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Wednesday, October 22, 2014

Quick Reaction: Grizz 94, Knicks 30… I mean 83

New York Knicks 83 Final
Recap | Box Score
94 Memphis Grizzlies
Carmelo Anthony, SF 20 MIN | 6-11 FG | 1-1 FT | 3 REB | 2 AST | 14 PTS | -12

Once again, Melo got off to a hot start, hitting his first three shots and seeming to settle in for a long night of carrying a clearly lethargic Knick squad. Mid-way through the first quarter, however, Anthony tweaked his left wrist on an otherwise benign collision, all but squelching his ish. Early in the third, it was his right ankle that bent the wrong way. Fortunately, x-rays are negative, though it’s still unclear how quickly we can expect a mended Melo. Oh, and Rudy Gay made him his Big East $#%@.

Amare Stoudemire, PF 20 MIN | 1-7 FG | 4-4 FT | 3 REB | 1 AST | 6 PTS | -12

For a player who relies and thrives on momentum and groove, grabbing two fouls in the first 90 seconds isn’t exactly the most effective way of achieving said groove. For the record, these fouls included one of the most hilariously slow-motion charges I’ve ever seen – Stat took the ball from about 18 feet on the right wing and, with defender Marc Gasol standing on the low block, barreled directly at the Spaniard, who had his back straight and arms raised for no less than two full seconds. Like the dead, things did not improve for Stat thereafter, who tallied arguably his worst outing in a Knick uniform. Tangentially, there’s a 50% chance Marc Gasol’s morning steamer will include bits of Amare’s soul. (Special thanks to the always amazing @netw3rk for that gem.)

Tyson Chandler, C 30 MIN | 1-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 11 REB | 2 AST | 2 PTS | -22

Painfully, Chandler finished with a team low +/- (a rancid -20) for the first the first time all year. Sure, eleven ‘bounds is great and all, but TC’s sporadic involvement on offense is something the Knick coaching staff has to be thinking about. No, you don’t have to run your offense through him like he’s some kind of Bill Walton incarnate, But nor should he be left to get his on tap-ins, put-backs, and right-place-right-time stuffs alone.

Landry Fields, G 27 MIN | 3-5 FG | 2-2 FT | 6 REB | 2 AST | 9 PTS | +9

The Stanford soph was yet again all but invisible in the first half – jelly-legged, indecisive, totally devoid of confidence. Naturally, at the tail end of the blowout — and with no star stopping the offensive flow — Fields looked much more comfortable and at ease. I know it was around this time last year when the Fields mystique began slowly evaporating, but that was two months into the season, not two-and-a-half weeks. This year, Landry’s stat line can best be compared to my approach to eating at a Chinese restaurant: Six or seven of everything, but only if I’m really hungry.

Iman Shumpert, G 29 MIN | 5-20 FG | 1-1 FT | 2 REB | 3 AST | 12 PTS | -11

I don’t know if Shumper saw a spider on the rim during warm ups he somehow convinced himself he needed to kill by throwing a basketball at it or what, but 15 first half shots later, this is literally the most sensible explanation I could conjure for the much-beloved rook’s completely ridiculous chuckage. Shump’s omnipresent defensive effort aside, it’s safe to say the Point Shump honeymoon is over. If and when Baron Davis snags hold the reins, however, Iman’s trial by fire should bode well for what hopes to be a reinvigorated offense navigating its way back to first principles.

Mike Bibby, PG 19 MIN | 1-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 3 AST | 2 PTS | -14

For a guy who built much of his reputation on a smooth stroke from deep, most of Bibby’s distance hurls thus have been more devoid of arc than a Seinfeld episode. Still, he connected on a few nice dishes, and… his dad Henry is a Memphis assistant. Which is just $%#@!&* precious.

Steve Novak, SF 11 MIN | 2-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 5 PTS | +12

Give credit to Novak for putting aside his lack of recent burn, and hitting a couple shots with confidence. You can tell that — in spite of his quite glaring athletic limitations — Novak is thinking through the game on both ends of the floor, and always without over-thinking it. Which might sound like I’m advocating more court time for the veteran marksmen. Which I very much am. Which absolutely scares the shit out of me.

