professional would agree.

    But, of course, Dolan doesn’t listen to professionals, which is why you have the 2000-2015 NYKincks.

  20. ruruland

    johnno: I would be stunned if LeBron couldn’t run significantly faster than a 4.6.There were linemen who ran that fast at the combine…

    Uh, I think the fastest a lineman has ever run at the combine is 4.69.

    270 pound 4.6 is pretty good, better than a lot of 250 pound linebackers in the combine.

    I’m sure he could get it down to 4.4 or below if he trained.

    He would be amazing in agility drills. He’d be Calvin Johnson with higher standing reach, longer wingspan,higher vertical and better ball-skills, likely much more difficult to tackle in the open field.

    http://tracking.si.com/2013/02/27/heat-james-ran-40-in-4-6-seconds/

  21. Frank

    ruruland: He would be amazing in agility drills. He’d be Calvin Johnson with higher standing reach, longer wingspan,higher vertical and better ball-skills, likely much more difficult to tackle in the open field.

    Yeah, Lebron would be a “game-over” sort of player in the red zone at the very least. Just throw it up and 10 Darrelle Revises couldn’t keep him from catching it without pass interference. And just imagining him lining up as a slot receiver and being covered by a safety or a linebacker is just ridiculous.

    KnickFanInCelticLand: Well, I am a “medical folk” and I treat sports medicines injuries. … I at least know that it is a 5th metatarsal we are talking about and previously called a stress reaction (which actuallt IS a fracture). This usually occur in the part of the bone closest to the ball of the foot. This type heals 99.9% of the time with conservative care. If the stress reaction/fracture is at the other end of the bone, it will need surgery 99.9% of the time as this location causes an unstable fracture. If the inury was this type and they waited all these weeks to do what was inevitable, some bad decisions were made. No conspiracy, just bad medical care.

    this is exactly the kind of post I was hoping to get — someone who actually knows something. And someone who can give some credible detail about how a “Stress reaction” can mean many different things and have different prognoses despite the name “stress reaction”. And I hear what you’re saying about one end or the other of the metatarsal, but what if it’s not at the end but in the middle? or 1/3 way in? Lots of subtlety in most injuries.

  22. Frank

    Donnie Walsh: There’s no conspiracy theory to be had if information is clear and honest. A culture of transparency would quell those “100000 people” completely, any PR professional would agree.

    OK so what would you like? a 60 min powerpoint presentation on stress reactions, data on stress reaction recovery in normal people, a dissertation on the lack of data on how stress reactions recover in people who are 6’11″? Because there’s no end to what “transparency” means. There’s always another level of detail that one could go into.

    Or one could say “he’s got a stress reaction and we hope it’s day to day but it could be longer”. And skip the dissertation.

    anyway, regarding injuries, there’s “need to know” and there’s “want to know”. I’m pretty sure beat writers and fans reading about an injury are in the “want to know” category. In all honesty, I’m sort of surprised that players’ health information is just passed around like this with zero repercussions. Results of CT scans, MRIs, etc. are tweeted out. I’m sure there is some release re: HIPAA in the uniform player contract I would guess.

  23. jon abbey

    Owen:

    It is good to be the king right now, LBJ has been pretty amazing. It looked for a moment like Durant was ready to join him on top of the mountain, but not yet.

    no, it didn’t. maybe for people who largely ignore the defensive end because it’s harder to quantify/put too much stock in first half results, but never in reality. and Durant is awesome.

  24. Frank

    last thing on this “transparency” business. As far as I’m concerned, there is no correlation between being “transparent” and being a well-run organization. It so happens that the least “transparent” organization in the NBA (ours) is not a particularly well run franchise (until the last year+ IMHO). But in football? least transparent = the Patriots. They seem to be pretty good. Head coach that says the most about everything? Rex Ryan of the Jets – total clown show (and I’m a Jets fan) of an organization.

    The only thing transparency affects is how happy the beat writers and fans are about that particular thing the team is being transparent or un-transparent about. And at the end of the day, if the team is winning, nothing else matters anyway.

  25. Frank

    BigBlueAL:
    I wouldve preferred Curry and Jack being suspended tonight rather than Lee lol.

    if it makes you feel any better, with Lee on the floor the Ws are a +2 per 100poss – with him off, they’re a -5.

    And Steph Curry has a TS of 58 with Lee, 52 without.

