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Tuesday, July 29, 2014

Playoff Game Thread: Knicks @ Pacers Game 3

Well, here we go, the first game 3 the Knicks have played in the second round since 2000!

Seriously, though, the Knicks pretty much have to at least bring a split back to MSG for Game 5, so they need to get one of these two games in Indiana. Might as well be tonight!

In the Knicks’ year-long hokey pokey dance, Amar’e is about to put his right knee in but JR Smith might have to take his whole body out as he is sick and is listed as questionable for tonight (he missed today’s shootaround).

Should be a really interesting game (and hopefully a really interesting win).

Let’s go Knicks!

277 comments on “Playoff Game Thread: Knicks @ Pacers Game 3

  1. Earl is the new Starks

    @dogrufus

    I don’t get why you would post that. Either you’re wrong and everyone quotes you as a naysayer, or you’re right, in which case congrats, the Knicks still lost.

    Sit down and enjoy the game!

  2. Kikuchiyo

    Dogrufus, you get the entire last thread to go on and on. We get it. Now stop.

    Everyone else, don’t feed the troll.

  3. Spree8nyk8

    Hey, can someone answer a restricted area question for me? My understanding of the restricted area was that any contact within the restricted area was considered a defensive foul. So why does it matter if Hibbert is supposedly going straight up (although many of the times he goes straight up with his hands going forward imo)? I’ve seen all these times where Melo or JR are getting hammered and the announcers are saying that it’s no foul because he was going straight up which I get, but I was under the impression that he couldn’t do that from within the restricted area. Am I wrong on that?

  4. JK47

    Durant bricks two free throws, then the Thunder steal the ball back anyway, and the resulting offensive play is… a 28-foot Derek Fisher jumper.

  5. Spree8nyk8

    dogrufus: The beginning of the game thread is where fans usually post their predictions.Mine just happen to be negative.

    There are times where you say positive things?

  6. Spree8nyk8

    dogrufus: Of course!For example, I am very positive about the Pacers’ chances in games 3 and 4

    Duh, most pacer fans are…

  7. Spree8nyk8

    dogrufus: Both me and Kim Jong Un take a dump every morning.

    Does this make me Kim Jong Un?

    Do you deny being a pacer fan?

  8. Spree8nyk8

    Not picking on him, it’s just a question. I mean it’s fairly obvious really.

  9. alchpe17

    Knicks win by 11…5 Knicks in double figures…stat exceeds everyones expectations…Chandler with a double-double game.

  10. Earl is the new Starks

    According to NBA.com:

    Restricted Area: Any player may be in the “restricted area” if the offensive player receives the ball in the lower defensive box. If contact between players takes place on this type of play it does not necessarily mean a foul has been committed. The official must judge whether the contact is negligible and/or incidental, judging each situation separately.

  11. AnonymousODG

    llcoolbp: Hope being sick forces him to focus, sometimes it can actually helps players. For your post 11, not sure about the specific answer.

    What was the illness? A sudden case of pussy-itis?

  12. Spree8nyk8

    I know the Knicks have to deal with the Pacers before they could even think about the Heat. But jeez man, they blew out the Heat 3 times during the season and lost a game that Woodson made some horrible decisions in with a 14 pt lead, yet according to anyone that has a microphone if they do meet they have 0.0% chance of winning. I can’t remember any series where the team that got beat like that during the regular season was considered to be that strong of a lock. It shouldn’t bother me, but it really does.

  13. Spree8nyk8

    Hubert Davis:
    I’ve got a bad feeling.

    I don’t, we only need one of these games, and the Pacers need this game flat out, they can’t afford to give back home court this particular game because then game 4 would become a must win. I feel good about this game.

  14. Juany8

    Spree8nyk8:
    I know the Knicks have to deal with the Pacers before they could even think about the Heat.But jeez man, they blew out the Heat 3 times during the season and lost a game that Woodson made some horrible decisions in with a 14 pt lead, yet according to anyone that has a microphone if they do meet they have 0.0% chance of winning.I can’t remember any series where the team that got beat like that during the regular season was considered to be that strong of a lock.It shouldn’t bother me, but it really does.

