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Sunday, November 23, 2014

Quick-ish Reactions: Heat 99, Knicks 89

Author’s Note: Tonight my wife and I had dinner at her folks’ place, about 20 minutes from where we live. Which worked out pretty well: Like his daughter, my father in law, Tom, is a huge Celtics fan. As such — and despite the Cs doing battle with the pesky Pacers at the same time — they were more than happy to let me watch the first half of the Knicks-Heat game after we’d eaten dinner. Under one condition: Tom got to chime in for all the player grades.

Deal.

New York Knicks 89 Final
Recap | Box Score
99 Miami Heat
Amare Stoudemire, PF 38 MIN | 5-14 FG | 2-2 FT | 6 REB | 3 AST | 12 PTS | -5

Amar’e Dangerfield, as he will heretofore be known (the total lack of zebra respect never ceases to amaze me). Stoudemire did his best to show solidarity with hobbled front court mate Carmelo Anthony – self-sidelined with nagging wrist and ankle – by bravely deciding to not play basketball in the first half. But someone (I’m guessing Herb Williams, via nothing buy laser-eyed stares) must’ve sparked Stat’s J at the half, because Amare’ looked better from mid-range in the final two stanzas than he has maybe all season. Despite the few-and-far-between flashes, however, this wasn’t exactly the rising-to-the-occasion that many of us either hoped or expected.

Tom: “Hey, we have an All-Star power forward! Let’s make sure he never touches the ball!

Landry Fields, G 34 MIN | 4-12 FG | 4-4 FT | 7 REB | 5 AST | 14 PTS | -1

About five minutes into the game, it was easy to imagine Landry mumbling to himself that he should be playing a 7th red-shirted year at Stanford right now. Such was the extent to which our loveable ruffian is — and was — simply outclassed on the wing tonight. Nevertheless, Landry managed to Lego together a nice, multi-colored keep – on paper, anyway – lending more credence to the notion that he’s back to some semblance of form.

Tom: “He’s a pretty good player… For a second round pick.”

Tyson Chandler, C 39 MIN | 2-3 FG | 5-8 FT | 12 REB | 1 AST | 9 PTS | -4

I’m not sure how many more times Chandler can tolerate setting solid picks at the high post, rolling in textbook fashion rim-ward, and somehow not be rewarded by whichever plebe guard happens to be standing their trying to braid the ball’s hair. Tyson easily could’ve had four or five dunks to go along with his already rock-steady line. And then there’s his psychological — and at times physical — abuse of Chris Bosh, which exactly 190% of the basketball-ignorant population could predict simply by looking at side-by-side headshots of the two.

Tom: “Here’s what I’d do: Give the ball to Tyson Chandler and let him stuff it on Joel Anthony’s face every time down the floor.”

Toney Douglas, PG 36 MIN | 6-18 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 5 AST | 16 PTS | -5

If what we’ve seen of Douglas this year – and particularly the last few games – is any indication of what we can expect in the next 15 months of his recently option-exercised contract, I might seriously consider holding up a string car washes and strip clubs until I have enough money to buy him out of his contract myself.

Tom: “He’s %&*!@#^* terrible!”

Iman Shumpert, G 20 MIN | 2-6 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 2 AST | 5 PTS | -14

I’m just going to start calling three-point shots with one foot near or on the line “Shumpers.” The effort – particularly on the defensive end – is never anything short of balls-to-wall, and tonight was no exception. As for the court awareness, shot selection, ability to control his body in traffic, and finishing on contested dunks? That craft remains the dual proprietorship of two of the guys in white.

Tom: “I like him. He’s a chucker who can’t shoot, but I like him.”

Mike Bibby, PG 13 MIN | 2-9 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 2 AST | 6 PTS | -9

Bibby didn’t do too much in this one – hit a couple threes, made a handful of nice, crisp passes, tried to bite Norris Cole’s neck. But if that charge he took on LeBron James at the end of the third quarter doesn’t win him a Purple Heart, Medal of Honor, ESPY, and free oxycontin for life, there is no God.

Tom: “Do I like Mike Bibby?…”

Jared Jeffries, PF 19 MIN | 0-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 6 REB | 1 AST | 0 PTS | -11

I don’t really have an opinion on Jared Jeffries.

Tom: “I don’t really have an opinion on Jared Jeffries.”

