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Wednesday, July 23, 2014

Podcast & Game Thread: Knicks vs. Bucks

Hey! So Brian Gibberman from The Knicks Wall was gracious enough to have me on for a fun lil’ afternoon podcast. Things we talked about: The book, the Knicks’ torrid run, our playoff prospects, the ’73 team (being honored tonight), how I’m really, really old. Things we didn’t talk about: Barbecue, favorite cough syrups, the Frankfurt School, the Donner Party, space.

Enjoy! Also, use this as your game thread. And be sure to stay tuned for a very special joint recap from Sir Kevin McElroy and myself later tonight. It will be a bittersweet treat.

109 comments on “Podcast & Game Thread: Knicks vs. Bucks

  1. maxwell_3g

    “Why would you double Sanders?”- Clyde Frazier, 04/05/13- Truer words have never been spoken

  2. BigBlueAL

    On a side note, at least Chandler is looking alot better. Nice to see him throw down an alley-oop dunk.

  3. mr.JayP

    well, atleast we have signs of good JR.

    its kind of perplexing how they are avoiding attacking the rim when they have clear looks.

  4. AnonymousODG

    BigBlueAL: Camby is out.Plantar fasciitis acting up again.

    Man… I like Thomas, Wallace and Camby a much as any other Knicks fan… but one of those guys has to go before we start these playoffs. This situation is just untenable.

  5. thenamestsam

    Sanders is fun to watch on D. Makes me nostalgic for what Chandler did last year.

  6. thenamestsam

    Douglas:
    Serious case of biscuit dough hands.

    Hey! That’s one of the 5 best offensive players in the NBA you’re talking about!

  7. BigBlueAL

    Havent had the opportunity to say this in awhile (thankfully) but this has been an embarrassing 1st half.

  8. maxwell_3g

    sometimes i think melo only wears the headband because he thinks that its physical evidence that he has been fouled and bolsters his complaints on no calls

  9. er

    maxwell_3g:
    sometimes i think melo only wears the headband because he thinks that its physical evidence that he has been fouled and bolsters his complaints on no calls

    Shiiiit it doesn’t work he got hit on his last two layups

  10. BigBlueAL

    thenamestsam: Miami?

    I didnt see the 1st half of that game lol. Plus I kinda expected a letdown vs a depleted Heat team. To come out tonight and play like this at home is tough to watch.

    I need Brian here to tell me the Knicks will still win this game lol.

  11. maxwell_3g

    its amazing when watching this, that all of this happened 40 years ago!!!! before I was born. and most of the die hards fans from back then are either really old or passed on…..time flies and life is short

  12. Nick C.

    Well at least the 72-73 ceremony was riveting. My childhood basketball cards come to life.

  13. GHenman

    Man that really took me back to my childhood. Who knew I’d be still waiting for another championship 40 years later. What a great team, I hope they can inspire this years group.

  14. maxwell_3g

    im really starting to love the melo overbite face. it worked for kobe. it worked for lequeen

  15. er

    So is it me or does Melos game just rise in April? Think about all 3 April’s on the Knicks he has been awesome

  16. Nick C.

    Damn!! Melo’s like a video game. That nine point deficit is almost reversed just like that.

  17. maxwell_3g

    basketball players are so soft. shot to the face and its like they have been shot. just lay on the ground indefinitely

  18. mr.JayP

    im kinda excited to see what the bucks will do against MIA. Its either gonna be a sweep or an interesting high scoring series.

  19. ephus

    It is more than reasonable to expect that the Knicks will score more points in the 3rd quarter than they did during the entire first half.

  20. thenamestsam

    mr.JayP:
    im kinda excited to see what the bucks will do against MIA. Its either gonna be a sweep or an interesting high scoring series.

    Oh it’s going to be a sweep. Maybe 5. This team is hot garbage.

  21. maxwell_3g

    the bucks dont have the peronal or the disciplie to take advantage of this ridiculous switching. unfortunately, the heat do. this still concerns me

  22. thenamestsam

    Also this quarter is awesome. Basketball is sooooooo much more fun when the ball is going in the hoop.

