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Tuesday, November 25, 2014

Quick Recap: Philly 106, New York 94

Philadelphia 76ers 106 Final
Recap | Box Score
94 New York Knicks
Carmelo Anthony, SF 29 MIN | 5-13 FG | 11-12 FT | 9 REB | 3 AST | 22 PTS | -16

Melo had a statistically pleasing night with 22 points on 13 shots and probably worthy of an A-/B+. But y’all are right, I’m too numerically based. So I’ll grade him solely on my gut feeling, and he couldn’t stop smiling and laughing taking those free throws with his team losing in the third quarter. He’s the reason this team is in disarray. If the Oak-man was on this team, J.R. Smith never would have tweeted that photo. Also Iran wouldn’t be building Nukes, and the U.S. debt would be paid. Obviously ‘Melo is to blame for all of it.

Amare Stoudemire, PF 29 MIN | 4-9 FG | 1-2 FT | 5 REB | 0 AST | 9 PTS | -12

Amar’e had one of those listless games where you thought he was the one staying up late at night taking booty pictures. If you didn’t get that feeling from his first half missed dunk or his subdued technical foul to start off the second half, then the moment came in the third. STAT just stood and watched under the hoop as Turner dunked on him. Too bad I couldn’t put a WT in front of his grade.

Tyson Chandler, C 39 MIN | 3-4 FG | 2-4 FT | 12 REB | 0 AST | 8 PTS | -4

After spending the last few games on his rear, Chandler rejoined the Knicks lineup. The Tysonator made his presence felt on both ends of the court. His wrist didn’t stop him from catching a couple of passes in the post & game them down. Nor did it stop him from blocking or altering a bunch of shots. Ladies & Gentlemen, is there any question he is the Knicks 2012 MVP?

Landry Fields, G 33 MIN | 6-9 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 1 AST | 13 PTS | +2

When Fields started off with a block & the Knicks first bucket, you thought he might have one of those games where he goes back-door all day. Fields didn’t play poorly, but that spark was missing from the rest of the game. If you could put his brain in J.R. Smith’s body, but more on that later…

Jeremy Lin, PG 37 MIN | 5-18 FG | 4-5 FT | 3 REB | 7 AST | 14 PTS | -2

When Lin came to the free throw line and the camera zoomed on him, my toddler walked past the tv & shouted “Jeremy Lin!” Linsanity might be over for everyone else, but it still lives on in the hearts of our youth even if he serves up a baker’s dozen of missed shots with a side of a half dozen turnovers.

Baron Davis, PG 13 MIN | 3-5 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 3 AST | 8 PTS | -16

I caught Baron Davis shooting at his own basket after a whistle. They cut to commercial right after, so I’m just going to assume that this is what happened between him & D’Antoni during the break.

Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni

Steve Novak, SF 24 MIN | 3-5 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 0 AST | 8 PTS | -5

So, ladies! {Yeah!} Ladies! {Yeah}
If you wanna roll in my Mercedes {Yeah!}
Then turn around! Stick it out!
Even white boys got to shout…

J.R. Smith, SG 23 MIN | 4-13 FG | 3-3 FT | 4 REB | 1 AST | 12 PTS | -4

I could have given him an A for Ass, a B for Butt, a C for Culo, or a D for Derriere. Smith capped his twitter folly with two missed layups in the final frame. Something tells me if he had an ounce of grey matter, he’d be an All Star. But he doesn’t, and no amount of energy will ever make up for that.

Iman Shumpert, G 13 MIN | 0-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 1 AST | 0 PTS | -3

Toney Douglas come back!

Just kidding.

Five Things We Saw

  1. The Sixers shot 50.6% from the field, 55.6% from three, and 80.8% from the line. Outside of Chandler the Knicks defense was less visible than Tahiry’s thong.
  2. The Knicks looked dogged throughout, but it was Philly that went with a short rotation. The Sixers played just 7 players, and Jody Meeks saw only 7 minutes. Coach Pringles went with 9, and I was waiting for Jorts to get some play.
  3. Sorry, I’m only going 3 deep today, and I’m even more sorry that I’m ending it with this.

    Maybe you can see this video as some kind of metaphor on the Knicks season. Sure I could make some analogy of how the woman in the swimsuit is like the Knick stars and how even a good thing can go very wrong. I might talk about how smiling is inappropriate in certain places. Perhaps a line about how once you get used to the absurdity, the added special effects (aka the bench) is the best part of it. I could add how both are painful to watch, and only the most iron stomached individuals could make it all the way through to the very end.

    Or maybe I just want everyone to feel my pain.

116 comments on “Quick Recap: Philly 106, New York 94

  1. limpidgimp

    Amar’e looks like a 30 year-old stuck in a 40 year-old’s body. His mind is dissociated not just from his body, but from reality too: every time he he goes up and gets blocked, he dreams he was fouled. Poor guy. He’d be a great player if he was strapped into the Matrix.

  2. ruruland

    Chandler had some defensive issues as well. Giving up the lane to Brand. That horrible foul late in the third quarter that stretched the lead and put him on the bench. Giving up the lane to Young after a trapped PNR. Clearly the Knicks best defensive player, and one of the more impactful defensive players in the league, but c’mon… not sure I felt his impact on offense– he was spoonfed two dunks and got a putback….. Give me a break.

  3. nicos

    Nice recap Mike- I can’t give Chandler an A, he had some nice defensive plays but had more poor defensive plays than you normally see from him. Also, I think Fields would make a solid three (and if Melo somehow got moved I’d have no problem starting him there) but as a two he is every bit as bad as Amar’e on defense: he’s perpetually three feet behind his man- Evan Turner had carte blanche to get to any spot he wanted to on the floor. He picks up a few steals and deflections a game in the passing lanes but he’s always in the passing lanes because he can’t maintain contact with his man. He’s still the best option at the two right now given how Shumpert and Smith are playing but going forward I think he’s eventually going to have to move to the three.

  4. ruruland

    nicos: Nice recap Mike- I can’t give Chandler an A, he had some nice defensive plays but had more poor defensive plays than you normally see from him. Also, I think Fields would make a solid three (and if Melo somehow got moved I’d have no problem starting him there) but as a two he is every bit as bad as Amar’e on defense: he’s perpetually three feet behind his man- Evan Turner had carte blanche to get to any spot he wanted to on the floor. He picks up a few steals and deflections a game in the passing lanes but he’s always in the passing lanes because he can’t maintain contact with his man. He’s still the best option at the two right now given how Shumpert and Smith are playing but going forward I think he’s eventually going to have to move to the three.

    Yeah.

    Seriously, you have to start Shump and pray he contributes offensively. There’s a better chance you get something out of Shump offensively than you do Fields defensively.

  5. BigBlueAL

    My hatred of this team has gotten so bad that I dont even look forward to the quick recaps anymore which even during all those losses early in the season was a breath of fresh air.

    I just want this season to end already. At least Opening Day for the Yankees is less than a month away….

  6. Jake S.

    BigBlueAL:
    My hatred of this team has gotten so bad that I dont even look forward to the quick recaps anymore which even during all those losses early in the season was a breath of fresh air.

