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Wednesday, April 23, 2014

Quick Reaction: Bucks 100, Knicks far less than that

Milwaukee Bucks 100 Final
Recap | Box Score
86 New York Knicks
Carmelo Anthony, SF 36 MIN | 11-26 FG | 11-13 FT | 5 REB | 2 AST | 35 PTS | -19

That might have been the least impressive 36-point game in all of Christendom. Whether it was by design (we’ll get to you later, Coach Pringles) or pure stubbornness, in the 3rd quarter, every single bone-crushingly bad offensive set seemed to consist of, “Hand the ball to Melo on the right elbow and wait for him to brick a jumper.” And nothing, not man nor beast could get him to stop taking forced, off-balance, low-percentage shots. He got booted for jawing with Brandon Jennings with 1:35 to go to boot, perhaps because he wanted this game to end just as quickly as as every Knick fan with an operant limbic system did.

Amare Stoudemire, PF 37 MIN | 6-13 FG | 3-4 FT | 11 REB | 0 AST | 15 PTS | -13

I’m legitimately scared here. Despite the chorus preaching that an actual PG will do wonders for Amare’s game, he looks slow and tethered to the floor. We all knew Amar’e's knees weren’t long for this world, but I’m petrified that his game is just gone. Never coming back-type gone. Gone, daddy, gone.

Tyson Chandler, C 34 MIN | 2-5 FG | 7-8 FT | 12 REB | 0 AST | 11 PTS | -19

Yawn. Another game, another solid line for Chandler. He rebounded well, helped on D, and shot well from the line. Having Bogut in the high post and the Knicks pointless switching kept him from being able to do something about that imp of the perverse, Brandon Jennings’ and his frequent forays to the hoop. That said, I really want to go all Robin Williams in “Good Will Hunting” on Tyson, give him a cloyingly aggressive man-hug and repeat, “It’s not your fault!” ad infinitum until he breaks down in tears. IT’S NOT YOUR FAULT!!

Landry Fields, G 32 MIN | 4-7 FG | 1-3 FT | 2 REB | 3 AST | 10 PTS | -9

Findng positive signs in this game is akin to telling a cancer patient, “Well, at least you’ve lost some weight.” Even though his shot is still flatter than Flat Stanley and on defense he was on his back quicker than the French Army in 1940, Landry did some nice things in transition. There. I said something nice. So yes, Landry’s looking skinnier but this team has so many metastasizing tumors, it’s almost not worth mentioning.

Iman Shumpert, G 30 MIN | 0-5 FG | 4-4 FT | 3 REB | 5 AST | 4 PTS | -12

Meh. Some nifty passes and his usual harassing defense on the perimeter doesn’t excuse some ghastly turnovers and godawful fouls. Plus, like his fellow ‘Bockers, Shump collected enough bricks to build a fairly substantial brownstone on the Upper West Side.

Mike Bibby, PG 9 MIN | 0-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 0 PTS | +1

They’ve clearly found a cure for whatever rage-virus briefly brought Bibby back from the dead a couple of weeks ago. Dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return. (Genesis 3:19)

Jared Jeffries, PF 9 MIN | 0-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 0 PTS | +1

Jeffries played? Really? Okay. I’ll take your word for it.

Toney Douglas, PG 15 MIN | 1-6 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 2 AST | 2 PTS | -2

Fun fact: I once won a steak-eating contest by consuming 5.6 pounds of prime rib in an hour. Then I got really sick afterwards. Let me tell you, when you projectile-vomit 5.6 pounds of prime rib, it really does look like the puke scene in “Team America: World Police.” Why do I regale you with this nauseating tale? Because it’s less repugnant than recapping DWTDD’s performance.

Bill Walker, SG 22 MIN | 1-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 1 AST | 3 PTS | -1

Continuing our stroll through cinematic memes, anyone here ever see “Kicking and Screaming?” Not the Will Farrell thingy, Noah Baumbach’s first feature film. It’s about a group of college friends who graduate but have no idea what to do with their lives so they just hang around their former school. Anyhoo, there’s a scene where a character is alone, bored, in a state of existential dismay and staring into the mirror. This dialogue ensues.

