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Wednesday, November 26, 2014

Quick Reaction: Knicks 104, Nets 95

New York Knicks 104 Final
Recap | Box Score
95 New Jersey Nets
Carmelo Anthony, SF 35 MIN | 11-21 FG | 6-6 FT | 7 REB | 4 AST | 33 PTS | +15

There’s a rather clunky bit of statistical analysis that’s been bouncing around for a few years which more or less says that the “Hot Hand” doesn’t really exist — that no matter how many home runs a slugger belts in a week, no matter how many games in a row a team wins, the likelihood of success in the next at-bat or the next game is no different than it is when no hot streak exists and a hot streak is simply an expected variation in an extended, observable pattern of events, the way a coin is likely to come up heads 10 times in a row at some point if you toss it 10,000 times. That’s all fine and dandy, but I’ve done some performing (non-sporting variety) and I have to say, that’s a load of bunk. I’ve been in the zone and it definitely exists. After 21 glorious first quarter points, ‘Melo appeared to have taken up permanent residence. Alas, he seriously cooled off the rest of the game, going 5-15 after canning his first six shots, but like Jimmy C said last night, this is the most potent offensive display ‘Bocker-backers have seen since the reign of the one true King. And the chase-down, LeBron-style block? Just scrumptious.

Landry Fields, G 19 MIN | 1-5 FG | 1-2 FT | 3 REB | 1 AST | 3 PTS | +14

So this is the new normal for our former 2nd round wunderkind, it seems — one or two swell passes and passable defense thoroughly offset by enough bricks to build a comfortably-sized 4-storey brownstone on the Upper West Side of Manhattan. He’s a starter in name only, at this point, but I can’t imagine Landry will even be permitted to hold on to that nom de guerre if STAT’s starting. Like Poor Toney Douglas, I remain baffled by the utter deterioration of his game.

Tyson Chandler, C 37 MIN | 5-7 FG | 8-11 FT | 10 REB | 2 AST | 18 PTS | +21

Another dandy set of numbers for Tyson, even if to the naked eye, it didn’t seem like his most dominating effort. Like many of his mates, he started off absolutely punishing the Nets but Soon of Wood must eased off the throttle on the “KILL-DESTROY-ANNIHILATE” lever on T-1000.

Mike Bibby, PG 36 MIN | 3-10 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 8 AST | 8 PTS | +18

Well that was pleasant. With Baron Davis sitting with a case of NetsTankingAnywayCouldUseTheNightOffitis, Bibby got his second start of the season and certainly outperformed expectations. He pushed the tempo, wasn’t obliterated on D (though shutting down the likes of Sundiata Gaines and Armon Johnson isn’t exactly the first line on an all-defensive first team resume) and performed ran the pick and roll. It may sound like I’m damning him with faint praise, but considering the Nietzschean collection of the bungled (Baron) and the botched (Toney) that have manned the point, an 8 point, 8 dime effort looks mighty fine. He may be living on his rep, but Bibby does at least force an opponent to stick with him at the three point line.

Wait, am I trying to convince myself that Deadpool here should be starting? I’m sorry. The ball peen hammer I was whacking my forehead with as the Knicks threatened to blow the game clearly inflicted some serious cranial/cerebral damage. I apolosrgze in advance for any other errurs I makes in recap this.

Iman Shumpert, G 28 MIN | 4-6 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 5 AST | 8 PTS | -1

I remain anxious about Shump’s ankle. If this team has any hope of dealing with those godawful brutes at the top of the Eastern Conference in the playoffs, they’re going to need Iman to be at his thousand-limbed best. I can only hope that he stopped beating people off the dribble because of the, “Ha. This is a professional team? Really?!?” info banner that was just as plastered his forehead as it was to every other Knick and not because of a gammy limb.