    The Knicks are everyone’s punching bag. When Dallas won the championship, there were people who picked against them all 4 rounds, including Hollinger. When the narrative becomes “Player X can’t win a championship”, their respective teams are constantly disrespected all the time. To do otherwise would be to admit that you were wrong about Player X, and most people are just not good at admitting they are wrong (me included I’ll admit, it just sucks lol)

  15. Brian Cronin Post author

    It is ridiculous that Felton is freaking out over not getting that call.

  16. Hubert Davis

    Did I really just see us triple team Roy Hibbert in the post leading to an open Paul George 3?

  17. Brian Cronin Post author

    The first good ball movement of the game and Melo gets a three. Good.

  18. Juany8

    Chandler can’t even get rebounds when he’s the only guy under the rim. I miss the Chandler who would totally shut down the paint while being able to hold his own on the perimeter against Lebron freaking James. All the talk about Melo and JR getting hot is totally moot, Chandler was supposed to be New York’s ace in the hole against Miami, one of the very few centers capable of keeping up with Miami’s fast paced attack while also being able to dominate the glass.

    This version is pretty mediocre…

  19. AnonymousODG

    AnonymousODG:
    That’s 3 offensive rebounds Hibbert’s B1tch has given up already.

    Now it’s 5 offensive rebounds. Thanks, Hibbert’s B1tch.

  20. Earl is the new Starks

    We gave up 11 points in 7 minutes. That’s good D. We blew assignments on a few possessions, but also forced turnovers and have stifled their big men so far.

  21. Juany8

    Oh hey look, it’s really easy to make up a 7 point deficit in the first quarter. Who knew?

  22. Brian Cronin Post author

    That’s someone’s bitch, huh?

    Yeah, I don’t like the whole “rip on a guy when he does poorly and then say nothing when he does well.”

  23. Juany8

    JR looks like he is purposely sabotaging this team. Holy shit this is the worst few minutes I have ever seen a player play. Woody is going to lose the rest of the fucking team if JR is literally allowed to just throw away this game

  24. Brian Cronin Post author

    JR looks like he is purposely sabotaging this team. Holy shit this is the worst few minutes I have ever seen a player play. Woody is going to lose the rest of the fucking team if JR is literally allowed to just throw away this game

    Sam Young in Game 1 comes close! But yeah, JR likely just needs to sit and get healthy.

  25. Hubert Davis

    I don’t recall many instances where JR starts really bad and then gets better. And this is about as bad a start as I’ve ever seen. Woodson can’t let him take us down.

  26. llcoolbp

    There is no way cope is worse then earl at this point. Earls play is costing him upwards of 30-40 million. Never seen someone self destruct like this before.

  27. Hubert Davis

    Amazing. We even double Tyler Hansbrough in the post when he’s being guarded by Martin.

  28. Brian Cronin Post author

    It is great that they didn’t score there. This game is extremely winnable. When will we see STAT?

  29. AnonymousODG

    Hubert Davis:
    That’s someone’s bitch, huh?

    I’m not going to compliment a guy for standing underneath the basket on a 3 pt shot and getting lucky with an offensive rebound because Melo shot a ridiculously bad 3 pt shot that barely grazed the rim when he gives up 5 offensive rebounds in the first 7 minutes of play.

    Anybody who is even remotely familiar with basketball understands that a missed 3 pt shot will fall right beneath the basket as seldomly as Hibbert’s B1tch makes an open mid-range jumpshot.

    So yeah, until he manages a double-digit rebounding game this series, the name stays.

  30. Juany8

    Woodson looks like he’d rather lose with Kidd and JR than bench them to see what Prigs and Shump can do. At some point you need to just accept that a player who’s scored 0 points in 6 games needs to play a little less, leadership be damned.

