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Thursday, October 23, 2014

Quick Reaction: Knicks 99, Bullets 96

New York Knicks 99 Final
Recap | Box Score
96 Washington Wizards
Carmelo Anthony, SF 36 MIN | 16-33 FG | 3-5 FT | 7 REB | 4 AST | 37 PTS | +4

I was so euphoric over the Knicks pulling out the “win” against the lowly ‘Zards, I totally missed the fact that Melo — who once again carried the team, albeit inefficiently — limped off the court afterwards. Given Anthony’s Herculean effort, you’d think the injury would have something to do with shoulder, back, or guts. Turns out Baron Davis made his now infamous typo a few days early, and about the wrong player. (That’s my snarky way of saying it was a penis injury.)

Amare Stoudemire, PF 41 MIN | 9-21 FG | 5-6 FT | 12 REB | 2 AST | 23 PTS | +5

For the second consecutive game, Stat put up strong numbers, and looked really awkward doing it. Then again, he did attack the offensive glass with aplomb on more than a few occasions, and didn’t let Andray Blatche have the kind of career game many of us worried he might. In short, we’ll take it — and take it smiling. But 41 minutes? Yikes.

Tyson Chandler, C 36 MIN | 3-6 FG | 6-8 FT | 15 REB | 2 AST | 12 PTS | -3

Despite a few lapses on defense opposite a much improved JaVale McGee, this was a pretty standard issue Tyson performance: Efficient, non-nonsense, nasty, and vocal. After a slow start on the glass, Chandler seems to be picking up steam.

Toney Douglas, PG 12 MIN | 0-5 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 PTS | -12

After days of speculation that Mike D’Antoni might start rookie Iman Shumpert, many wondered whether Douglas or Landry Fields would be the odd man out. As it turns out, it took a horrendous first half performance from TD to compel the Knicks skipper to pull the Shumpert trigger. The big concern now must be how to assure Toney can readjust to coming off the bench, and still maintain the confidence he’ll need to be effective in that old-new-old role.

Landry Fields, G 18 MIN | 1-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 1 AST | 2 PTS | +12

Like his fellow starting guard, Fields was completely ineffective against the quicker, more athletic Wizards back court. In the wake of Shumpert’s solid second half performance, it’s probable Fields will retain the starting two-guard spot for the time being. All the while, the Baron bell threatens to toll for thee.

Mike Bibby, PG 21 MIN | 4-6 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 3 AST | 11 PTS | -11

After an utterly anemic start to the season — and the game — Bibby finally found his range, hitting all three of his tries from distance, sacrificing for a key charge, and looking like a legitimate shooting guard option opposite Iman Shumpert during the second half. John Wall also ate his face.

Bill Walker, SG 20 MIN | 1-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 4 REB | 2 AST | 2 PTS | -3

Walker once again couldn’t find the range. Still, he managed to play passable defense and grab some boards, which should count for something. (I’m actually making all of this up — I don’t remember looking at Bill Walker once during the game).

Iman Shumpert, G 37 MIN | 4-11 FG | 1-2 FT | 3 REB | 7 AST | 10 PTS | +20

Everyone knew Shump’s coming out party Wednesday — wherein the precocious rook poured in 18 on 6-10 shooting — was more a hopeful glimpse ahead than a hardened bellwether. But even with his shot falling short — and wide, and long — Shumpert looked passable at the point, feisty on D, and in the ear of scrub and star alike.

Josh Harrellson, F 19 MIN | 1-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 6 REB | 1 AST | 2 PTS | +3

Jorts strengthened his case for continued backup burn, though the effort remained more scrappy than spectacular. He clearly bothered JaVale McGee — a good six inches his vertical senior — on a number of possessions, nabbed some difficult ‘bounds, and flashed that Jortsian smile to the delight of teenage girls nowhere.