Steve Novak, SF 27 MIN | 3-8 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 0 AST | 9 PTS | +13

Some timely treys notwithstanding, Novak’s hot hand (where have I heard that before?) didn’t travel well on the bus to Newark. Then again, nothing travels well on a bus ride to Newark, save for some mold-based life forms in and around the porcelain commodes in the back. One other thing — I’ve been consistently impressed with Novak’s defense. You expect him to be a total sieve, if only because of the “slope-shouldered, relatively un-athletic, looks-like-he should-be-preparing-potential-returns-to-audit-in-a-windowless-fluorescent-lit-office-in-a-sub-basement-of-a-particularly-musty-IRS-office-in-Peoria,IL-if-he-wasn’t-6’10” thing but even when he switches up and is guarding either a smaller, faster player like Rondo or a bigger, stronger player like Garnett, he does a decent job of forcing said player into a tough/contested shot. These moments are inevitably met with outright shock on the part of Breen or whomever is calling the game, like seeing a pygmy marmot recite Proust, but at this point, I think we have to start including Novak in any and all discussions about the Knicks vastly improved D. Or is this that brain damage/ball peen hammer thing again? Derp. Dorp.

J.R. Smith, SG 30 MIN | 6-16 FG | 0-0 FT | 8 REB | 2 AST | 15 PTS | -7

You remember that game, like, the other day, when like every shot that like JR and stuff threw up went in like we were playing NBA Jam but instead of like a video game it was, you know, real people and we weren’t controlling them like the video game but it felt like it did because they were, like, awesome, and everything was going in and stuff? Good times, good times. Yeah, tonight was the other Earl — the one who fires contested shots with about 28 seconds left on the shot clock and either purposely ignores or is only vaguely conscious of open teammates he could swing the ball to. Like his mismatched buddy-cop bench mate above, he came through with some clutch hoops in the 4th to fend off those pesky Nets, but ’twas not one of his finer efforts. There’s been some blather about comparing him to John Starks (for better and for worse) but honestly, J.R. really reminds me of Jamal Crawford. Like Jamal, there will be nights when he can absolutely carry a team and others where you’re screaming “NOOOOOOOO!!!” in futility at the screen. It’d be nifty if we knew what to expect heading into the playoffs but then again, expecting consistency from a gentleman who has THIS…

…tattooed on his back is probably a fool’s errand. I’ll let Earl explain:

“Just Klownin’ is just me being me. Got the football guy up there, from football to basketball, to my brothers and sisters, to my friends watching my back, it just plays a significant part of my life because all of the people that I have surrounded by me.”

He’s surrounded by imaginary, other-sport playing. malicious, sneering, possibly psychotic clowns. No wonder it’s so hard to hit open shots. Those fictional characters are distracting and scary!

Toney Douglas, PG 8 MIN | 0-2 FG | 3-4 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 3 PTS | -5

Ah Poor Toney. Like Mr. Fields above, I can’t say for sure what broke his shot, but you can see how it’s affected every other aspect of his game. You can see him thinking out there, and not in a good way. Sad face.

Jerome Jordan, C 2 MIN | 1-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 2 PTS | -7

Hi Jerome! How was Erie?

Bill Walker, SG 9 MIN | 1-3 FG | 1-1 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 3 PTS | -7

Is it just me, or did Billy pack on a few pounds during his extended hiatus?

Josh Harrellson, F 8 MIN | 1-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 4 REB | 0 AST | 2 PTS | -9

It’d be swell if Jorts could recover his early-season form, because running Tyson out there for 40 mpg is like asking for trouble. For now, we’ll have to be content with his increasing resemblance to the high-larious Rod Farva of Super Troopers fame.