    I just want this season to end already.At least Opening Day for the Yankees is less than a month away….

    What he said.

  7. ephus

    There is no way you can give Chandler an A for that game. He put out more effort than others, but he did not have that good of a game. It is clear that his issues with his left wrist are holding him back from catching passes and rebounding with two hands. His frustration foul after after Lin got hacked in the third quarter sent him to the bench with four, which is when the floodgates opened.

    I want to get a better idea of why ‘Melo was so effective in the first quarter, and so pitiful afterwards. Virtually all of his points after the end of the first quarter came at the free throw line, because he could not hit any shots, even at the rim. But ‘Melo’s lack of defensive effort is appalling.

    At this point, the less said about Amar’e, the better. After his 27 point performance at Milwaukee (with poor defense), he gave virtually nothing at the offensive end and was beyond horrible on the defensive end.

    JR Smith showed some signs in the fourth quarter, but there are still some red flags. After weeks when his only offensive contribution was finishing at the rim, today he blew at least three layups.

    But my strongest comments are for the series of transition baskets that the Knicks gave up in the second quarter. On what seemed to be three consecutive possessions, the Knicks got bottled up and threw horrible passes that led to Sixer dunks and layups. . Truly pathetic efforts by the Knicks in making themselves available for passes. No effort at all to foul before the Sixers could get into the frontcourt. And no one hustling back to try to pick up the trailers.

    There is no one on the Knicks who is talented enough to contribute without hardcore hustle. I think MDA needs to send that message through playing time.

  8. Doug

    I’m trying very hard to stay rational. The problem with this compressed schedule is that it’s difficult to place things in context. What is the accepted standard of progress when there are games every day instead of every 2-3 days? Shit.

    At least I have the Yankees (and the Rangers, too.)

  9. JLam

    Im getting off the roller coaster ride.
    Good luck to you die hard Knicks fan.
    My faith is not as strong as you guys.

  10. danvt

    This is when the bad losses early in the season loom large. Philly is good. So are Boston and Dallas. Now, Chicago on a back to back. I don’t think there are too many teams who would experience success with this type of schedule.

    Still, I’m getting to the point where I won’t be sad to see coach go and Anthony traded.

  11. JC Knickfan

    O wow Knicks kept the Philly starting PG to 8 pt on 2-12.

    O darn the backup PG had 28 on 10-19.

  12. Cousyfan

    I am going to be philosophical about the Knicks.
    It is after all only a game, and Lin has a long way to go.
    I will watch the remaining games as pure entertainment and keep my heart inside my chest.
    Cheers!

  13. daJudge

    Art-I’m a Met fan too. I recorded the game today, watched it with the wife, read the game blog and my head exploded… really. It’s all over the kitchen floor. Anyway, I really had a nice run at my over 50 league earlier. You see what I mean. But life is good. Back to the Knicks. Forget about individual players, but does anyone disagree that the team needs to be blown up and we need a new coach? Can someone proffer a legitimate argument. Personally, I clearly was wrong about Melo and Stat. They’re both not that great, and I don’t know what else to say. Over and out dudes.

  14. Will the Thrill

    I know Lin wasn’t good today (along with almost everyone else), but I just don’t see a better option at PG for the Knicks. Baron Davis has shown that he can pass, sometimes, but really can’t run the offense correctly and plays usually result with a step back jumpers from either him, Smith, or Melo, when he is running the show in the halfcourt. I look at everything Lin does as a bonus, because he is a rookie who came out of nowhere, and is taking time from __________, Bibs, and to an extent, Davis.

  15. Nick C.

    art vandelay:
    yeah, at least I have the Mets….oh, wait

    if you added the Jets you would be in my version of sports fan hell. at least I have Syracuse for the NCAAs.

  16. Will the Thrill

    Totally agree. I really cannot see an argument that would make sense in favor of keeping this team together. Other than “gelling”.

    daJudge:
    Art-I’m a Met fan too.I recorded the game today, watched it with the wife, read the game blog and my head exploded… really.It’s all over the kitchen floor.Anyway, I really had a nice run at my over 50 league earlier.You see what I mean.But life is good.Back to the Knicks.Forget about individual players, but does anyone disagree that the team needs to be blown up and we need a new coach?Can someone proffer a legitimate argument. Personally, I clearly was wrong about Melo and Stat.They’re both not that great, and I don’t know what else to say.Over and out dudes.

  17. Doug

    JLam:
    Im getting off the roller coaster ride.
    Good luck to you die hard Knicks fan.
    My faith is not as strong as you guys.

    Moral of the story: Being a Knicks fan is not for the faint of heart.

  18. art vandelay

    haha, Nick C….

    Yeah, I am really glad sometimes I am not a big football fan (only really basketball and baseball as far as team sports go, with tennis as well) because I am sure if I followed it like I do the NBA and MLB I surely would have wound up Jets fan and completed your triumvirate of fandom purgatory.

  19. Jake S.

    I keep refreshing this goofy thread. What’s wrong with me? I can’t bring myself to leave the pain cave.

  20. art vandelay

    Did this site exist during the Isiah years? I started to read it around 2008-2009 and actually post in 2010 I believe….I can’t even begin to conceive of what the angst and hand-wringing must have been like on here back then….almost curious to read old archives if they exist (I guess looking back on that embarrassing era should perk any Knicks fan up no matter how bad things get now I suppose).

    I lived in San Francisco at the time and I recall how mortifying it was nationally (outside of NY) to be a Knick fan (though I didn’t hide my love of the team as a result). I live in Argentina now and Knicks were actually starting to receive some real positive pub a few weeks ago even down here due to Linsanity (in a place where, while basketball is important, all they really care about are Ginobili, Scola and Delfino these days)….sad that wistful Linsanity era has crashed and burned…even I didn’t think it would go down in flames this soon.

  21. Jake S.

    art vandelay:
    Did this site exist during the Isiah years? I started to read it around 2008-2009 and actually post in 2010 I believe….I can’t even begin to conceive of what the angst and hand-wringing must have been like on here back then….almost curious to read old archives if they exist (I guess looking back on that embarrassing era should perk any Knicks fan up no matter how bad things get now I suppose).

    I lived in San Francisco at the time and I recall how mortifying it was nationally (outside of NY) to be a Knick fan (though I didn’t hide my love of the team as a result). I live in Argentina now and Knicks were actually starting to receive some real positive pub a few weeks ago even down here due to Linsanity (in a place where, while basketball is important, all they really care about are Ginobili, Scola and Delfino these days)….sad that wistful Linsanity era has crashed and burned…even I didn’t think it would go down in flames this soon.

    My wife’s from Buenos Aires and we’re headed down there for stretch. Not sure if you’re in BA, but I’m curious to know if you have a preferred sports bar for game nights. The Irish pubs in Palermo are a little grim.

  22. Bruno Almeida

    art vandelay:
    yeah, at least I have the Mets….oh, wait

    yeah, story of my life.

    if I was also a Jets fan I’d be contemplating suicide right now after Sanchez’s contract

  23. d-mar

    Jake S.:
    I keep refreshing this goofy thread. What’s wrong with me? I can’t bring myself to leave the pain cave.

