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Wednesday, July 30, 2014

Playoff Game Thread

I’ll once again try the Wild Wing Cafe for the games. I have not returned since the Knicks were basically 10-run-ruled for college softball. (I will pass on the fish tacos this time. Sometimes, I really wish I liked wings.)

The Hawks at Bulls tips at 8 and the Mavs at Lakers tips at 10:30.

68 comments on “Playoff Game Thread

  1. BigBlueAL

    I know there have been some great playoff games this year already but I find myself not enjoying them as much. The last few years they were fun to watch cause the Knicks sucked so I just enjoyed good basketball w/o comparing them to the Knicks but watching a team like Memphis, who the Melo Knicks beat twice, playing well and getting all this praise now frustrates me.

    I mean look at the East 4 teams remaining, Im still not convinced the Bulls are that great and the Melo Knicks won at Atlanta and Miami. Hell I still take some solace that the Knicks shoudlve won both games in Boston in the playoffs. As I mentioned above the Melo Knicks beat Memphis twice. I know many here still think this Knicks team has no future but watching the remaining teams in the playoffs Im not so sure the Knicks are that far away.

    Just sucks that once the Melo Knicks looked like they started figuring it out and were on a roll the regular season ended. Feels like the NBA season just started not long ago yet the Knicks season is over already.

    Ah well, at least I still have my Yankees…..

  2. Brian Cronin

    Yeah, match-ups are crazy like that. Had the Sixers been the #6 seed, they might have beaten the Celtics. Had the Hornets been the #8 seed, they likely WOULD have beaten the Spurs. Had the Nuggets been #6, #7 or #8, their playoffs might still be going on. Had the Celtics been the #4 seed, they might be home right now.

  3. Robert Silverman

    Jaysus! Sweets has seriously packed on the poundage.

    Sad, actually. I toed the stat-head line that Michael Sweetney could be a very good PF if given the PT. Guess it’s hard to calculate/quantify the potential effect(s) of, “I brush my teeth with fudge.”

  4. latke

    I never understood the letdown thing when you’re an underdog and you steal game one. I understand it when you’re the favorites. You can start to think you’re good enough to coast. If I was in that situation, I’d be even more hyped for game two because of how crushing a blow winning the first two on the road is. yet here the Hawks are, getting beat to just about every lose ball.

  5. Owen

    It’s absurd how much happiness I am getting from watching the Lakers lose twice at home…

  6. njasdjdh

    Owen:
    It’s absurd how much happiness I am getting from watching the Lakers lose twice at home…

    THIS. THIS. THIS. THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS!!!!!

  7. latke

    it’s funny how there are no fast paced teams left. OKC has the fastest pace — 13th overall. IMO it gives Dallas the biggest advantage. They’re slow footed on defense all around. Maybe this is there year. I wouldn’t mind. I don’t think the Bulls are good, but they do match up well with Dallas (lots of bigs to throw at nowitzki and a generally solid gameplan against isolations). Hopefully that’s not the finals, as the bulls are the last team I want to see as champs.

  8. BigBlueAL

    latke:
    it’s funny how there are no fast paced teams left. OKC has the fastest pace — 13th overall. IMO it gives Dallas the biggest advantage. They’re slow footed on defense all around. Maybe this is there year. I wouldn’t mind. I don’t think the Bulls are good, but they do match up well with Dallas (lots of bigs to throw at nowitzki and a generally solid gameplan against isolations). Hopefully that’s not the finals, as the bulls are the last team I want to see as champs.

    Bulls have no chance against the Heat.

  9. Brian Cronin

    The Mavericks probably match up pretty well against the Heat. Barea would give the Heat fits.

  10. Jafa

    Brian Cronin:
    The Mavericks probably match up pretty well against the Heat. Barea would give the Heat fits.

    That’s what everyone kept saying Rondo would do. Still waiting to see that.

  11. Jafa

    BigBlueAL:
    So, are we headed for a 2006 Finals rematch??

    If this happens, I see the same outcome repeating itself with Wade destroying the Mavs again.

  12. New Guy

    Jafa: If this happens, I see the same outcome repeating itself with Wade destroying the Mavs again.

    Substitute “the refs” for “Wade” and I agree.

  13. Brian Cronin

    That’s what everyone kept saying Rondo would do. Still waiting to see that.

    Oh, agreed, Rondo playing poorly is a huge factor in Boston getting their asses kicked. But watching the games, it doesn’t seem like Miami is playing some awesome defense on him – he just isn’t playing well. In addition, Barea can hit the outside shot, so you can’t play off of him like you can Rondo (of course, he isn’t nearly the playmaker or defender Rondo is).

