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Wednesday, July 30, 2014

Playoff Game Thread: Knicks vs. Pacers Game 1

Here we go, the first Game 1 of the second round for the Knicks since <b>2000</b>!!

The Knicks should win this series, but I think we’ll have a much better idea of where the Knicks stand after this first game and we see if the Pacers have anything sneaky up their sleeves in how they plan to play the Knicks.

The first series had Shump play out of his mind and Tyson Chandler slowly got back into shape, so the Knicks are in really good shape right now, and that’s with JR Smith not even playing particularly well!

Let’s go Knicks!

299 comments on “Playoff Game Thread: Knicks vs. Pacers Game 1

  1. bocker84

    LET’S GO KNIIIIIIIIIIIICKKKKSSSSSSSS!!!… guys? Damn it… I always arrive to the party just a tad too early.

  2. BigBlueAL

    If the Memphis-OKC game goes to OT we are screwed. At least me not living in NYC is screwed for sure since they arent leaving this game for the start of the Knicks game. I assume people living in NYC will get switched to the Knicks game though no??

  3. Brian Cronin Post author

    Wow, what an ending in OKC! Reggie fouled Poindexter shooting a three down three!

  4. Brian Cronin Post author

    Chandler looks better in the first quarter than he did in all of the Boston series.

  5. Brian Cronin Post author

    Could they seriously not wait until a timeout to transfer to ABC?

  6. yellowboy90

    Brian Cronin:
    Could they seriously not wait until a timeout to transfer to ABC?

    You didn’t really want to see that dunk did you? lol

  7. Brian Cronin Post author

    You didn’t really want to see that dunk did you? lol

    True, but I thought maybe the Knicks were going back up the court. As it turns out, of course, I didn’t miss anything.

  8. yellowboy90

    Brian Cronin: True, but I thought maybe the Knicks were going back up the court. As it turns out, of course, I didn’t miss anything.

    I feel you. I was like what the…

  9. BigBlueAL

    Off topic comment, Im tired of having to watch Jayson Nix play every day.

    Back to this game.

  10. yellowboy90

    Felton looking good early. He has had some nice rolls so far. It looks like the PnR will be effective again this series like most expected.

  11. Brian Cronin Post author

    In all seriousness, I don’t get why the dude who voted for Melo isn’t owning it. There’s no way you don’t do that without intending it to be sending a message, right? So I am shocked that the person isn’t owning it. Like those dudes who send in blank Hall of Fame ballots. They’re always quite proud to crow about how they’re anti-establishment. This guy sounds like the same type of guy, so why isn’t he owning it?

  12. maxwell_3g

    Brian Cronin:
    In all seriousness, I don’t get why the dude who voted for Melo isn’t owning it. There’s no way you don’t do that without intending it to be sending a message, right? So I am shocked that the person isn’t owning it. Like that dudes who send in blank Hall of Fame ballots. They’re always quite proud to crow about how they’re anti-establishment. This guy sounds like the same type of guy, so why isn’t he owning it?

    does ruru get a vote??

  13. maxwell_3g

    how in the hell is k-mart so dam athletic at age 35??? what am i doing wrong?

  14. Brian Cronin Post author

    Sam Young is having the worst two minutes you can possibly have.

  15. yellowboy90

    maxwell_3g:
    how in the hell is k-mart so dam athletic at age 35???what am i doing wrong?

    Throw in all the major leg injuries and its mind-boggling

  16. Brian Cronin Post author

    All in all, a very good first quarter. Hopefully Sam Young plays a lot more.

  17. Juany8

    Brian Cronin:
    In all seriousness, I don’t get why the dude who voted for Melo isn’t owning it. There’s no way you don’t do that without intending it to be sending a message, right? So I am shocked that the person isn’t owning it. Like those dudes who send in blank Hall of Fame ballots. They’re always quite proud to crow about how they’re anti-establishment. This guy sounds like the same type of guy, so why isn’t he owning it?

    Most hilarious moment of the season by far. I can’t believe freaking Melo received the vote that prevented Lebron from getting the first unanimous MVP of all time. Now if he also keeps him from getting a second title, I bet the guy who voted for Carmelo owns up to it haha.

  18. maxwell_3g

    i will be very dissapointed if cope is not integrated into this rotation, at least a little. i think that he can competently cover west in the post (he covered hibbert in game 79 i believe) and the offensive spacing and scoiring he may provide could be huge

  19. maxwell_3g

    maxwell_3g:
    i will be very dissapointed if cope is not integrated into this rotation, at least a little.i think that he can competently cover west in the post (he covered hibbert in game 79 i believe) and the offensive spacing and scoiring he may provide could be huge

    and here he is!!!

  20. Hubert Davis

    Two impressive things from Woodson:

    - he didn’t stay w the big lineup too long.

    - he went to Copeland.

  21. ruruland

    Hubert Davis:
    Two impressive things from Woodson:

    - he didn’t stay w the big lineup too long.

    - he went to Copeland.

    Chandler getting his second foul is why he went away from big lineup.

  22. Brian Cronin Post author

    Yeah, agreed, Woody only went away from the big lineup because of Chandler’s second foul.

  23. ruruland

    BigBlueAL:
    Im beginning to think Kidd might not score another point this season lol.

    We had this conversation for like a month at mid-season.

  24. ruruland

    maxwell_3g:
    how in the hell is k-mart so dam athletic at age 35???what am i doing wrong?

    total freak of nature. Like 4 % body fat, does whatever he wants.

  25. maxwell_3g

    the pacers can score enpugh to win, unless they get bunches of points from unexpected sources (so can we cool dj f’n augustine off pleez?!)

  26. Brian Cronin Post author

    I think that a back and forth scoring game favors the Knicks, so I’m fine with the game so far.

  27. yellowboy90

    I wouldn’t mind isoing/featuring Shump the whole series if they are going to put West on him.

  28. Hubert Davis

    Watched in slo mo. The initial block on Melo was clean but he was fouled 3 times on the outback.

  29. BigBlueAL

    Knicks strategy of leaving the Pacers wide open for jumpers is beginning to fail.

  30. Juany8

    Indiana making a lot of tough jumpers so far. Knicks doing a better job of getting good looks so far I think. On the other hand, they’re not playing with that much intensity right now, moving pretty slowly on the boards.

  31. Brian Cronin Post author

    Indiana making a lot of tough jumpers so far. Knicks doing a better job of getting good looks so far I think. On the other hand, they’re not playing with that much intensity right now, moving pretty slowly on the boards.

    Yeah, I don’t get the lack of intensity.

  32. bocker84

    Melo… where is my superhero would could put a thread through the eye of a needle from 24 feet out?

    It seems like the recent games have been about the Knicks bailing out Melo instead of complimenting his offensive onslaught. I mean since when did we ever imagine Felton-Shumpert (Schfelton?) being our 1-2 hit on the offense?

  33. BigBlueAL

    I guess Chris Herring is seeing the same thing I am:

    “Indiana is getting wide-open jumper after wide-open jumper. Not great shooters, but they can make wide-open shots.”

  34. Brian Cronin Post author

    Soooo close!

    I love how Breen quickly presumes it didn’t count.

    Oh well, not a great first half but not terrible.

  35. Brian Cronin Post author

    JR wants to make sure he gets to stay in New York next season.

  36. AnonymousODG

    It was a pretty terrible half. Allowing IND to score 52 at MSG should never happen. Melo and JR having their fourth straight crappy game. Felton, once again, being the only consistent Knick. Chandler with early foul trouble, leading to extended minutes and awful rebounding by KMart (0 rebs). Kidd looking lost. Shump playing sloppy with turnovers.