    The pain cave, I like that.

    I used to come on this blog and defend Amare and Melo from what I thought was over the top abuse, but I’m ready to join the dark side. Today’s game for me was the worst loss of the season, worse than losing at home to the ‘Cats or the Raptors. At least back then we had no PG, it was still early, etc. etc. Now we’re a supposedly “deep” and “talented” team, and a division rival comes into our building and just flat out embarrasses us. There’s no defending this squad and no excuses. They just suck.

  24. hoolahoop

    Fire Dantoni.
    -The knicks W-L is below their talent level.
    -They don’t play with sustained intensity. They usually come out flat every quarter.
    -Terrible clock management.
    -Bad rotations.
    -They lose most of their games.

    I was happier than anyone when the knicks got Dantoni. It’s obvious, he got to go. I’ve come to realize that Nash made Dantoni. Nash is a basketball genius. It was him that ran the team on the court. He kept everyone involved and made his teammates better.

  25. Jake S.

    hoolahoop:
    Fire Dantoni.
    -The knicks W-L is below their talent level.
    -They don’t play with sustained intensity. They usually come out flat every quarter.
    -Terrible clock management.
    -Bad rotations.
    -They lose most of their games.

    I was happier than anyone when the knicks got Dantoni. It’s obvious, he got to go. I’ve come to realize that Nash made Dantoni. Nash is a basketball genius. It was him that ran the team on the court. He kept everyone involved and made his teammates better.

    How Nash has that Phoenix team hovering around .500 at the age of 54 is beyond me.

  26. Max

    For the last three weeks I’ve read the threads,
    forcing me not to write,
    biting my tongue to avoid an “irrational reaction”,
    considering the difficult schedule, and trying to keep my composure,
    but too much is too much…

    We’re all Knicks fans, we all want them to win, we all want them to turn the season around, but maybe…

    Maybe we really can’t win with this overrated, overpaid, selfish, lazy, whiny, so called “superstar”.

    Let the numbers talk, compare last year’s team record pre-trade and post-trade and compare this year’s team record with him and without him… And do the same with Denver’s record (with all this year’s injuries)!

    Did you hear George Karl saying that Melo “has some ‘sticky ball’ in him”?

    They had something goin’ in the Garden, even putting aside the overblown Lin-Sanity.
    Maybe the team was less talented, but it was solid, unselfish, pass-first oriented, playing some good sound basketball.

    He ruined everything.

    STAT’s not playing well, but he’s never complaining for his lack of shots or points.

    But when your “superstar” is smiling with the team down by 20 at home, when he’s complaining on his lack of shots… then everybody feel free to do the same…

    And team chemistry, so important during the winning streak, went down the toilet…

    Walsh don’t want him, D’Antoni don’t want him…
    Many fans had fear, a fear that is now a reality, we’re back in the late 70’s, Spencer Haywood and Bob McAdoo are still getting their points… and the team is still losing a lot…

    Thank you mister Dolan, I’m feeling young again… now please stop the joke and TRADE him please, there’s only a few days left!

    And yes, I’ll love to be wrong, I’ll love to win the championship and have Melo showers me with middle fingers… Yes, I’ll love it…

  27. Mike Kurylo Post author

    Bruno Almeida: yeah, story of my life.

    if I was also a Jets fan I’d be contemplating suicide right now after Sanchez’s contract

    This is the only thing keeping me from jettisoning the NBA for the NFL.

    Well that and this blog.

  28. hoolahoop

    Here’s what the knicks need to do.

    1 -Fire Dantoni. Look for the best interim coach they could find.

    2 – Start Baron Davis – under the following conditions.
    BD must not look to shoot first. His responsibility is to assist and distribute. Otherwise, bench him.

    3 – Lay down the law: Hero ball is over. Melo, Lin, BD, Amae, JR, everyone. If you play hero ball, you don’t play.

    4 – Whoever is playing well, plays. Size of contract means nothing. Fresh start.

    5 – Priority is to beat every team to loose balls and rebounds.

  29. mpeezay

    Melo for Deron Williams.

    Before I get a bunch of crap about “Knick fans always look for the trade…. blah blah blah.” Let’s just admit that Melo was never a good fit for this team. I am not a proponent of constant trades, but this just isn’t going to work out. Amar’e proof positive.

    Melo for D-Will.

    We get what we really do need, and they get a top tier star (locked in) for their move to BK. Everybody wins. Tell all your friends.

  30. Doug

    art vandelay: Did this site exist during the Isiah years? I started to read it around 2008-2009 and actually post in 2010 I believe….I can’t even begin to conceive of what the angst and hand-wringing must have been like on here back then….almost curious to read old archives if they exist (I guess looking back on that embarrassing era should perk any Knicks fan up no matter how bad things get now I suppose).

    Oh, it definitely existed. Back then it was more of of an Isiah-induced perpetual fatalism. It was a dark, black-humored place.

    Thanks to the turnaround in the franchise’s fortunes and the resultant high expectations, it’s now more of a seething cauldron of rage and bitterness. It’s scorn instead gloom.

  31. Max

    mpeezay:
    Melo for Deron Williams.

    Before I get a bunch of crap about “Knick fans always look for the trade…. blah blah blah.” Let’s just admit that Melo was never a good fit for this team. I am not a proponent of constant trades, but this just isn’t going to work out. Amar’e proof positive.

    Melo for D-Will.

    We get what we really do need, and they get a top tier star (locked in) for their move to BK. Everybody wins. Tell all your friends.

    I’ll take it in the classic New York Minute.

    :-)

  32. Webjai

    Does Coach ever get a rating on these recaps? Melo is red hot at the end of the first, let’s sit him for 10 minutes. Amar’e can’t defend or make a shot, let’s leave him in.

    Landry is firing on all cylinders, let’s sit him next to Melo.

    —–

    Also, is it just me, or does it seem like now that the Knicks had those practices, they’re executing Coach’s gameplan… a gameplan that sucks. I have a theory that Linsanity happened because Lin didn’t really know the system yet, so he made up his own… which WORKED for Pete’s sake. Now that he had the practices to learn the system, he’s executing it… it’s easy. Stand around, watch the guy with ball fail going to the basket without a screen, dribble sideways, throw the ball cross court and hope the other team hasn’t seen this play on the scouting report.

    Set some screens people. Really. Lin can’t go left? Set him a screen to go right and roll off it. Is it that hard? They make it look hard.

  33. Doug

    Max: Did you hear George Karl saying that Melo “has some ‘sticky ball’ in him”?

    Karl’s a scumbag for saying that considering the Nuggets’ entire offense for the past five years was to dump Melo the ball in the high post and then see what happened.

  34. Doug

    Webjai: Set some screens people. Really. Lin can’t go left? Set him a screen to go right and roll off it. Is it that hard? They make it look hard.

    Lin can go left. Chandler sets a decent number of screens for him to go to his left.

  35. jon abbey

    I just want to hear the rationale for why our PGs with few exceptions (Baron most of the time, Shumpert some of the time when he was playing PG) have been walking it up all year. it makes absolutely no sense to me and has been driving me crazy all season.

