this is true for pretty much any NBA team adding new, big pieces. my rule of thumb used to be half a season/40 games until a new major acquisition was fully assimilated, but I think that’s somehow shrunk in recent years, not sure why.

I agree that it has shrunk. I have no theories as to why. Anyone else?

Bananalyzer:
So watching Amar’e last night confirmed to me that Amar’e is not a championship team starter! There is no team in NBA that could win a championship with Amar’e starting on their lineup. [...] I think we should give Amar’e and Melo a chance this season to play together in the starting lineup, after having a full training camp. But if the team does not have one of the top three spots in the east, then I believe they should give Amar’e coming off the bench a try. And if that strategy doesn’t work, we all know where Amar’e will not be playing next year.Bananalyze that! lol

Do you think that Miami would be worse off if Amar’e were their starting center? Obviously, they couldn’t afford Amar’e plus everyone else, but I don’t think anyone hoping to win anything (even just home-court advantage in the first round of the playoffs) could afford Amar’e at this price when he’s playing so poorly.

Starting vs. coming off the bench doesn’t matter to me. What matters is lineups. And if Melo and Amar’e cannot develop a 2-man game, then they should not be in a lineup together.

knicknyk:
Yup just in NY sidestep already provided his portland numbers. Do you have the FG% as well.For example in defending the PNR ball handler Portland Felton gave up .79 ppp, 43.8 FG%, ranked #106. In NY he gave up .88against pnr ball handler #159. (Missing the FG%)If you have the FG% numbers I would really appreciate it.

I’m curious as to why you just want New York Numbers, where he was playing with a bad defensive frontcourt and under a coach who didn’t give two fucks about defense.

Woodson is a Brown disciple, teaches similar kind of defense, and Chandler played there.

It would seem the Charlotte team would be the best comparison.

knicknyk:
Yup just in NY sidestep already provided his portland numbers. Do you have the FG% as well.For example in defending the PNR ball handler Portland Felton gave up .79 ppp, 43.8 FG%, ranked #106. In NY he gave up .88against pnr ball handler #159. (Missing the FG%)If you have the FG% numbers I would really appreciate it.

39% isolation
47% pnrballhandler
40% post-up
49.5% spot-up
27.5% off screen
45.5% hand-off (ranked 50th)

Z-man:

I truly think we won’t know what this team really is until about 15 games into the season.

this is true for pretty much any NBA team adding new, big pieces. my rule of thumb used to be half a season/40 games until a new major acquisition was fully assimilated, but I think that’s somehow shrunk in recent years, not sure why.

Z-man: I respect you, ruru, but these numbers and conclusions are very suspect. As the Yankees found out, regular seaon numbers don’t mean much, unless you look at numbers v. top teams. How doid Felton fare v. playoff teams or other top PGs compared to other PGs?

I’m not concluding anything other then what my eyes have seen, which is that Felton is a good, not great defender (he lacks the length to be great).

He’s not a better defender than Rondo or Westbrook (both extremely long), as his numbers from 2009 indicate. Might point is that it would be extremely difficult to play 82 games, have better numbers than Rondo and Westbrook and 90 percent of the point guards on the best defensive teams, and not have the ability to be a very good defensive point guard.

We cannot form conclusions solely from Synergy or WP48 or WS, whatever.

Synergy has its own issues to be sure.

Does this mean that Felton is a good enough defensive point guard on a championship-caliber team? No one knows.

Will he the best defender against Rondo the Knicks have ad since he left? I have little doubt. And having the ability to throw Shumpert, Brewer, Felton and Kidd, all of whom can match-up very well against certain types of players, is a huge advantage.

ruruland: For example, in 2009-2010, Felton yielded fewer points per possession than Rondo and Westbrook. In 2010-2011, Felton yielded .89 points in Denver (216th), and .91 pp in New York. Spot-ups he’s really struggled with compared to other point guards, perhaps because of his lack of length and height. But, he’s fared very well in screen action, which is a result of his ball pressure = bulldog. Ballpressure guards work best with rim protectors, and Felton’s numbers should be really goo this year. Let’s remember something. One of the reason Larry Brown left Charlotte was because Felton signed in New York. That’s from Brown’s mouth. The guy epitomized that low-efficiency, hard-nosed defensive team.

I respect you, ruru, but these numbers and conclusions are very suspect. As the Yankees found out, regular seaon numbers don’t mean much, unless you look at numbers v. top teams. How doid Felton fare v. playoff teams or other top PGs compared to other PGs?

knicknyk:
Ruru can you just give me the raw data please for Feltons tenure in NY kind of like how sidestep did it? That would be much appreciated.

Just in New York?

.88 against pnr ballhandler (159)
. 75 vs isolation (84th)
.77 vs post-ups (56th)
1.24 vs spot-ups (381)
.64 vs screen (7th)
Spot-ups are likely most random of all of these.