Post Game: Magic beat Knicks, 115-89

I really didn’t think they would be this bad. But I think they are all kind of dragging each other down sometimes. The current first unit plays pretty good NBA level defense a lot of the time, but they can’t score at an NBA level. Frank taking an open three is actually good offense by their srandards. Hardaway is hampered by being the first unit’s onlY real scoring threat. If he is prevented from scoring, the well is going to be pretty dry for the Knicks. The second unit can’t defend.

didn’t see the game, but obviously this was a stinker. But in general this team has been very competitive (I think I saw some stat that they had had the lead or been tied in the 4th Q of just about every game this year) even though we all acknowledged the team as constructed (and not including KP) has one of the worst talent bases in the league. What else were we expecting?

The most disturbing aspect of the year so far is how inconsistent Ntilikina has been. But that’s been balanced by MitchRob, how much better in general THJ has looked, and Trier.

Anyway, it’s super fun to watch Duke highlights.

I really didn’t think they would be this bad.

They haven’t been THIS bad. That was by far the worst game of the season. Our losses have been very competitive for the most part. For a group that is into analytics, we tend to fall prey to recency bias. We are not a good team, but we are also not as bad as we looked last night. And every loss is a good thing.

This is what building exclusively out of the draft is going to be like in an era when NBA teams are drafting teenagers with one year of college experience (or in Robinson’s case no experience). You are going to have a team full of players that aren’t very good yet and that are 5, 6, or 7 years away from reaching their potential.

The beginnings of a good team are here if we keep adding via draft and you have a 5 year developmental outlook. But a better idea would be to find a couple of top tier players crazy enough to come to NY to play with these kids at this stage of the game.

More likely is that we are going to overpay to bring someone in or we’ll add short term filler FAs to hold at least some of the cap space after we pay KP.

This is what people said they wanted. Now we have it. Don’t worry, we’ll be good in 2023.

@9 Thanks

I guess I understand the trade demand. He came to MIN in a trade. He wasn’t signing with them.
He new he’d be an FA. He wanted to get to his new team. I also can’t blame him for wanting his new team to have his Bird rights. That’s kind of a bad rule. Bad for MIN fans. He may not have demanded the trade if there was a level playing field.

Yeah as we’ve seen, it’s hard to get top talent outside the top 3 picks in the draft (KP at 4 was a smart pick) unless you get lucky on a flier like MitchRob. Mitch, Frank, and even Mudiay are all so young though… they could all end up as decent players or better.

It will be tough to out-tank CLE and ATL, but we have to try. An improved Timmy could really hurt though.

Danvt, I also heard that Butler wanted a big contract from Minnesota and he wanted it this summer. He says told Thibs that and in June or July that he wanted to be traded since he didn’t have the big contract. Instead Minnesota paid Towns and Wiggins big bucks.

Bruno, don’t overestimate the Sixer’s drafting acumen. Remember, they had lots of picks and some of their high picks, Noel and Okafor in particular, are barely in the league now.

Nine blocks for Mitch Rob? I turned it off after the first half, he must have racked them up.

Speaking of blocks, here is your Tyson Chandler update courtesy of Deadspin…

https://deadspin.com/tyson-chandlers-buzzer-beating-block-wins-game-lebrons-1830379570

I’m beginning to see a bit of Mark Jackson in Fizdale (minus the polarizing off court issues, which is nice). Simply put: he’s a player’s coach who emphasizes defense and has no idea how to get the best out of his team on offense. I really didn’t expect these guys to be operating efficiently by now, but I just don’t see anything from the coaching level that’s helping them. All I see is everyone out there doing their best iso thing. The whole thing in preseason about making players give up the ball quickly on offense was nice and everything, but what system are they running to actually make sure anyone is getting themselves in position to do something better when they receive it?

It’s funny to see serious basketball analysts blame Jayson Tatum regressing from being the best corner 3 point shooter in NBA history on Kobe Bryant. A guy who wasn’t that great of a shooter in college isn’t actually better than every shooter who ever lived? Fuck, he never should have had a conversation with Kobe.

I had no idea what you were talking about so I googled Jayson Tatum Kobe Bryant and was pleasantly amused. Thank you, DRed.

This is what development looks like. Second game of a back to back is always tough.
Keep calm and carry on!

This is what development without talent looks like.

Nobody is agitated or jumping the gun in any way; it’s just a calm and fair assessment that the future does not look bright for this group of players.