MAX
Hello, my friend.
My little friend.
You do nothing.
Max Belmont does nothing.
Oh, Max. Wh-What do you do?
Oh, I – I do nothing.

I think Bill Walker is re-enacting this scene in the MSG locker room right now. If not, I’m going over to his house and we’re gonna watch the entire movie together on Netflix. Good times.

Josh Harrellson, F 18 MIN | 2-4 FG | 0-1 FT | 4 REB | 0 AST | 6 PTS | +3

He’s a decent rotation player. For a 2nd round pick, you can’t ask for much more. Though if history is any guide, he’ll turn back into a pumpkin at the 50-game mark.

Five Things We Saw

  1. NOW
  2. WE
  3. CAN
  4. START
  5. PANICKING!! Not to play armchair psychologist, but this team looks like they’re suffering from an acute case of Atychiphobia — the fear of failure. And as with the case of any phobia, the fear of something makes it come all the more true. They’re playing scared, tentative ball. Even worse, I just don’t know how you can fix the problems this team has. Melo either won’t listen to D’Antoni when ISO-ball isn’t working or D’Antoni doesn’t have any alternatives in his holster. Either answer offers an unsolvable problem. The team talks about spacing and ball movement, but they either can’t or won’t do it in the actual games. I’m going to go see a play tomorrow night about a fictional world that’s been overrun by killer robots, so I’m going to miss the public evisceration the Denver Nuggets are sure to perform. Be sure to let me know if Melo’s entrails get ripped from his carcass and left for jackals (or Kenneth Faried) to chew on before his living eyes.

57 comments on “Quick Reaction: Bucks 100, Knicks far less than that

  1. hoolahoop

    From last thread:
    Melo-bury is a very very stupid player. His ball stopping is horrendous. His shot selection is awful. He doesn’t play well with other players. He demands the ball. He makes everyone around him worse. And he’s very selfish.
    The shame is if he had a high basketball IQ he’d be one of the best players ever.
    Every announcer, from Clyde to Bernard King to opposing team announcers, during the game politely denounce his ball stopping, one-on-one style.
    Great talent wasted.

  2. hoolahoop

    ruruland: So you believe that Melo’s mindset should be to just keep passing, not worrying about the results because we all know Douglas, Fields, Shumpert, Jorts are going to start making shots– I mean their career numbers are far too overwhelming to believe otherwise.

    And we all know that Melo, being the career 40% shooter that he is, isn’t going to improve much either.

    So, the thought process should be clear: defer to the time-tested supporting cast and get out of the way of the offense so it can function properly.

    If he was as great as you think he is he would use his talent to get his teammates easy baskets (not 3?s). But i guess it’s not so much fun for him if he’s not one of the scoring leaders. That’s what I think it’s about for him. Not winning, but being a scoring leader.

  3. hoolahoop

    The only hope for the knicks is an alpha dog coach or PG that can make Melo a team-first player. Good luck with that.

    If Melo was a team first player, the knicks would be frighteningly good. Maybe a small piece away from competing with Miami and Chicago.
    Talent wasted.

  4. hoolahoop

    If knick fans are as smart as they used to say we are, the fans would boo Melo-bury into submission, or send him packing to China with the best point guard in the NBA.

  5. Z

    Nice turn on the recap, Robert! (Following in Jim’s steps on this would give me a major case of Atychiphobia. But like Jim before you, you manage to bring a smile to even the most pained faces of knickdom… even Mike D’Antoni might crack a smile at Landry Fields post game assessment here.)

  6. Juany8

    Guys Melo would have to become a combination of Bird and Lebron to make this team good. This team has the worst guard play in possibly the history of the league. I’m not exaggerating, Durant, Kobe, Melo, Dirk, Dwight, every non guard in the league would be totally useless with this roster. Other than Shumpert, the guards are all incredibly bad offensively and defensively. Not just bad, D-league, Derek-Fisher-is-a-better-option bad. On top of that, our only team defensive concept is “switch everything and hope nobody notices”. If you think Melo is the team’s problem then there is no one on this team worth keeping and it should all be blown up because he’s been by far our most effective player.

