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Tuesday, September 2, 2014

Pre-Draft Trades Ahoy!

With the draft approaching, it looks like teams are making moves. The Charlotte Bobcats acquired the #20 pick from the Nuggets. In return Denver will receive a future protected first round pick, and they also save some cap space this year (by not being forced to sign their draft pick). Similarly the Hornets traded their first round pick to Portland for cash. Grabbing the #27 pick gives the Blazers 5 picks this year, at least for now.

But the biggest trade of the pre-draft (for now) was made between Toronto and Indiana. The Pacers send their All Star Center Jermaine O’Neal for the #17 pick, T.J. Ford, Rasho Nesterovic, and another player that makes about $4M (Anthony Parker?). This trades marks two teams heading in different directions. The Raptors are looking to build around their star player Chris Bosh, and Jermaine O’Neal should make Toronto a better defensive team. If nothing else he’ll give the Raps an upgrade from the 1600+ minutes they got last year from Nesterovic and cut into the 1600+ minutes they gave to Bargnani. Meanwhile the Pacers finally decide to go full force into rebuild mode, and will compete for a lottery pick in 2009.

24 comments on “Pre-Draft Trades Ahoy!

  1. jon abbey

    the Oregonian is reporting:

    “The Portland Trail Blazers have intensified discussions with the New Jersey Nets about moving up into the 10th pick of the NBA draft with intentions of taking Texas point guard D.J. Augustin, league sources told Yahoo! Sports on Wednesday.

    The Blazers would send the 13th and 33rd picks in Thursday’s draft, along with guard Jarrett Jack, to the Nets. New Jersey also would send guard Trenton Hassell to the Blazers.”

    this is one we should think about getting in on, Portland could add one more asset (our #36 pick back?) and we could give them the #6 pick and maybe Mardy Collins.

  2. Z

    Collins and #6 for Jack and #13 and #36? Would Portland prefer that to NJ’s potential offers?

    We can take Darius Miles + #13 + #27 for #6 + Malik Rose…

  3. jon abbey

    “We can take Darius Miles + #13 + #27 for #6 + Malik Rose…”

    that would be good, we should get one or two of their second rounders in that deal also. they certainly don’t need them…

  4. Ray

    No. I dont like that deal at all. I mean id love the extra picks coming in. That would be great but do we really have room for all those players? Picks that low would not be pieces to build around they would be more supporting cast guys. We already have a bunch of those. Im just waiting for DOnnie to do some magic!!!

  5. Ryan J. Parker

    I see the Bobcats are taking a page out of the Panthers play book. [sarcasm] Why settle for just one first round pick when you can trade away a future one to get two? [/sarcasm]

    I’m interested to see what they decide to do with the picks, but I’m not holding my breath.

  6. Matthew

    Wow, I hope for the Raptors sake that Parker isn’t a mere throw-in. He’s a legitimately solid starter for any team.

  7. Ess-dog

    My guess is that the Knicks will take the highest value at #6 and then trade down if someone is left that they like, i.e. Love drops, they pick him and then swing a trade with Charlotte at 9 to get say, Augustin and an extra piece.
    That is of course, they don’t somehow win the Beasley sweepstakes. But if Miami wants OJ, they won’t trade down to 6. But if they want Bayless (which seems like a better fit to me) we could maybe get him at 6 and then do a deal with Lee.
    So many possibilities! I can’t see us getting a late 1st or 2nd rounder though, which I would love b/c I really like Batum.
    Also, I am also glad we didn’t trade for O’Neal, and I agree with Bilas in that I think Augustin will be better than Ford.
    Also also, I would be happy with Bayless at this point. How many workouts has he had deemed “amazing” or “mindblowing” before, well, maybe he is just that?

  8. Brendan

    I hate that stated trade for the Nets. What on earth was the point of Marcus Williams if you’re going to bury him that much deeper on the bench, next to whoever they take with #13 and 33 who Frank won’t play anyway? Feh, bah, meh, gyaah. Even if you think he’s useless trade bait, making him non-playing useless trade bait doesn’t increase his value any. If I read RealGm right Hassel’s a 2010 expire as well, so quoi?

    The Toronto/Pacers deal is more evaluable when the terms are finalized- they seem to vary now based on which site is confirming the deal. As it stands, I like it a lot for both teams, just because the risk is shared and the potential rewards are fairly strong for both teams based on position. If O’Neal is healthy, all of a sudden the Raptors are scary, and Calderon’s an All-Star with starter’s minutes.

    Honestly, I’ll be shocked if the Blazers deal for a #6-10 selection- I almost expect them to be in for the #2, just based on how many assets they have and how that compares to their cap situation and amount of available playing time.