It’s hard running an offense without a point guard (or point player, doesn’t have to be a guard.) We have one player who knows how to pass (Burke) and that’s it. We have an assortment of “I’m gonna get mine” chuckers (TH2, Trier, Kanter) low-IQ bumblers (Hezonja, Mudiay, Knox) and “if it weren’t for my perceived value on D I wouldn’t be in the league” guys (Mitch, Vonleh, Frank, Lance, Ron) There isn’t a coach alive who can turn this group into a good offensive team.

The closest thing we have to a 2-way glue-guy type of player right now is Dotson, and he has regressed in the last couple of games. Fiz may be a total moron as an offensive coach, but he’s not the problem here.

@11

You keep saying that and maybe some day it will be rigtht.

The 76ers are in year 6 of their rebuild. The only reason they are this close is because they had so many highly drafted players out for a seaon or two with injuries it delayed the slow progress a team would normally expect after it bottoms out. Even now, all these years into it, they are NOT good enough to be considered a serious contender. What they did is manage their assets well enough to bring in an actual star player to get them in the conversation. And even after Butler they still aren’t good enough. It’s going to take cap space to add free agents to make them a serious contender.

We should be thankful in some perverse way that KP got hurt and missed most of TWO seasons. That allowed us to get a better pick than our talent warranted last year and will again this year. It’s giving us a leg up in the rebuild or we’d be even further away.

Again, don’t worry. 2023 is not that far away. Hell, maybe Durant is crazy enough to play with these kids and get old just in time for them to blossom.

I’m really not getting into this whole discussion again, I just wanted to point out that once again you make bad generalizations about stuff you have decided is wrong. The Kings and Suns have been building through the draft and suck ass still, the Mavericks, Pistons and Hornets tried to build thought smart trades and free agent signings and have sucked badly, the Thunder built what could have been a championship team if wonderboy Presti didn’t screw it up through the draft, the Raptors have built a probable contender through smart moves and signings, Cleveland won a title with a first overall pick, a second first overall pick deciding to return to the team and another first overall pick traded for Love.

You’re once again using this opportunity to reaffirm the same stuff you always argue about when there’s no evidence that the path you suggest the Knicks should take is even better in the first place.

ppl keep blaming the coaches but the utter lack of young talent after all those down years is pretty staggering…

besides the cavs and possibly phoenix… which team in the league wouldn’t you trade the entire roster for?

There is no “utter lack of talent” here. It’s just all young, raw talent. Frank, Dotson, Mitchell, Trier, and Knox are not untalented basketball players.

Yes, suboptimal prospects are what you get when you win too many meaningless basketball games in a misguided effort to win 35 games. But it’s what we’ve got and it’s pretty stupid to write all of them off this quickly and declare them to be completely devoid of talent.

To elaborate further, it’s simply not true that we “never run pick and roll with this guy.” No matter how hard it is for some around here to accept, the truth is that Frank is terrible at running the high PnR because he neither has the ball-handling skills, the passing skills, or the shooting skills that are required to make the PnR work consistently. Sure, he’ll execute it successfully once in a while, or maybe even multiple times in the same game, but there is absolutely no evidence for any optimism that he will become even slightly good at it on a consistent basis.

Hubert, yes, I am writing him off as a PG. I still hold out hope that he can develop into a legit NBA rotation player, but not as a PG or lead guard. Putting the ball in his hands basically wastes 5-10 seconds off of the 24 second clock for what will almost surely result in a lower percentage shot than if any other PG in the league ran the same play, PnR or otherwise.

At the first opportunity, I would call up a young G-League PG and Frank him down until he dominates. Any legit NBA PG should be putting up 20 and 8 in 36 mpg down there. I’m honestly not sure if he would be able to do it. Are you?

Emmanuel Mudiay played 17 minutes yesterday and he has 4000+ minutes in the NBA showing he’s not on this level. What’s the message that sends to the young players?

I was ok with benching Frank in the first after he started incredibly bad, but if the alternative is goddamn Mudiay there’s not much wrong that can go with simply putting Frank back in the 2nd. He sucks and is showing no signs of development but there’s a least some rationale behind thinking he will be a solid rotation player someday. There’s no world in which Mudiay is a solid rotation player in the NBA.

I was ok with benching Frank in the first after he started incredibly bad, but if the alternative is goddamn Mudiay there’s not much wrong that can go with simply putting Frank back in the 2nd. He sucks and is showing no signs of development but there’s a least some rationale behind thinking he will be a solid rotation player someday. There’s no world in which Mudiay is a solid rotation player in the NBA.