    The only good thing is that we’re hitting a few 3 pters. The worst thing is that we’re letting IND hit a ton of 3 pters. Woodson better give them one hell of a halftime speech.

  37. Hubert Davis

    Pacers’ shooting stats are unreal right now.

    51.4% from floor.
    55.6% from 3.
    90% from FT.

    If they can keep that up, god bless ‘em. I think this will turn just like those first two Celtic games did.

    Most troubling aspect of that half was the disrespect Melo is getting at the rim. I hope it doesn’t dissuade him from driving. It’s atrocious, though.

  38. mr.JayP

    how many games will we play when the other team is just “On” ?

    Maybe it isn’t the other team, maybe its our Defensethat isnt forcing enough bad/contested shots?

    fyi i haven’t been watching the game to criticize our defense efforts. But c’mon, IND is not an offensive team.

  39. Hubert Davis

    When DJ Augustin is 3/3 from 3 with 10 points, I’m not going to indict our defense.

    Also, while it may not look pretty, our offense was pretty effective in the first half.

    Melo is having a tough game. He’s also getting manhandled.

    I feel good about the 2nd half.

  40. jon abbey

    ruruland: We had this conversationfor like a month at mid-season.

    I’m not looking up the numbers, but they’ve been really ugly overall for a long time, including his brief reawakening.

    really hated those two turnovers in the halfcourt on the perimeter from Shumpert to Felton (Shump’s fault) and Shumpert to Smith (right on JR’s hands, but I think he was shielded and didn’t see it until too late).

    NY needs to win this, so many times the road team wins game 1, wins their three home games, and closes it out in 6.

  41. Juany8

    I just looked at the box score for the OKC-Memphis game. Kendrick Perkins had the second most minutes on the team. Memphis blew game 1, and that might come back to haunt them, but if they can find a way to slow down Kevin Martin, I think they have an excellent chance of winning the series. Durant might need to score 40 a game if Kevin Martin doesn’t have it going and Ibaka doesn’t figure some way to score.

    Magic just made an interesting point about Lebron too. He’s not getting as much attention as you would think he should, and certainly not as much as he used to in Cleveland. I think it’s because as Lebron got mature and stopped chasing attention as much as winning, he got boring to the media. He’s become a freaking robot, on and off the court.

  42. d-mar

    When was the last time Melo made 3 straight shots? We really need him to go on one of his hot streaks, I’m getting tired of these 5-13 halves

  43. cgreene

    So is Melo still getting a pass, Ruru, now that we are into his fourth bad playoff game in a row? Let’s not even get into JR Smith.

  44. llcoolbp

    Melo is such a whining bitch. Play the game! Stupid fouls, hero ball, just crappy basketball. The Knicks are hanging around despite him. There is no way to defend his play right now.

  45. mr.JayP

    Granted, i understand why melo is upset. some of those hits are indeed fouls. i just cant imagine that they are going to start calling them fouls cuz you whine n bitch at the same refs that arent giving you the calls you want.

    Melo needs to adjust his game to the officiating, not the other way around.

  46. ruruland

    cgreene:
    So is Melo still getting a pass, Ruru, now that we are into his fourth bad playoff game in a row?Let’s not even get into JR Smith.

    When was he getting a free pass? lol

  47. BigBlueAL

    Indiana is straight up murdering the Knicks on the glass. +13 in rebounds so far.

  48. llcoolbp

    ruruland:
    Melo with 8 shots in the paint. Zero free throws. Ok.

    Ruru a bunch of those inside shots were against double and triple teams. Pass the fucking ball out! It’s not god damn rocket science. His play is so frustrating because we know what he’s capable of. As I’ve said before his mental makeup seems to be unable to take him to the next level.

  49. ruruland

    mr.JayP:
    Granted, i understand why melo is upset. some of those hits are indeed fouls. i just cant imagine that they are going to start calling them fouls cuz you whine n bitch at the same refs that arent giving you the calls you want.

    Melo needs to adjust his game to the officiating, not the other way around.

    Lebron, Kobe, Durant, Wade, Paul. They all do the same thing. I would venture that none of them have had a stretch where they shot the ball 8 times in the paint with contact in 20 or so minutes and not gotten a single free throw.

    Knicks need to win the game on defense though.

  50. Hubert Davis

    You guys remember the last time we played these guys and Copeland went in for Melo and we dominated them with that lineup?

    Woodson doesn’t.

  51. cgreene

    ruruland: When was he getting a free pass? lol

    Well if that’s you agreeing that he’s been bad any idea as to why? You generally have our Melo insight bc if this continues we lose this series in 5 or 6

  52. bocker84

    mr.JayP:
    Granted, i understand why melo is upset. some of those hits are indeed fouls. i just cant imagine that they are going to start calling them fouls cuz you whine n bitch at the same refs that arent giving you the calls you want.

    Melo needs to adjust his game to the officiating, not the other way around.

    The whole team needs to stop bitching to refs. I cringe each time someone wearing New York across their chest is walking up to the refs with a surprised look in their eyes holding their hands up as if they had just been castrated.

    It really doesn’t make sense to me. Why can’t Woody threaten each player with 100 pushups for each complain to a ref? I want the team to just brush off a bad call and take it out on the other team… not just complain like a bunch of girls…

    /rant over

  53. jon abbey

    Chandler with a grand total of 2 boards also, he is being outplayed badly by Hibbert.

  54. Hubert Davis

    This lineup is unacceptable, Mike Woodson. This is precisely what Indiana needs. Get your fucking head out of your ass.

  55. AnonymousODG

    KMart and Chandler are playing terribly. Hibbert and West are destroying them in all aspects of the game. Frankly, it’s embarrassing.

  56. mr.JayP

    ruruland: Lebron, Kobe, Durant, Wade, Paul. They all do the same thing. I would venture that none of them have hada stretch where they shot the ball 8 times in the paint with contact in 20 or so minutes and not gotten a single free throw.

    Knicks need to win the game on defense though.

    Ok, i understand that and i completely agree. Go tell the ref’s that and see where it goes. It still doesnt change the fact that it wont help the team’s behavior OR help them win a game.

  57. jon abbey

    Stephenson goes right at Chandler and converts, Smith goes right at Hibbert and gets stuffed.

  58. AnonymousODG

    These refs are terrible. He got all ball with his right arm but got all arm with his left. And he was moving. WTH

  59. Hubert Davis

    Wow. If you get a certain kind of whistle, Roy Hibbert can look like Bill Russell.

    That charge was a joke.

  60. TheXman

    Frankly this Pacers team is just better than the Knicks in all facets of the game. Flatout so much better. Knicks don’t have the balls or the mental fortitude/poise to win.

  61. marechal

    ruruland:
    Melo with 8 shots in the paint. Zero free throws. Ok.

    Hibbert is going straight up and down every time. Hard to see that many fouls there. You won’t get that many calls when you are trying to bully a triple team towards the rim.

  62. Juany8

    It’s like the Knicks don’t realize that bitching about every call won’t get you favorable calls. It’s moronic.

  63. Hubert Davis

    Van Gundy is a riot talking about the difference in poise between the two teams.

    Indiana is actually getting all the calls, of course they’re more poised!

  64. mr.JayP

    Juany8:
    It’s like the Knicks don’t realize that bitching about every call won’t get you favorable calls. It’s moronic.

    and thats my freaking point.

    The ref’s arent gonna say ” Shit, you saw how pissed felton was? lets give him some extra calls to even it out”

    Stay focus and play regardless of the calls your getting.

  65. jon abbey

    Juany8:
    It’s like the Knicks don’t realize that bitching about every call won’t get you favorable calls. It’s moronic.