  31. Earl is the new Starks

    I get the feeling STAT is gonna start the second quarter. One quarter in the books, I feel good about the Knicks so far. We haven’t gone on a run yet, and we’re hanging in the game.

  32. alchpe17

    Knicks need to stay close on the rebounding with them and NO SECOND CHANCE POINTS!

  33. DRed

    15 points and we’re only down 3. That was hideous. But our upside potential is tremendous

  34. Brian Cronin Post author

    STAT would likely refer a better first defensive opportunity than that. I love that he drew the foul, though!

  35. ephus

    That is the alpha and omega of STAT. He is going to give up offensive rebounds. He is also going to accumulate fouls on the Pacers.

  36. AnonymousODG

    I can’t believe they took out JR. We’re going to place our offense completely into the hands of someone who hasn’t played in two months????????

  37. Brian Cronin Post author

    The Pacers are missing some open looks from three. Good to see, but scary.

  38. Hubert Davis

    Earl is the new Starks:
    We gave up 11 points in 7 minutes.That’s good D.We blew assignments on a few possessions, but also forced turnovers and have stifled their big men so far.

    You’re right is has been good for the most part. The open looks are driving me nuts tho.

  39. Hubert Davis

    AnonymousODG:

    So yeah, until he manages a double-digit rebounding game this series, the name stays.

    Or until you’re in a room w him, in which case you would shit yourself.

  40. ephus

    Everyone who has been jumping on Woodson, where is the credit for the timely zone. This is a gear that was missing last year.

  41. mr.JayP

    Having stat, even for 10-15min makes us better without question.

    Kinda crazy to think what 10-15min of rose would do for chi.

  42. AnonymousODG

    Hubert Davis: Or until you’re in a room w him, in which case you would shit yourself.

    Which wouldn’t change him getting a total of 7 rebounds in the first two games of the series and, again, permitting 5 offensive rebounds in 7 minutes of play. I am done giving him a pass. I will ride his mediocre play as mercilessly as everyone else is riding JR or Melo or Kidd.

    I understand the instinct to defend a Knick (any Knick). But that’s more of a response than you deserve for deflecting with a pointless non-sequitur.

  43. llcoolbp

    This is a slog it out game. We are one solid stretch of offense from making this a rout. Unfortunately, so is the other team. I’ll put my money on melo.

  44. Tony Pena

    Spree8nyk8:
    Hey, can someone answer a restricted area question for me?My understanding of the restricted area was that any contact within the restricted area was considered a defensive foul.So why does it matter if Hibbert is supposedly going straight up

    That does seem like the same as stepping in front of a players path.

  45. ephus

    llcoolbp:
    This is a slog it out game. We are one solid stretch of offense from making this a rout. Unfortunately, so is the other team. I’ll put my money on melo.

    +1

  46. Earl is the new Starks

    I would just like to point out that the Pacers are shooting better from 3 than from 2, and better from 2 than from free throws.

  47. ephus

    Before the series I took it for granted that Tyson Chandler could handle Hibbert without help in the post.

    I WAS WRONG !

  48. JK47

    The Knicks are not doing anything well. They’re not protecting the ball, not making shots, not defending the glass… Basically they’re not doing shit and about 1/3 of their points have been gifts from the refs.

    They look very, very bad.

  49. Earl is the new Starks

    Pacers are going on a run, we knew that would happen. The Knicks have at least one of those in them. Hopefully we don’t wait until it’s too late.

  50. Hubert Davis

    llcoolbp:
    This is a slog it out game. We are one solid stretch of offense from making this a rout. Unfortunately, so is the other team. I’ll put my money on melo.

    I don’t know, Melo is great but wide open shots and an endless buffet of offensive rebounds are hard to bet against.

  51. Juany8

    Chandler looks like the worst big of this series and the rest of the team looks asleep. You’d think they could show some intensity in a freaking playoff game.