  26. ephus

    Three thoughts:

    1. With Sheed out for at least 8 more weeks, it is even more important that Camby come back healthy for the playoffs. I would favor resting him longer, if necessary, to make sure he is ready for the playoffs. I would rather the Knicks finish second in the Atlantic than rush Camby back.

    2. David Stern is going to punish any player who engages in a fight that spills into the crowd. He wants (and needs) to create an understanding in the players that you simply cannot take it off the court. Malice at the Palace really threatened the entire business model.

    3. I don’t know whether Lebron would have the technique to be a great receiver on day 1, but I am pretty certain that any NFL team would want him. There are not a lot of athletes in the world with his combination of size, speed, power and agility.

  27. yellowboy90

    ruruland: Uh, I think the fastest a lineman has ever run at the combine is 4.69.

    270 pound 4.6 is pretty good,better than a lot of 250 pound linebackers in the combine.

    I’m sure he could get it down to 4.4 or below if he trained.

    He would be amazing in agility drills. He’d be Calvin Johnson with higher standing reach, longer wingspan,higher vertical and better ball-skills, likely much more difficult to tackle in the open field.

    http://tracking.si.com/2013/02/27/heat-james-ran-40-in-4-6-seconds/

    There have been plenty D-lineman run under 4.6 at the combine. Also, this is a hand time where it is faster than the combine time would be. The Bengals have two ends who are 6-6 and 260+ that run under 4.6. Mario Williams ran a 4.6 and his college teammate Manny Lawson ran a 4.6. There are plenty fast lineman. Take the late great REggie White at over 300 lbs he ran in the 4.6s.

    However, with speed training Lebron can run much faster probably. His best position would be TE as a Jimmy Graham type. True match up nightmare.

    Also, better ball skills than Calvin is a stretch. The catches he was making at GT is some of the best ever to combine hand eye coordination and body control.

  28. KnickFanInCelticLand

    Frank:

    this is exactly the kind of post I was hoping to get — someone who actually knows something. And someone who can give some credible detail about how a “Stress reaction” can mean many different things and have different prognoses despite the name “stress reaction”. And I hear what you’re saying about one end or the other of the metatarsal, but what if it’s not at the end but in the middle? or 1/3 way in? Lots of subtlety in most injuries.

    In 33 years of practice I have never seen a stress reaction injury in the middle of a 5th metatarsal. Bone trabeculae (the strength girders inside the bone) are so arranged to distribute the stress elsewhere. The “line in the sand where instabilty and non-healing of the fracture start is about 1/3 from where the metatarsal attaches to the midfoot. These fractures are sometimes grouped together under the historical name of Jones Fractures.

  29. mr.JayP

    I honestly see no point in keeping Sheed till the playoff’s we need another back up center that can log minutes and give Ty rest. Having a rested chandler in the playoff’s will be important.

    If the FO is in a win now mode as they should be. drop Sheed fast.

  30. Donnie Walsh

    Frank:
    last thing on this “transparency” business. As far as I’m concerned, there is no correlation between being “transparent” and being a well-run organization.

    Perhaps, but that has nothing to do with your original statement, which was abut conspiracy theories. Dolan’s media policy breeds skeptical thinking because he is shrouded in secrecy (and his product stinks).

  31. Frank

    KnickFanInCelticLand: In 33 years of practice I have never seen a stress reaction injury in the middle of a 5th metatarsal.Bone trabeculae (the strength girders inside the bone) are so arranged to distribute the stress elsewhere.The “line in the sand where instabilty and non-healing of the fracture start is about 1/3 from where the metatarsal attaches to the midfoot.These fractures are sometimes grouped together under the historical name of Jones Fractures.

    Thanks for clearing that up. Fwiw they are indeed calling his fracture a Jones fracture.

  32. Juany8

    Donnie Walsh: Perhaps, but that has nothing to do with your original statement, which was abut conspiracy theories. Dolan’s media policy breeds skeptical thinking because he is shrouded in secrecy (and his product stinks).

    Have you considered that keeping information private is a pretty smart business move? The Knicks aren’t even close to the Lakers anyways, Jerry Buss freaking DIED and nobody knew about it. Why should they go around publicizing their every move? I’d be more worried about their track record so far, pretty much only Houston and Portland can compare to the Knicks’ injury problems these past few years. It doesn’t matter what they release to the press, it matters when the players actually come back.

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