Five Things We Saw

  1. After a truly pukey start — bricks, turnovers, roadside house defense — Amar’e Stoudemire finally got back to basics for a key stretch in the second half, scoring a couple easy buckets on slashes and in transition. Few doubt Stat’s midrange game will eventually find its way back to form, but his third quarter point blank flurry should remind everyone — and most of all Stat himself — how dangerous he can be around the basket.
  2. John Wall breaks cameras.
  3. Making good on hints planted throughout the week, Mike D’Antoni heeded the calls of hot hand and angry fan, starting Iman Shumpert for the second half. The results were encouraging, if not entirely definitive: A team high +/- of +20 serves as at least a partial indication of how effectively — and, more importantly, within himself — the promising rookie played. Now the question becomes whether Toney Douglas, suffering as he must from perpetual rotation whiplash, can adjust to rediscovering his inner insta-offense pedigree.
  4. Once again, Carmelo Anthony carried the Knick offense for extended periods in both halves. He abused repeatedly pretty much anyone not named Marty Booker, picking his spots and for the most part making sound decisions with the ball. Obviously we’d prefer he not hoist up 32 balloons a game. But until the Knicks find a reliable and consistent floor general, nights like these are likely to be more the rule than the exception.
  5. After falling behind by as many as 16 in the first quarter — as in the first 12 minutes of the game… against the Washington Wizards — the Knicks could’ve easily packed it in, echoed their grab bag of excuses, and promised a breakout tomorrow in Detroit. Instead, they hunkered down on D (sorta), attacked the tin, and, most predictably, started making shots. Neither of which could’ve come sooner.

58 comments on “Quick Reaction: Knicks 99, Bullets 96

  1. Frank

    Actually in the game I saw Melo absolutely ate Singleton for lunch. He scored on like 5 straight iso’s with Singleton guarding him 1-on-1 in the 3rd.

    And seriously – a B for Shumpert? We are obviously grading on sort of a wicked curve here. If TD was a D then Shumpert was like that kid in a Christmas Story with the teacher writing A++++++++ all around the room. Shump gets an A- at least for 5 steals, 7 assists, and overall bringing sanity to the team. He caused at least 8 Wiz turnovers on his own.

    Meanwhile, to the graders — we should be less afraid to give someone an F. TD had zero points on 0-5 shooting, 3 turnovers in 12 minutes, and played awful defense. Chris Duhon would’ve been 100x better than TD was tonight.

    TD has a warrior’s mentality and I hope he doesn’t take tonight too hard. We will need him to contribute a lot before the season is up.

  2. BigBlueAL

    TD needs to go back to 6th man role where he wont have to worry as much about running the offense and can just look for his own shot.

  3. jon abbey

    “John Wall also ate his face. ”

    best line of the season so far, kudos. is there a more lopsided potential matchup in pure end to end speed at PG right now than Wall/Bibby? and am I the only one almost screaming at my set for NY to occasionally get the ball over halfcourt before the clock gets to 17? Mike’s next shirts (after the sure best seller SHUMP SHUMP) should be ’22 seconds or more’ or the even more obscure ‘TSOM’.

  4. jon abbey

    so I was a game early, but if Melo is OK for Detroit, now it’s pretty clear that Shumpert and Fields (yoiks) should start that game. Douglas is a sixth man if this team is going to do anything, so let him start getting used to that, and Shumpert is the only one on the roster who’s shown any signs of being able to run an offense so far.

  5. d-mar

    Just to address some of the Melo comments on the prior thread, the gist being: “if Melo would only do this” “Melo took some awful shots” “it took 33 shots to get 37 pts” etc. etc. Tonight Paul Pierce was 3-17 in a loss and Derrick Rose was 7-18 in a win. Do you think their fans are bitching about their efficiency? Scorers take shots, some will look bad, some will look good. Some nights will be better than others. Who exactly should have been taking the shots at the end of that game, which the Knicks were so desperate to win?

    I just don’t get the anti-Melo sentiment, he’s doing everything you could ask to help the Knicks win games.

  6. BigBlueAL

    d-mar:
    Just to address some of the Melo comments on the prior thread, the gist being: “if Melo would only do this” “Melo took some awful shots” “it took 33 shots to get 37 pts” etc. etc. Tonight Paul Pierce was 3-17 in a loss and Derrick Rose was 7-18 in a win. Do you think their fans are bitching about their efficiency? Scorers take shots, some will look bad, some will look good. Some nights will be better than others. Who exactly should have been taking the shots at the end of that game, which the Knicks were so desperate to win?

    I just don’t get the anti-Melo sentiment, he’s doing everything you could ask to help the Knicks win games.