Steve Novak, SF 9 MIN | 2-7 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 6 PTS | -4

You can see how savant three-point shooters get to be that way.

Tom: “I love this guy Shizma or what’s his name on the Celtics…. Stiemsma? Whatever… Boy that Novak hasn’t seen a shot he doesn’t love, huh?.”

Bill Walker, SG 31 MIN | 7-12 FG | 0-0 FT | 7 REB | 1 AST | 21 PTS | +3

For a while there, it looked like it was going to be another Arbor Mist vintage Bill Walker performance: Pick up ball after one dribble, throw ball directly into opponent’s hands, foul opponent in transition, rinse, repeat. But something funny happened on the way to KnickerBlogger postgame wrath: Billy went bananas. Yes, he scored all 21 of his points on threes. Yes, he made a handful of passes and moves that would likely get you bludgeoned in the wrong street game. But Walker also played harder on defense than I’ve seen him play all year, taking turns in both the LeBron and Dwayne torture chambers and playing – I loath this statement worse than an ass rash – whistle to whistle every time.

Tom: “Bill Walker’s a good player — always liked him.”

Five Things We Saw

  1. The Miami Heat enjoy forcefully throwing the ball through the rim. Right from the go-get, the Knicks seemed pretty intent on tricking the Heat into a Jordan vs. Bird three-point shoot-out. As such, Miami had their way inside, particularly on slashes from James and Wade, the latter of whom actually made me want to break my own ankle, just to see if two weeks later I could jump over people’s heads. Meanwhile, the Heat seemed content with letting the Knicks launch from deep. And launch they did! Forty-three of them, to be exact — something that’s only been done seven times since the arc’s advent. In the end, 54 of the Knicks’ 89 points would come from deep, which is the most awesomely depressing basketball statistic I’ve read all year.
  2. So much for Carmelo Anthony being the raison d’etre for Amar’e Stoudemire’s cliff plummet. I’ve been arguing nonstop these last few weeks that Stat’s woes are more the product of systemic crises than they are any rotting of talent. And I still believe that. Mostly. But when I see Stat do the same stupid shit without Melo on the floor as with him, doubt can’t help but pay a visit. After hearing me react to Iman Shumpert shoveling a pass to Amar’e on the break by yelling “NO-WHATAREYOUDOINGWHATAREYOUDOINGWHATAREYOUDOING!?!?!?!” (mind you, a full second or two before Stat even made a move) only to see Stat do exactly what me and millions of others knew he would do — give the ball to the other team — even my wife knows what I’m talking about here.
  3. When I can hear Knicks fans chant “air ball,” you have a terrible crowd.
  4. That pin-down screen they ran for Steve Novak is pretty nifty. In fact, it’s the kind of play they should be running for Melo more, and – as it was for Novak – in the flow of the offense.
  5. The next person I hear / see say / tweet that this was a “moral victory” should have their feet put in a blender. Losing is losing — it never gets any more fun.

33 comments on “Quick-ish Reactions: Heat 99, Knicks 89

  1. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    Funny stuff, Jim!

    I’m not sure how many more times Chandler can tolerate setting solid picks at the high post, rolling in textbook fashion rim-ward, and somehow not be rewarded by whichever plebe guard happens to be standing their trying to braid the ball’s hair. Tyson easily could’ve had four or five dunks to go along with his already rock-steady line. And then there’s his psychological — and at times physical — abuse of Chris Bosh, which exactly 190% of the basketball-ignorant population could predict simply by looking at side-by-side headshots of the two.

    It is amazing how out of place Chandler looks each game just by being an all around good basketball player. Shumpert and Fields both look good on occasion on defense and offense, respectively, but Chandler is the only guy out there who seems like he just brings it every single game on both ends of the court. Hopefully Davis starts rewarding his play when he joins the team.

    I’m not used to seeing the Knicks spend millions on a guy who lives up to his expectations (heck, perhaps even exceed expectations). What a job he did on Bosh (who was on a real roll entering tonight’s game).

  2. Jim Cavan (@JPCavan) Post author

    Thanks, guys.

    I hope everyone realizes I don’t really want to put anyone’s feet in a blender or rob car washes and strip clubs. Consider this the disclaimer.

    But holy crap is this team frustrating.