  7. hoolahoop

    I was more excited than anyone when they signed D’antoni. At this point we have to admit, the way this team is constructed he’s not the man for the job. But then again, Is anyone?
    If Phil’s been watching I’m just sure he can’t wait to take over this team.

  8. Z-man

    For the umpteenth time, we have an historically bad backcourt. And an historically bad bench. Anthony is not the problem right now.

  9. hoolahoop

    Z-man:
    For the umpteenth time, we have an historically bad backcourt.And an historically bad bench. Anthony is not the problem right now.

    Why is it “an” historically, not “a” historically?

  10. A Voice of Reason

    Sigh… All the Melo hate is disheartening, considering the fact that IF this thing turns around, he will be praised for ever and ever, amen.

    On a positive note, Great recap! Reading these is almost worth the pain of watching the bland, predictable game cast on my IPhone each night.

    Our guards truly bite the asphalt. Seriously, what happened to the spark plug formally known as td? Or the midrange prowess of our beloved STAT? We are so inconceivably bad that Melo is not only responsible for the losses, but he’s also responsible for: syphoning the confidence of miltiple grown men, making disastrous roster decisions, missing wide open threes after he actually does pass to these clowns, and the big one, stealing the pick and roll knowledge that every college guard has at some point from our own NBA guards! He deserves to be tied to a billboard and attacked by an army of children with spitballs.

    The nerve of this guy.

  11. Owen

    Melo seems to have some invisible force field around. He sits at the vortex of circular reasoning that logic cannot escape. If others play well, it’s because of his presence. If he doesn’t play well it’s because everyone else is bad.

    I don’t understand how his rep is so all encompassingly powerful….

  12. A Voice of Reason

    I actually hope that Melo sits out the next week to rest his wrist, back, and ankles…after the gallos come in of course…and allows the team to realize its astronomical potential without him. I can just see it now, Knicks win five straight behind amare’s interior dominance and reinvigorated guard play of fields and td. maybe Melo will see the writing on the wall and just take an extended leave of absence from the team. If I had lala at home I’d consider it..

  13. hoolahoop

    Gideon Zaga:
    Yeah and I think MDA will be fired by Monday after we lose to the Nuggets tomorrow. Its about Damn time. NY is a defense first town, . . . .

    Don’t count on it. J. Dolan probably doesn’t even know what the knicks record is.

  14. JK47

    I think this whole “point forward” thing is magnifying the weaknesses in Melo’s game. D’Antoni is still trying to run some sort of SSOL offense, but with Melo in the role of Steve Nash. Knicks are still 3rd in the NBA in pace, despite using a 6’8″, 240 pound tree trunk of a dude as the primary ballhandler. Perhaps a more creative or assertive coach could have figured out a better way to squeeze production out of this bunch, but D’Antoni is who he is.

    Let’s see what happens when Boom Dizzle starts getting some run. We’re at rock bottom right now, an easy W for our opponents. Things couldn’t possibly get any worse.

  15. Will the Thrill

    After we turned to an isolation team, the Knicks haven’t gotten their full potential out of any other their players. Even when Melo is not “on the court”, our offense still resembles the offense that is run when he is on the court which is pass to one player and see if they can score on another player single handedly. The system is totally abandoned, and it really wasn’t even attempted so don’t tell me that the guards are definitely not good enough to run it. It just takes ball movement and trust in one another. This will never happen with Melo, and surely won’t happen with D’antoni. This team needs to be blown up fast, so we can form a real team with balance. (Melo for D-Will?)