Five Things We Saw

  1. We all spend a lot of time kvetching about the trails we Knick fans have had to endure this past decade, but I can’t even imagine the degree of masochism it’d take to be a long-suffering Net devotee. Tonight,the SG feed cut to a ticker they were running of everyone who has ever suited up in a Nets uni. Ed O’Bannon, Dennis Hopson, Benoit Benjamin, Yinka Dare, Pearl Washington, Derrick Coleman, Kenny Anderson — it was like the Vietnam Memorial of NBA draft busts, wasted potential and tragic failure. This evening, the “home” crowd tossed off the “M-V-P” chant for Melo (one that to the best of my recollection he’s never heard in the Garden) and even booed the Jerseyites as they were introduced fer Chrissakes. I get that any and all diehards in attendance might be a tad peeved at having their team shanghaied to Hipsterville, but it wasn’t as if the cats on the floor had any say in the matter. Ouch. Speaking of pain, with about seven minutes to go in the fourth, there was a fat guy in the front row wearing the shirt that said “talk” who got bonked in the melon because he wasn’t paying attention and texting during the game…hehe. Good.
  2. I don’t know about you, but I’m not really used to rooting for a team that’s expected to curb-stomp bad teams, as has pretty much been the case during the brief reign of the great Mr. Potato Headed-high holy fearless leader. So maybe building a serious lead and then letting a lesser opponent claw their way back is par for the course. Still, there was enough rotational tomfoolery and casual indifference to have me pacing and chain-smoking more cancer sticks than J.R had shots. Maybe I’m hand-wringing over nothing, but take a look at the quarter-by-quarter splits under Woodson (via Jared Dubin):

    That’s a problem. Like we saw in the Indiana game and even the 1st Chicago game where Melo (and some heinous foul shooting by the Bulls) saved their derrieres, a good team won’t squander opportunities. The Knicks got ahead by pushing the tempo. Why they reverted to walking the ball up as the game went on is beyond me.

  3. I get that they still won rather handily, but this is my forum for the evening so I’m going to continue to quibble about some disturbing trends. If I were the wagering type, I would have called my bookie and bet every penny (and it’s really just pennies at this point) left in my savings account that Novak/Smith wouldn’t reproduce their torrid shooting. It’s the old Pat Riley “Fool’s Gold” axiom. There will be nights when the shots rain down like manna from heaven and others when they rain down like a plague of frogs. They desperately need to unearth a play that’s not “Give the ball to Melo” that they can turn to consistently no matter how marvelously Anthony is playing right now. Which leads directly to my final point.
  4. …Friday is Amar’e Comes Back Day. And like clockwork, all the wags are nattering about how he’ll fit in. I’m far more concerned about his wonky back/general level of conditioning. But when Melo tosses off a post-game line like,”Who knows, I’ma still play my game, play the way I’ve been playing… As far as Amare he’ll come & fit right in…This is crunch time now so everybody’s just got to be on the same page & we make our run.” I get it. Not to overly parse Melo-speak, but it could easily be inferred as if he’s saying something to the effect of, “This is my team now and you’re going to have to take a backseat, good sir, whether you and your wonky spine like it or not.” We’ll see what happens. It’s good the Knicks don’t face any world beaters in the next few games because I predict (once again) that there’s going to be an adjustment period.
  5. And after all that, the Knicks are four games over .500 for the first time this season. Orlando lost to Boston, so the gap’s been reduced to three to avoid the two-headed MIA/CHI monster in Round One. Onward and Upward!

29 comments on “Quick Reaction: Knicks 104, Nets 95

  1. max fisher-cohen

    Nice job, Bob. You gotta make your Farva pic smaller though so the text doesn’t run over on the right side.

    I agree with all your points here. Tyson needs to play fewer minutes. He should be capped at 25 MPG, which really is not that much less than what he’s averaged in past seasons. We’re making the playoffs and the difference between playing Chicago and Miami is marginal. With Jeffries’ and Stoudemire’s health issues, we may need some minutes from Harrellson or Jordan, so let’s get them some burn.

    The shooting issue is a real concern. I don’t know that the issue is Melo isolating, although depending on getting double teams against better defenders, especially when there isn’t any crossmatching, is a somewhat precarious position. The fact is though that you always depend on shooting. Those dry nights where no one hits, even Chicago can lose those games.