  3. bobneptune

    not to beat a dead horse again but how does a 7’1″ guy who gets 2 field goal attempts in the first 47:31 and makes exactly one get an A- ?

    also, how many more times do we have to watch him with dwayne wade on his hip covering him on a switch down low and watch him pitch the ball to the 3 point line rather than taking it to the rim for a make or a foul? he seems intent on never taking a shot that isn’t a lob or a put back.

    and of course , on the defensive side, mr shot blocker had a nice vantage point admiring the slam dunk contest. how many points did miami score in the restricted area tonight? he certainly wasn’t unable to help because of the threat of joel anthony, right.

    your grading scale with this guy reeks of the soft bigotry of low expectations. i understand he is a stats guys delight and you want to grade him positively, but against joel anthony what did he bring positive to the table? (and please don’t tell me he held joel anthony 2.6 points below his career average :-) )

  4. bobneptune

    Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin):

    I’m not used to seeing the Knicks spend millions on a guy who lives up to his expectations (heck, perhaps even exceed expectations). What a job he did on Bosh (who was on a real roll entering tonight’s game).

    bosh not scoring or playing well is more a function of if wade is on the floor that night or not:

    http://www.hothothoops.com/2012-articles/january/bosh-thriving-withoutwade.html

    cliffs: bosh scores 7 more ppg and has a ts% 8 points higher when wade doesn’t play.

  5. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    This is not a moral victory but it does silence a few people that do not watch the knicks on a constant basis. You know those that do nothing but reiterate what they hear on other sites.

    The truth is the rest of the team can play if used in the right capacity. Another truth is we can score with melo on the sideline (as evident every time he is not on the floor or when he took a lesser role to “help his team”). Third truth is amare needs to shake of trade rumors and play his game. If he plays within spectrum of his game, he can be extremely effective (especially when he gets his shot back and finish hard without the mentality of drawing a foul).

    If i was to say what was good about the game is that we are playing solid team basketball. There must be a basketball god cause Melo was on the bench healing. They look good on defense since Coach Woodson has been the Assistant. Now the team has to gel and the coaching staff to gel as well. They all need to play in a team concept including the coaches. I think the problem is Woodson And MDA need to feed of each other and stop trying to be a specific coach.

    If you have a defensive guru and a offensive guru you just need to use your best Qualities, against his best coaching qualities, your mind, against his mind. It’s simple, set plays and try to out maneuver the next coach. Rivalry always makes you better. Run a 5 on 5 were you both coach. MDA coach’s what the offense should do and Woodson coaches what the defense should do to get better. Coach against coach. Mix the teams up for certain game time situation build chemistry and cohesiveness. Don’t use the starting lineup, this will help the team really get to know there teammates not just some but all. They will learn the ins and outs of there team. Finally give them 30 minutes of shootaround time where they help each other with different facets of the game. Imagine Tyson chandler with a short range jumper. Amare with T Chandlers knowledge of defense. Wow the…

  6. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    LMNYKFAN4LIFE: I h

    I am talking about what i wrote in the thread before this one not the really quick reaction that was amazingly funny. By the way, I agree you should definitely use Knick haters as add lib’s that was Hysterical smh

  7. gregor.samsa

    Funny stuff, and the blurb for Shumpert is a perfect summation of his season.

    On a completely different note, you can’t use ‘raison d’etre’ in that sense, which I only mention it because you seem like the kind of person that would care.

  8. f.l.o.

    this blog and specially the quick-reactions are one of the main reasons i can bear to keep on watching the knicks…
    keep it up !

  9. JPC's Wifey

    Ok, I actually registered for KBer. Not that I’ll ever have anything intelligent to say. I just want you all to know… I CAN’T BELIEVE I’M BECOMING A KNICKS FAN!!! I really never thought it was possible to ever like a team not from Boston. But ok, I’ll admit, I love your city, the history of the team, and I HATE when the Knicks lose (mostly because I wake up the next morning to a ravaged living room and a grumpy husband – ok, jk about the LR). And, I think my hubby’s ingeniously witty – how could I not enjoy reading his stuff!?
    Hey sweetie, didn’t my dad say something to the likes of, “I think Bibby’s dad could play better than Bibby right now”?? Haha. Ok, GO CELTS! (oops sorry)