    You couldve also cited Kobe and his shooting numbers for about 75% of his games lol

  7. ruruland

    d-mar: Just to address some of the Melo comments on the prior thread, the gist being: “if Melo would only do this” “Melo took some awful shots” “it took 33 shots to get 37 pts” etc. etc. Tonight Paul Pierce was 3-17 in a loss and Derrick Rose was 7-18 in a win. Do you think their fans are bitching about their efficiency? Scorers take shots, some will look bad, some will look good. Some nights will be better than others. Who exactly should have been taking the shots at the end of that game, which the Knicks were so desperate to win?I just don’t get the anti-Melo sentiment, he’s doing everything you could ask to help the Knicks win games.

    It’s insanity.

    It’s, uh, ironic, that these posters talk about how poorly the supporting cast plays vis-a-vi, poor shooting, lack of confidence and bad decisions with ball, and then with the other hand (in a backhanded fashion) criticizes Melo for not passing the ball to these players enough…. or, perhaps, Melo should be making more shots by himself more often..

  8. nicos

    I will give Melo credit for repeatedly taken the ball to the rim even though he got blocked a half a dozen times- if he does that rather than settling for 17 footers he’ll keep his TS% right where it is and be worth every penny we’re paying him. Of course, if he learns to dish off of his drives when the opposing big rotates, he’ll be frontrunner for MVP. Still, down the stretch he just started chucking- no ball movement, barely even waiting for a screen, basically doing everything always complains about him doing (unjustly much of the time since he’s been here IMO). Yes, he hit the big three but that last stretch was ugly. Shumpert has a few things to clean up- stopping the ball in transition, getting lost on switches a few times, but he has the potential to be all-NBA good on the defensive end and on offense, actually looked like a real point guard at times. If he can figure out the P & R (didn’t run it much with him, if at all) he’ll be an absolute steal. even if he struggles to hit from outside. I thought Singleton looked pretty good as well, though Melo did overpower him multiple times- still given our guard situation, I’m very happy with Shump.

  9. Degree_Absolute

    I am as anti-Melo as they come, but tonight he was spectacular. He played to his full potential making quick decisions and big time shots. Even when he missed a long, contested J, he FOLLOWED his shot and got the board. I honestly can’t recall seeing him do that before. No “fake hustle” tonight. Good job, Melo.

  10. ruruland

    Can you really be a Knicks fan and be anti-Melo?

    Maybe you should find a new team until Melo is elsewhere or retired.

  11. JK47

    Melo had a TS% in the .530’s– I think it was .536 or something but I’m too lazy to calculate it again. Not lights-out efficient, but not horrible. The refs did not blow a lot of whistles tonight, and on a few of the shots where Melo was blocked he might have gotten a foul call on another night, so I think a B+ s is fair. Remember the guy is a small forward and he is being asked to be the playmaker in crunch time. He was bringing the ball up the court on every possession in the last few minutes, essentially playing point guard. I’m not gonna get mad at him because he didn’t play like John Stockton. out there.

  12. Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta)

    ruruland:
    Can you really be a Knicks fan and be anti-Melo?

    Maybe you should find a new team until Melo is elsewhere or retired.

    You just got here, ruruland. Maybe you should tone down the volume, K?

  13. danvt

    @robert silverman– nice Humphries article for NYT!!! I left a comment there.

    We won. When we were losing by 16 I was starting to think maybe we were the worst team in the NBA right now. At least I know we’re not that.

    Shumpert should get an A. This was the night he took the starting job. He gets a =20 and cracks the starting rotation of the Knicks three games into his playing career. The team turned the game around when he came in and he gets a B. Tough town!

  14. Degree_Absolute

    The Wizards fans around me were groaning whenever Melo touched the ball in the 4th. It is weird to have a player that opposing fans (and players) dread. I am so used to the opposite.

    Also, Wall is ridiculous. He basically got to the rim at will and he is an excellent finisher. No one could really stop him although Shump’s length looked like it may have challenged him a bit. I was hoping D’Antoni would throw Lin out there to rehash the famous Summer League match up… maybe next time.

  15. rohank

    I agree with teh grades except that TD clearly deserved an F. NO positives whatsoever.