  36. Max

    Doug: Karl’s a scumbag for saying that considering the Nuggets’ entire offense for the past five years was to dump Melo the ball in the high post and then see what happened.

    This could start a long discussion on the NBA being a Players League and not a Coaches League, so if your “superstar” is unhappy you fire the coach, not the underachieving “superstar”…

    For what’s worth, every report from Denver says that the day after the trade all players and coaches were happier than ever (with the mad-twitter JR Smith being the exception).
    And they showed it in the following weeks (or this year).

    Maybe Karl learn how to coach overnight…

    :-)

  37. Owen

    “Did this site exist during the Isiah years?”

    It did. And it was indeed generally an unhappy place, other than one shining beacon of overrated light, David Lee.

    If you want to look into the archives this is a great place to start.

    http://knickerblogger.net/the-eddy-curry-study/

    Here was my favorite quote.

    “Camby and Williams show that it’s not impossible for Curry to become a strong rebounder. However if you’re going to start to tout Curry as a future All Star, you might want to preface your statement with something to the effect of being a blind optimist who will be winning the lotto in the near future.”

    You have to be a masochist to be a Knicks fan. it’s as simple as that. And it helps to have a community to help you survive the pain….

  38. Doug

    Max: For what’s worth, every report from Denver says that the day after the trade all players and coaches were happier than ever (with the mad-twitter JR Smith being the exception).
    And they showed it in the following weeks (or this year).

    I think in any circumstance, the players and coaches would be relieved that the drama over whether your best player was staying or leaving was finally resolved and over with, regardless of the outcome.

  39. Jake S.

    Life as a Knick fan:

    http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&sa=X&biw=1258&bih=614&tbm=isch&prmd=imvnsu&tbnid=_69-Xkvc4EUraM:&imgrefurl=http://www.sportsgrid.com/nba/lets-play-a-game-called-spot-the-angry-new-yorker/&docid=QMRFwl_Zm8bAGM&imgurl=http://www.sportsgrid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/angry-knicks-fan-e1330985222231.jpeg&w=630&h=352&ei=m0NdT9vaPMnb0QHjg-TaDw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=614&vpy=250&dur=398&hovh=97&hovw=173&tx=173&ty=78&sig=112711624325978681714&page=1&tbnh=97&tbnw=173&start=0&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:15,s:0

  40. ephus

    Owen: You have to be a masochist to be a Knicks fan. it’s as simple as that. And it helps to have a community to help you survive the pain

    Amen.

    Born in 1969, I came along too late to enjoy the Willis/Clyde/Pearl/Bradley years. By the time I started following the Knicks, I prayed for the Ray Williams and Michael Ray Richardson teams to mature. Then, in the words of Isaac in Manhattan, I “romanticized Bernard King beyond all reason.” My heart broke when he ripped up his knee trying to defend against a meaningless fast break in a meaningless game.

    My hope was reborn in Patrick Ewing, although it was tested in the early years. Anyone who witnessed Ewing on poster night shooting a free throw while a rabid fan ripped up his life size image under the basket knows what I am talking about. I bought into Pitino’s goofy system when it got us back to the playoffs. I thrilled when the Knicks eliminated the Celtics in Boston. My heart was broken by Charles Smith, then broken again a year later when OJ me to radio to hear what was happening in Game 6. I still remember exactly where I was when Ewing missed the finger roll against the Pacers the next year.

    The last decade has brought much more sorrow than hope, but HOPE SPRINGS ETERNAL.

    If not this year, then next . . .

  41. Frank O.

    I had to stop watching when the 3rd period swoon began. I was yelling at the TV, my son kept asking me if I was okay. So I created an entire new landscape in the front yArd, transplanted 10 shrubs, sunk a new mail box, and planted juniper and sage.
    I could hear my wife shouting, “catch the ball Amare!” and “stop smiling, you weasel!”
    D’antoni should bench Amare and Melo and run Chandler, Jeffries, Fields, Shumpert and Lin. Davis is first off, followed by Novak and Jorts and Smith. Those guys are hungry. Amare and Melo can earn their way back on the roster. They’ve been dogging it.
    Deal Melo. You’ll get a lot for him. Maybe Howard. Make chandler the C and Howard the Pf:)
    I’m on the ledge today. They drove me nuts.

  42. ess-dog

    I for one had no idea that Stat’s numbers would take such a hit this year. Yes, I figured without Nash his numbers would go down, but last year’s dip seemed reasonable.
    I mean physically, the guy still looks in great shape to me. Maybe it’s the brutal schedule? He seems to clearly need more rest or something.
    His jumper has almost completely disappeared and he can’t jump. Is it the back? I have no idea. Maybe a combo of these things.
    It’s really sad though. I couldn’t have pictured being at this point with him… maybe at age 32 or something.

  43. art vandelay

    Jake S:

    Yes, I live in Buenos Aires and have been here for past 4 years or so. I really like The Alamo in Barrio Norte as far as good sports bars for game nights…I could also toss a few other decent options your way around whenever you are down here….but that is the first good one that comes to mind.

  44. d-mar

    Milwaukee and Cleveland both win, both a game behind the Knicks for the coveted 8th spot in the East. It just doesn’t get any better than this to be a Knick fan.

  45. Jake S.

    art vandelay:
    Jake S:

    Yes, I live in Buenos Aires and have been here for past 4 years or so. I really like The Alamo in Barrio Norte as far as good sports bars for game nights…I could also toss a few other decent options your way around whenever you are down here….but that is the first good one that comes to mind.

    Will keep my eyes peeled for a hapless architect. If your misery ever wants company, you know where to find me. Well, sort of.

  46. Mike Kurylo Post author

    Doug: Oh, it definitely existed. Back then it was more of of an Isiah-induced perpetual fatalism. It was a dark, black-humored place.

    Thanks to the turnaround in the franchise’s fortunes and the resultant high expectations, it’s now more of a seething cauldron of rage and bitterness. It’s scorn instead gloom.

    KnickerBlogger was mostly the same. Replace Carmelo Anthony with Jamal Crawford, Amare Stoudemire with Eddy Curry, and Renaldo Balkman with Renaldo Balkman. Same arguments, although some of the people have switch sides. My memories are hazy, but i remember something about Eddy Curry points in the paint, a bottle of Crystal, and Clyde Frazier being the cause of the Knicks losing.

  47. Bruno Almeida

    JC Knickfan:
    http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

    Do you think Memphis would Rudy Gay/Tony Allen for Melo?

    I don’t think the Grizzlies are an ideal trade partner, I don’t like Rudy much (I think he’s kinda overrated), Allen would be redundant on our team and Randolph isn’t coming back (and that’s probably awesome).

    our best hope would be to try and fool a wannabe contender into taking Amare… from that group, Atlanta (Amare + someone else for Josh Smith + Kirk Hinrich), Houston (Amare + Fields for Scola + Martin) or Portland (Amare for Batum and Felton) could be potential trade partners, maybe Indiana but I doubt it (and the only player they’d be willing to part with would probably be Granger, who sucks)

  48. Z-man

    This team will have to hit bottom to find itself. It is getting outhustled and outsmarted. I’l still be watching every game, waiting for that bounce out of the cellar. Scary, this team is eerily like the Eagles in this way.