    Sheed Syndrome

  66. ruruland

    marechal: Hibbert is going straight up and down every time. Hard to see that many fouls there. You won’t get that many calls when you are trying to bully a triple team towards the rim.

    I have not seen many of these so called triple teams. There was one on a post-up. He is attacking Hibbert and not getting a single call. Hibbert is going to get his blocks and non-calls, but 8 contact paint shots and 0 free throws is just… wow.

    Knicks have been in this position throughout the season. You guys are still bailing on them?

  67. marechal

    This team, its star and its coach have probably the lowest basketball IQ I’ve ever seen in a good team. Always putting their head down and going away from their strengths. Every fucking time. You couldn’t ask for more if you’re an opponent.

  68. bobneptune

    ruruland:
    Melo with 8 shots in the paint. Zero free throws. Ok.

    Jesus…..

    He’s being defended heads up with a 7’2 with a pterodactyl esque 7′ 4″ wingspan hibbert backstopping a la jaques plante and he’s getting the ball rammed down his gorgle. Stop whinning and run some pNr’s plz.

    Of course, since Chandler doesn’t need to be defended (a real shocker) the lane is officially closed for this series. Better make the adjustment and play on.

  69. cgreene

    If you want to say Melo does not get whistles because he doesn’t flail or whatever then that’s fine but if he doesn’t sell the calls he won’t get them. There is some acting to be done and Melo better understand that. He actually needs to flop a little IMO.

  70. johnlocke

    Agreed. Big line up is dumb. Stick w regular line up and double the bigs to wreak havoc…we did that to beat then last time. Why are we changing now? Woody is a moron

    Hubert Davis:
    This lineup is unacceptable, Mike Woodson.This is precisely what Indiana needs.Get your fucking head out of your ass.

  71. ruruland

    The highlight they just showed on Melo and Hibbert was clearly a foul. He did not go straight up JVG, he reached in and raked the arm. Clearly.

  72. cgreene

    ruruland: I have not seen many of these so called triple teams. There was one on a post-up. He is attacking Hibbert and not getting a single call. Hibbert is going to get his blocks and non-calls, but 8 contact paint shots and 0 free throws is just… wow.

    Knicks have been in this position throughout the season. You guys are still bailing on them?

    Stop claiming that when people complain that that they are “bailing”.

  73. AnonymousODG

    IND has outrebounded us 33-17. Chandler and KMart are a combined 3 rebs. Melo is the only one rebounding with 8 rebs.

  74. Juany8

    The Knicks have officially lost their minds. Copeland is playing fucking heroball…

  75. jon abbey

    stop shooting jumpers early in the shot clock, Kenyon! sometimes this team looks entirely uncoached.

  76. Juany8

    Knicks are just watching the ball come down on the boards. It’s kind of pathetic, bad refs or no

  77. BigBlueAL

    Amazing that playing a team that isnt as offensively challenged as the Celtics are the Knicks D sucks again.

  78. BigBlueAL

    Pacers actually have guards who can dribble and shoot (Hill and Augustin) and are athletic (Stephenson). Huge difference from playing the Celtics.

  79. Hubert Davis

    I’m losing all respect for Woodson.

    How the fuck do you give JR such a long leash when half of NY knows he was at 40/40 til 2AM last night after the Mayweather fight?

    Show some fucking balls.

    This isn’t JR Smith’s team. And Kidd has been terrible. Get your head out of your ass & play Prigs & Shump.

  80. BigBlueAL

    Also this is why not sweeping the Celtics or winning in 5 was bad, quick turnaround hurting the Knicks alot more than the Pacers.

  81. cgreene

    ruruland:
    So it’s attack ruru time now. Ok.

    No dude. You tell fans of the team for 30 years that they are “bailing” when they have every right to be very critical of this team in the middle of the game when they are playing terrible.

    Here’s a question for you like you pose to Owen and those guys when they won’t step up and admit they are off base. Who was the better player in round 1 Jeff Green or Melo?

  82. bobneptune

    ruruland:
    So it’s attack ruru time now. Ok.

    Bookmarked! :-)

    Seriously, though, I see why you nuthug melo so. You can talk the talk, but when it doesn’t go your way, you are gonna whine???

  83. Juany8

    What’s the bet that Melo gets a cheap foul within the first 2 minutes of the 4th quarter? You never want to overreact to a game 1 loss, but the Knicks need to stop being bitches if they expect to get anywhere.

    Problem number 1: Tyson Chandler playing fucking pathetic. At least Melo is trying out there.

  84. johnlocke

    You been watching JR and Kidd???

    Juany8:
    What’s the bet that Melo gets a cheap foul within the first 2 minutes of the 4th quarter? You never want to overreact to a game 1 loss, but the Knicks need to stop being bitches if they expect to get anywhere.

    Problem number 1: Tyson Chandler playing fucking pathetic. At least Melo is trying out there.

  85. Juany8

    Amazing how much better the Knick’s offense looks when they’re getting the calls they deserve. Way to show up to your jobs refs.

  86. bobneptune

    marechal:
    How is that not a fucking flagrant?

    He got the ball number one and it was weaker than kenyon martin’s karate chop across the arms the other night.

  87. maxwell_3g

    Hubert Davis:
    OH MY GOD THAT FIFTH FOUL!

    it def was not a foul on hibbert, but probably should have been a no call. of course the telecast never showed us an angle where we could see theis alleged forearm by melo

  88. flossy

    Thanks goodness Amar’e isn’t around to ruin this basketball clinic we’re running

  89. AnonymousODG

    marechal:
    Hibbert has been humiliating Chandler today. Sad.

    Tyson Chandler has officially become Hibbert’s B1tch. So has KMart. They’re too busy mentally picking out what anal cream to use after the game to soothe the butthurt to even think about rebounding.

  90. yellowboy90

    Woody better pull a Doc Rivers(go after the Refs) after this comeback win

  91. johnlocke

    We should double Hibbert and West every time!!! Now we don’t want to double in the post???

    maxwell_3g:
    hibbert is absolutely killingchandler.

  92. Juany8

    flossy:
    Thanks goodness Amar’e isn’t around to ruin this basketball clinic we’re running

    JR Smith has definitely bombed out as any kind of second option lol. Felton has been a very legit third option for what it’s worth, and Shump has been legit as well. Chandler and JR need to show up to the fucking playoffs.

  93. maxwell_3g

    man, ir is so shocking whe n you play a team that can convert post up plays. west and hibbert have been money on the jump hooks, and its so rare now in the league

  94. Hubert Davis

    I thought the refs did a great job there at least not giving Melo his 6th.

  95. david

    That was insane. If the refs allow this series to be this brutal, the pacers have a huge edge.

  96. mokers

    I don’t think the Knicks deserve to win with the way they have been playing, but these officials are embarrassing.

  97. bobneptune

    Somebody should tell melo you can’t barrel into a guy with a 7′ 4″ wingspan and when you get the ball jammed down your throat, expect to get bailed out when you initiated the contact.

    The lane is officially closed until actually Hibbert has to guard someone.

  98. johnlocke

    If both Melo and JR are gonna shoot below 40%…we’re screwed regardless

    BigBlueAL:
    Who knew the Pacers were a better jump shooting team than the Knicks.

  99. maxwell_3g

    these refs are hilarious. melo is a foot behind the line….how could you even think that was a 2?

  100. cgreene

    bobneptune:
    Somebody should tell melo you can’t barrel into a guy with a 7? 4? wingspan and when you get the ball jammed down your throat, expect to get bailed out when you initiated the contact.

    The lane is officially closed until actually Hibbert has to guard someone.