Renaldo Balkman, PF 11 MIN | 1-3 FG | 1-2 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 3 PTS | -2

Oh, Humpty. After a solid week chewing on a reefer rawhide in the D’Antoni D’Oghouse, D’Antoni finally unleashed Balkman on an unsuspecting Memphis crowd. He attacked the tin a couple times, but by far his most Humptian moment came in challenging a 20-foot Dante Cunningham heave, falling into him without even the slightest inkling to avoid contact. Then, like someone who partakes in activities that effect shot-term memory, Balkman did the same thing again during fourth quarter garbage time. You gotta love this guy.

Toney Douglas, PG 24 MIN | 3-13 FG | 1-1 FT | 2 REB | 4 AST | 8 PTS | -6

I’m tired of raggin’ on the kid. I truly hope he re-figures it out. Maybe Baron should take him to a hotdog stand or something.

Bill Walker, SG 21 MIN | 5-8 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 1 AST | 14 PTS | +2

Don’t let the stats fool you. Almost all of this was put up when half the crowd left to go catch steamboats home. That said, Walker appears to be finding his stroke of late. At this point, it’s naive to think Walker will ever reach the potential he displayed during his halcyon days at Kansas State. But he’s still more than capable of being a reliable 7th or 8th man on a good team.

Josh Harrellson, F 28 MIN | 3-5 FG | 0-0 FT | 7 REB | 1 AST | 8 PTS | +1

Jorts picked up right where he left off the night previous, canning his first corner three after hitting the hardwood for the foul-plagued Stat. After that, Jorts was little more than a XXXL #55 just kind of floating in an aimless basketball ether. Until the game’s late moments, when — like Billy — Harrellson padded the numerals.

Five Things We Saw

  1. When Stat and Melo both pick up two fouls in the first quarter, that’s not a good thing. When one of those two follows that up by picking up two injuries – the second of which sends to the locker room – that’s an even less good thing. The Knick offense with Melo on the floor is effective at best, and an exercise in futile heroics at worst. With Melo in street garb? Hopefully we won’t have to find out. Though I fear a sudden, successful return to SSOL minus the ball-stopping Anthony would make for a meme capable of turning Twitter to vapor.
  2. Before the game got way out of hand and both benches were emptied, the Knicks were clowned on the glass. I would go more in depth here, but I have to go try and catch a moth hovering around my ceiling fan. Without jumping.
  3. We knew coming into the season we’d be witness to some butt-ugly ball. We just didn’t think we’d have to worry about sending our children and pets into another room, for fear of long-term psychological trauma. While the Grizzlies’ stifling D and infamous lane-hawking made them seem mirrors of last year’s Cinderalla squad, for most of the first three quarters both teams — with the exception of Rudy Gay — were guilty of some pretty horrendous hoopin’.
  4. At this point in the season, I can name at least three Jersey Shore girls more attractive than this Knicks offense. But as many have pointed out, it’s far too early to levy judgment for the ‘Bocker’s graceless brand of ball on Melo or Stat alone. As we all know, a Mike D’Antoni offense is predicated on an effective and efficient point playing maestro. Right now, we don’t have one. And, given Baron Davis’ history of schizoid showings, there’s an outside chance we might not have one for the foreseeable future.
  5. For a team playing only their second back-to-back of the young season, the Knicks looked like they’d ridden a fleet of Big Wheels from Manhattan to Memphis. Right out of the gate, they looked like they were mailing it in — like they were somehow resigned to it. It was as if to say “we can basically take a handful of games off, because this season’s going to be really tough and hard and stuff, and this is going to be one of them.” Hate to break it to you, fellas, but it don’t get any easier from here on out.

43 comments on “Quick Reaction: Grizz 94, Knicks 30… I mean 83

  1. jon abbey

    man, you just have a slew of good one-liners, you are very high in the league-wide Hollinger post-game comedic wrapup rankings.

    “most of Bibby’s distance hurls thus have been more devoid of arc than a Seinfeld episode. ”

    hehehe…

  2. Jim Cavan (@JPCavan) Post author

    Thanks, Jon. I think the format is more conducive to lighter takes on things, although games like that make it pretty difficult.

    Speaking of lighter notes, the Knicks held their fifth straight opponent to under 100 points! Which doesn’t really mean anything, other than this has been a really, really ugly season so far.