  49. hoolahoop

    Prediction:
    Melo will want out after the season ends. He’ll say something to the effect that he came here and tried but it didn’t work out.
    Then, the genius knicks management will accommodate him by sending him to one of his selected destinations, making some horrendous trade.
    PartII
    Most people here will get all giddy repeating each other about the great potential the new guys have, with no one really knowing anything about them. Then, of course you know what happens.
    PartIII
    ruru will be gone to the next team blog, again defending melo against all and any detractors with a small, vocal audience of support from the new chorus of melo lovers.

    No one ever said life was fair.

  50. d-mar

    Did anyone see the end of the Lakers-Celtics game? LA got the rebound of a Boston miss with about 30 seconds left and up 1, and as Kobe brought the ball over midcourt, Mike Brown called timeout. Kobe was pissed, and had a stupid grin on his face during the entire timeout, like “you idiot, I had the ball, what else do you want?” Then after the timeout, they run a perfect play to Bynum for a relatively easy 3 ft. baby hook, game over.

    I know Brown isn’t considered one of the best, but that’s what I call coaching.

  51. Owen

    “Did anyone see the end of the Lakers-Celtics game?”

    It was actually an awesome game. The kind of game that makes the NBA worth watching.

    It also reinforced my hatred for Kobe Bryant. He has basically been spraying shots around like a Prohibition era gangster for the last week. Brown clearly called the timeout and said, give the ball to Bynum.

    And then after the game Kobe basically pretended like it was all his idea to get the ball to Bynum.

  52. Webjai

    Doug: Lin can go left. Chandler sets a decent number of screens for him to go to his left.

    That’s kinda my point… set the pick so he goes right, to his strong suit.

  53. art vandelay

    Jake S., feel free to contact this hapless architect when you are close to coming down here and perhaps we can get together for a pint to watch what hopefully will be a stretch-drive game for a playoff-bound squad…misery certainly does love company!

    I grew up in the 80s and 90s and most of my first major knick-related memories surrounding ewing’s early years and then the Riley-era knicks….so I grew up used to playoff basketball and a certain NYK hard-nosed defensively style of play….we went to playoffs 13 or 14 consecutive years and this was a foregone conclusion every year….I thought the this tumultuous party would last forever until the Ewing trade pretty much marked the beginning of the end….that being said, that 90s era was just as turtuous as this one in how close we were and how many times we lost in gut-wrenching fashion (93 charles smith, 94 starks, 95 fingerroll, 97 suspensions, etc. etc.)….to me the best teams were often the ones that didn’t even go to teh finals (93 and 97)

  54. art vandelay

    Though I will say the nice thing about those 90s teams is that as a fan I had the sense they were performing a bit over their heads given the personnel…collectively overachieving rather than underachieving as the current team has done and is seemingly taking on a philadelphia eagle-like prima donna vibe….

    and btw, someone made the point about the NY media being too suffocating or the pressure too tremendous…yes, the 90s didn’t include all the twitter exposure, social media technology, and up-to-the-second team updates, but the media was extremely hard on the team even back then….I remember after losing game 5 of ECF to pacers after Miller’s barrage pretty much everyone was calling the team a bunch of choke artists…and yet they responded in indiana to recover and take the series. So it was in many ways just as difficult to play in NYC back then as it is now…solid coaching, leadership and a close-knit bunch is what helps a team persevere, none of which this year’s version of the Knicks appears to possess at the moment.

  55. art vandelay

    Yeah, I really laughed when Breen and JVG were stating that Kobe had “called” that play in the team huddle for Bynum…please….and Kobe completely ran with it in post-game interview.

  56. Bruno Almeida

    Jake S.:
    For the hell of it, how about this one:

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

    I don’t feel like the Lakers would do it… Gasol is still a terrific player, and Scola is a huge step back in talent that I don’t think Martin, specially playing at SF, would cover.

    and the Rockets want Gasol, not Amare, I don’t think they consider Amare to be anywhere near Gasol’s level.

  57. johnno

    I am just really puzzled. In the past, Melo had his faults but the one thing that he could always do was score — and score in bunches. Last year, there were a lot of games in which he was just unstoppable. He could go one on three and score at will. You watched him and thought “DAMN! That guy is GOOD!” Where is that guy this year? I’ve watched most of the games and I honestly can’t remember a single game when he looked good on offense. He’s shown flashes — like the first quarter the other night and the first quarter today, but that’s it. He is not even remotely the same player that he was last year. It’s not chemistry and it is not effort. His shot has completely abandoned him. He used to regularly hit impossibly difficult shots with guys draped all over him. This year? I think he must be shooting about 20% on open 15 foot jump shots. Is it lack of confidence? Frustration? Is he hurt? Is the pressure getting to him? I’m just truly perplexed.

  58. TheXman

    Tho I like Shump, wish we had a workhorse like Faried on this team. Guy is just a beast, it would just alleviate all our Amare worries.

  59. 2FOR18

    Nobody here knows anything about basketball!!!
    Back in 2008 Melo….. TS%!……almost made finals!…..Andre Miller!…..JR Smith top 30 player!….Practice!……Practice!…….the media!…..Practice!……

  60. Gideon Zaga

    Rehab Anyone, I’m seriously considering it. Come on Knicks, what is wrong with you. Melo you fool, you stupid fool. Dantoni fuck you, why why oh why. Every good turn this team seems to take gets shutdown and down. why why.

  61. Gideon Zaga

    No because Dantoni is a fucking idiot. Chauncey ran the offense last year, not an ssol offense. Linsanity had no ssol in it, now he rarely attacks the basket on openings. please i dont care if Dan dantoni ends up coaching this team, fire the Dantoni and call him 2 weeks later and fire him again.

    johnno:
    I am just really puzzled.In the past, Melo had his faults but the one thing that he could always do was score — and score in bunches.Last year, there were a lot of games in which he was just unstoppable.He could go one on three and score at will.You watched him and thought “DAMN!That guy is GOOD!”Where is that guy this year?I’ve watched most of the games and I honestly can’t remember a single game when he looked good on offense.He’s shown flashes — like the first quarter the other night and the first quarter today, but that’s it.He is not even remotely the same player that he was last year.It’s not chemistry and it is not effort. His shot has completely abandoned him.He used to regularly hit impossibly difficult shots with guys draped all over him.This year?I think he must be shooting about 20% on open 15 foot jump shots.Is it lack of confidence?Frustration?Is he hurt?Is the pressure getting to him?I’m just truly perplexed.

  62. art vandelay

    I think we knickerbloggers need an intervention….this thread has served as Knick rehab for all of us I believe….really is the pain cave as someone adroitly coined the term above.

    While we all stew and brood until tomorrow night’s highly anticipated shallacking, here is an article I posted earlier this week (for those who didn’t see it) on the extremes (and pitfalls) of being an irrational fan:

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7654198/the-writer-sh*t-my-dad-says-why-your-team-give-damn-you

  63. Gideon Zaga

    oh if they did I would be happy and i’d bet you he’d do better elsewhere. the coach doesn’t hold the guy responsible even for his stupid smiling. come on he keeps doing it, same way he hasn’t held amare accountable for his stupid defense. the coach sucks. i wish i could go on Demonstration at MSG, save my blood pressure. dolan u stupid idiot.