LOL…such is the Knicks’ sorry state! The ‘starter’ is bad but the alternatives are worse…

@41

All fair; I at the very least overstated my case by calling Frank’s benching “inexcusable”. I was mad, because that game was absolutely horrible to watch. But I still think he should be getting 30 a night, irrespective of performance, and I just don’t want to see this become a pattern from Fiz even if he shows literally nothing over the course of 82 games (which is a distinct possibility.)

@40 I hear you but one (not you necessarily) can’t say that and then say stuff like “PG is the hardest position and it takes years to develop, be patient with player X but not Player Y.” So far, Mudiay is playing to career highs in OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP, WS48 and PER. I hate his game and think he’s a low-IQ player, but unlike you, I don’t see any reason to favor either him or Frank. Both should be looking over their shoulder at all times, either at each other or at the next PG to be brought in to replace them. Mudiay played 17 whole minutes and was then benched in favor of Burke and Ron.

If folks here favor Frank over Mudiay for irrational reasons, that’s fine, just admit to it. And again, I’m only talking about as a PG. Although I guess that Trier’s development has made moving Frank to the 2 more problematic. The larger point is that there’s no clearly right answer here, and it’s pure favoritism to criticize Fizdale for the way he’s managing Mudiay’s or Frank’s minutes.

Frank is a good sophomore all-around defender, hard stop. I don’t see any facet of that side of the ball he is lacking in, relative to his age and experience. He has the real, very real, potential for being an elite defender.
This, by itself, is good enough reason for him to start for a tanking team, so he can develop the necessary 3 seasons before we can even gauge his progression.
Other things- offensively, he has a confidence problem. This is purely eye-test. When he is forced to take the shot or dribble, or he hit his last shot, he often looks very good.
And based on the way the offense looks and what I’ve heard from just about everyone, Fizdale has focused almost exclusively on defense. So all this talk of no visible PNR/PNP/ATO plays is concerning, but may not be Frank’s fault. He seems willing to drive and dish, shoot, float, post, or dribble back as necessary. I just think he needs more direction on offense.

I do not see where people think his defense is overrated it is really good

By what defensive metric is Frank a really good defender?

I was ok with benching Frank in the first after he started incredibly bad, but if the alternative is goddamn Mudiay there’s not much wrong that can go with simply putting Frank back in the 2nd.

The sad thing about this, is that even Mundiay seems to be playing better than Frank on defense too.

Every single metric available gives the edge to Mundiay this season. DBPM, DRB%, STL%, BLK%, DFG%, Deflections, Loose Ball Recovery, Contested shots (all per 36).

I know, sample size.

Play Frank as much as he needs, but keep checking other options because the kid doesn’t seem to be figuring out so far.

And Trier. And maybe Dotson.

@55

Yup. It’s everyone’s fault but Frank’s. What a shame that we’re not making developing Frank the prime directive of the team.

My reason for not wanting him is that I knew we wouldn’t be the kind of organization capable of developing him. We’re the kind of organization that trades for Emmanuel Mudiay to play his position halfway through his rookie year, spends his first offseason trying to change his position, runs an offense that be best be described as “take turns running ISO”, and benches him for an entire game when he has 5 awful minutes.

In case my post didn’t make it clear I was, and continue to be, against all of these things. I still just don’t find Frank to be a particularly intriguing player, but he’s here now and should be given every chance to succeed.

I don’t think holding young players accountable and making them earn their minutes is pointless, punitive, or stupid.

Sure, but implementing this philosophy to its most extreme logical conclusion would’ve stunted the development of a lot of players who went on to have good careers.

To be clear, I find Frank’s weaknesses to be more troubling than I normally do for players age 19-20. I don’t feel that he’s demonstrated enough things that he could even conceivably be good at one day. It would still be extremely stupid to basically pull the plug on him in a season(s) in which we have nothing to lose (except games, which is a good thing).

I read a comment the other day that Fiz was asked a question about playing faster and the lack of assists and he mentioned they don’t have the personnel right now. If you watch the offense they constantly run pick and rolls, dribble hand-offs and run guys like TH and now Knox off screens. When Kanter is in they post him alot. The problem is the only player on the team who can run a pick and roll to set up other players is Burke. All the other guards run it to set up their own shot. This team would look alot better right now with a decent PG which is why despite his defensive flaws it’s stupid to have Burke benched because he’s the only PG on this roster capable of somewhat running an offense to get other guys involved.