  16. nicos

    Just as Melo isn’t causing Fields, Douglas, Walker, et al to miss wide open threes, the poor guard play isn’t causing Melo and Amar’e to miss point blank shots at the basket. Amar’e's misses are especially distressing as Robert mentioned in his fine recap. But the guard play IS terrible- Fields ran the the floor well in the first half but was all-around bad in the second. Douglas shouldn’t be playing right now- at all. He only played 14 minutes and the Knicks were only outscored by two while he was on the court so you can’t hang the loss on him but still- four turnovers in 14 minutes and he was responsible for a fifth by passing up a wide, wide, wide open three and driving, causing a 3 second call on Chandler. Ugly, and Shumpert didn’t exactly cover himself in glory either.

  17. JK47

    @16

    That wins the award for delusional post of the year. The Knicks without Melo have “astronomical potential.” That is truly stupid.

  18. hoolahoop

    Yes, it’s Bibby’s fault, and Fields, and JJ and B. Walker. Those guys with the short, league minimum contracts.
    Blaming them is being a bully. They just filled roster spots with the few bucks the knicks had leftover.

  19. Z

    I don’t blame Anthony for the fact that the team isn’t very good. But I think there is a correlation between the Knicks going from a fun-to-watch-and-root-for mediocre team pre-trade, to a boring-and-painful-to-watch-and-root-for mediocre team post trade.

    Again, I can’t say it’s Melo’s fault. Theoretically there is a guy in a suit called a “coach” that is responsible for getting individuals to function as a collective unit. This unit doesn’t seem to have that.

  20. bobneptune

    i believe your love for chandler’s performance is way to high. out defensive 7’1″ stopper had one block while a team with zero offensive player excepting jennings got 50 (count-em) 50 points in the paint.

    it was embarrassing to watch. and of course…. he got his obligatory 2 field goals for the game showing off his wonderful offensive prowess.

    58.5 million well spent, imo……

  21. jon abbey

    good call by me to skip this one, seems like.

    how come we can’t get guys like Jennings or Lawson? ARGH

    awesomely, we are still in the 8th playoff spot. come on, Baron…

  22. nicos

    Owen:
    Melo seems to have some invisible force field around. He sits at the vortex of circular reasoning that logic cannot escape. If others play well, it’s because of his presence. If he doesn’t play well it’s because everyone else is bad.

    I don’t understand how his rep is so all encompassingly powerful….

    I guess the force field works both ways as even when he plays well it seems he is still single-handedly responsible for anyone on the court who may have struggled in the game.

  23. thenoblefacehumper

    Felton
    Landry pre-Melo
    Gallo
    Amar’e
    Chandler

    Wilson Chandler, DWTDD, maybe Shump, Jorts, JJ, and Walker off the bench.

    I think they’d have a sliver of cap space too.

    Just imagine…

  24. Jake S.

    Not to pour it on here, but in the immortal words of Sam Anderson, I want to stab these posts with corn holders and eat them.

  25. A Voice of Reason

    JK47…here I was thinking sarcasm was an acceptable form of mourning our team of dead guys plus Melo..

  26. A Voice of Reason

    Anyway, my spirit is not shaken by the misinterpretation of my words perpetuated by the just kidding version of our favorite assault rifle..

    I truly believe that this team is one pass competent guard away from respectability. Cant wait for b to the diddy to throw a few dimes and watch the reaction of this board.

  27. Juany8

    Shumpert and Jorts really have the look of respectable defensive role players, later on in the year this experience of being thrown into the fire and asked to perform at a high level, outside of your comfort zone and traditional roles, on an NBA team with no training camp is pretty impressive. For all the talk about Kenneth Faried, he’s not even getting playing time on a team that often plays Gallinari at PF. Neither Shump or TD has even been, or probably will ever be a point guard, and Landry is a bench SF with a set shot and slow feet that somehow got stuck with the starting SG role. Mike Bibby just makes me sad.