  52. JK47

    Tyson Chandler is the worst ever.

    Really, the guy is just a huge liability out there. Just a total stiff. I miss Eddy Curry.

  53. Brian Cronin Post author

    I love that the Pacers have only scored 16 points so far and are plus SEVEN for the quarter!

  54. Brian Cronin Post author

    Chandler looks like the worst big of this series and the rest of the team looks asleep. You’d think they could show some intensity in a freaking playoff game.

    And it’s not even a day game, so even if they were partying, they should be fine by now!

  55. alchpe17

    dogrufus:
    Love how everyone acted like I was irrational for predicting this exact outcome.

    Worst offensive team by far.All our strengths are now gaping weaknesses.Just paper thin.

    If we score 60 it’ll only be because of garbage time

    Yo- just stop calling yourself a knick fan.

  56. Brian Cronin Post author

    Who in the world gets the ball with 40 seconds left and then doesn’t go two for one? Terrible coaching for the Pacers and great for the Knicks. The Knicks are so in this game! Thank god for Pacer stupidity!

  57. JK47

    Aaaaaand they’re only down 3 at the half.

    The Pacers had NYK on the ropes and let them right back in the game. They’ll regret that.

  58. Earl is the new Starks

    Welp, that happened. How about we never speak about that half again? Neither team should feel particularly happy about their (offensive) performance.

  59. Brian Cronin Post author

    that looked like a line drive straight to the rim…

    JR, though, is a bad shot shooter, so it going in is the big thing for him.

  60. llcoolbp

    I must say I’m pleased with the Knicks resilience under hostile conditions, with a sick earl, a obviously less then 100% Tyson, Felton having his worst game of the playoffs, and trying to work stat back in.

  61. Douglas

    Amazing how we’re only down 3 with all the ineffectual scratching and clawing that’s been our offense.

  62. Brian Cronin Post author

    Welp, that happened. How about we never speak about that half again? Neither team should feel particularly happy about their (offensive) performance.

    Exactly. That was an embarrassing half for everyone involved.

  63. AnonymousODG

    ephus:
    I love the way Melo played the last three minutes.

    I love the way the Pacers are barely shooting over 30% for the game. Thank god for that.

  64. Hubert Davis

    ephus:
    I love the way Melo played the last three minutes.

    Yeah, he picked it up with West out and got us back in the game.

    The Pacers look like they’re going to have our game 1 with the officials. We need to take this.

    Woodson did some good things in that half:

    1. the zone was inspired.

    2. he limited JR’s minutes.

  65. Earl is the new Starks

    This game is a few hard fouls away from being a Knicks-Pacers game from the 90′s. No bad blood between the teams like we had back then. Then again, no one outside of Kevin Garnett does the whole “bad blood” thing anymore.

  66. mr.JayP

    Earl is the new Starks:
    This game is a few hard fouls away from being a Knicks-Pacers game from the 90?s.No bad blood between the teams like we had back then.Then again, no one outside of Kevin Garnett does the whole “bad blood” thing anymore.

    and doesnt that suck?

  67. JR Sec 112

    JR looked better. Melo is playing great. Those are positives. We havent hit any 3s. We turned the ball over 10 times. We literally just need to score for 1 quarter and we win this game. Like game 2. One run. This is the kind of half Indiana needs to be up 15-17 points after. I like our chances.

  68. Earl is the new Starks

    mr.JayP: and doesnt that suck?

    Definitely. Back then, teams HATED each other, and it made the games a lot more entertaining. Now it’s all sunshine and rainbows.

  69. mr.JayP

    Felt and shump need to get going on offense. once that happen i dont see the pacers winning this.

  70. AnonymousODG

    Earl is the new Starks:
    This game is a few hard fouls away from being a Knicks-Pacers game from the 90?s.No bad blood between the teams like we had back then.Then again, no one outside of Kevin Garnett does the whole “bad blood” thing anymore.