Frank is a slight net positive on DPIPM/DRAPM and a catastrophic negative on OPIPM/ORAPM.

His defense is overrated because he is an absolutely horrible rebounder and doesn’t get as many steals as he probably should (1.7 per 36, which is fine, but defensively elite wings post 2-3 while getting far more drbs). He knows how to move, and has good I on that side of the ball, but he’s not that great of a defender as of yet. He does have all the tools though. Usually that’s an platitude but in Frank’s case it really applies.i think he should be getting 20 MPG at point and 10 at SF

Uncle Rick didn’t develop his game until he was 41. Nobody ever let him play more than 3 minutes per game. Everyone said he sucked. And he did. But what if he had been given 30 minutes per game? Perhaps the process would have been 10 times faster. He died at 43, when an alligator attacked him in Pasco County, Louisiana. Hope he is happy ballin’ in heaven, where there is no shot clock and nobody ever misses a meal.

Yikes, I forgot about Vonleh. I would definitely put him in the rotation but I don’t like him at the 4 next to Mitchell or Kanter. Those lineups evoke Mike Woodson starting Kenyon Martin next to Tyson Chandler.

If we can’t get a combination of expiring contracts and 2nd round picks for Kanter, I’d just as well release him and let Vonleh back up Mitchell.

I read a comment the other day that Fiz was asked a question about playing faster and the lack of assists and he mentioned they don’t have the personnel right now. If you watch the offense they constantly run pick and rolls, dribble hand-offs and run guys like TH and now Knox off screens. When Kanter is in they post him alot. The problem is the only player on the team who can run a pick and roll to set up other players is Burke.

I agree with a lot of it, too, but I think it ignores the spacing issues Fiz creates with his defensive lineups. It’s not just that the point guards can’t make the passes. It’s that there are consistently 2 players on the court who can be sagged off of to clog the lanes. We started the year with it being Thomas and Kanter, now it’s primarily Vonleh and Mitch. And when you’re already a PG who teams know is unlikely to shoot (like Frank), this is all a recipe for disaster.

How about Modern NBA Offense #1? Use Knox or Hezonja at the 4 to spread the floor for a point guard (Burke or Frank) to run a pick and roll with Mitchell Robinson as the dive man and let everything run from there.

I’m all for Knox starting at the 4, that seemed to be the plan during preseason. Vonleh has shown a decent shot from 3pt range but he seems hesitant to shoot it alot.

Trier is allergic to passing.

I think Vonleh is a future starter for our team. I like his mobility on defense and ability to rebound, and his presence as a starter should put KP to play center full time. I like Mitchell Robinson as much as the next guy, but I’d bring him off the bench as long as he’s team controlled and when Vonleh becomes too expensive is when I’d promote him to the starting line up. I think, if the opportunity arises, the Knicks shouldn’t hesitate to trade guys like TH2 and Kevin Knox for a star level producer (or even for draft capital). Those two will likely always be high FGA types, and I’d rather our starting line up have a player or two that keeps their FGA under 12 because they’re busy fighting over screens and boxing out for 32 minutes a night.

I’m still giving Frank Ntilikina time, but my faith in him is waning. I see him in the Prigioni/Kidd/Billups shooting guard role long term, but he would need to first be a reliable shooter and in an offense that is P&R heavy in order for that role to exist. He’s already good at making the extra pass and playing good defense, but we need to see him develop into a smart and useful offensive player. My dream for him is a cross between Andre Roberson and Pablo Prigioni, but if that’s who he is to be long term, we’d absolutely need to get a dynamic point guard next to him, and I don’t know if that player is available.

Kanter doesn’t have a future as a New York Knick so we should just release him and let him go help out the Nets.

Rebuttal to bob:
My comment was in the context of our team having a terrible offense that has very little to do with coaching and a lot to do with the fact that we don’t have a point guard capable of running an offense. You never bothered to respond to that general point. But I’ll try clarifying what I meant, then maybe you can consider whether my point about our offense is valid.

Kanter: by “chucker” I mean that once he gets the ball, he’s looking to shoot, and only passes if absolutely necessary no matter how open other guys are. Are you seriously going to dispute that? His assist rate is lower than Hardaway’s, need I say more?

Mitch: other than dunking, what offensive skill does he have? He has a usage% of 9.8!!! That’s lower than any USG% ever posted by Tyson Chandler! Can you name a single player in the NBA that does what he does on offense but is not at least very good on defense? If he couldn’t block shots and defend the perimeter like he does, would he be in the NBA?