  10. Frank O.

    You know, we’re mostly all a fickle bunch of bastards…
    Amare did a post game interview a couple games ago. He thanked the fans for their patience and reminded everyone that he spent the entire break waiting for his back to heal and that he couldn’t play ball or run the entire time. Then no preseason.
    No wonder he isn’t quite right.
    I know everyone is frustrated. I know they make a lot of money, but getting right physically is calculated as part of doing business. The guy is showing signs that his legs are finally back. He’s had more thunderous slams these past few games than he has all season, and his jumper is showing signs of improving.
    It seems that people’s frustration with the Knicks losing so much over the past decade has made them put their heads in the sand when it comes to common sense facts. Players must heal. Teams must learn to play together. Practices are necessary for teams, especially new teams, to function well as a team.
    We also have a few very young guys in the mix and there is virtually no time to fix bad habits, which means we see them sorting things out against professional players in a game. Development takes more time that way.
    I’m as frustrated with losing as the next fan. But all this talk of trade this guy, trade that guy, those are zeke-like moves. We all knew, any one of the analysts who have played ball knew, that it would take a large part of this truncated, brutal season for this team to come together. I am convinced you all will be singing the Knicks praises late in the season as they begin to show the same grit they showed last night, on a day to day basis, but with more wins than losses as the byproduct. That is, if Dolan doesn’t make a knee-jerk mistake, like some of the reactions I see on this blog lately.
    This board feels more like an adolescent support group. I miss the statistically based banter.

  11. Frank O.

    I went back and lookked at Amare’s past five games, and as m eyes told me, his play has improved fairly significantly. He’s still off his career stats, but there has been real improvement.
    To whit:
    TS%- season, .497. Last 5, .522 (career, .597)
    eFG% – season, .432. L5, .475 (career, .535)
    TRB% – season, 13.5. L5, 15.04 (career, 14.4)
    BLK% – season, 1.3. L5, 1.98 (career, 2.9)

    From my perspective, his legs are coming back. He’s climbing out of his funk. I suspect over e next 10 games, we’ll start to see the old Amare.

  12. Eazy B

    Frank O.:
    You know, we’re mostly all a fickle bunch of bastards…
    Amare did a post game interview a couple games ago. He thanked the fans for their patience and reminded everyone that he spent the entire break waiting for his back to heal and that he couldn’t play ball or run the entire time. Then no preseason.
    No wonder he isn’t quite right.
    I know everyone is frustrated. I know they make a lot of money, but getting right physically is calculated as part of doing business. The guy is showing signs that his legs are finally back. He’s had more thunderous slams these past few games than he has all season, and his jumper is showing signs of improving.
    It seems that people’s frustration with the Knicks losing so much over the past decade has made them put their heads in the sand when it comes to common sense facts. Players must heal. Teams must learn to play together. Practices are necessary for teams, especially new teams, to function well as a team.
    We also have a few very young guys in the mix and there is virtually no time to fix bad habits, which means we see them sorting things out against professional players in a game. Development takes more time that way.
    I’m as frustrated with losing as the next fan. But all this talk of trade this guy, trade that guy, those are zeke-like moves. We all knew, any one of the analysts who have played ball knew, that it would take a large part of this truncated, brutal season for this team to come together. I am convinced you all will be singing the Knicks praises late in the season as they begin to show the same grit they showed last night, on a day to day basis, but with more wins than losses as the byproduct. That is, if Dolan doesn’t make a knee-jerk mistake, like some of the reactions I see on this blog lately.
    This board feels more like an adolescent support group. I miss the statistically based banter…

  13. Eazy B

    Oops – guess my response didn’t make it, but you hit it right on the head, Frank. Your explanation with Amare is one example of why it seems more of a leap that thongs will stay this bad than significantly improve. The user comments have made this site almost unreadable, but the hilarious articles do wonders for the post-loss blues.

    Keep it up, guys!