    Another related issue which we have a ton of experience with is the fact that if Melo and Amare play heavy minutes, that’s one fewer shooter on the floor, which I think more than anything STAT or Melo has consciously decided, is the real cause for their struggles to play together. The only way to get two good shooters out there is to play Melo/Amare at the 4 & 5, which is a defense and rebounding disaster. I don’t know. I’m genuinely curious to see how these last few games play out.

  2. Gideon Zaga

    Ok seriously you guys are turning into a Heat blog, we are getting complacent because our team is winning or there’s really nothing or no one to bitch about. We gotta keep the momentum going, today’s game thread felt like a cemetery and those who posted were talking something off topic as the game was on. Not a lot of angry heads. I’m calling all the Knickerblogger mods and VIP people, not naming names you know yourselves haha where is your passion. It’s not all gravy yet. We’re not even arguing about grades anymore and who would have thought of that. Hey Brian how about a Melo is not a max player piece to revitalize our spirit. I don’t even know why I’m on this rant, maybe I’m high on medication or just bored. Maybe I’ll try the Bobcats blog they seem to have found their own Dolan in MJ.

  3. ruruland

    “It felt good,” said Anthony, who scored 33 points, with seven rebounds and four assists. “I’m not the MVP. It felt good to see the jerseys on the road, to see all the Knicks uniforms in the stands, the Knicks fans out there. It was a great Knicks atmosphere out there tonight.”

    Anthony gave the fans plenty to cheer about. He hit his first five shots, two of which were 3-pointers. Anthony scored 21 points in the first quarter. The entire Nets team had 22 first-quarter points.

    “I expect him to continue to play like that,” Knicks coach Mike Woodson said. “He’s not only playing well but he’s making the guys around him play better as well. That’s the sign of a great player in our league, and I’m happy for Melo because there was a lot of heat on him when he came to New York and it’s nice to see the benefits of playing well in New York.”

    “I don’t think I’ve felt like this in a while, just feeling good about myself, feeling good about my body, where I’m at physically, where I’m at mentally,” Anthony said.

    Gideon, I don’t know where everyone went, honestly.

  4. ruruland

    max fisher-cohen:

    The shooting issue is a real concern. I don’t know that the issue is Melo isolating, although depending on getting double teams against better defenders, especially when there isn’t any crossmatching, is a somewhat precarious position. The fact is though that you always depend on shooting. Those dry nights where no one hits, even Chicago can lose those games.

    Another related issue which we have a ton of experience with is the fact that if Melo and Amare play heavy minutes, that’s one fewer shooter on the floor, which I think more than anything STAT or Melo has consciously decided, is the real cause for their struggles to play together. The only way to get two good shooters out there is to play Melo/Amare at the 4 & 5, which is a defense and rebounding disaster. I don’t know. I’m genuinely curious to see how these last few games play out.

    The only way this team can currently create open shots is transition and Melo… Tonight you saw the consistent doubles and the 3-4 swings to open shooter against rotation– that’s great offense.

    What I like about bibby is that he can still shoot some and he’s not going to force anything…..Sit Diddy (is it really Diddy and Bibby?) down the rest of the regualr season and see if he can’t get back to being the guy he was when he first came back.

    I don’t see why people are worried about Amar’e– there’s no way Fields could be worse or have a worse effect on the offense…. He’s not going to play anymore. So, you give amar’e all of Fields minutes, plus the 10 minutes Melo is on the bench when the offense really struggles, and then 5 minutes for Chandler at the 5, and 5 extra minutes (take one from every other guy) That gives you 30-33 minutes….. I think he’s exactly what this team needs.

    I’m looking forward to seeing the plays Woodson creates for this potentially…

  5. ruruland

    Sorry, this is the important Melo quote I wanted to post earlier:

    “”Everything is clear. I have a lot of clarity right now. Everything is just fun, being out there with the guys playing basketball games. I told you guys when we were starting to make this stretch run that these are important times.”