    I’d like to direct you to something I’d like to call the “Miami Heat vs. Chicago Bulls” series. As much as I hate both teams (former more than the latter) and as much as a bunch of them are acting like pouty little girls, they definitely got bad blood.

  71. ephus

    Hubert Davis: Yeah, he picked it up with West out and got us back in the game.

    The Pacers look like they’re going to have our game 1 with the officials.We need to take this.

    Woodson did some good things in that half:

    1. the zone was inspired.

    2. he limited JR’s minutes.

    Yup.

    Knicks need someone to hit from the perimeter to open the lane for Melo. Or STAT to slash and foul out West/Hibbert.

  72. AnonymousODG

    dogrufus:
    Why would anyone feel confident after that half?

    All their shots are easy as hell.All ours are hard as hell.

    Because they’re shooting 31%, are pouting over foul calls, and blew a 10 pt lead. If the positions were reversed, you’d be ringing the death knell for the Knicks for having given the game away.

  73. Earl is the new Starks

    dogrufus:
    Why would anyone feel confident after that half?

    All their shots are easy as hell.All ours are hard as hell.

    That’s exactly why I feel confident. We’re down 3 despite the fact that they took 16 more shots than us. Indiana hasn’t shown that they can put us away, and we’re dangerous if you give us a chance.

  74. Hubert Davis

    I’m going to do a shot of whiskey every time Jason Kidd scores a FG. I doubt I’ll get drunk.

  75. Juany8

    For what it’s worth Melo is playing pretty much the exact game you would want out of him. Everyone else is just playing awful.

  76. Juany8

    Hubert Davis:
    I’m going to do a shot of whiskey every time Jason Kidd scores a FG.I doubt I’ll get drunk.

    You could probably do a full glass per made shot and you’d still be fine

  77. AnonymousODG

    dogrufus: What % are we shooting?What’s our typical shot quality compared to theirs?Who figures to be more likely to shoot better over time given similar shots?

    Hint:Their shots are better, they’ll shoot better.

    Well in an imaginary universe, where the 1st half plays out EXACTLY like the 2nd half, you’d be exactly right. As it stands, this infantile logic relies on this game being static and completely ignoring how we finished that half and are starting this half.

    Granted, if Hibbert’s B1tch keeps giving up more offensive rebounds…

  78. mr.JayP

    dogrufus:
    Well, looks like we’ll never get any closer than 3 under any circumstances.

    that amount of crap your gonna have to deal with when the knicks win will be a sight to see LOL

  79. Hubert Davis

    This is really smart attacking West w Shumpert. JVG is right though, they should put him on Kidd.

    Chandler is awful tonight.

  80. AnonymousODG

    mr.JayP:
    bullshit tech.

    If Hibbert or West did that, I’d want a tech. Chandler may not have meant it as an insult, but he knew exactly how it looked to the refs.

  81. AnonymousODG

    dogrufus: And what about the 2nd half looks different so far?

    I still see:we can’t score for shit, can’t get a rebound, and give up wide open threes over and over

    Chandler didn’t give up 5 offensive rebounds in the first 7 minutes of play. He only gave up 2. Was this supposed to be a serious question or are you trying to confuse us with intentional stupidity?

  82. Earl is the new Starks

    Knicks have 20 defensive rebounds, Pacers have 15 offensive rebounds. Pacers are rebounding 43% of their missed shots, Knicks are rebounding 12% of theirs. We’ve either gotta start rebounding or forcing more turnovers if we want to win this.

  83. Earl is the new Starks

    Knicks need to put in Novak, Melo, Prigs, Shump, and Kenyon, and just start launching 3′s.

  84. Juany8

    Knicks playing with absolutely no intensity right now. They look like they’re hoping JR and Melo will just bail them out.

  85. AnonymousODG

    Hibbert’s B1tch decided not to grab a single rebound in the 3rd quarter. He’s got better things to do obviously.