  14. Brian Cronin

    How the heck were Melo and Amar’e doing appearances on TV shows without the GM’s knowledge? I’m sure he would have approved it all, but the idea that he’s not even told beforehand sounds wonky.

  15. Frank O.

    I believe the Knicks next season will make a trade, using Billups’ expiring contract to land Chris Paul at or before the trade deadline.
    You would need to throw in some minor pieces to make the numbers work. Billups makes more than $14 mil next year and Paul with get more than $17 mil.
    But when NO realizes he’s going to go, the Carmelo rules comes into play. Get what you can for him. Now, if he narrow’s NO to considering just the Knicks, it could be interesting.
    If not, the Knicks may not have the pieces to land him in a trade.

    A lot depends on Paul.
    I think he’ll be a Knick, however.

  16. Jafa

    So Frank O,

    Assuming your dream scenario comes true and Paul not only says he won’t be back with NOLA, but says he wants to go and play with STAT and Melo, how confident are you that our wacky owner won’t jump in and take over trade negotiations, thereby giving NOLA all our first round picks for the next 20 years?

  17. Brian Cronin

    That’s why the league has rules on: A. how many draft picks in a row you can trade and B. how far in advance you can trade a draft pick.

  18. Frank

    Jafa:
    So Frank O,

    Assuming your dream scenario comes true and Paul not only says he won’t be back with NOLA, but says he wants to go and play with STAT and Melo, how confident are you that our wacky owner won’t jump in and take over trade negotiations, thereby giving NOLA all our first round picks for the next 20 years?

    Finally, a silver lining to the slobbery awful negotiating we did in the Melo trade! We have nothing left to give other than the Billups/Fields/TD pupu platter, so no matter how hard we try you can’t take advantage of us!!

  19. BigBlueAL

    Best part was Isola going crazy on Twitter today about Berman’s article, even calling him Dolan’s hand-picked media tool. Also wont stop obsessing about Knicks cutting Corey Brewer.

    He might have overtaken Berman as the most pathetic Knick beat writer.

  20. Brian Cronin

    Finally, a silver lining to the slobbery awful negotiating we did in the Melo trade! We have nothing left to give other than the Billups/Fields/TD pupu platter, so no matter how hard we try you can’t take advantage of us!!

    Ha! Too true.

  21. Brian Cronin

    Best part was Isola going crazy on Twitter today about Berman’s article, even calling him Dolan’s hand-picked media tool. Also wont stop obsessing about Knicks cutting Corey Brewer.

    He might have overtaken Berman as the most pathetic Knick beat writer.

    It is tough – they’re both soooo bad.

  22. BigBlueAL

    Brian Cronin: It is tough – they’re both soooo bad.

    You are right, they are both neck and neck in the most pathetic Knick beat writer category. Its amazing what a difference it is following the Yankee beat writers compared to the Knick beat writers.

  23. Brian Cronin

    By the way, I’m torn on the Corey Brewer thing. On the one hand, it was definitely inept management to pick up a player to trade without having any confirmation that, you know, anyone wanted to trade for him. However, had the T-Wolves not dealt him, they likely were going to cut him, too! So it’s not like this was some super hot commodity. No one wanted to trade for him! Teams were happy to take him for free, and Dallas was even happy to lock him up long term for very little money (and when you’re Dallas, anything under the Mid-Level is “very little money”), but no one was banging down the doors for this guy. And he went to Dallas and has promptly not played for them! He played less than four minutes combined in the Portland series! He only played in two of the six games! Then he has a good 8 minute stint in the first game of the Laker series and then promptly doesn’t play in Game 2. This is not some stud here.

    But yes, the Knicks had to do a better job than to pick up a guy like Brewer without a real idea of what to do with him.

  24. Frank

    So Chad Ford has us picking up Markieff Morris in his mock draft. I’ve rarely seen him play, but his per-40 stats are pretty awesome:

    22.7points, 13.7 rebounds, 1.9 blocks, 2.3 assists, 1.3 steals
    Efficiency stats – TS 64%

    Shot 62.5% from 2 point range, 42.4 from college 3 (on 2.5 attempts per 40).

    I think I could be quite happy with that pick.

  25. Frank O.

    Jafa:
    So Frank O,

    Assuming your dream scenario comes true and Paul not only says he won’t be back with NOLA, but says he wants to go and play with STAT and Melo, how confident are you that our wacky owner won’t jump in and take over trade negotiations, thereby giving NOLA all our first round picks for the next 20 years?