  6. Brian Cronin

    The crazy West playoff race does help the Knicks, as both Utah and Denver are going to be playing to win against Orlando. But yeah, that Memphis game does seem like it might not matter much to Memphis, which could be a problem.

  7. Brian Cronin

    I really don’t care if anyone wants to talk crap about whatever player they want to talk crap about, but do not bring their ethnicity/race into it (like referring to Melo as “the Puerto Rican” – we’ve had a couple of similar comments regarding Lin in the past, as well). Out of bounds, even if you are doing what I guess could have possibly been intended as a satirical comment (like I imagine many of the Lin posts back during Linsanity were also intended as).

  8. KnickFanInCelticLand

    Bob,

    Nice write-up as always. Here’s my theory on TD without having his medical history/operative report. Shoulders are ball and socket joints (multi-plane motion) as compared to ankles, knees, and elbows (essentially mono-planar). Tendons sometimes have to be removed to work on the joint then reattached after the procedure. This can cause dramatic difference in how the joint functions post-op in the multi-planar joints as compared to the mono-planar hinge like joints. Things like ball rotation and assisting muscle action (read long distance shot accuracy) would be hampered.

    Again, I’m “shooting from the hip pocket” which…..does happen to be the other human ball and socket joint so rotation and accuracy of my statement could be altered. ;-)

  9. Nick C.

    I’m as baffled as anyone on Landry. He singlehandedly aborted a possession @ 10:00 of the third quarter. He got the ball from Bibby just outside the arc and stood there with the ball in one hand raise dabove his head as the clock ticked away until finally Melo came and balied him out with a few seconds left, unfortunately too few to avoid a 24 second violation. It was somewhere between unreal and surreal to watch unfold.

  10. Frank

    ruruland:

    Gideon, I don’t know where everyone went, honestly.

    as much as I love watching my Knicks play like this, KB has been less interesting because there’s just no conflict. Hard for THCJ, Owen, and the other anti-Melo-ites to spur 200 comment threads when in the month of April, he’s averaging 32.2/7.8/3.8 on a TS of 60.2 and a TOR of 7.7. He’s easily a top 5 player in the NBA when he’s playing like this. That 1st quarter last night was just ridiculous. Drives to the hoop, pull-up midrange, 5-5 from 3, and-1’s- he just had it all going on.

  11. Brian Cronin

    Game threads are driven by the importance of the game. If the Knicks were fighting for a playoff spot last night, there would have been a lot of traffic. Or if they were playing a good team, there would have been traffic (the Celtics game the previous night had a lot of traffic). But the Nets playing without D-Will? Did anyone think they were going to lose that one? As it is, the one thing that would have driven traffic (Melo making a run at the Knick single-game scoring record) went away pretty quickly. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Cleveland game thread is lackluster, as well (EDITED TO ADD: Although, the Cleveland game does have Amar’e’s return, so I guess that could get some attention). They’ll be more traffic for the Atlanta game, though, as that will be a test (and could determine if the Knicks get the #6 seed).

  12. austinanthony51

    damn rite bibby should be starting he’s making it a whole a lot easier on the floor for everyone else by getting everybody in their set. He’s smart at the point little to no turnovers. I don’t care if he never hits double digits in points for the rest of his career. Dats wat melo, novak, and Jr are for. We need dimes and no turnovers, and no jacking up unnceccssary shots Baronnnnnnn!!!!.

  13. chrisk06811

    Robert, I loves me a ‘hi jerome’ game!!! We need ‘hi jerome’ t shirts.

    Watching novak play is like watching my kid play, in that I yell things like “holy shit…..that’s his 3rd rebound!!!!!”