    Also, Shumpert probably deserved an A- at the very least. The ONLY flaw I could see from him tonight was shooting. and still. 4-11, not 0-5…

  16. Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta)

    Even though he was 4-11, I really didn’t have an issue w/any one of Shumpert’s shots — he missed a couple of threes that were wide open & a 20 footer, but he’s playing w/in the flow of the offense.

    Then again, considering the Knicks recent draft history (Cough, Landry, Cough…Cough, Frye, cough…Cough, Toney, Cough), he’ll probably be awesome for 50 games and then completely fall apart

  17. danvt

    I think Iman looks very much like a point guard out there. Pretty good handle, very vocal, and waving guys around. He found Chandler on one or maybe two beautiful passes where he would have gotten an assist but Tyson got fouled and an assist total of 9 would have really been eye popping. Seems like his height is a great asset as far as finding people. Kind os a Magic Johnson type point guard. I’m not saying he’ll be that good, just that he’s got that bigger body for the position. Was Mark Jackson a 17th pick or was that Rod Strickland?

  18. Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta)

    danvt:
    I think Iman looks very much like a point guard out there.Pretty good handle, very vocal, and waving guys around.He found Chandler on one or maybe two beautiful passes where he would have gotten an assist but Tyson got fouled and an assist total of 9 would have really been eye popping.Seems like his height is a great asset as far as finding people.Kind os a Magic Johnson type point guard.I’m not saying he’ll be that good, just that he’s got that bigger body for the position.Was Mark Jackson a 17th pick or was that Rod Strickland?

    Jax was 18. Strick was 19. Iman reminds me a LOT of Micheal “Sugar” Ray Richardson. Smooth athlete, ballhawk defender, supremely confident, streaky shooter, and coked to the gills (joke)

    This is from Tina Cervasio’s blog. She makes a great point about the coaching staff changing Landry’s shot. Possibly a big reason he’s struggling from three

    “• Landry Fields is a completely different shooter than when the Knicks drafted him. The coaching staff has completely changed his shot and release and it’s still a work in progress. He used to catch-and-shoot at Stanford and he was always inside and facing the basket. With his moves off the dribble and him putting the ball on the floor, he’s still thinking a lot, but the coaches see it all syncing up now where he can just play and take his shot when it’s open.”

    http://www.msg.com/blogs/tina-cervasio/tina-s-notebook-friday-jan-6-at-the-wizards-1.80513

  19. Z

    ruruland:
    Can you really be a Knicks fan and be anti-Melo?

    Maybe you should find a new team until Melo is elsewhere or retired.

    Uh… We made it through Stephon Marbury, Eddy Curry, Zach Randolph, Steve Francis, Larry Hughes, et al… I think we’ve earned our loyaly stripes.

  20. hoolahoop

    ruruland:
    Can you really be a Knicks fan and be anti-Melo?

    Maybe you should find a new team until Melo is elsewhere or retired.

    Hey Melo fanboy, I’ve been a die hard knicks fan probably since before you were born . . . and I’m not on the Melo bandwagon. Eat my shorts.

  21. latke

    I am not a huge fan of Anthony — I think he’s overrated — but I thought Melo played very well tonight. He really attacked the rim. Yeah, he got blocked a few times, but he’s so powerful and such a good finisher, that if he’ll rarely miss the shots that don’t get blocked.

    If Anthony’s hip is really a problem, tomorrow’s game will be interesting. What will this team look like with STAT at the center of the offense again? We saw a good number of pick and rolls tonight. Will Stoudemire try to ISO like Melo?

    John Wall is definitely overrated. He is really quick with the ball, but he can’t shoot for beans and he lacks the physicality and/or finesse to score in traffic. If he can learn to shoot the three, he could end up a Mike Conley type player, but I feel like he’s a long shot to be any more than that.

  22. tenebrous

    hoolahoop: Hey Melo fanboy, I’ve been a die hard knicks fan probably since before you were born . . . and I’m not on the Melo bandwagon. Eat my shorts.

    If melo had a wagon he surely won’t let u on it … Ur stripes r stricken

  23. tenebrous

    JK47:
    What would Toney D have to do to get an F?He played about as badly as you can play.

    He can change his name to fields

  24. Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta)

    Guys, please – watch it with directing derogatory remarks directly at other commenters.

  25. jon abbey

    Melo’s a tough superstar to root for, dude just holds the ball endlessly and it’s not a pretty kind of basketball to watch.