Trier: If he isn’t a chucker, I don’t know who is. His AST% is dwarfed by Kanter and Hardaway. Only 20% of his baskets are assisted.

Vonleh: his OBPM is -1.3 (terrible). His DBPM is 2.6 (very good.) He is on a minimum salary as it is. Would he be in the NBA without his D?

As to facts, it is a fact that we have the lowest rate of assisted baskets in the league. The reason? Well, in your world, it’s because we’re not running the high pick and roll with Frank and Mitch (coach’s fault.) In my world it’s because we have only one player who knows how to run an offense, and he’s being benched to accommodate PG minutes for Ntilikina and Mudiay. I don’t care since we’re tanking, but this is not rocket science…so long as Frank and Mudiay are initiating the offense, our offense will be bad no matter what the coach does.

I think he’s spent the majority of his coaching time on defense. I agree that it is a bit of a problem that the offense looks so poorly defined, but perhaps he thinks he can teach the offense easier later on and the defense side of thing is harder to get across?

I read a comment the other day that Fiz was asked a question about playing faster and the lack of assists and he mentioned they don’t have the personnel right now.

Yikes, I forgot about Vonleh. I would definitely put him in the rotation but I don’t like him at the 4 next to Mitchell or Kanter. Those lineups evoke Mike Woodson starting Kenyon Martin next to Tyson Chandler.

Three different quotes abovefrom this thread that have me thinking that Fizdale is building the offense he wants to run eventually, just not necessarily with this personnel. I haven’t been able to watch a lot of the games so far, but Vonleh has had a pretty sizable # of possessions in which he finds himself behind the 3 point line with the ball in the corner or below-the-break. He doesn’t shoot a lot of them and when he does, he misses a very large portion of the time. You know who might be able to shoot those at a high percentage? (rhymes with “smisgraps” and “morbingus”).

Re: Frank at PG – the value of Frank at PG is that he really IS a good defender at the point of attack. He has basically swallowed up and spit out Trae Young in both games this year (Trae shot 6/19 and 5/14 in those 2 games and 2/12 from 3P range, also barely got to the line). Kyle Lowry only managed to get 6 shots off in 27 minutes (he averages 13 shots per 36). Putting Frank at the point not only gives you a very good defender at the point of attack but allows you to play bigger/more versatile defenders on the wing. Frank just needs to be a wash on the offensive end to be a really valuable player.

I’ve been as optimistic on Frank as anyone, but it defintiely does not look great on offense so far. I still…

I hear that, but I like the 23 year old Noah Vonleh as our starter at power forward for the next 3-5 seasons. I think we should be planning to set this team up for the way we’re going to play when KP is back in the fold. Vonleh is a defender switchable 3-5 I think, he’s a good rebounder, and he’s efficient enough as a scorer that you can leave him out there through most situations. Right now he’s not a good fit with whoever the starting 1 and 5 will be, but those guys won’t be the starters long term. Vonleh does a lot of the things that don’t show up in a box score but allow you to win games because they directly effect one of the four factors. He sets good screens which leads to better scoring efficiency on a play-by-play basis. He boxes out which helps us rebound. He plays strong defense and is one of our better communicators defensively. I think that stuff matters more than spacing, and if he sticks around for some seasons who’s to say he won’t develop into a reliable enough three point shooter? I’d rather spend the developmental minutes on the guy whose a market inefficiency (guys who do what Noah Vonleh does haven’t gotten paid yet) rather than hope Hezonja and Knox develop into guys we’d eventually have to overpay to keep.

I’m really just in favor of trading all the high usage guys with no defensive potential. I understand your point about putting players in the types of line ups that would help them grow, but I don’t see Frank Ntilikina as a P&R style point guard, I see him as an extension-of-the-coach type two way shooting guard, and I don’t think consistently putting him in high ball screens will make him a better player.

R.I.P. Stan Lee…

wow, what a life…

So is Jamal Murray, in case anyone forgot.

Seems like just days ago that everyone was talking about how great this team was to watch and how Fiz was the coach of our dreams (for those keeping score at home, it was just days ago).

I think Fiz is fine for a developing team still. Wether he can lead the team deep into the playoffs(given that we have the talent) is yet to be seen.

So is Jamal Murray, in case anyone forgot

I have always felt cosmically interested in the careers of Saric, Murray, Hayward, Thomas, Noah, and Poeltl.