  23. ephus

    ephus:
    It is more than reasonable to expect that the Knicks will score more points in the 3rd quarter than they did during the entire first half.

    And with 3:00 to go in the 3rd quarter, they clear their total for the entire first half. JR Smith got an amazing shooters roll on that last 3.

  24. ephus

    d-mar:
    Goddamn Melo, volume shooting again

    LOL (for real). I imagine WOW will conclude that Tyson Chandler was the most important part of this game.

  25. thenamestsam

    maxwell_3g:
    the bucks dont have the peronal or the disciplie to take advantage of this ridiculous switching.unfortunately, the heat do.this still concerns me

    Couldn’t agree more with this. The biggest thing it opens up is 3PA. Montana has had plenty of wide open looks tonight. Fortunately the bucks guards can’t shoot a lick. Throw in Daniels and this is a fantastic matchup for us. I envy Miami.

  26. AnonymousODG

    Wow. I was just compelled to exclaim, “Good defense, Copeland!!!!” Great poise.

  27. ephus

    That Dunleavy 3 was the direct product of the Knicks sending the double to help Novak in the post. The irony is that Novak appeared to be holding his own.

  28. ephus

    maxwell_3g:
    “Why would you double Sanders?”-Clyde Frazier, 04/05/13-Truer words have never been spoken

    That goes double for Udoh. If he makes a strong post move, just live with it.

  29. AnonymousODG

    ephus:
    That Dunleavy 3 was the direct product of the Knicks sending the double to help Novak in the post.The irony is that Novak appeared to be holding his own.

    You’ve touched on something I’ve hated about their defense lately: lack of trust. The fatal flaw in this, is that Woodson is definitely encouraging more double-teaming, not less. When you double-team unnecessarily, it encourages good ball movement by the other team and leads to wide-open looks. All at the cost of playing harder on defense (which is like a one-two combo of woe).

    At the same time, during the playoffs, this problem will be less pronounced, simply by virtue of the fact that we are inevitably playing far better lineups and bonified superstars.

  30. hegotgame

    my God. What a ridiculous 3rd quarter. I remember making a silent wish that The Pearl’s little speech at halftime would spur the knicks to a great performance but never expected this. What great timing. I think that our knicks seeing the full championship team, 40 years later, all together, all proud and forever respected by New York has really inspired the team and showed them what they were really fighting for and what a chip really means.

    Lets hope the effort, the ball-movement, the focus is consistent, because we need to fine-tune that now so we’re in full flow for the play-offs.

    Can’t really describe how happy I was watching that 3rd quarter.

  31. BigBlueAL

    ephus: That goes double for Udoh.If he makes a strong post move, just live with it.

    Especially when you lead by double digits in the 4th and the one thing you should want to avoid is allowing 3pters.

  32. maxwell_3g

    AnonymousODG: You’ve touched on something I’ve hated about their defense lately: lack of trust.The fatal flaw in this, is that Woodson is definitely encouraging more double-teaming, not less.When you double-team unnecessarily, it encourages good ball movement by the other team and leads to wide-open looks.All at the cost of playing harder on defense (which is like a one-two combo of woe).

    At the same time, during the playoffs, this problem will be less pronounced, simply by virtue of the fact that we are inevitably playing far better lineups and bonified superstars.

    also, in the playoffs, the contant doubling leads to “cheap” unaccounted for points from players that should not be scoring. i can see lucas from the bulls scoring 20 on us one game because of this. or keith bogans. or even battier. its those 15-20 point contibutions out of non factors that sway series, and it starts with stupid double teaming and defensive rotations

  33. mr.JayP

    maxwell_3g: also, in the playoffs, the contant doubling leads to “cheap” unaccounted for points from players that should not be scoring.i can see lucas from the bulls scoring 20 on us one game because of this.or keith bogans.or even battier.its those 15-20 point contibutions out of non factors that sway series, and it starts with stupid double teaming and defensive rotations

    nothing irks me more then when players that aren’t primary scores are dropping buckets on us.