  26. Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta)

    jon abbey:
    Melo’s a tough superstar to root for, dude just holds the ball endlessly and it’s not a pretty kind of basketball to watch.

    Yep.

  27. BigBlueAL

    I grew up with the 90’s Knicks where under Riley it was 100% post-ups for Ewing then with Van Gundy where it was 50% ISO for Houston/Spree and 50% post-ups for Ewing/LJ (nobody held the ball endlessly more than LJ when he posted up).

    As much as I loved those teams Melo holding the ball endlessly is a much better offense than anything those teams did lol. Granted I was too young to remember Pitino’s Knicks teams which were run and gun but I do remember watching Ewing dominate the Celtics in the 1990 playoffs.

  28. BigBlueAL

    BTW my only point is to someone like me Ive never seen the Knicks run a really good offense until last season. So to me watching Melo play ISO alot doesnt bother or offend me. I can understand fans who remember watching the championship Knicks teams since they were famous for team play and ball movement but I cant relate to that lol.

    Bernard King is considered a fan favorite and Knicks legend yet the 2 good Knicks teams he was on had an offense from what I could tell based all on him scoring one-on-one or posting up Cartwright (the offensive ratings from those teams is not very good, bottom half of the NBA). He averaged 2.9 and 2.1 asts/g those seasons. Did you guys not like watching him play too?? King was extremely efficient those seasons though, wish I was old enough to have watched him play for the Knicks.

  29. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    Good win. Well, honestly, any win is good right now, ya know? But still, good win.

    Is anyone else fascinated by how Gallo has re-invented himself? He’s having a very good season (probably his best yet) while being atrocious from three. Dude has a 52% TS!!! And yet he has become a freakin’ defensive dynamo while becoming a strong rebounder and a very good assist guy. So freaking weird. Can anyone imagine the Gallo we saw for the last few years being good because of his defense, his rebounding and his assists?!? That Afflalo contract is going to hurt Denver a bit when it comes time to negotiate with Gallo.

  30. BigBlueAL

    I know he had 6 assists tonight but coming into this game he was averaging 2.3 asts/g. 5.6 reb/g is an improvement but not a real dramatic one. Ive mentioned before how much more athletic he looks this season but Ive seen him take and miss so many ugly 3pters and long jumpers this season. Its weird watching him play now like you said lol

  31. BigBlueAL

    If Im not mistaken though wasnt that the scouting report on him coming out of Europe initially?? Not a great shooter but a real good ball-handler for his size?? Funny thing is I know his 3pt stats from Europe this season were pretty bad too, below 30% I believe.

  32. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    Yeah, good point. Could it be how he was being used in New York? Maybe D’Antoni was limiting him too much by making him strictly an outside shooter? For instance, like I mentioned, D’Antoni playing him at the 4 was a disaster, but it seems weird that D’Antoni would be the reason his assists and rebounding were so poor. Then again, I guess sometimes young players just get better on their own, as well.

  33. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    It is a good thing that the East is so bad. The Knicks are currently just a half-game behind the pace for the #8 spot in the Conference!!

  34. BigBlueAL

    I think his back injury his rookie season had alot to do with the way he played his first 2 seasons. Gallo definitely started driving a helluva lot more last season with the Knicks. Though it sure looks like D’Antoni was the reason he shot 3pters well lol

  35. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    I think his back injury his rookie season had alot to do with the way he played his first 2 seasons. Gallo definitely started driving a helluva lot more last season with the Knicks. Though it sure looks like D’Antoni was the reason he shot 3pters well lol

    Just like how things all went downhill when Marbury said he was the best point guard in the NBA, everything went downhill when D’Antoni said that Gallo was the best three-point shooter he ever saw!

  36. nicos

    Tough to pick up assists when for the most part you’re only touching the ball on kick-outs. That said, his assist numbers this year are still below average for a small forward (13.08 AR going into tonight’s game- the average for a small forward last year was 16). Also tough to get on the offensive glass when you spend most of your time out by the three point line but his poor defensive rebounding numbers were- to my eyes anyway- simply the result of a lack of effort. Again, his numbers are improved but hardly earth shattering. His defense on the ball was pretty good last year though his help defense was Melo-esque so I’m not shocked at his improvement there. You can’t argue with the Nuggets success, however, and Gallo’s certainly been a solid contributor in the few games I’ve watched- he is moving the ball better and making a real effort on the boards.