    New Guy:
    We are NOT trading Melo.He doesn’t get to escape.

  64. Gideon Zaga

    Yes, Yes and Yes!

    hoolahoop:
    Fire Dantoni.
    -The knicks W-L is below their talent level.
    -They don’t play with sustained intensity. They usually come out flat every quarter.
    -Terrible clock management.
    -Bad rotations.
    -They lose most of their games.

    I was happier than anyone when the knicks got Dantoni. It’s obvious, he got to go. I’ve come to realize that Nash made Dantoni. Nash is a basketball genius. It was him that ran the team on the court. He kept everyone involved and made his teammates better.

  65. Loathing

    Sadly, I think I have to agree. I like D’antoni’s brand of high offense, but I think his ship has sailed…let’s let Woodson see what he can do.

  66. ROUGH

    It always looked very unlikely that MDA would come back next season. Now it looks even more likely that he won’t even finish this current season with the Knicks. And if tomorrow’s expected loss to the Bulls is a bad one (say, a blowout without a fight or something), then MDA may be gone already by Tuesday. Let’s wait and see.

  67. BigBlueAL

    Magic Johnson just said that Riley wanted him to play for the Knicks for the 1992-93 season and he seriously considered it but Jerry Buss wouldnt allow it. FML

  68. Kikuchiyo

    Mike Kurylo: Clyde Frazier being the cause of the Knicks losing

    Until we see the Knicks winning again while Clyde remains an analyst, we just won’t know if the Clyde Police is right.

    Good times.

  69. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    personally speaking i think there has to be two teams out there and not just defense offense but ones that back up others deficiencies. i think after the first team is out there we need to change it up when we split amare and melo apart. if we do that we can see who is the best team to use during our low spots.

    for instance: Chandler, Novak, Melo, Shump, and Lin. in this instance i think Lin we b e able to distribute the ball accordingly and to the players assets. Melo would do better with Lin handling the ball and they both have Novak on offense to kick out to. They also have Shump and chandler to back up there deficiencies on defense.

    The second squad i think should be Jeffries, Amare, Fields at Small Forward, JR Smith, and Baron Davis. Jeffries can pick up the holes that amare leaves on D, fields can be the constant movement, you have jr smith to spread the floor and play iso if need be, and baron davis can help this team move the ball better than Lin can. this is more a team that keeps the score even neither up nor down.

    IMO: this would really work for the Knicks.

  70. BigBlueAL

    art vandelay:
    I think an even better question is who is going to be the full-time GM going forward.

    James Dolan. He will be the Jerry Jones of the NBA.

  71. art vandelay

    btw, I just read that eddy curry study archive…thanks for linking here….some of the comments (particularly those predicting eddy would be an all star) were downright hilarious!

  72. njasdjdh

    BigBlueAL:
    My hatred of this team has gotten so bad that I dont even look forward to the quick recaps anymore which even during all those losses early in the season was a breath of fresh air.

    I just want this season to end already.At least Opening Day for the Yankees is less than a month away….

    This.

  73. limpidgimp

    johnno: Melo’s shown flashes — like the first quarter the other night and the first quarter today, but that’s it.

    Melo was feeling it in the first quarter today, and — as others on this board have mentioned — it’s just weird that D’Antoni would yank Melo off the court when he’s in his rhythm. Or, in the past, when Novak or the entire 2nd unit was grooving, why he would suddenly substitute them with players that feeling it. Opposing teams may call time outs to interrupt a Knicks run, but D’Antoni’s time outs and substitutions sometimes break our own momentum, and the hot streak some players are in. Inexplicable.

  74. limpidgimp

    limpidgimp: johnno: Melo’s shown flashes — like the first quarter the other night and the first quarter today, but that’s it.

    Oops typo above.
    Melo was feeling it in the first quarter today, and — as others on this board have mentioned — it’s just weird that D’Antoni would yank Melo off the court when he’s in his rhythm. Or, in the past, when Novak or the entire 2nd unit was grooving, why he would suddenly substitute them with players that aren’t feeling it. Opposing teams may call time outs to interrupt a Knicks run, but D’Antoni’s time outs and substitutions sometimes break our own momentum, and the hot streak some players are in. Inexplicable.

  75. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    i understand most of the frustration, i truly do. i must say that MDA did not have enough time with this team this year; especially with all the injuries at the wrong times and the emergence of our starting pg and back up pg late in the season. im not making excuses just stating the facts.

    these are the reasons the ownership will not fire MDA but let his contract expire next year. that also leaves Phil Jacksons legacy even that much bigger if he comes to coach the knicks next season. it would give Phil Jackson more of an incentive to come in and right this ship. If he comes in and makes the Finals the next year he will be called a genius. if he stays and the knicks win the championship, there will be no question, he will be known as the best basketball mind ever. this is exactly what i would be thinking if i was Dolan and he is not wrong in believing this. hes banking on Phil coming in or MDA doing his job either way he is saved.

  76. Doug

    Mike Kurylo: KnickerBlogger was mostly the same. Replace Carmelo Anthony withJamal Crawford, Amare Stoudemire with Eddy Curry, and Renaldo Balkman with Renaldo Balkman. Same arguments, although some of the people have switch sides. My memories are hazy, but i remember something about Eddy Curry points in the paint, a bottle of Crystal, and Clyde Frazier being the cause of the Knicks losing.

    Remember Italian Stallion and his bizarre horse racing analogies? Good times.

  77. sisterray

    “Melo had a statistically pleasing night with 22 points on 13 shots and probably worthy of an A-/B+. But y’all are right, I’m too numerically based.”

    How does 38% shooting count as “statistically pleasing”? Statistically typical, sure. But there’s nothing pleasing about Melo’s play this season.

  78. maxwell_3g

    after today’s game, im coming over to this page for good. A) im sick of trying to convice 14 year olds on espn board that melo and stat arent actually superstars, and b) this seems to be a much more therapeutic environment for a Knicks fan right now. i see im not alone

  79. Owen

    “How does 38% shooting count as “statistically pleasing”? Statistically typical, sure. But there’s nothing pleasing about Melo’s play this season.”

    22 points on 18.28 true shots, for a ts% of 60.1%. Melo scored efficiently.

    But tonight was a perfect example of why Andre Iguodala is so much better than Melo. 19 points on 13.5 shots. 4 steals, to go with 8 boards and seven assists. And while I didn’t see much of the game, Iggy is generally considered one of the best perimeter defender in the NBA. So there is that. Although Melo got his i guess….

    Why we didn’t snake him from the Sixers when they were in their pit of despair, I don’t know….

  80. er

    Iguadala had about 10 points directly off terrible passes and melo had more points and boards than him in 3 quarters…continue ur melo bashin now

    Owen:
    “How does 38% shooting count as “statistically pleasing”? Statistically typical, sure. But there’s nothing pleasing about Melo’s play this season.”

    22 points on 18.28 true shots, for a ts% of 60.1%. Melo scored efficiently.