    I can’t guarantee crazy won’t be crazy.:)
    But it appears it wasn’t Dolan jumping in.
    Looks like he was in at the start along with Walsh and D’Antoni and they as a group made the Melo trade.
    The actions by Dolan to separate himself from Thomas, if you believed the news reports this morning, indicates that he was working closely with his team leadership and Isiah had little to do with Carmelo.
    I’m fairly convinced at this point that all three top Knick leaders felt the Melo trade needed to get done.
    To be honest, IMHO, Carmelo showed himself to be a pretty special player down the stretch. He also may be a main reason why Paul would consider coming to the Knicks.
    If Dolan signs Walsh to a couple more years and strengthens the team with a good defensive coach, I’m going to step out on a limb and say he may be learning a bit about running an organization or at least listening to good basketball people.
    But jury is still out.
    No guarantee; they could boot this.

    But to be honest, if the Knicks can land Paul, he’d be a guy that you’d say was worth giving up a few picks to get.
    Still think he’s the best point guard in the sport.
    We’ve had some good round two picks lately…who knows?

  26. Frank O.

    BigBlueAL:
    Best part was Isola going crazy on Twitter today about Berman’s article, even calling him Dolan’s hand-picked media tool.Also wont stop obsessing about Knicks cutting Corey Brewer.

    He might have overtaken Berman as the most pathetic Knick beat writer.

    Might?
    Berman occasionally gets something right. Occasionally.
    Isola sucks.

  27. Brian Cronin

    Looks like he was in at the start along with Walsh and D’Antoni and they as a group made the Melo trade.

    I have no doubt that he was in it from the beginning, but I don’t see where you’re getting that he didn’t take control of the trade and send it toward “oh my god, we’re giving up way too much” ville. Whether Isiah was advising him or not, it was evident at the time that Dolan took control of the deal personally at one point, when D’Antoni and Walsh were disagreeing about how much to give up. Remember, Dolan started having one-on-one meetings by himself and that’s when the deal got locked down.

  28. Frank O.

    I don’t think Dolan was acting alone, Brian.
    Walsh said later he was in constant contact with Dolan throughout his one on one. I believe Walsh wouldn’t lie about that to save face.
    I didn’t get a sense he was sidelined.
    I see that as a conspiracy theory. Maybe you have better information than me.

    I have to say, as incompetent as Dolan has been over the years, I don’t believe he was trying to screw the team up.
    Geez, I’m not trying to be a Dolan apologist.
    I guess what I’m saying is, so far, the Melo trade seems to be looking pretty good.
    His passing has been solid. His effort has been great. His defense has been surprising and his 3pt shooting was a revelation.
    I felt they gave up more than they should have, but now that the deal is done, I can see a cup half full.
    I don’t think the Knicks 1.0 would have gone any deeper in the playoffs.

  29. BigBlueAL

    Frank O.: Might?
    Berman occasionally gets something right. Occasionally.
    Isola sucks.

    Problem is Isola sounds like a bitter Knicks fan. I mean I LOVED the Riley/JVG Knicks as much as anybody but Ive moved on from them and realize its an entirely different NBA now. But MY GOD all Isola tweets about are those teams/players and he just mocks everything about the current Knicks in comparison.

    Hell Berman wrote that horrible blog entry about building around Z-bo but Isola on Twitter constantly reminds everybody about former Knicks still in the players in Z-bo, Jamal, Kurth Thomas and Thibs. Lord knows he has ranted about how Thibs should be the Knicks coach right now.

    Twitter has been the worst thing that has happened to Isola. Berman still actually writes horrible articles with horrible opinions way more often than Isola does but Isola’s tweets on Twitter are beyond idiotic. Isola though still gets alot of air-time on NBATV and occasionally on ESPN where as I never see Berman on national TV doing interviews about the Knicks.

  30. Frank

    BigBlueAL:

    Twitter has been the worst thing that has happened to Isola.Berman still actually writes horrible articles with horrible opinions way more often than Isola does but Isola’s tweets on Twitter are beyond idiotic.

    Yeah – I unfollowed Isola a long time ago. There should be some sense of professionalism even in the twitter-world when you are representing a newspaper, and Isola crosses that line 90% of the time with his stupid rants. That’s why my favorite beat writers are Hahn and Beck – they have opinions but at least couch them in ways that are not so annoying.