  37. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    Taking a look at the team the Knicks are trailing and staying on the theme of players who have improved a lot this year, what the hell is up with Spencer Hawes?!?

    Hawes has been roughly a 50% TS shooter for his career until this year, where his TS is 68%!

    His assist rate is up to 17.7% (up from roughly 11%) and his rebound rate is also at a career high 19.3% (where he had been roughly a 14% rebound rate over his career).

    His per game stats have moved from 21 minutes a game to 32 minutes a game and he’s averaging 13 and 11, up from 7 and 6 last year!

  38. art vandelay

    As much as we lament Melo’s failings, and he certainly has many, we should be happy we finally have a closer who hits big shots down the stretch…I can’t remember the last time we had someone like that….as much as we adored Ewing….he seemed to always come up short in key moments…I am just happy to have a go-to guy at the end of games…not to say that melo is a perfect specimen by any stretch, but let’s appreciate him for a change and get over the particulars of the trade that brough him here!!!

  39. Mulligan

    How did this gem get overlooked? “and flashed that Jortsian smile to the delight of teenage girls nowhere.” ha!

  40. Z-man

    Selective memory re: Ewing, he was the reason those teams went to the playoffs every year and made plenty of big shots in big games for a decade. On the other hand, Melo missed the big shot vs. the Bobcats and in many other games. Yes, Melo is great to have in that spot, but so was Ewing.

  41. Matt Smith

    Am I the only one who thinks Chandler’s grade is a little too generous? I saw way too many easy buckets in the paint for a guy who’s supposed to be our anchor in the middle. He got a lot better by the 4th quarter, but way too many people were scoring layups at will on the Wizards, and most of the time I was asking myself why Tyson wasn’t switching off to help.

  42. Matt Smith

    Also, JP – your writing has been absolutely outstanding so far this season. Keep it up, man. I thought I was a decent technical writer, but I could never hope to pen even one of the creative phrases you’re pulling from your nether regions with the greatest of ease.

  43. danvt

    I get most of my best info on the K’s from deriving a consensus of opinion from the bloggers here. It’s the best basketball site by far.
    (which is why I appreciate the admonishment to keep the personal attacks to a minimum. We don’t want KB to turn into a vacuous espn.com comment area) So, after watching TD struggle initiating the offense, reading the almost universal bad reviews here, and then seeing comments from the likes of David Lee, etc. I had to revise my thesis that he’s a modern day Starks. Then, last night, coach D, tired of being behind cellar dwelling teams by ten points or more, benched him in the second half. KBers ahead of the curve.

    On Melo, I think this board is the only place you’ll hear anything negative about him. Everywhere else it’s “Melo paces the Knicks with 37…” Again, I like him because I associate him with tough Big East basketball, but, like most players, he has strengths and weaknesses. So, what we see on this board, from most of the esteemed regulars is thoughtful analysis, and not a lot of rose colored glasses. I’ve aligned myself with the more appreciative watchers. The three point play to put the Knicks up by 10 was the type of shot only a handful of NBA players could make. He had another like it later in the game as well. And the winning three pointer.

    For the Knicks to win, though, I think the ball needs to move more and he needs to score less. However, that means other guys need to step up, which, hopefully now happens with Shumpert running the offense. When Melo has that many points it’s kind of like a quarterback throwing for a lot of yards in the NFL. You see a lot of 300+ yard games from quarterbacks in losses. The running game stops working and QB’s have to compensate.

  44. Jim Cavan (@JPCavan) Post author

    Thanks, Matt. That means a lot. And yes, the ass is a good place to go for a good line in a bind.

    Here’s why I gave Toney a D, and not an F: Having only played 12 minutes, he just wasn’t out there long enough to do any serious long term damage during the game. Credit D’Antoni for recognizing TD’s struggles and adjusting accordingly. If D’A had continued to ride TD — started him for the second half, etc. — and ish continued to go south, then sure, he might’ve warranted an F.

    But regardless, his confidence is clearly shaken. Hopefully the guys — including Shump — can pick TD up and he can go back to being the bench spark plug we desperately need.