  14. bobneptune

    Frank O.:
    I went back and lookked at Amare’s past five games, and as m eyes told me, his play has improved fairly significantly. He’s still off his career stats, but there has been real improvement.
    To whit:
    TS%- season, .497. Last 5, .522 (career, .597)
    eFG% – season, .432. L5, .475 (career, .535)
    TRB% – season, 13.5. L5, 15.04 (career, 14.4)
    BLK% – season, 1.3. L5, 1.98 (career, 2.9)

    From my perspective, his legs are coming back. He’s climbing out of his funk. I suspect over e next 10 games, we’ll start to see the old Amare.

    frank,

    from my perspective amar’e has one exceptional basketball skill and that is running/finishing on the pnr.

    without a pg competent at running the pnr, amar’e like having a porsche and running it on 60 octane fuel.

    his entire offensive game (and that is practically where his entire value is) revolves around his athleticism in the pnr game. he doesn’t have great post moves, if he puts the ball n the floor from 20 feet, lol usually ensues.

    but the powers that be decided to spend their entire 14 M /yr on a center that is ~ a ten and ten guy , but he gets his 10 wonderfully efficiently.

    that choice has forced the offense into the hands of the obviously incompetent td for anyone who was watching him play his previous seasons and a rookie that is clearly a 2.

    while chandler is a fine player in the limited things he does, his addition to the roster was subtraction by addition as his presence caused a black hole at the point which not only made the point play god awful, but made amar’e a small fraction of the player he was.

    that is my problem with chandler and i am astonished savvy hoops fans don’t see it. his addition to THIS team caused a plus at the 5, but a big minus at the 1 and 4.

  15. ess-dog

    Ok, a few things:

    I think D’Antoni has to go. His rotations just suck (he leaves bad players in too long) and the fact that Balkman isn’t getting any burn is ridiculous. Sure, he’s not going to cure our shooting/passing woes, but he deserves minutes at least as much as friggin Walker. His WS/48 is .192 for chrissakes.

    There is slight improvement as far as Amare goes but he really needs a pg, as most everyone has noted. Although it will be nice to have Baron in the fold, we really should be looking for another point who can run an offense. Tinsley, Ridnour, whoever. Why hasn’t that happened yet?

    I think Melo will be ok when he returns. His numbers were good pre-injury.

    I’m glad Fields is improving, but the guy just isn’t a starting 2 guard. He had his shot blocked 5 times last night! He’s a backup sf. Let TD/Shump/Bibby split time at the 2 even though they all suck right now.

    In the long run, I’m not actually that concerned with our “big three” as long as the f&*#@n front office and D’Antoni can figure out what everyone on this board already knows about the lineup and rotation.

  16. bobneptune

    ess-dog:
    Ok, a few things:

    I think D’Antoni has to go.His rotations just suck (he leaves bad players in too long) and the fact that Balkman isn’t getting any burn is ridiculous.Sure, he’s not going to cure our shooting/passing woes, but he deserves minutes at least as much as friggin Walker.His WS/48 is .192 for chrissakes.

    i find this infatuation with balkman interesting to say the least.

    balkman was drafted by thomas, who had a vested interest in seeing him do well and giving him a fair chance. thomas gave him some pt and quickly balkman fell out of favor with the coach/gm that drafted him.

    walsh (known universally as a fair man) couldn’t wait to dump balkman to denver as soon as he was hired. clearly his opinion of balkman was poor.

    george karl gets balkman and gives him some minutes his first year and quickly sours on him.

    he gets added into the melo deal as a salary dump and d’antoni refuses to play him last year and this year.

    there are 29 other gm’s in the league and none of them are beating down the doors of the knicks to get this “hidden statistical gem” on their rosters.

    ever stop to think maybe that is because he sucks at basketball no matter what his ws/48 says?

  17. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    This season will be a success if they finish 30-36. They are a really, really bad team, and no amount of “gel” is going to fix that.

  18. Nick C.

    The Honorable Cock Jowles:
    This season will be a success if they finish 30-36. They are a really, really bad team, and no amount of “gel” is going to fix that.

    You think the players are bad or they just don’t fit together? (Chandler/Amare, Amare/Melo, no PG etc.)
    oh great write-up again Jim

  19. Caleb

    bobneptune: i find this infatuation with balkman interesting to say the least.

    balkman was drafted by thomas, who had a vested interest in seeing him do well and giving him a fair chance. thomas gave him some pt and quickly balkman fell out of favor with the coach/gm that drafted him.

    walsh (known universally as a fair man) couldn’t wait to dump balkman to denver as soon as he was hired. clearly his opinion of balkman was poor.

    george karl gets balkman and gives him some minutes his first year and quickly sours on him.

    he gets added into the melo deal as a salary dump and d’antoni refuses to play him last year and this year.

    there are 29 other gm’s in the league and none of them are beating down the doors of the knicks to get this “hidden statistical gem” on their rosters.

    ever stop to think maybe that is because he sucks at basketball no matter what his ws/48 says?