    You are way over simplifying. Sometimes he is bullying into good D and sometimes he is clearly getting hacked.

  101. mr.JayP

    I hope hero ball doesnt come to bail us out. i think that would hurt us more than winning

  102. maxwell_3g

    AnonymousODG: Because of that.Boom.8 pt game with 3+ minutes to go.

    well, im happy that it was in my face? we will ignore that he is like 2 for his last 30. its the rushed ones i dont like. that one was in the flow

  103. BigBlueAL

    maxwell_3g:
    these refs are hilarious.melo is a foot behind the line….how could you even think that was a 2?

    Foreel. That wasnt even close.

  104. johnlocke

    If you think that you’re nuts. Ask OKC if they want to give away that win

    mr.JayP:
    I hope hero ball doesnt come to bail us out. i think that would hurt us more than winning

  105. maxwell_3g

    david:
    We should try playing Copeland at the 5 to move Hibbert out of the lane

    hibbert would just cover k-mart/ hibbert. unless you are thinking melo at the 4, cope at the 5. im all for it, atleast to try it, but we could get murdered on the block

  106. cgreene

    It’s the defense that can’t be trusted here. I’d go offense defense w Martin and JR

  107. mr.JayP

    johnlocke:
    If you think that you’re nuts. Ask OKC if they want to give away that win

    Ask anyone if they think OKC has a shot of even getting out the west?

    Hero ball covers up bad coaching. And im glad you brought up OKC, Durant is just bailing out Scott brookes with those plays.

  108. AnonymousODG

    Chandler. Possibly the worst performance of his career. Go cry on the bench with your bloody butt and resign yourself for being Hibbert’s complete b1tch all night.

  109. maxwell_3g

    why the hell does melo become our pg in the final 2 minutes??!!! It never works!

  110. AnonymousODG

    Shump’s been spectacularly bad with the ball today. His passes have either been to invisible men out of bounds or far wide forcing players to get off the open spots they were on.

  111. llcoolbp

    Amazing with how spectacularly bad the Knicks have played they are only down 6. This tells me the heat will crush both of these teams. No chance in hell of a championship this year.

  112. AnonymousODG

    maxwell_3g:
    why the hell does melo become our pg in the final 2 minutes??!!!It never works!

    It just worked in Game 6??? It’s the same reason Durant becomes the PG at the end of OKC games (like he did against MEM today). Because you don’t want to allow the defense to deny passes and ball entry to Durant/Melo and waste precious seconds off the shot clock.

  113. Frank O.

    AnonymousODG:
    Chandler.Possibly the worst performance of his career.Go cry on the bench with your bloody butt and resign yourself for being Hibbert’s complete b1tch all night.

    I think Tyson played tough. Their front line is way bigger and Tyson is often battling two bugs alone.

  114. bobneptune

    maxwell_3g: hibbert would just cover k-mart/ hibbert.unless you are thinking melo at the 4, cope at the 5.im all for it, atleast to try it, but we could get murdered on the block

    The knicks structural problem is none of their bigs (chandler/Martin/Camby) have a wisp of an offensive game and don’t have to be guarded other than at the rim.

    If you want to guard West and Hibbert with Copeland and Melo, both knick players would be fouled out in 5 minutes

  115. maxwell_3g

    awful offense there. melo played pathetically. and jr saved the ball but they typical bad decision making

  116. BigBlueAL

    We can analyze this game to death but its simple, if Melo and JR continue to shoot a combined 14 for 43 from the floor the Knicks wont win 2 games this series let alone 4.

  117. johnlocke

    Good luck to whoever gives him a big contract…just not a smart player at all. Our smartest guys are our worst athletes and vice versa

    bobneptune:
    Earl at his best!

  118. llcoolbp

    I’m just about through with jr. I hope he walks after this season. Completely unreliable player. Cannot have both him and melo chucking up shots. It’s unwatchable.

  119. mr.JayP

    bobneptune: The knicks structural problem is none of their bigs (chandler/Martin/Camby) have a wisp of an offensive game and don’t have to be guarded other than at the rim.

    If you want to guard West and Hibbert with Copeland and Melo, both knick players would be fouled out in 5 minutes

    Why not Cope/Kmart at the 4 and melo at the 3? Ty + that other center we have/kmart

  120. maxwell_3g

    bobneptune: The knicks structural problem is none of their bigs (chandler/Martin/Camby) have a wisp of an offensive game and don’t have to be guarded other than at the rim.

    If you want to guard West and Hibbert with Copeland and Melo, both knick players would be fouled out in 5 minutes

    yep, pretty much. that is why we kept a roster spot open for sheed throughout the year, praying that he would get healthy. it didnt work out though

  121. mr.JayP

    Ok, now that we lost.

    Besides melo and jr’s horrendous shooting. How isnt this woody’s fault?

  122. flossy

    flossy: I guess it depends on what you mean by “recently,” but if you’re just talking about the Boston series, I’d say the offense was more “worse” than diverse, particularly our big guns:

    Melo: 38.5% usage (!!), .482 TS%
    JR: 28% usage, .475 TS%

    There’s no way around it, that is just horrible.Really, truly not good at all, and definitely not good enough to beat the Pacers in a best of 7.If those two shoot that much, that poorly, there’s no defense good enough or line up adjustments clever enough to get us past the Pacers in this series, period.They were pretty much carried by Felton, Shumpert and Prigioni on offense in the first round, but we don’t have the luxury of letting them suck for two straight rounds unless some kind of deus ex Stoudemire-in-his-prime happens and totally changes the series.Melo and JR two need to step it up in a big way, or this will be an ugly end to the season.

    No further comment.

  123. AnonymousODG

    Frank O.: I think Tyson played tough. Their front line is way bigger and Tyson is often battling two bugs alone.

    If you weren’t an anonymous poster on a meaningless sports thread, I’d find you and murder you and your family. Tyson’s play was indefensible today. Multiple idiot loose ball fouls (the last one that pretty much sealed IND’s win on an airball 3 pter). 1 reb in the 2nd half.

    Like… WTF. Who the phuck would even step to Tyson’s defense today? This was a performance that only a mother could love. I’m officially referring to Tyson as “Hibbert’s B1tch” until he has a double-digit rebound game.

    How the phuck does Anthony, being in foul trouble all night, get 11 rebs and Hibbert’s B1tch only gets 3? Not like Hibbert’s B1tch was denying IND the offensive rebound with boxing out since IND had 11 off rebs and was +14 on the boards overall.

  124. llcoolbp

    Or short series for the pacers. Wish stat would play in game 2. What the hell do we have to lose. The offense or interior d can’t get worse.

  125. Frank O.

    JR….Woodson spends all year building up his confidence and in one stupid foul *poof* it’s gone and we have EARL.
    Kidd is showing his age and lack of quickness in the playoffs.
    But in the end, you negate size with ball movement.
    We have fallen into iso ball and no three point threat right now to spread the floor.
    Also, the Pacers shot out if their mind from three. I don’t believe they can do that again.

  126. jon abbey

    ruruland:
    The biggest problem was Tyson’s inability to slow Hibbert in the post.

    and Melo’s refusal to adjust to Hibbert abusing him every time at the hoop.

  127. yellowboy90

    Woody needs to just stop playing Kidd. Let Shump start the 4th and insert Copeland more.

  128. ruruland

    Well, I guess I should have expected a full-out board freak out.

    Playoff series are tough to handle emotionally. You can freak out if Knicks lose game two.

  129. d-mar

    The series is going 7. We split at home and in Indy, win game 5, lose game 6. Every game is different, don’t overreact to one loss.