  45. tastycakes

    Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin):
    Taking a look at the team the Knicks are trailing and staying on the theme of players who have improved a lot this year, what the hell is up with Spencer Hawes?!?

    Hawes has been roughly a 50% TS shooter for his career until this year, where his TS is 68%!

    His assist rate is up to 17.7% (up from roughly 11%) and his rebound rate is also at a career high 19.3% (where he had been roughly a 14% rebound rate over his career).

    His per game stats have moved from 21 minutes a game to 32 minutes a game and he’s averaging 13 and 11, up from 7 and 6 last year!

    1. Contract year.
    2. Collins didn’t play him last year for some reason, but his numbers 2 and 3 years ago are at least reasonably close to what he’s doing now.
    3. He had one 9 assist game early in the year that is probably inflating his assist numbers a bit. Philly’s only played 6 times you know!

    But I’m glad I have him in both my fantasy leagues :)

    He looks like a better than serviceable pro center. Speaking of which, I caught much of the second half of the Nuggets game last night, and Kosta Koufos is AWESOME. Athletic, blocking shots, finishing in the lane… really impressive getting some burn now that Nene is out.

  46. chrisk06811

    Z: Uh… We made it through Stephon Marbury, Eddy Curry, Zach Randolph, Steve Francis, Larry Hughes, et al… I think we’ve earned our loyaly stripes.

    When I got here, Edmund Sherod was running the point. But, if you blew past him, you had to deal with Marvin Webster. The Human eraser. I believe Marvin is now a city councilman in baltimore (OK…I may have made that up).

  47. A Voice of Reason

    Melo is Melo. Get over it!

    Being that he played at Syracuse, you’d assume the fans would know what they are getting. A marksman from 13-20, a bull in the paint, with an elite perimeter first step. He is an offensive machine. He’s no less “efficient” than Kobe or Durant. Kobe has Gasol (top 3 PF) and Bynum (top 3 C), and Durant has an ALL NBA PG, something that helps him immensely. If Westbrook was here, Melo would be a much more “efficient” player. He’d be allowed to do what he does. He gets ridiculed but he is literally tearing it up this season. He is shooting the three better than he ever has, challenging the other players to shoot when open, making good passes out of double teams, and rebounding the ball with aggression. If we can get a role player to actually play his role, a-la, IMAAAAN, his assist numbers would be around 4.5-6.5/pg

    Sure we gave away too much for him (although Gallo staying would have been a FA/chemistry disaster..they really should have held onto felton, he was playing career ball running the p@r with Amare) but that does not mean that he is not who “they” say he is. 25 teams in this league would kill for a talented 3 with size and good rebounding instincts. His passing will only get better with experience. His passing ability is top 3 among SF, but his passing savvy is still being developed. That was typed with a straight face.

    The Key to the Season is Amare learning to set up shop a little closer to the hoop and use that advantage of quicks to get around bigger, and his strength to go through smaller. This team is also a FT shooting team. Melo, Tyson, and ‘Mare are 3, 4 and 9 in the league in FT attempts a game. That will benefit us when BD comes in and slows things down a bit. Those possessions will mean more, and those FT’s will mean more as a result.

    Knicks fans we shall be fine. We aren’t the Heat, Thunder, or Bulls. We are the Knicks, and we are as good as we work to be.

  48. xduckshoex

    @56 – Outside of the 7 games that have been played this season, Melo being as efficient as Kobe and Durant is demonstrably false, and giving credit to their teammates requires a certain disconnection from reality.

    First, Kobe pre-Gasol trade and Kobe post-Gasol trade were not really that different, media narratives be damned. Everybody loved to pretend that the reason the Lakers were winning was because Kobe was “getting it” and using his teammates more, yet his usage rate and scoring efficiency have stayed more or less the same; in fact, his scoring efficiency has dropped more than his usage rate has, if he was sharing the ball more and picking his spots that wouldn’t be the case.

    Second, Westbrook has been terrible this season and Durant’s numbers haven’t changed.

    Those guys are what they are, and like most wing players it doesn’t really matter what kind of team they are on, their game will be pretty much the same.

  49. Eternal OptiKnist

    Does anyone know if Donnie Walsh has commented on Shump’s early performance? I know he took a lot of flak for the pick. Man, I miss having him around..he was such a confident and calming presence.

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