  34. BigBlueAL

    Atlanta lost at home to Philly. Too bad Boston is losing at home to the freaking Cavs.

  35. AnonymousODG

    maxwell_3g: also, in the playoffs, the contant doubling leads to “cheap” unaccounted for points from players that should not be scoring.i can see lucas from the bulls scoring 20 on us one game because of this.or keith bogans.or even battier.its those 15-20 point contibutions out of non factors that sway series, and it starts with stupid double teaming and defensive rotations

    Agreed completely. If Battier and/or Allen get super-hot, there’s little chance for victory. Although, Novak and/or Kidd getting super-hot is the same thing. The problem, as I’m sure we all agree on… is that the latter happens far less than the former.

  36. ephus

    maxwell_3g:
    its the fact that the bucks suck that is preserving our lead more than anything

    Um, I think #7 has had a fair bit to do with it.

  37. ephus

    That last defensive rebound by Kidd epitomizes what he brings to the team.

    And ‘Melo’s third straight 40 point effort should quiet the haters. Someplace Ruruland is smiling.

  38. AnonymousODG

    BigBlueAL:
    Atlanta lost at home to Philly.Too bad Boston is losing at home to the freaking Cavs.

    Stupid ATL. We want them to stay above CHI and BOS and avoid getting curbstomped by IND in the first round.

    And Melo is just doing his thang. So strong, so good.

  39. hegotgame

    What an excellent close out after a shaky start to the quarter. Killer Buckets by Melo, excellent defensive effort from the team. So amazing to watch :)

  40. BigBlueAL

    41 pts on 17 for 28 with 14 rebs. But only 1 ast and 0 stls so he shouldnt get a grade higher than a B-/C+.

  41. hegotgame

    BigBlueAL:
    41 pts on 17 for 28 with 14 rebs.But only 1 ast and 0 stls so he shouldnt get a grade higher than a B-/C+.

    lol. so true.

  42. d-mar

    I guess Boston really really wants to face us in the playoffs, losing at home to the Cavs tonight. Doc Rivers master plan I guess.

  43. hegotgame

    Dunno if anyone watched the post game on MSG but I was really pleased to hear Earl talking about fill jackson gushing over the knicks and how well they are playing. Amazing. I wonder how this team would look with Phil coaching (although I do really appreciate the job mike’s done. a bit maddening at times but he has really produced for us ever since he took over)

  44. Z-man

    Gave me chills seeing the 72-73 team honored. My childhood revolved around the two championship teams, especially Willis Reed. Glad we got a resounding win for those guys.

  45. WeirdJohn

    ruruland:
    Still nothing on the mothership for Melo’s third straight 40 point game.

    Usually I’m not surprised by this kind of thing, but this is incredible.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/

    Come on man. Three 40+ games is impressive, but not nearly as impressive as the Heat beating a dangerous Bobcats team with no Wade, LeBron, or Allen. I mean that is hard to believe.

    In all seriousness, this team is playing some great ball right now. I agree with d-mar that I wish the playoffs started now. I’m pretty confident that they will still be playing this well when they do start though. I’m not sure how you defend this team when both JR and Melo are playing at this high of a level.

  46. Will the Thrill

    It amazes me how much credit Rasheed gets for doing basically nothing. Do people really believe that just his presence on the bench is making the team better? Al Trautwig apparently does.

  47. johnlocke

    Melo and JR in that third quarter were inspired. What troubles me is the inconsistent offensive contribution from our guards not named JR and Felton. Shump had zero points tonight. Our 4 guards not named JR scored a collective 16 pts in 78 mins. Against good teams we will need at least one of Kidd, Prigs and Shump to contribute offensively

  48. mr.JayP

    johnlocke:
    Melo and JR in that third quarter were inspired. What troubles me is the inconsistent offensive contribution from our guards not named JR and Felton. Shump had zero points tonight. Our 4 guards not named JR scored a collective16 pts in 78 mins. Against good teams we will need at least one of Kidd, Prigs and Shump to contribute offensively

    Shump had a bad game. He missed open 3pt shots and drives to the lane. If half those shots were to fall. it would have been a different 1st half.