    The only team with point guard play nearly as bad as ours is the Lakers, who at least have a veteran in Fisher (not to mention Gasol and Bynum > Amar’e and Chandler), but regardless their offense often devolves into Kobe jacking up too many shots. What everyone ignores is that their role players also can’t make a 3, only 1 person can dribble or make a play for someone else, so teams can pack the paint and force Kobe (or Melo in our case) to beat them one on one, or double him and commence laughing when Artest (Douglas) passes up a wide open 3, takes one dribble inside, and launches off a laughable pull up jumper that everyone knows isn’t going in. Lakers aren’t as bad as us, mostly because they have a better big man duo, but they have very similar problems and just got torn apart in Orlando and Miami. You need a point guard, and you need shooters who can shoot to contend, no matter your core, since we all know the Lakers 3 has been more than good enough to contend.

  28. A Voice of Reason

    TD and Laundry basket case fields couldn’t play for any playoff team right now. Thank goodness Shump Shump plays ferocious D, because his jumper is still in lockout mode. Norris Cole, Eric Maynor, Andre Miller, Jamaal Tinsley, Gilbert Arenas (yea I said it), and even the Prodigal stepson Tracy McGrady can run a pick and roll. That was a short list of guards on playoff benches and park benches alike who are better suited than TD to be on a court right now. I also happen to like the guy, but his play is inexcusable. I’m not bullying him, he is an NBA player and he should be held accountable. Fields’ intangibles are his asset, his defense, ball handling, and outside shooting are his liabilities. I do like his long term outlook for us but the weaknesses are obvious.

    Melo is an assassin. Not like Kobe or Mr. Wade, but like Melo. Assassins do one thing, and contrary to to what you read here, he’s one of the seven or eight most skilled assassins alive. You may not like the method but even 007 has a team who puts him in good situations. He gets killed on here because he can’t play the 1, 2 and 3 at the same time. It’s tragic

  29. Jake S.

    Can someone please explain why D’Antoni won’t even look in the general direction of Balkman and Novak? They couldn’t possibly be worse than the drek they’re running out there now. I really think it’s time to bench Douglas and Walker until further notice.

  30. A Voice of Reason

    JK47 we are kindred spirits looking for answers from our beloved Knicks..i respect your posts and opinions

  31. A Voice of Reason

    Benching Douglas is the only way to shake him. Allowing him to self destruct each night against actual NBA guards is not good for the team, or his confidence

  32. bobneptune

    A Voice of Reason:
    Anyway, my spirit is not shaken by the misinterpretation of my words perpetuated by the just kidding version of our favorite assault rifle..

    I truly believe that this team is one pass competent guard away from respectability. Cant wait for b to the diddy to throw a few dimes and watch the reaction of this board.

    i , for one will be thrilled to witness their inexorable climb back to the throws of mediocrity. yea!

  33. ruruland

    He gets killed on here because he can’t play the 1, 2 and 3 at the same time. It’s tragic

    Great post. Ball movement is a function of talent, as well, that’s the part of the equation people don’t seem to understand. The Wizards used to run a form of the Princeton offense, but they were succesful because of their personnel and its ability to create good shots coming off different screen actions, not because you could do a figure 8 hand-off drill and get a guy who can’t jump a lay-up.

    Their is no offense at the NBA level that can solve the issue of ball-handling and playmaking.

    If you only have one playmaker, as the Knicks do, you HAVE TO be able to space the floor with shooters. The reasons for this should be abundantly clear.

    if you don’t have shooters, you must have at least 2 players who can initiate offense and penetrate to the basket from the perimeter to create easy inside shots for others.

    The Knicks dont’ have that either. Not yet.

    To me, the specific kind of criticism Melo is getting on this boad is quite unbecoming of its member’s basketball acumen.

    Let me be specific.

    Melo has been in a ton of pick and roles this year. I’d say that’s the M.O of the offense right now, outside of the 4-5 sets the team is currently capable of running with any modicum of effectiveness.

    Often, when the screen is set behind the 3pt line, as it often has to be because Melo is bringing the ball up the floor, it’s trapped.

    When Melo makes the proper pass out of the trap to either the strong or weak-side wing, (because the defense recovers to the roller) who is typically open, there is no play made by that wing.