    But tonight was a perfect example of why Andre Iguodala is so much better than Melo. 19 points on 13.5 shots. 4 steals, to go with 8 boards and seven assists. And while I didn’t see much of the game, Iggy is generally considered one of the best perimeter defender in the NBA. So there is that. Although Melo got his i guess….

    Why we didn’t snake him from the Sixers when they were in their pit of despair, I don’t know….

  81. er

    Iguadala had about 10 points directly off terrible passes and melo had more points and boards than him in 3 quarters…you may return ur melo bashing now

    Owen:
    “How does 38% shooting count as “statistically pleasing”? Statistically typical, sure. But there’s nothing pleasing about Melo’s play this season.”

    22 points on 18.28 true shots, for a ts% of 60.1%. Melo scored efficiently.

    But tonight was a perfect example of why Andre Iguodala is so much better than Melo. 19 points on 13.5 shots. 4 steals, to go with 8 boards and seven assists. And while I didn’t see much of the game, Iggy is generally considered one of the best perimeter defender in the NBA. So there is that. Although Melo got his i guess….

    Why we didn’t snake him from the Sixers when they were in their pit of despair, I don’t know….

  82. Tony Pena

    How about Phil Weber takes over for the rest of the season? He’ll keep running some type of ssol, and he’s intimate with the players. I wouldn’t mind Mike Woodson if it came to it though.

  83. ruruland

    Owen: “How does 38% shooting count as “statistically pleasing”? Statistically typical, sure. But there’s nothing pleasing about Melo’s play this season.”22 points on 18.28 true shots, for a ts% of 60.1%. Melo scored efficiently. But tonight was a perfect example of why Andre Iguodala is so much better than Melo. 19 points on 13.5 shots. 4 steals, to go with 8 boards and seven assists. And while I didn’t see much of the game, Iggy is generally considered one of the best perimeter defender in the NBA. So there is that. Although Melo got his i guess….Why we didn’t snake him from the Sixers when they were in their pit of despair, I don’t know….

    If you go back and watch the game it will be evident that the Knicks were at their best offensively with Melo creating double teams on the wing/ high block area.

    Iggy did almost all of his damage off of poor passes beyond the 3pt line (making them much easier to turn into easy dunks and layups).

    Some bright spots in the half court defensively. But when you give up a lot of fast break points with poor point guard play, and the Sixers shoot as they did, not many teams will beat that time in that scenario.

    Melo has historically won his match up with Iggy throughout his career, including the 31/11/2/2 with the game-sealing 3 in his face last year in Philly. How soon we forget.

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=anthoca01&p2=iguodan01

    So much of Iggy’s success tonight was caused by poor point guard play. Unfortunate when Melo was making the offense so much easier by creating double teams– interesting that one of the game’s best defenders would need help guarding Melo.

    It really doesn’t add up, does it?

    Here’s the full game since you missed. Let’s talk play by play if you want.

    http://www.youtube

  84. ruruland

    limpidgimp: Oops typo above.Melo was feeling it in the first quarter today, and — as others on this board have mentioned — it’s just weird that D’Antoni would yank Melo off the court when he’s in his rhythm. Or, in the past, when Novak or the entire 2nd unit was grooving, why he would suddenly substitute them with players that aren’t feeling it. Opposing teams may call time outs to interrupt a Knicks run, but D’Antoni’s time outs and substitutions sometimes break our own momentum, and the hot streak some players are in. Inexplicable.

    That was part of it. But the PNR was not getting good results today. In fact, it’s what allowed Philly to get their confidence in the game.

    That’s why you have Melo. You can feed him the ball on the block, get the tilt and double teams, get good shots and a low turnover, low risk offense. That’s what Denver did with so much success through the years. That’s who they rode time after time to get good shots.

    It allows Lin lanes to penetrate, allows Fields to penetrate, and creates 4-3 scoring opportunities against rotating defenders.

    They simply didn’t get him the ball enough when the 4-out pnr was not only not getting good shots— it was resulting in high leverage turnovers.

  85. ruruland

    johnno: I am just really puzzled. In the past, Melo had his faults but the one thing that he could always do was score — and score in bunches. Last year, there were a lot of games in which he was just unstoppable. He could go one on three and score at will. You watched him and thought “DAMN! That guy is GOOD!” Where is that guy this year? I’ve watched most of the games and I honestly can’t remember a single game when he looked good on offense. He’s shown flashes — like the first quarter the other night and the first quarter today, but that’s it. He is not even remotely the same player that he was last year. It’s not chemistry and it is not effort. His shot has completely abandoned him. He used to regularly hit impossibly difficult shots with guys draped all over him. This year? I think he must be shooting about 20% on open 15 foot jump shots. Is it lack of confidence? Frustration? Is he hurt? Is the pressure getting to him? I’m just truly perplexed.

    It’s a good question.

    All I know is he’ll be out of it at somepoint. I still think that he can put up great numbers in this system with this talent, but there needs to be an emphasis on getting him the ball when the 4-out pnr isn’t humming.

  86. ruruland

    Max: This could start a long discussion on the NBA being a Players League and not a Coaches League, so if your “superstar” is unhappy you fire the coach, not the underachieving “superstar”…For what’s worth, every report from Denver says that the day after the trade all players and coaches were happier than ever (with the mad-twitter JR Smith being the exception).And they showed it in the following weeks (or this year).Maybe Karl learn how to coach overnight…:-)

    They’re playing worse this year than they had in the previous 4 years, on a team that 1-12 is as talented, perhaps more so, than any team Melo played on there.

    Some guys reported feeling better because the Melo trade was a huge distraction– and yes, distractions affect players, as you’re seeing with this team right now.

  87. ruruland

    hoolahoop: Here’s what the knicks need to do.1 -Fire Dantoni. Look for the best interim coach they could find.2 – Start Baron Davis – under the following conditions.BD must not look to shoot first. His responsibility is to assist and distribute. Otherwise, bench him. 3 – Lay down the law: Hero ball is over. Melo, Lin, BD, Amae, JR, everyone. If you play hero ball, you don’t play.4 – Whoever is playing well, plays. Size of contract means nothing. Fresh start.5 – Priority is to beat every team to loose balls and rebounds.

    Knicks assist rate is one of the best in the league with everyone back. I’m not sure how long you’ve followed the NBA but good defenses can typically thwart penetration– penetration is what creates ball movement.

    The other way to create ball movement is by getting the ball inside 15 feet to a guy who creates double teams.

    When the Knicks did that today they were able to penetrate and get easy looks, or easier looks.

  88. ruruland

    Stripping away my fan emotion of the bad result, there were quite a few things to like in this game.

    Their were stretches, somewhat prolonged, in each quarter, where the Knicks were getting really good looks. In many instances, better looks than what the Sixers got, and I’m talking about half-court stuff.

    Amar’e, outside of those two offensive rebounds he gave to Brand, was much better recovering and helping in the half-court. Everyone was better helping in the half-court.

    Chandler was not nearly as dominant in the paint defensively as he typically is. He gave up, by my count, a total of 12 points on missed rebounds to smaller players — either yielding the layup or fouling the player after the rebound. This was after solid defense forced a perimeter shot.