  3. Juany8

    I remember when everyone on this blog said they’d hate losing Toney Douglas for JJ Barea. I’m not even sure Douglas is a better defender anymore…

  4. tenebrous

    there must of been a spider. Or spiderman shooting cthru webs and pulling the ball. Isn’t invincible spidermen actually from menphis?

  5. tenebrous

    … balkman … if u love him so much and he’s only -2 y give him a D he deserves an A just for getting out of the doghouse. yeah I know dantoni had no choice. well dantoni is not gonna suit up anyway.

    … dantoni seem deflated … he shouldn’t b … all he has to do is teach everyone how to cut and the players that shoot he needs to have them shoot in traffic – while everyone is cutting … make some drills like that … someone has to know how to play

  6. tenebrous

    83 is not 30 and the grizz did try to stop the rooks. without fouling them, but still did try to stop the knickerbooks r too long to review ur opponent

  7. latke

    holy christ… Dwight Howard is 21 for 39 tonight from the free throw line… 45 points, 23 rebounds, 3 blocks, 2 steals. There are still 2 minutes left.

    I wasn’t watching, but I’m guessing GS decided to just do hack-a-Howard. STill, you don’t foul out your best bigs (biedrins and lee) just to get Howard on the line.

  8. bobneptune

    melo’s grade is way too high…. he was being thoroughly out played by rudy gay before he checked out for the night.

  9. bobneptune

    tenebrous:
    … balkman … if u love him so much and he’s only -2 y give him a D he deserves an A just for getting out of the doghouse. yeah I know dantoni had no choice. well dantoni is not gonna suit up anyway.

    … dantoni seem deflated … he shouldn’t b … all he has to do is teach everyone how to cut and the players that shoot he needs to have them shoot in traffic – while everyone is cutting … make some drills like that … someone has to know how to play

    plz god…. let me never hear another knick fan ask why balkman doesn’t get any pt…..

    balkman has been in every coaches dog house for reasons perfectly understandable if you watched him play tonight. he has no offensive game, goes up weak to the basket and makes unbelievably stupid fouls lunging into shooters 22 feet away from the basket.

    there’s a reason he can’t get any burn into his 6th pro season and it isn’t because coaches don’t like the cut of his jib. he’s turibul to quote sir charles…..

  10. bobneptune

    Juany8:
    I remember when everyone on this blog said they’d hate losing Toney Douglas for JJ Barea. I’m not even sure Douglas is a better defender anymore…

    not everyone :-) :-)

  11. Nick C.

    Toney has been awful, but lets not go all Jerome James over Barea. Career he has a .522 TSP .485 EFG% 27.0 ast % with 6.1 A/36 and 2.6 TO/35 and 14.9 P/36. He’s a nice back up PG who had some meorable moments in the playoffs. Nothing more.

    Jim “reefer rawhide” LMFAO

  12. Frank O.

    I rarely disagree with Jim’s grades, and it is all very funny, in a macabre way, but I think way to generous for Carmelo.
    Gay did basically own him.
    But what was worse, rather than the team vets confronting SHUMP about his out of control shooting and gaining some control over the Knicks play, they all started to just heave crap shots in a jail break of sorts.
    I mean, it was as if they all said, “SHUMP’s getting all the shots, I gotta get mine…”
    Suddenly the lunatics were running the asylum and it was every man for himself. If you have ever read Red Badge of Courage, I was reminded of e scene in which the front line collapses and panic sets in and the continuity of the defense fails…until more senior folks bear down and settle things down.
    I agree also with those who say part of this falls to D’Antoni, but also part falls to vets like Amare, Melo and Chandler. There should have been a huddle called by the players in this game in which a leaders should have said the Grizz are too good for each of us to go it alone. We only win if we play together.
    I think that is what is so disheartening in a loss like this: there’s no field general, just a bunch of irresponsible privates

  13. Frank O.

    TD needs to be taken off the roster until his shoulder is well. The kid will never get better at this rate, and his play will only get worse. D’Antoni should save him from himself.

    On the other hand, I think a little humble pie is a good thing for SHUMP. He’s not a scorer per se. His best games are when he plays within himself, drive and creates for teammates. He seemed to wake up one morning, looked in the mirror and said, I’m a star.”
    As a slasher and facilitator, perhaps, but not as a shooter. Not now, at least.
    Man, I need to forget that game.