  130. JK47

    95 points should usually be enough to beat the Pacers. People can harp on the terrible games by Melo and JR, and yes, they were terrible, but really you should not be allowing 102 points to Indiana on a .539 eFG%.

    Defense killed the Knicks today. Crappy, execrable, lousy, no good defense.

  131. BigBlueAL

    Well last night I did say I thought each team will win 1 on the road thru the first 4 games and the series will be tied 2-2. I hope I was right.

  132. mr.JayP

    Frank O.:
    JR….Woodson spends all year building up his confidence and in one stupid foul *poof* it’s gone and we have EARL.
    Kidd is showing his age and lack of quickness in the playoffs.
    But in the end, you negate size with ball movement.
    We have fallen into iso ball and no three point threat right now to spread the floor.
    Also, the Pacers shot out if their mind from three. I don’t believe they can do that again.

    How many times have we said that!? LOL

  133. ruruland

    jon abbey: and Melo’s refusal to adjust to Hibbert abusing him every time at the hoop.

    His shot isn’t falling right now. He’d get killed if he settled for jumpers.

    Just one call on Hibbert early changes everything. Knicks need to keep attacking him relentlessly, get a few calls and get him on the bench.

    IF they stop attacking they won’t beat Indiana.

  134. AnonymousODG

    mr.JayP:
    Ok, now that we lost.

    Besides melo and jr’s horrendous shooting. How isnt this woody’s fault?

    Because it’s Chandler’s fault. It’s KMart’s fault. It’s Shump’s fault. It’s Kidd’s fault. It’s Melo’s fault. It’s JR’s fault. It’s the refs’ fault.

    Woodson can’t shoot the ball for Melo/JR. Woodson can’t handle the ball for Shump/Kidd. Woodson can’t box out properly for Chandler/KMart. And he can’t blow whistles for the refs.

    He did put in Copeland for a few minutes (who was good for two 3 pters and one fantastic defensive sequence) for what it’s worth.

  135. nyk8806

    big props to GG for picking kmart out of the dollar store, who basically saved our season. unfortunately, his regression to the mean will likewise spell our demise, especially when that other center of ours is worthless. i still ultimately think that it was predictable that our choice of signing a bunch of “veterans” would led to this outcome (which, on the upside, is the best we’ve managed in too long). RIP Camby, Sheed, Kurt, Kidd.

  136. BigBlueAL

    JK47:
    95 points should usually be enough to beat the Pacers.People can harp on the terrible games by Melo and JR, and yes, they were terrible, but really you should not be allowing 102 points to Indiana on a .539 eFG%.

    Defense killed the Knicks today.Crappy, execrable, lousy, no good defense.

    Further emphasizes just how bad the Celtics are offensively.

  137. Hubert Davis

    mr.JayP:
    Ok, now that we lost.

    Besides melo and jr’s horrendous shooting. How isnt this woody’s fault?

    It was a 6 point game when Melo went to the bench with his 4th and they outscored us by 10 to close the quarter.

    His Chandler/Martin lineup had a lot to do with it.

    There was nothing effective about that lineup. It looked bad immediately. If Frank Vogel could have put in a lineup for us himself, he probably would have chosen that lineup.

    I fear Woodson will run it out again in game 2 to the same effect. And again in game 3. We’ll have to end up being 2-1 down until he realizes it won’t work.

  138. mr.JayP

    flossy: No further comment.

    Woody needs to help melo and jr score way more efficiently.

    And yet again, i question woody’s coaching chop to make adjustments. Pacers played THEIR game for 48min.

  139. bobneptune

    BigBlueAL:
    We can analyze this game to death but its simple, if Melo and JR continue to shoot a combined 14 for 43 from the floor the Knicks wont win 2 games this series let alone 4.

    I don’t want to be the grim reaper, but as the great Giant coach once said…” You are what your record says you are.” Prior to today’s game, JR and Melo’s playoff stats:

    Career: Melo TS% = .513 WS/48 = .105 This playoff TS% =.482 , WS/48 = .111

    Career: JR TS% = .515 , WS/48 = .053 This playoff TS% = .475 , WS/48 = .048

  140. BigBlueAL

    The only way the Knicks should ever use 2 bigs in the lineup is if Amare is one of them. Cant have Chandler and KMart out there together because they destroy the offense.

  141. ruruland

    Frank O.:
    JR….Woodson spends all year building up his confidence and in one stupid foul *poof* it’s gone and we have EARL.
    Kidd is showing his age and lack of quickness in the playoffs.
    But in the end, you negate size with ball movement.
    We have fallen into iso ball and no three point threat right now to spread the floor.
    Also, the Pacers shot out if their mind from three. I don’t believe they can do that again.

    I’m beyond finding it humorous when people start to call every missed shot an isolation.

    The Knicks really didn’t run much isolation at all. They ran a ridiculous amount of pick and roll, and the Pacers, like the Celtics, are going to hug shooters and make Felton or the pnr ballhandler beat them by scoring.

    Hibbert is going to give the ball-handler space and stand a foot in front of the rim.

    He’s not a good defender, but he’s extremely long.

    Would be shocked if Knicks don’t win two of next three.

  142. JK47

    I watched Kidd every possession of the game to see if he did anything positive.

    He didn’t.

  143. ruruland

    nyk8806:
    big props to GG for picking kmart out of the dollar store, who basically saved our season.unfortunately, his regression to the mean will likewise spell our demise, especially when that other center of ours is worthless.i still ultimately think that it was predictable that our choice of signing a bunch of “veterans” would led to this outcome (which, on the upside, is the best we’ve managed in too long).RIP Camby, Sheed, Kurt, Kidd.

    OMG

  144. mr.JayP

    Hubert Davis: It was a 6 point game when Melo went to the bench with his 4th and they outscored us by 10 to close the quarter.

    His Chandler/Martin lineup had a lot to do with it.

    There was nothing effective about that lineup.It looked bad immediately.If Frank Vogel could have put in a lineup for us himself, he probably would have chosen that lineup.

    I fear Woodson will run it out again in game 2 to the same effect.And again in game 3.We’ll have to end up being 2-1 down until he realizes it won’t work.

    In that moment, he needed to put in Cope. I think Kidd was out there with them as well? D and O were bad.

    But like stated, we scored 95 pts. how in the world did we let ind. score a 100+ AT HOME?

  145. Hubert Davis

    Melo now 35-110 over last 4 playoff games. JR is 12-42.

    We’re not going anywhere until Woodson gets this offense back on track.

  146. ruruland

    mr.JayP: Woody needs to help melo and jr score way more efficiently.

    And yet again, i question woody’s coaching chop to make adjustments. Pacers played THEIR game for 48min.

    Many of the shots both guys are getting are good shots.

    They won’t struggle forever. I loved the way they continued to attack the rim when they weren’t getting calls.

    If you guys can’t handle one playoff loss, you might want to stick with the Yankees.

  147. BigBlueAL

    Knicks scored 95 pts on 90 possessions. That is very good especially against the Pacers. Despite the awful shooting from Melo and JR the offense was actually fine today.

    Problem was the putrid Knicks D which allowed the Pacers to score 101 points on 91 possessions.

  148. nicos

    Tough to win when your best player is Felton. I did think Melo did the right thing for the most part when taking it to the hole. He got legitimately blocked 2 or 3 times but got hit on at least 3 or 4 others- if those fouls get called it’s a different game. His whistle can’t get any worse so maybe it’s time to take a 25,000 dollar fine (easy for me to say, I know) and just blast the refs. And if Melo doesn’t Woodson certainly should

    Also- no Chandler/Kmart lineups- you just let Indiana pack the paint more than they normally do and their perimeter defenders are long and tough to shoot over for our guards. And I certainly don’t need to see KMart taking 18 footers.