    This is a lazy comment – he didn’t fall out of favor with Thomas, he played more as the year went on (and very well). Denver is harder to judge because they had a glut of pretty good forwards (Carmelo, Kenyon Martin, Harrington, Afflalo, Linas Kleiza the first year), and D’Antoni obviously has always disliked Balkman or his game; he played exactly half of a summer league game before he got shipped out.

    There are a million reasons, some maybe good, why he hasn’t stuck, but he’s played well when he’s been on the court, and a team that sucks as much as this one can’t be picky because a player has faults.

    By playing well, I mean pretty good defense, great rebounding for his position, solid ballhandler, can’t shoot but knows it so he doesnt jack up bad shots, and is a good finisher. All together it more than makes up for the bonehead fouls and a brain farts you’re going to get, too. As John Thompson said, you can calm down a wild man but you can’t resurrect a corpse…

  20. bobneptune

    Caleb: This is a lazy comment – he didn’t fall out of favor with Thomas, he played more as the year went on (and very well).

    this is a complete falsehood. i’m not implying it is done purposefully, but rather it is a manifestation of the stat fanboi balkman-o-phile’s selective memories.

    he didn’t “play more as the year went on” coached by his drafting gm he played 15.6 mpg his first year and 14.6 mpg his second year.

    maybe the reason his minutes didn’t increase was his crappy play as denoted by his .065 ws/48 his second season?

    walsh came in and dumped him. did he have a hard-on for balkman, too?

    how about karl… he gave him a look and didn’t see enough to give him rotation time with k-mart’s historically bad knees.

    d’antoni won’t play him. no gm will trade for him. surely he could be had from the knicks for a bucket of warm spit, but no one wants him.

    everybody’s a moron, i guess.

    just out of curiosity, what does he bring to the table when he is on the floor? is he a lock down defender at any position? does he facilitate the offense with passing skills? can he score? what plus skill of any sort does he bring to the table that makes him such a fine player that no coach or gm can see?

    i mean he’s got a kool do and eyes that look like mine did when i was smoking nepalese temple balls 40 years ago, but other than
    that, what’s the attraction?

  21. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    There are a million reasons, some maybe good, why he hasn’t stuck, but he’s played well when he’s been on the court, and a team that sucks as much as this one can’t be picky because a player has faults.

    Can you imagine what D’Antoni would have done with a young Dennis Rodman? Bench city. But yeah, the proof is in the pudding – Balkman plays well whenever he plays, but he never plays. It doesn’t make any sense. It’s like when Nate was benched for sixteen games for making a dumb mistake. Then he returns and plays the exact same way he did before he was benched. If a player is a net positive, like Nate was and Balkman is, you play them even if they do dumb stuff on occasion. But D’Antoni and Karl are two of the most stubborn coaches in the game, so we’ll never see it. As you note, D’Antoni shipped Balkman off after a single summer game! So obviously he was not going to give him a fair chance when he got him again. D’Antoni is not exactly a huge fan of giving players a fair chance if he’s made up his mind about them.

  22. Caleb

    bobneptune: this is a complete falsehood. i’m not implying it is done purposefully, but rather it is a manifestation of the stat fanboi balkman-o-phile’s selective memories.

    he didn’t “play more as the year went on” coached by his drafting gm he played 15.6 mpg his first year and 14.6 mpg his second year.

    maybe the reason his minutes didn’t increase was his crappy play as denoted by his .065 ws/48 his second season?

    walsh came in and dumped him. did he have a hard-on for balkman, too?

    how about karl… he gave him a look and didn’t see enough to give him rotation time with k-mart’s historically bad knees.

    d’antoni won’t play him. no gm will trade for him. surely he could be had from the knicks for a bucket of warm spit, but no one wants him.

    everybody’s a moron, i guess.

    just out of curiosity, what does he bring to the table when he is on the floor? is he a lock down defender at any position? does he facilitate the offense with passing skills? can he score? what plus skill of any sort does he bring to the table that makes him such a fine player that no coach or gm can see?

    i mean he’s got a kool do and eyes that look like mine did when i was smoking nepalese temple balls 40 years ago, but other than
    that, what’s the attraction?