  9. Dan Panorama

    Hey, for what it’s worth I was just at a charity event with Steve Nash and Jason Kidd and got a chance to ask them which PG they thought the Knicks should target tomorrow.

    Nash immediately said DJ Augustin, who people seem to be comparing him to a lot these days. Kidd said Bayless, who has a radically different game than his own. So there you have it, two point guard picks from two of the greatest point guards in NBA history.

  10. Erich

    Just off the cuff, I think the Pacers won this trade and will likely be playoff bound. J O’Neal is a fantasy star, not basketball star.
    Since I’m devoting most of my time to the draft, I’ll be interested to see what a full analysis would say…

  11. jon abbey

    “Hey, for what it’s worth I was just at a charity event with Steve Nash and Jason Kidd and got a chance to ask them which PG they thought the Knicks should target tomorrow.

    Nash immediately said DJ Augustin, who people seem to be comparing him to a lot these days. Kidd said Bayless, who has a radically different game than his own. So there you have it, two point guard picks from two of the greatest point guards in NBA history.”

    nice reporting, dude!

  12. Caleb

    I’m familiar with the WOW take on O’Neal, but watching him, I always think — even if he’s way overrated as an offensive threat, he does seem to be a huge impact player on defense — not just blocking shots but off the ball as well. His plus-minus has been very good, even though his backup, Foster, is a strong defender, too.

    If he’s healthy, and doesn’t mind playing a small role in the offense, I think he could make the Raptors a lot better.

  13. Duff Soviet Union

    Jon, do you agree with Hollinger’s opinion or not. It does seem to me that this is a good trade for both teams although I like it more for Toronto. As he notes, Ford was redundant there (they do need a backup now though) and O’Neal won’t be a huge disaster even if he is washed up. I think Hollinger overrates TJ Ford a bit though. As a shoot first point guard he seems like the kind of player who PER likes a little too much. Still, as he notes, a noticeable upgrade on Tinsley and gives them more flexibility in the draft and cap room and probably a high pick next year when they trade Jeff Foster and Mike Dunleavy remembers that he’s Mike Dunleavy.

  14. jon abbey

    I don’t know, both O’Neal and Ford are such question marks in terms of health, it’s hard to say. it seems like it leaves Indiana superweak inside also, but it’s not like they were going to be contending for anything this year anyway.

  15. Thall

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  16. Ted Nelson

    As a couple other people have said: this seems like a win-win deal.

    Toronto had to do something with Ford (trade him or change his mind, which seems more likely?). Also, putting O’Neal next to Bosh is not like bringing in O’Neal and expecting him to be your best bigman, he’ll be part of a rotation that includes Bosh and (a hopefully improved) Bargnani. The Raps are a playoff team even if JO’s hurt all year and a contender if he’s healthy. A change of scenery might be what JO needs to get healthy.

    Indy finally gets the PG they’ve been as incredibly desperate for as most posters on this board… Ford isn’t All-NBA but he’s a good starting PG whose won everywhere he’s been. I don’t like Augustin’s chances of being better than Ford anyway, but saying we hope this guy can perform at the NBA level is different from saying this guy has performed at the NBA level. Ford’s also 5 years younger than JO. On top of that they get a mid-first and a pretty solid defensive big is Rasho… If they get Anthony Parker as well than they also address their outside shooting issues in some way other than Kareem Rush and Travis Deiner.

    As other people have pointed out, the injury risks balance one another out.

  17. Mike K. (KnickerBlogger) Post author

    I put Anthony Parker in the deal, because I couldn’t get ESPN’s trade checker to work otherwise. No one else mentioned him in the deal, but just Rasho & TJ doesn’t work with respect to salary.

  18. Dave

    TJ is a base year contract that’s why the deal doesn’t work in the ESPN trade checker. It won’t work for another two weeks until Free Agency opens so it won’t be official until then. I think the Raptors need to include a small contract too, looks like it’ll be Maceo Baston (possibly Graham instead).

  19. jon abbey

    Parker isn’t involved, the rest of it is:

    “ESPN.com has also learned that the Raptors will get the 41st pick from the Pacers as part of the deal while the Pacers will receive Raptors forward Maceo Baston to complete the deal.”

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3461029

    and the trade can’t go through until 7/9, that might be why you can’t get the trade checker to work.

  20. caleb

    “You know Heri can\’t type and suuck his ammma\’s kock at the same sublime, don\’t gurgle nuthin\’ Heri lady, cough once for a full load and burp from your poop shoot in BLISS! you buuutt sucker….”

    Is Stephen A. warming up for the liveblog tonight?

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