  86. AnonymousODG

    dogrufus:
    Wouldn’t it be great if we ever drafted players so we could have studs like George and Hibbert?

    Instead we get to buy high on flawed and injury prone “stars” for 20 mill a year when they hit 30.

    2010 called, it wants your insight back.

  87. Earl is the new Starks

    This game doesn’t feel over yet. If our shots start falling, our defense has been good enough that we can get back in this game.

  88. Earl is the new Starks

    dogrufus:
    I’d bet $1,000 we won’t achieve the pacers’ current point total of 58 by game’s end

    Really? I’ll take you up on that!

  89. AnonymousODG

    Earl is the new Starks:
    This game doesn’t feel over yet.If our shots start falling, our defense has been good enough that we can get back in this game.

    If Hibbert’s B1tch brings one of his patented redeeming 4th quarters and JR heats up, we’ll always have a chance.

  90. hegotgame

    THEY FINALY CALLED A F**CKING TRAVEL ON HIBBERT. GOD.

    This has been irking me all game long. His footwork is unbelievably jerky and he travels 50% of the damn time. The play before they called it at last he travelled quite blatantly as well.

  91. mr.JayP

    JK47:
    Just not our day. One more chance to save the season in Game 4.

    this game is still winnable. i think melo will go off in the 4th and will a win

  92. Will the Thrill

    So many open 3s for the pacers, I’d much rather have them try to beat us down low posting up because those are much harder shots.

  93. hegotgame

    dogrufus: It’s not the refs, dude.We’re just utterly outclassed.Hibbert and George are worlds better than anyone we have.

    We literally cannot create a quality shot under any circumstances.It’s just incredible how pathetic our offense is.

    Our offenses is certainly bad tonight. No1 other than Melo has showed up. Absolutely noone (and we’ll wonder why he doesn’t trust teamaates after games like this)

    BUT the refs have just been funky all game long. Melo has had 3 very dodgy fouls called on him and hibbert has just been playing hop-scotch in the paint. Not a recipe for success.. Not the only ingredient in our little clusterf*ck stew right now, but certainly adding a distinct flavor.

  94. smokinjoe

    There must be something wrong with Chandler that we dont know about..is he this bad? Or is Hibbert just this good?…we are in big trouble if this holds for the rest of the series..love Amares energy by BTW..

  95. AnonymousODG

    dogrufus: LOL.We’re down by 11.We won’t score that many in the whole quarter

    Down by 9 if the refs reviewed that 24 second shot clock violation correctly.

  96. Earl is the new Starks

    They just want it more than we do right now. We’re playing with no intensity.

  97. AnonymousODG

    dogrufus: If only there was another potential option at PG we gave away for nothing

    I didn’t realize until now you’re just a butthurt Jeremy Lin fan. LAWL

    As a self-professed true-blue Knicks fan, did it make you feel better or worse that he was completely worthless in the playoffs?

  98. Douglas

    If we got anything besides zero production from Felton tonight, this would be an even game.

  99. bidiong

    Can we honestly go with our big . Jesus. Amaré had more energy than anyone else out there.

  100. Earl is the new Starks

    dogrufus:
    Paul George is so much better than Melo it’s ridiculous.

    There’s a difference between being better and playing better. Paul George is playing better than Melo tonight, but there’s no way he’s better than Melo. I wouldn’t make that trade straight-up, and neither would any GM in the league.

    On a completely different subject, when are they gonna stop showing commercials of Clippers players? It’s seriously getting old.

  101. ephus

    Chandler has to keep getting low on Hibbert so he can’t get deep post position. And if he can’t do that, he can’t play.

  102. AnonymousODG

    dogrufus: THe asset we could have traded him for wouldn’t have been worthless.It’d either be helping our team now or providing hope for the future in the form of a draft pick

    Thanks for answering the question

    I like the hypothesis that we should have beat out the Rockets’ offer and somehow parlay that into a trade to some imaginary team who would be willing to take that ridiculous contract or, barring that, make the Knicks eat part of that contract for this sterling draft pick that surely would have helped us a year or two down the road. And I’m sure the Rockets will execute this plan of your’s in the offseason.