  14. daJudge

    Thanks for the laughs Jim. Too bad there are no drawings to go along with your prose. While reading your stuff, I had a lot of images rolling through my head. Amares so called charge comes to mind. I was thinking of the old Gallo drawings. I don’t know if the technology supports the drawings. Also, any chance of grading the coaching? I know it is hard to do fairly game by game, but what about every six games or so? Thanks again.

  15. DRed

    C- for Tony is too high. I can’t believe we went 9-37 from the PG position. Thats, like, really bad. Do we even have plays on offense?

  16. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    Toney has been awful, but lets not go all Jerome James over Barea. Career he has a .522 TSP .485 EFG% 27.0 ast % with 6.1 A/36 and 2.6 TO/35 and 14.9 P/36. He’s a nice back up PG who had some meorable moments in the playoffs. Nothing more.

    Jim “reefer rawhide” LMFAO

    Yeah, Toney has been so unbelievably bad so far that you could have been “right” if you had suggested trading Toney for pretty much any point guard at this point! “Toney for Earl Watson!” would look like a good deal now, and Watson’s WS/48 is .006!

  17. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    I agree that Melo deserved an incomplete more than a B.

    As for Gay “owning” him – while Gay did do well against him, it struck me as more of a team failure than specifically Melo. All those blasted switches! Woodson, you really need to make sure they are good at switching before you make them constantly switch!

  18. Juany8

    Actually Brian that’s kind of my point. If we had a real, serviceable point guard and just another role player or two to fill out the bench, I honestly think we could get home court advantage and seriously challenge either the Heat or Bulls. JJ Barea isn’t a starter by any stretch of the imagination, but he’d be able to actually dribble the ball and he actually runs the pick and roll very well. Also until Amar’e starts making his jumper, any lineups featuring Chandler and Amar’e are going to have to feature a lot of iso sets since it’s really easy for teams to collapse on the paint on our bigs since our shooters can’t really shoot.

  19. Nick C.

    “JJ Barea isn’t a starter by any stretch of the imagination, but he’d be able to actually dribble the ball and he actually runs the pick and roll very well. ” Good points. I think I black out how f’in inept things look at times.

  20. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    A note to the posters who were “owning” me in the last thread:

    Roland Rating doesn’t cast itself as an indicator of a player’s actual ability. In a specifically-designed box with boldface, 82games writes: “These ratings represent a player’s value to a particular team and are not intended to be an accurate gauge of the ability and talent of the player away from the specific team.”

    This means that teams with little depth in a particular position will show a greater discrepancy between the on- and off-court numbers for a particular player. It’d be like having CP3, Derek Fisher as his backup. Don’t you think the great play of the former would have an effect on the latter’s numbers?

    And don’t get me started about PER. If you can’t be bothered to look up the myriad faults with PER, you shouldn’t be posting about stats at all. The one point I like to bring up is that it’s possible to raise one’s PER by shooting 33%+ 2PT and 25%+ 3PT AT ANY VOLUME. Yes, that means you could raise your PER by shooting 50 times a game as long as you keep those minimum percentages. Do you think that’d be biased toward volume shooters? Uh huh.

    Now I’ve never said that Berri’s formula is perfect (the position adjustment he has to make in WP48 lends enough deviation on its own; there are obviously numerous other factors that “skew” the numbers), but it’s sure better than:

    BUT MELO CARRIED A 50 WIN TEAM SO MANY TIMES / POSTED A HIGH PER IN ONE PLAYOFF RUN / LED THE LEAGUE IN SCORING / etc.

    It’s all nonsense. Again, I’m not saying Berri is god. But I’ve read the books, and I’m convinced that it’s better — not perfect — but better than the tools most of the posters on this site use. I bet many of you haven’t even read the advanced stats guide at the top of the page. The Four Factors, which Mike explains clearly, are essentially Berri’s methodology. Some people say that the numbers work on the group level but not the individual. So why do players’ numbers generally remain consistent when they switch teams/teammates?

  21. Mike Kurylo

    jon abbey:
    man, you just have a slew of good one-liners, you are very high in the league-wide Hollinger post-game comedic wrapup rankings.

    “most of Bibby’s distance hurls thus have been more devoid of arc than a Seinfeld episode. ”

    hehehe…

    I smell a make-up call.

  22. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Definitely not abysmal. Maybe not as insightful as Mike or as lucid as Bob, but not abysmal. I’ll sound the gong when we hit Bleacher Report status.