  31. Brian Cronin

    I felt they gave up more than they should have

    does not fit

    the Melo trade seems to be looking pretty good.

    If they gave up more than they should have (and I concur with that thinking) then I don’t think it is a good trade, no matter if Melo played well (which he certainly did).

    That said, I also concur with the view that if this trade gets the Knicks Paul, it was all worth it, so I’m certainly optimistic that the Knicks feel that they can acquire Paul.

  32. Brian Cronin

    Yeah – I unfollowed Isola a long time ago. There should be some sense of professionalism even in the twitter-world when you are representing a newspaper, and Isola crosses that line 90% of the time with his stupid rants. That’s why my favorite beat writers are Hahn and Beck – they have opinions but at least couch them in ways that are not so annoying.

    Yeah, Hahn and Beck are so much more professional than the other two. They get into these ridiculous, like, feuds with people. It is just so childish and unprofessional.

    Isola was actually vaguely good on Simmons’ podcast, though (shockingly).

  33. Frank O.

    Brian Cronin: does not fit

    If they gave up more than they should have (and I concur with that thinking) then Idon’t think it is a good trade, no matter if Melo played well (which he certainly did).

    You still watching black and white TV? :)
    I don’t think those views are mutually exclusive.
    I like what we have. Maybe we could have gotten him for one player less.
    I’m comfortable with that.
    It’s a clear cut win if we get Paul too.
    I know there are those who are concerned about his health, but the first year after knee surgery is usually a little off. It’s the next year that will show how he recovered.
    And if this year was off for him, God smite us with a point guard who has off years like that. :)

  34. Brian Cronin

    I like what we have.

    I think what the Knicks had outweighs what they have now, despite Melo’s strong play.

    Except, of course, if the Knicks get Paul. That’s the wild card in all of this, and until that’s settled, I can’t really judge the trade too harshly. If they get Paul, what the Knicks have now would outweigh what they had.

  35. Frank O.

    Brian Cronin: I think what the Knicks had outweighs what they have now, despite Melo’s strong play.

    Except, of course, if the Knicks get Paul. That’s the wild card in all of this, and until that’s settled, I can’t really judge the trade too harshly. If they get Paul, what the Knicks have now would outweigh what they had.

    I respect that view. My wife would agree that she liked what we had. :)
    Although, I suspect she enjoyed a little crush on Gallo, to go along with her crush on Amare. :)

  36. cgreene

    Why would Donnie agree to stay if he thinks the team is too handcuffed to get to elite level? Why would he stay if he hates Dolan and lost control? Ego? One last shot at glory even though the odds aren’t good? Doesn’t seem like it fits his personality. I think he thinks that he can field a title contending team in the next 2 years. And I think there is a possibility that’s true. The only team that we might not be able to compete with for the next 5 years is the Heat and if they reach full potential then no one will.

    Bottom line is that there is always more flexibility and more scenarios than we think there are. There are 3 major factors that control our fate. (1) Amare’s health. Does having Melo take enough burden off him that his body doesn’t break down as fast. (2) Melo making small efficiency improvements including maintaining his 3 pt shooting as a Knick and better passing along with better D. (3) The CBA. If any of those factors go dramatically against us then we could be in for 5 years of 2nd rd exits. The thing about the CBA is that if it’s bad for us then it’s bad for all the good teams.

  37. ess-dog

    BigBlueAL:

    He might have overtaken Berman as the most pathetic Knick beat writer.

    It’s like you were reading my mind when you wrote this.

  38. citizen

    Frank: Finally, a silver lining to the slobbery awful negotiating we did in the Melo trade!We have nothing left to give other than the Billups/Fields/TD pupu platter, so no matter how hard we try you can’t take advantage of us!!

    Horror scenario (half in jest):
    Knicks draft Faried, who becomes second coming of Dennis Rodman. Fields perfects 3 pointer, figures out how to draw contact like Gallo while maintaining his efficiency. Trade Billups/Fields/TD/Faried for Paul, only to see him and Stat blow out their knees halfway through 2012-13. We’re stuck with Melo, 2 max-contract cripples, and fodder for years.

    Hopefully this happens except the knees don’t go…then it would be awesome

  39. tenebrous

    It’s a good thing the heat r up 2-0. Let’s Boston know this basketball game is not that easy.

  40. tenebrous

    citizen: Horror scenario (half in jest):
    Knicks draft Faried, who becomes second coming of Dennis Rodman. Fields perfects 3 pointer, figures out how to draw contact like Gallo while maintaining his efficiency. Trade Billups/Fields/TD/Faried for Paul, only to see him and Stat blow out their knees halfway through 2012-13. We’re stuck with Melo, 2 max-contract cripples, and fodder for years.