  14. johnlocke

    We should have game threads around Orlando’s remaining games =)

    Brian Cronin:
    Game threads are driven by the importance of the game. If the Knicks were fighting for a playoff spot last night, there would have been a lot of traffic. Or if they were playing a good team, there would have been traffic (the Celtics game the previous night had a lot of traffic). But the Nets playing without D-Will? Did anyone think they were going to lose that one? As it is, the one thing that would have driven traffic (Melo making a run at the Knick single-game scoring record) went away pretty quickly. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Cleveland game thread is lackluster, as well (EDITED TO ADD: Although, the Cleveland game does have Amar’e’s return, so I guess that could get some attention). They’ll be more traffic for the Atlanta game, though, as that will be a test (and could determine if the Knicks get the #6 seed).

  15. PC

    Looking back does anyone agree with me that Melo just played his way into shape? He looks better, doesn’t get blocked anymore at the rim, seems to be jumping higher. I think he showed up out of shape and then got hurt and then had fifty different teams to play on, and now he is healthy and in shape. Like last year. In shape and doing the normal Melo stuff. The stuff you trade your whole team for because he always seems to be “on fire”

  16. Brian Cronin

    We should have game threads around Orlando’s remaining games =)

    Ha! That’d actually be pretty funny. Maybe we could do one Saturday night when the Knicks don’t have a game.

  17. tastycakes

    The problem is that Orlando is playing to win as well — even without Howard. How else would they beat the clearly desperate and once decent Sixers earlier this week? They may have some scrubby dudes, but obviously between Ryan Anderson and Jameeroquai Nelson and the undead corpse of Jason Richardson they are able to scrap together *a win or two* without the big guy.

    They play UTA, DEN, MEM, and CHA, and I can see one of those games is a clear win, so they need to lose the other 3 AND the Knicks need to win out…. goddamnit, maybe we’re better off “tanking” to 8th? I relish the challenge of beating the Heat but does it have to be in the first round?

  18. briand

    Surprised they only gave Douglas 8 minutes last night. I continue to think he is the best option they have at PG. I mean, they are getting basically nothing out of Davis and Bibby. At least you know Douglas will bring it on D and the upside for some decent offense is there as well.

  19. johnlocke

    What games have you been watching?

    briand:
    Surprised they only gave Douglas 8 minutes last night.I continue to think he is the best option they have at PG.I mean, they are getting basically nothing out of Davis and Bibby.At least you know Douglas will bring it on D and the upside for some decent offense is there as well.

  20. Brian Cronin

    Surprised they only gave Douglas 8 minutes last night. I continue to think he is the best option they have at PG. I mean, they are getting basically nothing out of Davis and Bibby. At least you know Douglas will bring it on D and the upside for some decent offense is there as well.

    You used to know that, but this season Douglas has been completely out of sorts. He has looked as lost on defense as he does on offense (okay, not as lost, but still, pretty lost).

  21. briand

    Brian Cronin: You used to know that, but this season Douglas has been completely out of sorts. He has looked as lost on defense as he does on offense (okay, not as lost, but still, pretty lost).

    I get that he isn’t Jason Kidd in his prime or anything, but Davis and Bibby have been terrible, so its not like he has a very high bar to clear to provide the Knicks with some value.

    I thought he looked really good in the last Orlando game (25 min, 15 points, 6 assists, 5 boards, decent D on Nelson). Since then he has played 30 minutes total over the last 7 games. After that Orlando game I would have taken away 15-20 min a night from the Baron/Bibby/Fields combo and given them to Douglas to see if he could show something.

  22. briand

    johnlocke: What games have you been watching?

    Mostly the ones where Baron commits tons of dumb TO’s and chucks up ill-timed brick after ill timed brick. Which games have you been watching?

  23. johnlocke

    I was referring to your “upside for some decent offense” from TD? There is really no evidence for his competence on offense this season. His defense is OK…he is helter-skelter, but not smart and he gets killed on picks. Davis, when healthy, is a better defender. Davis makes boneheaded plays but has vision and makes great passes, Bibby does not create a lot for himself but doesn’t make stupid mistakes, TD is liable to jack up a three with 20 seconds on the shot clock or miss wide open floaters in the lane.

    briand: Mostly the ones where Baron commits tons of dumb TO’s and chucks up ill-timed brick after ill timed brick.Which games have you been watching?