  23. Z

    Okay, to answer my own rhetorical question, I found that Mark Jackson was the last knick rookie to shoot over 20 shots and miss 15 of them in one game. He did it not once, not twice, but three times in one two week span his rookie year (March 1st he shot 6-22; March 9th he shot 8-23; March 14th he shot 6-27).

    Mark’s role was to be the main distributor on that team.

    Mark went on to win rookie of the year that year.

    During Mark’s ROY acceptance speech, he credited Rick Pitino’s decision to put spiders on the rim for him to kill.

    SHUMP’S ROY CAMPAIGN FORGES ON!

  24. tenebrous

    bobneptune: plz god…. let me never hear another knick fan ask why balkman doesn’t get any pt…..

    balkman has been in every coaches dog house for reasons perfectly understandable if you watched him play tonight. he has no offensive game, goes up weak to the basket and makes unbelievably stupid fouls lunging into shooters 22 feet away from the basket.

    there’s a reason he can’t get any burn into his 6th pro season and it isn’t because coaches don’t like the cut of his jib. he’s turibul to quote sir charles…..

    hes in a “doghouse” (of other coaches as well) because he probably (and in every instant) deferres the playing time (and honor) to his teammates. aside from some mistakes (because of playing hard) he plays close d, gets boards, shoots (when hes allowed) and just doesn’t seem to let anything bother him in a way that you want from a teammate. and yes, he makes some 3s. I think he can b a good 2 with defense and rebounding ability. its the coaches’ job to c that and make it happen. but I guess looking from the outside is dif in every way.

  25. Frank O.

    jon abbey:
    not at all, Jim is doing fantastic work and that game preview was abysmal.

    Were you one of the marines in the picture pissing on the corpses???
    Holy cow.
    lol

  26. nicos

    @26
    I did say you can’t put too much stock in +/- but in Fields’ case his backups were Walker & Douglas no? So the fact that the Knicks were worse but not significantly so with them on the court instead of Fields does at least suggest that perhaps Fields was overvalued. For what it’s worth, the only other player out of Berri’s top 10 to post a +/- less than 8 was Kevin Love. And there is some value in actually watching the games- Fields’ turnover numbers looked very good for a guard last year but if you watched the games you’d realize it was because he rarely had to put the ball on the floor for more than dribble or two nor make a pass that put the team in a better position to score- two things that would be kind of nice for a guard to able to do as we’re finding out this year. Berri’s system overly rewards niche guys like Fields and I think there’s an argument to made that their numbers remain constant when changing teams because they tend to go to teams who are looking for a guy who fills that same particular niche. I do think there is real value in guy who does a couple of things really well and doesn’t try to do anything outside of his skill set and Berri was right in tipping the scales somewhat in their favor (esp. when compared to PER) but IMO he tipped it way too far.

  27. ruruland

    I’m with you, Nico. WP48 completely overvalues low usage players.

    The notion that Tyson Chandler’s ability to shoot a high percentage and not turn the ball over makes him a fantastic offensive player, epitomizes the absurdity of the system. Though there are numerous examples we can all look at.

    PER is also pretty consistent when guys switch teams….So???

  28. Owen

    Ruruland – I am not doing WOW debates anymore but I think Tyson Chandler is probably a poor player to choose as statistically overvalued, offensively or otherwise. And, it’s not just WP48 that “overrates” him, as his best in league ortg last year shows.

    I know Carmelo is awesome and high usage and all, but it’s Chandler who has played on significantly better teams that have gone far deeper in the playoffs, at least when he has been healthy.

    Watching Denver and Miami and loving Gallo and Mozgov and WOW favorite Ty Lawson zipping everywhere. Every time I see them and their 5th rated offense in action after watching our 23rd rated offense, I think, god it’s good to be a Knicks fan….

  29. ruruland

    Owen: Ruruland – I am not doing WOW debates anymore but I think Tyson Chandler is probably a poor player to choose as statistically overvalued, offensively or otherwise. And, it’s not just WP48 that “overrates” him, as his best in league ortg last year shows. I know Carmelo is awesome and high usage and all, but it’s Chandler who has played on significantly better teams that have gone far deeper in the playoffs, at least when he has been healthy.Watching Denver and Miami and loving Gallo and Mozgov and WOW favorite Ty Lawson zipping everywhere. Every time I see them and their 5th rated offense in action after watching our 23rd rated offense, I think, god it’s good to be a Knicks fan….