    Finally, anybody who watched this game and still thinks the Knicks are better off without Amar’e is crazy. I think the Knicks still win the series even without Amar’e playing much but with him at 100% this would be an easy series- West can’t guard him and he’d put Hibbert in foul trouble very quickly.

  149. JK47

    Hubert Davis:
    Melo now 35-110 over last 4 playoff games.JR is 12-42.

    We’re not going anywhere until Woodson gets this offense back on track.

    Indy is the #1 defense in the NBA. The way to beat them is to get offensive production that isn’t disgraceful, and hold their crappy offense in check. The Knicks didn’t, so they lost.

  150. BigBlueAL

    mr.JayP: In that moment, he needed to put in Cope. I think Kidd was out there with them as well? D and O were bad.

    But like stated, we scored 95 pts. how in the world did we let ind. score a 100+ AT HOME?

    Because as the regular season showed the Knicks arent good defensively. Playing the Celtics for 6 games didnt change that, it just hid that fact for awhile.

    The Pacers arent good offensively and they will (hopefully) have a couple of awful games offensively this series but they post alot more problems on offense than the Celtics did.

  151. Hubert Davis

    BigBlueAL:
    Knicks scored 95 pts on 90 possessions.That is very good especially against the Pacers.Despite the awful shooting from Melo and JR the offense was actually fine today.

    Problem was the putrid Knicks D which allowed the Pacers to score 101 points on 91 possessions.

    But the problem is most of the effective offensive production comes from lineups that Woodson doesn’t want to play as much.

  152. bobneptune

    AnonymousODG:

    He did put in Copeland for a few minutes (who was good for two 3 pters and one fantastic defensive sequence) for what it’s worth.

    The coach isn’t a complete moron. -6 in 8 minutes for Copeland with zero boards/assists/steals/blocks/ FT’s.

    On the brighter side, the great Melo Did grab his 3rd offensive board in 284 playoff minutes!!! And his 12th assist in the same 284 minutes!!!

  153. mr.JayP

    ruruland: Many of the shots both guys are getting are good shots.

    They won’t struggle forever. I loved the way they continued to attack the rim when they weren’t getting calls.

    If you guys can’t handle one playoff loss, you might want to stick with the Yankees.

    So whats the reason for them not falling? Melo and JR efficiency’s were horrendous.

  154. JK47

    ruruland: Many of the shots both guys are getting are good shots.

    They won’t struggle forever. I loved the way they continued to attack the rim when they weren’t getting calls.

    If you guys can’t handle one playoff loss, you might want to stick with the Yankees.

    If they struggle like this in the next game the season is probably over.

  155. DCrockett17

    One thing no one’s mentioned is that Augustine probably got the 16 easiest points of his career. Every shot was basically unguarded. Cut his scoring in half and you don’t let the Pacers run away.

    And for God’s sake, what does Copeland have to do to get some burn? We are starting to get into D’Antoni versus Nate territory.

  156. ruruland

    mr.JayP: So whats the reason for them not falling? Melo and JR efficiency’s were horrendous.

    Well, some of it is not getting calls at the rim, some of it is missing good jump shots. They can both be streaky players. Neither guy is going to shoot like this the rest of the playoffs.

    Also, in a game when Hibbert gets a lot of non-calls, he finished with 5 fouls.

    You don’t have to change that ratio much to get his ass on the bench.

    Keep attacking, get Hibbert out of the game, and good things will happen.

    Indiana’s defense really isn’t all that impressive to me. Pacers are +10 rating when he’s on the floor.

  157. nyk8806

    ruruland: OMG

    for the record i’m not saying our season is over because of 1 loss and bad play by several of our key pieces. hell, 3 more rebounds may have put us within striking distance of a W. sorry if some of us can’t be as consistently optimistic as you, raraland.

  158. ruruland

    Like I said, freak out if they lose Tuesday. I seriously doubt they will. But they can lose this series if they stop attacking the paint because of Hibbert.

    Pacers are a great defensive teams because they can make opponents settle.

  159. AnonymousODG

    Another consistently solid offensive night from Felton, btw. I’m deathly afraid though that because we’ve wasted 3 of them in playoff losses, we’ve used them all up.

    If he continues to play like he has though, it’d be the best thing to have happened to the Knicks in a long time: a proven playoff point guard with both offense/defense.

    DCrockett17:
    And for God’s sake, what does Copeland have to do to get some burn? We are starting to get into D’Antoni versus Nate territory.

    Be something more than a completely outmatched player against the #1 defense in the NBA? Let’s stop acting like Copeland’s low minutes has anything to do with our playoff losses.

  160. ruruland

    AnonymousODG:
    Another consistently solid offensive night from Felton, btw.I’m deathly afraid though that because we’ve wasted 3 of them in playoff losses, we’ve used them all up.

    If he continues to play like he has though, it’d be the best thing to have happened to the Knicks in a long time: a proven playoff point guard with both offense/defense.

    Be something more than a completely outmatched player against the #1 defense in the NBA?Let’s stop acting like Copeland’s low minutes has anything to do with our playoff losses.

    give Felton a lot of credit, he has played great and made excellent decision in the pnr, but teams are basically not guarding him right now. He and Prigs need to play very efficiently.

  161. JK47

    I don’t really get why this Knicks team is so mediocre on defense. They have mostly the same personnel this year as they did last year, yet last year they were 5th in D-rating and 12th in eFG% allowed. This year, they’re 18th in D-rating and 23rd in eFG% allowed.

    Actually, I should correct that. I actually DO know why they’ve fallen off so badly on defense. It’s because Tyson Chandler is not the same player this year. Look at today’s game. He gave us 28 minutes of nothing.

  162. slovene knick

    More rebounds would help..like in Boston series..with so many second chances you can shoot 40% and still win & D has room for improvement. Woodson and the team is going to figure Pacers out…they are a good,focused team but nothing great about them. Nyk in 6.

    But have to say…is no fun in watchin Knicks play right now(last 4 games).

  163. llcoolbp

    If this board existed in the 90′s and Patrick Ewing shot the ball as bad as melo for 4 games in the playoffs, we would absolutely be murdering him. Not to mention Ewing still brings rebounds and shot blocking to the table when his offense went south. Melo is killing this team right now with his inefficient play. When they were down six he kept on jacking up shots. I trusted Felton or shump more then him there. He’s too stubborn, in this coming from a Patrick Ewing fan. He makes Ewing look like Steve Nash.

  164. AnonymousODG

    nyk8806: for the record i’m not saying our season is over because of 1 loss and bad play by several of our key pieces.hell, 3 more rebounds may have put us within striking distance of a W.sorry if some of us can’t be as consistently optimistic as you, raraland.

    What game did you watch? We were absolutely within striking distance at the 2:45 mark and Hibbert’s B1tch threw it all away when he committed a random loose ball foul on an airball 3 pter.

  165. ptmilo

    Id say, there is really one thing to worry about from tonight, and that is Chandler. Anthony and JR weren’t effective, but to differing degrees is who they are. Even against a very good defense like Indy, they will likely combine to be more effective than this at least 3 out 4 times. For Anthony, even the refs are part of that volatility. One or two calls (and I don’t think the refs are at all the story of this game) put Hibbert in early foul trouble and change the course of the game. Then again, the reverse applies to how well Felton played.

    But Chandler is one year removed from DPOY (although I never thought that made sense, he was still a very effective defender), was just not a force tonight, at either end (the come-down offensively is just as big). And comparing his defense to Hibbert’s…well…don’t. I would say his defense wasn’t even “pretty good” tonight, and yet he was also an important reason the Knicks got killed on the boards (Shumpert and JR Smith were the others). And I’m not as confident it will bounce back, either.