I have always felt cosmically interested in the careers of Saric, Murray, Hayward, Thomas, Noah, and Poeltl.

Don’t forget LaMarcus Aldridge.

What’s the average success rate for an NBA draft pick? Whatever it is, it’s like three times higher if he’s selected with one our picks. Even the late lottery picks like Hayward turn out to be home runs. Royce White is the only guy I can think of who was taken with one of our picks that bombed.

Frank looks terrible and has shown nothing new this year, and it’s sad that I still have more faith in him becoming a productive NBA player than 19 year old Kevin Knox.

Courtney Lee for Brandon Knight straight up also works.

Kanter: by “chucker” I mean that once he gets the ball, he’s looking to shoot, and only passes if absolutely necessary no matter how open other guys are. Are you seriously going to dispute that? His assist rate is lower than Hardaway’s, need I say more?

Kanter is at his career high .14 ast% and is averaging 3.9 assists per 48. An average C only has 1.7.

He’s probably not a keeper due his salary and non-existent defense, but I don’t think we can really complain about his O this season.

One person that Frank kind of reminds me of and who hasn’t been mentioned here, is Dante Exum. I don’t mean they are like each other stylistically (I’ve hardly ever seen Exum play), but they are both point guards who were drafted very young from a foreign league and are or were known for having an un-assertive style of play. Going by his advanced stats, Exum had a bad first year, didn’t play at all his second year (I think due to injury), was bad his third year also, but was decent his fourth year and now it’s his fifth year. Now he is the backup point guard on a very good team. So if Frank had Exum’s advanced stats in his fourth year, and was also a great defender and a tall player for his position, that would be a valuable player. But we may have to wait two years to get that. I am not sure most Knick fans are willing to do that; but I am certainly willing to wait at least another season.

@100 so you’re saying that if we’re patient, by Frank’s 5th year, he’ll be rocking a BPM of -2.7 in 16mpg?

sigh..

You can’t look at just one stat, you have to look at all of them. If you look at all the advanced stats in BR, Exum’s stats portray a roughly median player. Frank’s stats will be different, because he has different strengths, But the timeline could be similar. Exum’s stats took a big jump from his third to his fourth year. Frank could easily be on the same time line (although I hope he doesn’t lose a year to injury). We all want Frank to be great, and I still have hope that will happen, But getting a typical NBA player with the ninth pick in the draft is actually a normal result for a mid first round pick.

Markelle’s trade value just dropped below Courtney’s

ptmilo, what makes you say that?

Wierdly enough, we could trade Fultz for Lee straight up. For all his faults, Fultz would probably immediately be our best point guard. And Phillie would probably be a better team after the trade, But I think they would get so much heat for trading a young former number one pick, I don’t think they would do it.

That LeVert injury is just so sad.

Uh, isn’t this what tanking really looks like? Many of us here like to “talk the talk” about tanking. Now it is time to “walk the walk.”

By January, the starters should be Frank, Trier (those two can split time as the 1 and 2), Knox, Vonleh (I’d try to sign him to a cheap deal right now), and MitchRob. Play ’em each 30 minutes each as much as possible. Fiz, coach them up! Reps. Reps. Let the losses pile up. THJ sixth man b/c he has the long-term deal. Everyone else is trade bait or do not tender.

Wow, what a disaster for the Nets, and for Kenny A, who I really like. Get well soon, Caris!

Really sad about LeVert. No way I’m watching the video. The description gives me the shivers.

That “Players Only” game coverage on NBA TV is the worst idea ever. A bunch of ex-players watching the game and saying insightful things like “Ooooh, that was nasty!” and “Heat check baby!”

Just horrible.

^^^^so much this^^^^

pretty much need to mute…

Yeah, it’s really really dreadful. I guess at least it kinda helps drive the point that ex-players don’t necessarily understand the game or analyze it at a very deep level.

the Kings just beat the Spurs, 100 to 90. I think the Kings are for real. That could be us in a year or two.

I’m not sure either. Part of it may be their new coach. Part of it may just be young players getting better.

Is don’t follow college ball or know much about draft prospects outside of what people post here. But those folks here wishing for Shaivonte Gilgeous-Alexander at #9 are the people that I’d like to be in charge of drafting for the Knicks next year.

But those folks here wishing for Shaivonte Gilgeous-Alexander at #9 are the people that I’d like to be in charge of drafting for the Knicks next year.

Hello.

Fultz is pump faking free throws, we should totally trade for him. He belongs on the island of misfit toys.