    Did you watch Denver in the post-season? Do you watch them when the game slows down? Wait until this game is tight in the 4th quarter…

    great running team though, and I’m a Denver fan.

    But Denver had great offenses with Melo there and a lot of those same pieces… they didn’t run as much but they got baskets against good defenses in the half court.

    Chandler is one of the least skilled offensive centers in the league, which paradoxically allows him to post some of the best efficiency numbers in basketball. He only shoots the ball at the basket, taking advantage of the opportunities created by the other 4 players on the court.

    When you can’t shoot the ball outside of 5 foot, aren’t guarded outside of 5 feet and have no ability to create your own shot, you aren’t a good offensive basketball player…..

    You don’t need to know much else about WOW.

  30. Owen

    “When you can’t shoot the ball outside of 5 foot, aren’t guarded outside of 5 feet and have no ability to create your own shot, you aren’t a good offensive basketball player…..”

    Well, agree to disagree then….

  31. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    Did you watch Denver in the post-season? Do you watch them when the game slows down? Wait until this game is tight in the 4th quarter…

    You nailed it tonight . Denver clearly can’t hang with the best teams in the NBA, especially in the fourth quarter.

  32. ruruland

    Owen: “When you can’t shoot the ball outside of 5 foot, aren’t guarded outside of 5 feet and have no ability to create your own shot, you aren’t a good offensive basketball player…..”Well, agree to disagree then….

    Really, you must be able to do better than that.

    Answer me this, should a good offensive player, let alone a great offensive player like Chandler, be hypothetically capable of replicating himself in replace of a teammate and still be as great?

    In other words, shouldn’t a great offensive player not be vulnerable to this hypothetical diminishing marginal skills?

    Chandler’s incredible offensive efficiency has nothing to do with him being a great offensive player and everything to do with a lack of usage, which has everything to do with a lack of ability and skill. therefore he’s not a good offensive player.

    Sometimes, overly efficient players are selfish, I can name quite a few. These are the kind of players who NEVER take less efficient shots when they’re open, and instead defer to guys who are forced to take more difficult shots late in the clock.

    The only shots Chandler takes are literally at the rim and ALWAYS a byproduct of someone else making the play for him.

    A better offensive player, one who had skill and ability, would have higher usage, take more shots and make more passes — He’d be less efficient as a shooter, but he’d be more of a threat to opposing defenses, which would by default allow his teammates better opportunities… improving their efficiency…..

    WOW totally overvalues low usage players like Chandler. The fact that he can have one of the highest offensive ratings in basetball utterly destroys the metric.

  33. ruruland

    Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin): You nailed it tonight . Denver clearly can’t hang with the best teams in the NBA, especially in the fourth quarter.

    Was waiting for this post. Clear energy deficit tonight. Denver historically runs teams on long road trips out of the gym in second halves.

    This team is perfect for that and a truncated season because of its depth and the kind of athletes it has…..

    But it changes nothing of what I said….. When the game slows down (it never did tonight) and the team is forced to create against focused defenses in the half court it will have no answers… just as it showed against OKC in the playoffs last year.

    Lawson is the closest thing they have to a shot creator and he has a really hard time getting good shots off against longer players… He is an incredible semi-transition and transition player however…

    I can say however, as a fan, they are one of the most entertaining teams in the NBA and an ideal fit for GK’s philosophy and the altitude.

    A lot of regular season wins, but they’ll never do anything when the game slows down.

  34. Owen

    “Owen: “When you can’t shoot the ball outside of 5 foot, aren’t guarded outside of 5 feet and have no ability to create your own shot, you aren’t a good offensive basketball player…..”Well, agree to disagree then….

    Really, you must be able to do better than that.”

    Ruruland – Believe it or not, people have tackled these issues before you. In fact, Mike has a pretty nice treatment of the subject up in the Laymen’s Guide. Usage vs. efficiency in basketball is pretty much the fundamental debate at the core of advanced basketball statistics. It’s what everyone interested in basketball statistics has talked about for years. And the major difference in all the different advanced linear stat systems is how they balance the two.

    I’d love to tackle all your questions but honestly, Dean Oliver does if so much better in Basketball on Paper. Pick up a copy, you will love it…

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