    The Knicks can still win games against the Pacers. Carmelo and JR will shoot better, and that could easily be enough. And I would argue that Chandler has been a mostly mediocre defender all season, though unlike tonight he seemed to pick his spots effectively. But with a 1-0 lead and the way Chandler has played on average in the playoffs, the Pacers have become the modest favorites.

  166. ruruland

    AnonymousODG: What game did you watch?We were absolutely within striking distance at the 2:45 mark and Hibbert’s B1tch threw it all away when he committed a random loose ball foul on an airball 3 pter.

    Questionable call there. But sure. If you think Hibbert is going to outplay Chandler like that all series and Melo and JR will shoot under 30 %, I would get the pessimism.

    But, uh, that’s not going to happen.

  167. bocker84

    ruruland: Questionable call there. But sure. If you think Hibbert is going to outplay Chandler like that all series and Melo and JR will shoot under 30 %, I would get the pessimism.

    But, uh, that’s not going to happen.

    I’m really wishing that you’re right Ruru… but since Boston’s game 4 Melo has gone 30% shooting each game since then. 4 games in a row. It just so happens that it isn’t against the same team otherwise we would be out of the playoffs by now.

    I keep thinking that he will break out of it, but it’s just not happening.

  168. DCrockett17

    AnonymousODG:

    Be something more than a completely outmatched player against the #1 defense in the NBA?Let’s stop acting like Copeland’s low minutes has anything to do with our playoff losses.

    He was 2 of 3 from the floor and drew a charge in next to no minutes.

  169. ruruland

    bocker84: I’m really wishing that you’re right Ruru… but since Boston’s game 4 Melo has gone 30% shooting each game since then.4 games in a row.It just so happens that it isn’t against the same team otherwise we would be out of the playoffs by now.

    I keep thinking that he will break out of it, but it’s just not happening.

    We’ll see.

  170. AnonymousODG

    DCrockett17: He was 2 of 3 from the floor and drew a charge in next to no minutes.

    Is that supposed to make us forget he was a whopping 0-3 with a clumsy foul in 13 minutes when he started against the Celtics?

    Why am I even explaining this??? I like the guy. I love his story. But he needs another 2 years of NBA experience before you throw him against top team defenses in critical playoff situations, bro.

  171. nyk8806

    AnonymousODG: What game did you watch?We were absolutely within striking distance at the 2:45 mark and Hibbert’s B1tch threw it all away when he committed a random loose ball foul on an airball 3 pter.

    I guess you and I have a different definition of striking distance. Down 8 points with 2:45 remaining in a second round playoff game isn’t exactly even money. Last conceivable point when we had a greater than 1% chance of turning it around? Sure. I’m way less pissed about his play there than the 28 minutes of hot garbage that preceded it (agreed that it was a questionable call).

  172. jon abbey

    AnonymousODG: Is that supposed to make us forget he was a whopping 0-3 with a clumsy foul in 13 minutes when he started against the Celtics?

    Why am I even explaining this???I like the guy.I love his story.But he needs another 2 years of NBA experience before you throw him against top team defenses in critical playoff situations, bro.

    yeah, he was nervous in his first game and Woodson buried him for the rest of the series, pretty legitimately. he tried him again and got production, he should have gone to him more with the rest of the team struggling to score so much.

    and Kidd does need to be benched, he’s giving us nothing. I doubt Woodson has the balls to do it, though.

  173. ruruland

    James Harden typically gets about 3 foul shots per paint attempt, Lebron and Durant not that far off (not even considering the extra uncontested paint attempts they get). Melo got less than half a free throw per paint attempt today. I believe the NBA average is close to 2.

    How many fts do Wade and Lebron shoot in a game like today’s?

    Last year they combined to average 17 per game against the Pacers, on fewer attempts obviously.

  174. bobneptune

    ruruland: Melo won’t get many offensive rebounds when he is used to space the floor as a spread 4.

    Yeah…. it’s hard to get an offensive rebound when you need to get the ball surgically removed from his throat.

    The amazing thing to me is that melo is so hard headed. He can see how he is being defended. Once he gets an angle to the basket with his primary defender on his hip and Hibbert is waiting for him, he eshews the pull up from 10 feet or the pass to Hibbert’s man when he comes over and consistently makes the lowest percentage choice, attacking the guy with the 7’4″ wingspan.

    lols ensue……..

  175. jon abbey

    ruruland:
    James Harden typically gets about 3 foul shots per paint attempt, Lebron and Durant not that far off (not even considering the extra uncontested paint attempts they get). Melo got less than half a free throw per paint attempt today. I believe the NBA average is close to 2.

    How many fts do Wade and Lebron shoot in a game like today’s?

    Last year they combined to average 17 per game against the Pacers, on fewer attempts obviously.

    oh, stop. the only call he should have gotten was the one on the dunk late, the rest were correct no-calls IMO.

    here’s one of those BR searches you like so much, I’m guessing you won’t be linking this one yourself:

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=Y&year_min=1980&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=20&c2stat=fg_pct&c2comp=lt&c2val=.4&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=fg_pct&order_by_asc=Y

  176. JK47

    At this point of his career Jason Kidd plays basketball the way I do when I’m in a pickup game:

    1. Stand around the perimeter
    2. If the ball is passed to me, think of shooting for a second, then…
    3. Pass to the teammate who is standing closest to me.

  177. nicos

    ruruland: give Felton a lot of credit, he has played great and made excellent decision in the pnr, but teams are basically not guarding him right now. He and Prigs need to play very efficiently.

    The big problem for Felton is that the kick-out three is gone- Novak isn’t going to play more than spot minutes even if healthy, Jr’s missing, Kidd and Prigs won’t catch and shoot and can’t penetrate. Plus, in this series especially, Chandler can’t finish unless it’s a lob over the top- getting it to him five feet from the basket won’t work because of Hibbert’s presence. So basically you’re asking Felton to hit floaters over Hibbert all game long. He did that a good deal today and hit his open jumpers but if you’re asking him to do that 15-20 times a game (as the Knicks might have to if Melo and JR don’t get going) it’s going to be tough for him.

  178. bobneptune

    ruruland:
    James Harden typically gets about 3 foul shots per paint attempt, Lebron and Durant not that far off (not even considering the extra uncontested paint attempts they get). Melo got less than half a free throw per paint attempt today. I believe the NBA average is close to 2.

    How many fts do Wade and Lebron shoot in a game like today’s?

    Last year they combined to average 17 per game against the Pacers, on fewer attempts obviously.

    We get it. The NBA wants the Knicks out of the playoffs so they’ve instructed the refs to put the fix in. We all know the league and their TV partners want the NY market out and the vast Indiana market in.

    Didn’t your t-ball coach ever tell you whining about the officials is for losers? Let the coach work the refs and you play the game.

    Stop bitching and don’t shoot 71- 189 for the playoffs, mr great offensive player.

  179. JK47

    Not so fun fact: Tyson Chandler’s last double-double came on February 27.

    For the remainder of the regular season after that February 27 game he averaged 6.1 points and 7.3 rebounds in 30+ minutes.

    In the playoffs he’s averaging a mighty 5.0 points and 7.8 boards.

    In other words, we’re screwed.

  180. ruruland

    bobneptune: We get it. The NBA wants the Knicks out of the playoffs so they’ve instructed the refs to put the fix in. We all know the league and their TV partners want the NY market out and the vast Indiana market in.

    Didn’t your t-ball coach ever tell you whining about the officials is for losers? Let the coach work the refs and you play the game.