    Prigs on the other hand just has to be more aggressive with his shot. on more than 1 occasion in the first half he had wide open looks and just decided to pass it to someone else for a contested shot. smh, woodson cant let that slide

  49. ruruland

    Good news Knicks fans: Phil has faith.

    Phil Jackson said on Friday that the red-hot Knicks had a chance to “challenge” for an NBA title.

    “I think they’ve come a long way in the last two and half weeks. … They’re starting to make a run,” said Jackson, who wore his 1995-96 championship ring to the ceremony. “I think they’re going to challenge. There’s a hope in this town that maybe they can surprise some people [and] win this year.”

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/40393/phil-knicks-can-challenge-for-a-title

  50. ruruland

    mr.JayP: Shump had a bad game. He missed open 3pt shots and drives to the lane. If half those shots were to fall. it would have been a different 1st half.

    Prigs on the other hand just has to be more aggressive with his shot. on more than 1 occasion in the first half he had wide open looks and just decided to pass it to someone else for a contested shot. smh, woodson cant let that slide

    You’re going to get inconsistent play from guys who are spot-up shooters and opportunity drivers.

    Amar’e is the consistent third (second) scorer the Knicks need in the playoffs.

  51. mr.JayP

    ruruland: You’re going to get inconsistent play from guys who are spot-up shooters and opportunity drivers.

    Amar’e is the consistent third (second) scorer the Knicks need in the playoffs.

    truth x 100. Shump Shump just has to stay aggressive, but prigs not taking open looks is inexcusable.

    When is amare scheduled to return?

  52. WeirdJohn

    johnlocke:
    Yeh that was awesome! Hopefully we can avoid the same.

    I think we can take OKC. We came within 1 point of beating them last time and that was without Melo. Granted that was in NY, but OKC just killed Indiana in Indy by 22.

    I really believe New York is a better team than Indy.

    OKC is the biggest challenge over the last 7 games by a wide margin. If the Knicks beat the Thunder what do people here think our chances are of running the table?

  53. ruruland

    WeirdJohn: I think we can take OKC.We came within 1 point of beating them last time and that was without Melo.Granted that was in NY, but OKC just killed Indiana in Indy by 22.

    I really believe New York is a better team than Indy.

    OKC is the biggest challenge over the last 7 games by a wide margin.If the Knicks beat the Thunder what do people here think our chances are of running the table?

    OKC is a different beast there. Crowd is on top of you, they get every call, they run more.

    Seriously have to play near perfect to win there.

  54. ruruland

    mr.JayP: truth x 100. Shump Shump just has to stay aggressive, but prigs not taking open looks is inexcusable.

    When is amare scheduled to return?

    I think he can be impact by second round. Play him in second part of first round maybe 10-15 minutes depending on need. Have him peaking for Heat. Can’t beat them without Amar’e at his best.

  55. AnonymousODG

    ruruland: You’re going to get inconsistent play from guys who are spot-up shooters and opportunity drivers.

    Amar’e is the consistent third (second) scorer the Knicks need in the playoffs.

    I love Amare as much as any Knicks fan. But I think the key in the playoffs is getting good games from JR and Felton. And I don’t mean 4th quarter scoring spurts that somehow make up for three miserable quarters. They need good games from beginning to end, especially on defense.

    I thinkAmare and Wallace are utility minutes when Melo/JR/Felton are in foul trouble. Which will happen, mind you (not trying to downplay them completely). But they shouldn’t be go-to guys with the amount of time off they’ve had. Furthermore, you’re just endangering their careers by forcing the issue. Knicks can be quite strong next year too, so long as we avoid a season rife with injuries like this year’s. There’s value in protecting that.