    Either take the open shot or penetrate. Ball movement is a byproduct of player movement. if you can’t space the court it’s much harder to move across it. When you aren’t capable of dribbling the ball into the paint even after your defenders been pullled away from a…

  34. ruruland

    by a screen action,rotating back (and giving the offensive player a huge advantage) you have no hope of creating a shot for another player.

    it then ends up back in Melo’s hands, even after he’s 1)created the intial opportunity and then 2)hung back and played decoy.

    This has happened time, and time and time again.

    What this board seems to be saying is that Melo should be Steve Nash or Chris Paul, probing his way around the paint until it shows vulnerability.

    But even a Steve Nash or Chris Paul would have HUGE struggles with only one capable offensive player beside him. Teams would trap his pick and roll and force it out of his hands, just as Denver did to Paul in the 2008 playoffs when he was “awful.”

    So, what does Melo do? He does what he was born to do, which is try to score the basketball to keep his team in the game.

    Melo is not a probing point guard. He’s having a career year in assist percentage despite having one of the worst supporting casts on offense in the NBA. He’s often making the proper decision only for extremely negative results to come of it. What the stats don’t show is that isolation sets are not called, they are often the net result of an inability to create ball movement because of a lack of talent.

    Luckily, every team in the NBA (except the Knicks) has a guy who can run a pick and roll. Every team in the NBA has guys who can beat a rotating defense either by making a shot or penetrating (which causes more rotations and eventually leads to a good shot, that’s what ball movement is)

    Guys who can do one of those things are extremely common, which is why the Knicks current situation is so uncommon.

    The difference between having just competent offensive players around two great offensive players, and Baron Davis is much more than competent in the pick and roll, is like the difference between a quarterback with real offensive lineman and one with, idk, a front five of receivers.

    You can have the…

  35. latke

    I agree with you, ruru, but I think that’s what people on here have been saying. The shooters need to shoot (make or miss) when they get the ball. You need to keep the defense honest first and foremost. If Fields, Douglas and Shumpert go 0/60 on open threes and we lose 120 – 0, I’m okay with that, and I think the team should be as well, because the alternative is having Anthony drive against 3 people. Yeah, maybe with how our shooters have been shooting so far we lose 120-80 instead of 120-0 (obvious exaggeration, but you get my point). In order to win on a consistent basis, the shooters have to take and make shots.

    It seems like someone though ( D’Antoni? Anthony?), frustrated by the tentativeness and poor shooting of the guards, gives up on that strategy after about 18 minutes of game play. Anthony lets Douglas or Shumpert bring it up, gets position from the only place on the floor where defenses recognize it’s not worth double-teaming Anthony: from about 21 feet out. Anthony then shoots a covered 21 footer or drives into traffic and shoots an equally difficult leaning jumpshot.

    He makes more of these shots than 99% of NBA players would and maybe as the rest of the knicks are playing right now, that’s the way for NYK to score the most points, but long term, it’s a broken strategy, and refusing to face up to that is a problem. Who you blame that on is not really important to me.

  36. ruruland

    the greatest quarterback receiver combination out there, Rice and Montana, Manning and Harrison, whatever, but it doesn’t matter a lick if you don’t have proffesionals in front of them creating the time to throw.

    You can’t create ball movement if only one player is truly capable of breaking a defense down from the perimeter, and I’m not even talking about the times the Knicks can’t convert or create opportunities off of double teams and heavily tilted defenses.

    The Knicks are often playing 2-5 on offense, and you can’t play a 2-man pick and roll game when you’re surrounded with Shumpert, Chandler and Fields.

    So what the Knicks try to do is pretend like they can space the floor, run an action for Amar’e or a pnr with Melo and Chandler.

    But if the initial looks isn’t there, if the players who help create the action or space the floor aren’t respected, which they shouldn’t be — you have an extremely difficult time creating the secondary movement.

    I have no idea why people don’t understand that.