    Hopefully this happens except the knees don’t go…then it would be awesome

    Truth and sadness are made from the same cloth.

  41. tenebrous

    If no Paul and no Howard we still have a possibility of getting some major (MAJOR) help for the nyc3. Like, 7′ers, fried or some rebounding/blocking talents and the possibility of our guys getting better etc. All that would work only and if Walch gets his wanted title and MDA figures a way to believe in the bench and beyond roster and figures a way to play nyc3 no more than 20 min each.

  42. tenebrous

    For that alone people should be wanting to come here for playing time alone.

  43. tenebrous

    I would not mind watching Altanta Menphis in the finals. Rather that than Mia/celts/chi Dallas/lakers/okc. Actually Atalnta/okc might also be sweet.

  44. tenebrous

    Don’t kill me on this one but how about r lopaz and gortat for say Shawnee W and TD/______?

  45. tenebrous

    tenebrous:
    Don’t kill me on this one but how about r lopaz and gortat for say Shawnee W and TD/______?

    MDA just texted me and his quote is: “they don’t play offense and hence not on my clock.” my reply was: “ok MDA, granted, now stern and the player unions are eating for your proposal?”

  46. tenebrous

    cgreene:
    tenebrous is Ted Nelson’s practical joke

    If u don’t mind taking a moment out of your busy nanosecond, which Ted Nelson r u salivating over

  47. Doug

    tenebrous

    te ne brous

    ted nelson

    Why didn’t I see this earlier? Ted Nelson has been leaving clues to his secret alter ego all this time! But if the first four letters reveal his identity… that leaves the question what do the remaining letters “b-r-o-u-s” mean.

    I’ll venture a guess. The message Ted Nelson leaves for all of us is:

    TENEBROUS: Ted Nelson’s Blogging Revenge on U Suckers

  48. Nick C.

    @ 57 That was the wierdest article. Not that I side with Stephons’s BFF but … chris Paul was in Miami, no one can say that Dolan, Isaiah and Paul didn’t meet, and then the months old news about Dolan’s “Isiah is a friend” speech, sending Isiah to cleveland, and then forcing Walsh to thank Isiah for recruiting Amare (when Amare later denied ever speaking with Isiah). WTF. Not a shred of anything new or even vaguely fact based. He might as well have written the ingredient list from his breakfast food for all the insight and information he the paid professional NBA reporter provided.

  49. BigBlueAL

    Nick C.:
    @ 57 That was the wierdest article.Not that I side with Stephons’s BFF but … chris Paul was in Miami, no one can say that Dolan, Isaiah and Paul didn’t meet, and then the months old news about Dolan’s “Isiah is a friend” speech, sending Isiah to cleveland, and then forcing Walsh to thank Isiah for recruiting Amare (when Amare later denied ever speaking with Isiah).WTF.Not a shred of anything new or even vaguely fact based. He might as well have written the ingredient list from his breakfast food for all the insight and information he the paid professional NBA reporter provided.

    The one thing that gives me hope that Berman is right is the Melo press conference. That was the first time ever that Dolan actually went out of his way to NOT give Isiah credit for something. When all the rumors before the trade started that Isiah and Dolan was spearheading everything Isiah was more than happy to conduct interviews and always playing coy as usual about his involvement yet since that press conference he has been very quiet.

    We know Dolan is obsessed with controlling what is told to the media by his employees and maybe he did finally grow a bit tired of Isiah’s act. Since the trade was done there have been rumors about Isiah possibly eventually getting a job with the Pistons or a college job back in his original hometown of Chicago. The only person who is still all over the Isiah crap with the Knicks is Isola. Isiah has become to Isola what Marbury is to Berman.

  50. d-mar

    tenebrous: MDA just texted me and his quote is: “they don’t play offense and hence not on my clock.” my reply was: “ok MDA, granted, now stern and the player unions are eating for your proposal?”

    Is this a first for K’Blogger, a poster responding to himself?

  51. tenebrous

    cgreene and doug … Ted Nelson just replied: “hypertext and the web r nice inventions but they r nothing without the blogging community. Furthure, I give all my credit to two wonderful bloggers: cgreene and doug of knickerblogger.net.”

  52. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Tenebrous,

    Can you write all of your posts in various poetic styles? I’m thinking sonnets, haiku, blank verse, sestinas; whatever you want, really.

    Please?

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