    Bottom-line, we aren’t getting far without good games from Felton. Amare scoring 15 isn’t going to cover up poor Felton play.

  56. WeirdJohn

    ruruland: OKC is a different beast there. Crowd is on top of you, they get every call, they run more.

    Seriously have to play near perfect to win there.

    I get you. It would be awesome if they pulled it off.

  57. ruruland

    AnonymousODG: I love Amare as much as any Knicks fan.But I think the key in the playoffs is getting good games from JR and Felton.And I don’t mean 4th quarter scoring spurts that somehow make up for three miserable quarters.They need good games from beginning to end, especially on defense.

    I thinkAmare and Wallace are utility minutes when Melo/JR/Felton are in foul trouble.Which will happen, mind you (not trying to downplay them completely).But they shouldn’t be go-to guys with the amount of time off they’ve had.Furthermore, you’re just endangering their careers by forcing the issue.Knicks can be quite strong next year too, so long as we avoid a season rife with injuries like this year’s.There’s value in protecting that.

    Bottom-line, we aren’t getting far without good games from Felton.Amare scoring 15 isn’t going to cover up poor Felton play.

    Yeah, I think teams are going to do their best to force Felton and Shumpert to make shots, which will probably cost the Knicks a game or two. Just how the playoffs work.

    Those losses will expose the need for a true third scoring option. I think Amar’e has been waiting for that kind of moment/opportunity for close to three years. I think he has a chance to be amazing, especially if the Knicks are riding real playoff momentum (which is so much fun to watch and be a part of).

  58. mr.JayP

    AnonymousODG: I love Amare as much as any Knicks fan.But I think the key in the playoffs is getting good games from JR and Felton.And I don’t mean 4th quarter scoring spurts that somehow make up for three miserable quarters.They need good games from beginning to end, especially on defense.

    I thinkAmare and Wallace are utility minutes when Melo/JR/Felton are in foul trouble.Which will happen, mind you (not trying to downplay them completely).But they shouldn’t be go-to guys with the amount of time off they’ve had.Furthermore, you’re just endangering their careers by forcing the issue.Knicks can be quite strong next year too, so long as we avoid a season rife with injuries like this year’s.There’s value in protecting that.

    Bottom-line, we aren’t getting far without good games from Felton.Amare scoring 15 isn’t going to cover up poor Felton play.

    Speaking of next year. Either Sheed, Kurt or Camby has to go next season.

    Not having a consistent young big def. hurt us this year. i wouldnt mind picking up a healthy rookie to play back up and have the vets teach’em the ropes. Heck i wanted gruns to do that this year.

  59. jon abbey

    they basically won that game with a five minute stretch of insane ball, 25-2 run starting with the Melo drive where he fumbled the ball, recovered, took it right through Sanders for the three point play and ending with the JR Smith three that bounced around before falling through. 23 points combined in that stretch from Melo/JR on 9-9 shooting, just insane. I was laughing out loud after a while, I had to go back and watch it a second time.

    Dolan needs to pay Earl Monroe to pump up the crowd at halftime every game, maybe him and Clyde could just tell stories over the PA.

  60. AnonymousODG

    ruruland: Yeah, I think teams are going to do their best to force Felton and Shumpert to make shots, which will probably cost the Knicks a game or two. Just how the playoffs work.

    Those losses will expose the need for a true third scoring option.

    This is kind of my point. Felton HAS to be that third scoring option (indeed, as a PG you need to lead your offense). If, through three quarters of play, Felton ends up with a line of: 5 pts (on 2/9 shooting), 4 ASTs, 3 TOs…

    … then STAT chipping in with 15 pts (on 6/9 shooting), 4 REBs, and 3 PFs isn’t going to balance it out. Felton HAS to play well otherwise we lose to the better teams in the playoffs. I’m not trying to marginalize how good Amare can be, but we can’t underestimate just how much rides on Felton. Sobering, yes. But I think it’s true and something to watch out for as we gear up for the playoffs.

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