  37. A Voice of Reason

    It’s because the players in question make a fraction of Melo’s pay, and because people blame him for blowing up the team we had last year. It’s a lose lose for a guy who should be celebrated because he always wanted to be a Knick. It’s too bad, although I’m probably one of the more pro Melo guys on this board. I am biased but I do feel he’s unfairly criticized considering the alternative. If he didn’t shoot he’d be quitting on the team.

  38. The Infamous Cdiggy

    hoolahoop:
    I was more excited than anyone when they signed D’antoni. At this point we have to admit, the way this team is constructed he’s not the man for the job. But then again, Is anyone?
    If Phil’s been watching I’m just sure he can’t wait to take over this team.

    Maybe I’m mistaken: I thought that when they hired Pringles (can I call D’Antoni that? it’s easier to type), it was to mitigate the lack of talent/personnel mess via instituting a brand of basketball that would at least make the Knicks watchable (and maybe inflate the value of certain players to potentially pawn off). If you put a gun to my head, he’s gone after this season and the Knicks will push hard (as probably expected) for Phil Jackson.*

    The guard play has been between sporadic and YIKES!!! You’d like a coach to be able to mitigate that by making some changes and tweaks. Melo as point-fwd isn’t working; Toney Douglas and Shump-Shump aren’t good enough passers/initiators to run an NBA offense, and we won’t even talk about Bibby. So the question is, do you partially excuse Pringles’ coaching because he has no PG; or do you blame him for only knowing how to run an offensive system that relies heavily on a legitimate PG?

    *Coincidentally, I can’t see Melo giving Jackson as hard a time as Kobe did, even though Kobe is better.

  39. BigBlueAL

    I will say this, D’Antoni does one helluva job dealing with the media. I know its not something he should be praised for but still I give him credit for it.

  40. BigBlueAL

    The Infamous Cdiggy: Maybe I’m mistaken: I thought that when they hired Pringles (can I call D’Antoni that? it’s easier to type), it was to mitigate the lack of talent/personnel mess via instituting a brand of basketball that would at least make the Knicks watchable (and maybe inflate the value of certain players to potentially pawn off).If you put a gun to my head, he’s gone after this season and the Knicks will push hard (as probably expected) for Phil Jackson.*

    The guard play has been between sporadic and YIKES!!!You’d like a coach to be able to mitigate that by making some changes and tweaks. Melo as point-fwd isn’t working; Toney Douglas and Shump-Shump aren’t good enough passers/initiators to run an NBA offense, and we won’t even talk about Bibby.So the question is, do you partially excuse Pringles’ coaching because he has no PG; or do you blame him for only knowing how to run an offensive system that relies heavily on a legitimate PG?

    *Coincidentally, I can’t see Melo giving Jackson as hard a time as Kobe did, even though Kobe is better.

    D’Antoni did do exactly that the past 3 seasons.

  41. The Infamous Cdiggy

    latke:
    I agree with you, ruru, but I think that’s what people on here have been saying. The shooters need to shoot (make or miss) when they get the ball. You need to keep the defense honest first and foremost. If Fields, Douglas and Shumpert go 0/60 on open threes and we lose 120 – 0, I’m okay with that, and I think the team should be as well, because the alternative is having Anthony drive against 3 people. Yeah, maybe with how our shooters have been shooting so far we lose 120-80 instead of 120-0 (obvious exaggeration, but you get my point). In order to win on a consistent basis, the shooters have to take and make shots.

    With all due respect, I am NOT OK with losing 120-0. I think some people get too caught up in “playing the right way” to the point that they’d rather lose this way vs. win with more selfish ball-play. If your outside shooters keep going 0-for-60, but Melo 1-on-3 nets you, say, 15 or 20-for-60; then that’s 30 to 40 points closer to winning. Is it the best way long-term to go about things? No. But if you’re in the business of doing whatever you feel gives you the best chance at winning games, and plans A, B, and C haven’t worked, then isn’t it you job as coach to find something – anything – as an alternative until something better comes along?

    …With all that said, we need to pray that Baron cures at least 50-75% of the offensive ills we have when he’s ready to take the court. I believe he truly will, but until then….