    Stop bitching and don’t shoot 71- 189 for the playoffs, mr great offensive player.

    Fair enough.

  181. DCrockett17

    AnonymousODG: Is that supposed to make us forget he was a whopping 0-3 with a clumsy foul in 13 minutes when he started against the Celtics?

    Why am I even explaining this???I like the guy.I love his story.But he needs another 2 years of NBA experience before you throw him against top team defenses in critical playoff situations, bro.

    The matchups are different here. We need him to pull West away from the paint.

  182. nicos

    jon abbey: oh, stop. the only call he should have gotten was the one on the dunk late, the rest were correct no-calls IMO.

    I don’t know- there was one play where Melo went into the paint and was bumped by a moving Hibbert, pumped faked and had Hibbert come down on his arm and then got blocked cleanly when he finally put it up. If you’re going to let Hibbert hit him twice with no call, Melo has no chance.

  183. ruruland

    Are there enough skyscrapers in NY for Knicks fans to jump off tonight?

    I’m out. See ya after the playoffs.

  184. Brian Cronin Post author

    I’m out. See ya after the playoffs.

    I agree that the overreactions are just that (all season long, when they win, they’re the best and when they win, they’re the worst – it’s silly), but come on, there’s no way in the world you’re seriously not going to comment until the playoffs are over, so saying so is pretty silly.

  185. bobneptune

    ruruland:
    Are there enough skyscrapers in NY for Knicks fans to jump off tonight?

    I’m out. See ya after the playoffs.

    ?????

    Honestly, are you 12 or something? For the last months any time someone makes a negative comment you say “Bookmarked”.

    Now your idol has 4 awful games in a row any your defense is the officials have it in for melo and then you announce you quit. Announce it, mind you.

    If you were my son you’d be in the time out chair :-)

  186. bobneptune

    DCrockett17: The matchups are different here. We need him to pull West away from the paint.

    I’d be allot more concerned with getting Hibbert away from the paint.

  187. nicos

    mr.JayP: In that moment, he needed to put in Cope. I think Kidd was out there with them as well? D and O were bad.

    But like stated, we scored 95 pts. how in the world did we let ind. score a 100+ AT HOME?

    I think the only lineup you can really play Cope is with both Melo and Chandler. The only thing he can do on defense is guard the post (which he’s done surprisingly well) but his rotations, on the rare occasions they aren’t late or missing entirely, are completely ineffective anyway. Also, playing a big who rebounds like a point guard is hardly a recipe for success against a great rebounding team like Indiana. Having him at the 4 alongside Kmart, who isn’t exactly a demon on the boards- his career rebound rate is well below Amar’e's- isn’t sustainable in the long run against Indiana.

  188. flossy

    ruruland:
    Are there enough skyscrapers in NY for Knicks fans to jump off tonight?

    I’m out. See ya after the playoffs.

    Seriously though? Is there enough water in the Hudson for you to wash the sand out of your vagina?

    I think we are entitled to be frustrated by the fact that in the playoffs to date:

    –Melo and JR have seen their usage skyrocket and their efficiency plummet

    –Tyson Chandler has not shown up at all

    –We came thisclose to sweeping Boston but instead choked away game 4, talked a bunch of trash before game 5 and then got embarrassed, and then very nearly choked away game 6 in historic fashion before finally putting away an aged, injury-ravaged Celtics squad and limped, banged-up and tired, into the second round where we…

    –Proceeded immediately to give up home court advantage in said 2nd round by surrendering a ton of open looks from outside while completely wilting in the face of physical play, failing completely to adjust from the offensive strategy of “drive your face directly into Roy Hibbert’s armpit.”

    Yeah, we have a right to be salty. Our best, 2nd best, 3rd best players are all playing like trash and the team is consistently failing to keep its composure when it matters most and signaling as loudly as possible that we’re more pretender than contender. It’s great that you’re confident that everything’s going to turn around, but the bitching is absolutely justified and frankly, we’re entitled to it.

    If the only way you can respond is to condescend to us all about how to act in the playoffs (as if you’ve watched Melo’s teams advance to the 2nd round more than once in the past decade…) before picking up your ball and going home, then maybe you shouldn’t post? People are allowed to disagree with your One True Opinion, and we are *definitely* entitled to be gloomy and pessimistic if we want.

  189. cgreene

    ruruland:
    Are there enough skyscrapers in NY for Knicks fans to jump off tonight?

    I’m out. See ya after the playoffs.

    Exactly what I thought. Joke. Telling life long Knicks fans that THEY are bailing bc they see the team’s best player shitting the bed for 4 straight games (except for a great 3 mins at the end of Game 6). Guaranteed you dont come back if the Knicks lose this series with Melo shooting below 40%.

  190. d-mar

    The tone of this series could change in a heartbeat. Have you guys watched NBA playoff basketball over the years (or this year)? One team goes up 1-0 (see Nets-Chicago) or 2-0 (see Clippers- Memphis) and then everything changes.

    And flossy, to treat beating Boston in 6 as some kind of negative is just plain ridiculous. We won 4 times, they won twice, we were the better team, they were the lesser team. I don’t care about blown leads or wearing black.

    Now if the Knicks go down 2-0, then it’s time to panic. But I really don’t see that happening, this is going to be a long slog that should end up in a game 7 at MSG and then it’s a tossup.

  191. AnonymousODG

    Melo getting most of the blame for the loss when he wasn’t even the worst (JR), second worst (Hibbert’s B1tch), or even third worst player (Kidd) tonight, is a bit tiresome at this point. But as it often is, losses bring out the haters.

    Which makes a person just wonder why 90% of the critical conversation still revolves around Melo.

    nyk8806: I guess you and I have a different definition of striking distance.Down 8 points with 2:45 remaining in a second round playoff game isn’t exactly even money.Last conceivable point when we had a greater than 1% chance of turning it around?Sure.I’m way less pissed about his play there than the 28 minutes of hot garbage that preceded it (agreed that it was a questionable call).

    Down 8 pts wh the ball, with plenty of timeouts, a sudden surge of offense from Melo/JR, a huge shift in defensive momentum (leading to a shot clock violation) with just under 3 minutes remaining sounds like we’re in “striking distance.” Why you’re moving the goalposts and talking about “even money” is on you.

    And, no, face-checking players and shoving them whilst hooking their arms without even glancing over your shoulder to see where the ball is going isn’t a “questionable call.” That’s a loose ball foul.

    How people are defending Hibbert’s B1tch after today is just mind-boggling.

  192. flossy

    d-mar:
    The tone of this series could change in a heartbeat. Have you guys watched NBA playoff basketball over the years (or this year)? One team goes up 1-0 (see Nets-Chicago) or 2-0 (see Clippers- Memphis) and then everything changes.

    And flossy, to treat beating Boston in 6 as some kind of negative is just plain ridiculous. We won 4 times, they won twice, we were the better team, they were the lesser team. I don’t care about blown leads or wearing black.

    Now if the Knicks go down 2-0, then it’s time to panic. But I really don’t see that happening, this is going to be a long slog that should end up in a game 7 at MSG and then it’s a tossup.

    Who is panicking? We’re complaining, and for good reason. No, the #2 seed doesn’t get a gold star for winning its opening series against a #7 team without its starting PG. I still expect the Knicks to eventually win this series, but a) they just made it a lot harder for themselves, and b) if our stars don’t pick up their play in a major way, we won’t win period. That much should be obvious. And Melo, Chandler and JR have shown few signs over the past few games of getting it.

  193. david

    Maxwell — that’s exactly what i was thinking, playing Cope at the 5. We’ll get eaten up on defense but will give them a different look on the other end. Could be worth a shot for a few minutes….

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