  24. briand

    I would say the “upside on offense” comes from two places:

    1) Last year

    2) This year, he was recovering from injury and, admittedly, was terrible at the beginning of the year. Since he was taken out of the rotation (about 2.5 months ago) he has played more than 10 minutes in a game twice. Once he was bad (1-6 in 15 min against Indy) and once he was good (the Orlando game I mentioned above).

    Based on these two things, I think there is a chance that he could be decent on offense if given some consistent minutes.

    I also think you are giving Davis and Bibby way too much credit. Granted “Davis, when healthy, is a better defender” but I would put the chances of Davis ever being healthy this season at near 0%. Plus, in addition to the boneheaded plays he makes, he is shooting 35% from the field and 27% from 3. He really has been disasterous overall.

    Bibby, a bad defender, has shot 27% from the field and 29% from 3 this year. Plus, he doesn’t have the ability to get into the lane and create at all.

    Once again, Bibby and Davis have been terrible. Wasn’t (or I guess isn’t) it worth giving Douglas 15 min a night on the off chance that he might be able to be able to out produce these two?

  25. johnlocke

    Look, you’re putting me in the awkward position of defending Davis and Bibby, and I agree with you that they are bad.

    But what we need from a point guard is not shooting. We need two things, someone that has vision and can pass to our stars/ role players in position to score (Toney doesn’t do that, BDiddy does) and/or someone that can play solid basketball w/o jacking up shots at ill-advised times, (Toney doesn’t do that Bibby does)…I just don’t see what Toney brings besides a warm body. Unless you think he’s going to get his three point shot back and be a floor spacing 6’0 shooting guard.

    briand:
    I would say the “upside on offense” comes from two places:

    1) Last year

    2) This year, he was recovering from injury and, admittedly, was terrible at the beginning of the year.Since he was taken out of the rotation (about 2.5 months ago) he has played more than 10 minutes in a game twice.Once he was bad (1-6 in 15 min against Indy) and once he was good (the Orlando game I mentioned above).

    Based on these two things, I think there is a chance that he could be decent on offense if given some consistent minutes.

    I also think you are giving Davis and Bibby way too much credit.Granted “Davis, when healthy, is a better defender” but I would put the chances of Davis ever being healthy this season at near 0%.Plus, in addition to the boneheaded plays he makes, he is shooting 35% from the field and 27% from 3.He really has been disasterous overall.

    Bibby, a bad defender, has shot 27% from the field and 29% from 3 this year.Plus, he doesn’t have the ability to get into the lane and create at all.

    Once again, Bibby and Davis have been terrible.Wasn’t (or I guess isn’t) it worth giving Douglas 15 min a night on the off chance that he might be able to be able to out produce these two?

  26. briand

    johnlocke: Look, you’re putting me in the awkward position of defending Davis and Bibby, and I agree with you that they are bad. But what we need from a point guard is not shooting. We need two things, someone that has vision and can pass to our stars/ role players in position to score (Toney doesn’t do that, BDiddy does) and/or someone that can play solid basketball w/o jacking up shots at ill-advised times, (Toney doesn’t do that Bibby does)…I just don’t see what Toney brings besides a warm body. Unless you think he’s going to get his three point shot back and be a floor spacing 6’0 shooting guard.

    I disagree that this is all we need from our PG. The goal is to beat Miami or Chicago in a playoff series (and that’s really all we are talking about since, fingers crossed, Lin is coming back full strength next year, and this convo is moot). I think we are going to need league avg. play at PG to make that happen. I don’t think, from what we have seen, there is any way BD or Bibby can provide that. I think there is a chance, remote or not, that Douglas could provide that. At least enough of a chance that its worth giving him a few more minutes to find out.

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