    So much of this game is about making jump shots. The Sixers were as hot from outside as I’ve ever seen them. Fields, Shumpert, and Smith gave up about 5-6 easier mid-range looks to Turner — but that kid is a talented player. Melo gave up a free throw line jumper to Turner on a switch. He was also a little late on a pick and roll, going underneath where Williams hit a shot a foot behind the line at on odd spot on the floor- very difficult to defend. Melo also gave a little too much airspace on two made jumpers in the third quarter– but it’s better than yielding penetration to the smaller, quicker player, but not great defense either.

    Williams was unconcious. And they hit 5-6 shots at least, two at the buzzer of the second and third quarter and one with less than a second on the clock where you shake your head — you know it’s going to be their day when they drop those.

    The Sixers were really good at helping on Lin. The biggest need for improvement offensively is to cut simultaneously with the penetration of Lin. There’s a fine line between maintaining your spacing and finding opportunities when the defense is overplaying you.

    Sixers are devastating, Heat like almost, in their…

  89. ruruland

    with their speed and finishing in transtion– they go from the turnover to fullspeed in a flash– that’s typically how they score, when they shoot as they did yesterday, as I said before, they can beat any team in the league.

    Sure, it’s quite possible they found their groove with those transition points and easier put-backs, but I liked the Knicks half-court defense much of the game. A lot of nights you win with that defense.

    I liked the press late in the game. I actually thought that in the mini-comeback the Sixers got better looks than they had previous to that point, up until they started getting out of their offense with about 4 minutes.

    Funny how basketball works sometimes.

    The biggest difference, honestly, was not talent, nor was it really effort as it was just confidence. The Knicks have no idea what it’s like to win together with this team. There’s a certain hesitancy and confusion when a really confident and assertive team like the Sixers starts to get going.

    Teams that have been together and have won together have sort of a collective psychological framework or blueprint for how they come back. It’s sort of an asbtract thing to me that you can’t put a finger on.

    What the team is missing is a series of super-human effort plays to turn their confidence and the sort of over-arching momentum of the season around. Those can happen at any time, typically at home though.

    But what I saw was mostly solid all around. Just the end result wasn’t there as much as it will be.

    Seems like the sky is falling, and it might get worse, but it will get better, and when you get one win and turn it into two, things can really get rolling. Given all the dynamics in play, I expect that it will really take-off at the end of the year.

    It’s very easy and conveniant to make harsh, rushed judgements right now. I know the players seem to be subconsiously internalizing those kind of judgements, too, which is why it might take awhile.

  90. ruruland

    But look, the Nuggets, a team bringing back Nene and Gallo, two players some people believe are top 3 on that team, have really struggled since they came back.

    They needed a miracle 3pt foul shot to beat Sacramento, had trouble putting away the Hornets, and lost to Cleveland and Memphis on the most important homestand of the year.

    The Spurs have actually regressed some with the return of Ginobli, and that’s a team that’s played hundreds of hours together.

    Shoot, just two weeks ago, this same Sixers team had lost five in a row and 10 of 12 and struggled to put away Charlotte to start their bad stretch.

    Their schedule was quite comparable, perhaps easier, than this five game strech the Knicks have played.

    How do you explain what Boston has done? It’s not as if they don’t have the horses.

    Look at the Lakers, dealing with rumors and can’t beat anyone on the road.

    The Mavericks have lost nine of their last 12, and have been getting blown out of the building by inferior teams.

    All of these teams, you just know, are going to play better.

    Outside of Miami, and the Thunder (who’ve won a ton of really close games) there aren’t any teams that haven’t suffered prolonged losing streaks, who haven’t been on a roller coaster all year.

    Some of the “doormats” have played extremely well of late. The Warriors, Cavs, Nets and Jazz have all had winning streaks against good teams. The Bucks have beaten the Heat twice, Philly twice the Spurs and Lakers at home.

    There is parity in the NBA and success is fragile.

    You know, going into the playoffs last year Dallas had no real momentum. A lot of folks expected another quick exit. That team lost seven of eight in March, and had a four game losing streak at the end of the year in a stretch many thought would define their season

    You cannot begin to judge this team until they win a couple of games back to back. I know some of you think that won’t happen ;),but it will in the next…

  91. RastaPappa

    What Doc Rivers has done so nicely in Boston? Idk! When KG went to Boston I thought that Celtics is done. But man Doc is da man. We need the real coach if we are going to keep Stat and Melo. Find one and I’ll be happy to pay checks.

  92. hoolahoop

    ruruland: Knicks assist rate is one of the best in the league with everyone back. I’m not sure how long you’ve followed the NBA but good defenses can typically thwart penetration– penetration is what creates ball movement.

    The other way to create ball movement is by getting the ball inside 15 feet to a guy who creates double teams.

    When the Knicks did that today they were able to penetrate and get easy looks, or easier looks.

    You have no clue what you’re talking about. The ball finds energy. Player motion and the commitment to find the open man is the formula for ball movement.
    A double teamed, sticky finger Melo holding the ball is not ball movement..
    Yes, penetration breaks down defenses and helps ball movement, but NOT passing to Melo holding the ball.

    I will not waste my time anymore replying to your Melo advocacy.

  93. hoolahoop

    Although a few of the Melo apologists enjoy it, ruru’s contstant advocacy of Melo is sickening to me. Some of the best posters on this board this season said the same thing and have stopped posting here.

    Ruru is compensated to post here.
    Ruru was not a knicks fan. He only came to this forum after melo was traded here. He used to post the same nonsense on the Denver Nuggets forum. Remember, when you’re debating with him he’s paid to defend melo. His endless posts that dominate the message board are all the same. Melo melo melo melo.

    And that’s just wrong on Melo’s part. This forum is not real anymore. Can you imagine if all players paid guys to infiltrate our fandom?

    I’m outta here.
    Good luck my knicks brothers.

  94. sisterray

    ruruland: The other way to create ball movement is by getting the ball inside 15 feet to a guy who creates double teams.

    When the Knicks did that today they were able to penetrate and get easy looks, or easier looks.

    When Melo gets double-teamed, he often shoots anyway. When he doesn’t shoot, he often throws an ill-advised cross-court pass through the paint. These long passes through the most trafficked part of the court rarely set up a teammate and will often get picked off by good defenses.

    Melo-ball favors missed shots, turnovers, and stagnation. It’s not surprising that when the Knicks play Melo-ball games, they lose basketball games.

  95. chrisk06811

    2FOR18: apparently ruru used to by “chrisxxxxx”, as per post # 45…“I like the trade. We are a LOT better now. If/when we gel, we could sneak up on someone. Sheldon is 27, balkman 26. Is Mosgov really that much more full of potential?”http://knickerblogger.net/poll-would-you-do-this-deal/

    Dude…..I’m that guy. And, I stand by what I wrote than as being accurate.
    Sheldon Williams WAS indeed 27, balkman WAS 26. Mosgov wasn’t really that full of potential. I did like the trade. All 4 are facts.

    I did like the trade. I don’t think the trade was bad. We didn’t give up that much for Melo, in terms of what players have done since. But, we are tied up financially for a long time, and it’s not working out. It happens.

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