  42. The Infamous Cdiggy

    BigBlueAL: D’Antoni did do exactly that the past 3 seasons.

    OK. So then it’s time to turn the page on that part of the master plan. I think it’s only fair to give Pringles time to figure things when Baron comes back. That should likely determine whether he’s with the team on that next page or not (again, I think probably not, esp if Chief Triangle is ready to come out of his faux-retirement).

  43. Z-man

    Something is definitely wrong with Amare, my guess is that either his back (most likely) or his knees are a problem. He has no lateral movememt and no lift. He’s getting burned to his left time and time again, he is coming up short on dunks he used to ferociously slam, he is slow to loose balls, he stands straight up rather than in a defensive stance, etc. Maybe he loosens up, maybe not, but he is clearly not the same player he was at this time last year.

  44. Thomas B.

    No Robert, Melo’s “36 point performance” was especially impressive because he only scored 35 points.

  45. Nick C.

    Reading these posgame wrap-ups is all to often the only entertaining part of the game. Well done Robert!

  46. Juany8

    ‘Well said ruruland, although I’m not totally sold on Baron being the answer to all our problems (although he’s capable of playing at an all star level in a best case scenario, look at Felton last year). You can’t win if only one of your players can dribble. Ball movement is worthless if role players are doing awful things when they are totally open, and reliably turning the ball over if they are under the slightest pressure. By the way, people call for D’Antoni’s firing, then expect him to be ok with losing a game 120-80 because “open shots are the right shots always!” are living in a dream world. What our guards are doing with their open shots is not good basketball in any sense of the imagination, and blaming Carmelo when he’s consistently played on elite offenses throughout his career for somehow making our guards terrible is ridiculous. By the same logic, the same reason Artest and Fisher can’t make a jump shot is because Kobe is a ball hog, but then I’m sure this board would probably bury Kobe if he was our star instead.

  47. xduckshoex

    This whole “ball movement is pointless because everyone else sucks” thing is factually incorrect because Melo’s isolations produce fewer points per possession than every other play type(cuts, pick and rolls, etc.) by a pretty significant margin. Not only is it worse than every other play type for the team in general but it’s worse than every other play type for him as an individual by a significant degree.

    That’s an inarguable fact. Melo’s isolations kill the teams offense.

  48. xduckshoex

    The Infamous Cdiggy: With all due respect, I am NOT OK with losing 120-0.I think some people get too caught up in “playing the right way” to the point that they’d rather lose this way vs. win with more selfish ball-play.If your outside shooters keep going 0-for-60, but Melo 1-on-3 nets you, say, 15 or 20-for-60; then that’s 30 to 40 points closer to winning.Is it the best way long-term to go about things?No.But if you’re in the business of doing whatever you feel gives you the best chance at winning games, and plans A, B, and C haven’t worked, then isn’t it you job as coach to find something – anything – as an alternative until something better comes along?

    I agree that winning with a selfish brand of ball play would be preferable, but the Knicks aren’t winning with it. The Knicks are 4-3 when Melo shoots fewer than 20 shots, 2-5 when he shoots more than 20 shots.

    It’s a small sample size, but it does support the idea that the team is not playing better when he tries to carry them to victory.

  49. airchibundo507

    the only way to salvage this season is for Baron to be a solid contributor and to pick up JR Smith in March (if we last until then). as long as we don’t play Miami or Chicago in the first round, we have a small chance

  50. airchibundo507

    after enough potential saviors, eventually one of them will carry us over the top like the last straw breaking the camel’s back. BD and JR give us two NBA rotational players (giving us a grand total of 6-7) and they at least have the ability to play off a double team with shooting (in Smith’s case), penetrating and playmaking.

    what should make you salivate the most is that with Smith playing 36 minutes a night, we have at least one bonafide shooter on the court 75% of the time. if only we can make it until March. the only threat to kick us out of playoff seeding is Boston, and they are having their own struggles, especially now that Rondo is banged up.

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