    Let’s see, he led NBA rookies in blocks + steals his rookie year.. has good rates since… he’s been among top NBA SFs in rebound rate each year (1st his rookie year)… he is a pretty good ballhandler with a low turnover rate.. finishes well, etc. (all skills more valuable in a running team. vs. half-court but that’s another story). Brian is right that his banishment in NY says more about D’ANtoni than it does about Balkman.

    I do think he’s had some off-court & personality issues that cause conflict with coaches..

  23. bobneptune

    Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin): Can you imagine what D’Antoni would have done with a young Dennis Rodman?

    let me try to deconstruct your straw men one by one:

    1…..imagine what d’antoni would have done with rodman. the obvious fair answer is we have no idea, but it isn’t just dantoni that gave balkman the bums rush, but dantoni, karl and thomas (who had a vested interest in him but couldn’t find serious rotation time for him).

    i’m sure thomas visualized a poor man’s rodman when he drafted him, but in 2 seasons with him he found out reality is quite different than dreams.

    and , of course, your what would d’antoni have done with rodman straw man ignores there are 29 other gm’s that also fail to see the brilliance you see in balkman.

    2…Nate (dantoni sucks because he didn’t see nate’s brilliance , too strawman). Nate found himself in the doghouse because he was an undisciplined freak show, not a quality nba player.

    all you need to know about nate is okc dumped him and paid his salary rather than have his immaturity polluting their possible championship run.

    3… d’antoni shipped balkman off…… of course, walsh shipped balkman off and i can’t imagine he would have done that if he thought balkman had any value, so he must be stupid too.

  24. bobneptune

    Caleb: Let’s see, he led NBA rookies in blocks + steals his rookie year.. has good rates since… he’s been among top NBA SFs in rebound rate each year (1st his rookie year)… he is a pretty good ballhandler with a low turnover rate.. finishes well, etc. (all skills more valuable in a running team. vs. half-court but that’s another story). Brian is right that his banishment in NY says more about D’ANtoni than it does about Balkman.

    I do think he’s had some off-court & personality issues that cause conflict with coaches..

    funny i found him 9th in blocks and 8th in steals among rookies on nba.com

    http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Steals.jsp?league=00&season=22006&conf=OVERALL&position=0&splitType=9&splitScope=GAME&qualified=N&yearsExp=0&splitDD=

    as to being a pretty good ball handler with low turn overs, a sf is supposed to be a ‘pretty good ball handler’ and he has low turnovers because he handles the ball very seldom on offense and when he does, he never puts it on the floor, so how when the knick’s offense is playing virtually 4 on 5 is he supposed to rack up turn overs?

    as to finishing, anyone can finish on the break, but he is particularly weak finishing in traffic, imo.
    who likes to run more than d’antoni and karl, yet they seem not to see the skillset you see.

    i don’t know anything about him in the room, but there is one particular thing that bothers me about him and his lack of game. he has never improved any facet of his game.

    i mean he must not work very hard because nothing he does gets better. are you telling me with allan houston sitting around he couldn’t have gotten some help with his shooting stroke and shot 500 3 balls after practice every day and become the next bruce bowen or even a mickeal pietrus.

    i have a feeling this is what the coaches beef is with him…. not that he looks like he just smoked a…

  25. Mike Kurylo

    JPC’s Wifey:
    Ok, I actually registered for KBer.Not that I’ll ever have anything intelligent to say.I just want you all to know… I CAN’T BELIEVE I’M BECOMING A KNICKS FAN!!!I really never thought it was possible to ever like a team not from Boston.But ok, I’ll admit, I love your city, the history of the team, and I HATE when the Knicks lose (mostly because I wake up the next morning to a ravaged living room and a grumpy husband – ok, jk about the LR).And, I think my hubby’s ingeniously witty – how could I not enjoy reading his stuff!?
    Hey sweetie, didn’t my dad say something to the likes of, “I think Bibby’s dad could play better than Bibby right now”??Haha.Ok, GO CELTS! (oops sorry)

    Historical moment in KB history.

    The first comfirmed female commenter!

    Way to break through the glass ceiling

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