    Ladies and gentlemen, your New York Knicks fans.

  103. Juany8

    Knicks look totally lazy right now. This is pathetic from a supposed championship contender. How do you not have any energy after 4 days off?

  104. AnonymousODG

    Even I didn’t think Hibbert’s B1tch could play this poorly. Wow. This is a repeat performance of Game 1. Except he’s got 5 rebounds instead of 3 and Hibbert’s got 22 pts instead of 14. Not a good tradeoff.

  105. ephus

    Let me make this clear. Chandler has to stay stapled to Hibbert and keep him out of the deep post and off of the offensive glass. If someone else gets to the rim on a blowby, oh well.

    This is a major between games adjustment.

  106. AnonymousODG

    dogrufus: If the rockets valued Lin enough to offer that contract, other teams would have valued him enough too.

    Yes, we know this for a fact because other teams were actually vying for Jeremy Lin in free agency. Oh, wait.

  107. Earl is the new Starks

    Can’t blame this loss on Melo. 20 points on 15 shots is acceptable. This one falls on Chandler, Felton, JR, and Woodson for the weird lineups we’ve seen all night. Where’s Copeland, even Camby? Camby might be able to put some pressure on Hibbert.

  108. Juany8

    West and Hibbert have more offensive rebounds than Chandler has total rebounds. Kind of the difference in the game right there.

  109. John R.

    Its actually depressing to think we have to play them again twice in India-no- place.

  110. Juany8

    Well aftert this game it seems clear the Knicks are pretty damn terrible on extra rest.

  111. Earl is the new Starks

    The Knicks are a good team, this was just a bad matchup on a bad day. We built our team to beat Miami through smallball. Now we had to face Boston and Indiana back-to-back, two of the three most physical teams in the East. Tough draw on our part, hopefully we’re talented enough that we can still pull out a win in this series.

  112. JK47

    Very poor performance by NYK all around, very discouraging. With Earl falling apart and Tyson Chandler playing like a complete stiff this bunch does not have the horses. At least not today.

  113. AnonymousODG

    Earl is the new Starks:
    Can’t blame this loss on Melo.20 points on 15 shots is acceptable.This one falls on Chandler, Felton, JR, and Woodson for the weird lineups we’ve seen all night.Where’s Copeland, even Camby?Camby might be able to put some pressure on Hibbert.

    Actually, there is one thing. I don’t think Melo did enough on the boards. Which is totally unfair, yes. But he averaged 8 rebs the last five games (which nobody noticed) and only has 5 tonight. The foul trouble compromised his ability to intensify his boxing out. It’s unfair to expect so much of him, but it’s definitely needed now.

  114. Juany8

    Well this game was terrible, Knicks need to ask themselves if they actually want to win this fucking series or if they’re going to be happy with a nice regular season and beating the Celtics. They just did not show up today in any manner whatsoever. Pathetic effort, and it can’t keep freaking happening

  115. Hubert Davis

    One good quarter through 3 games. They have been markedly better than us for the other 11.

    Woodson is failing. We’ve abandoned our offense and we’re playing the wrong lineups.

    I have no faith in him straightening this out. None.

  116. jaredrutledge

    got it almost all right. you’re annoying but you may be prescient

    dogrufus:
    Going to have to call this one a bad loss, either we’re down double figures by the 1st quarter or we collapse down the stretch and blow a lead.

    Felton’s shooting will crash back to earth, Melo will go 8-26, and we will at some point go 11 minutes+ without a FG.We will make under five threes, shoot under 30% from 3, and score under 75 points.

    We have a better chance of winning game 4 (though we will still lose).

  117. John R.

    I just looked at last years playoff bracket. Loads of teams were actually down 2-0, 2-1 and 3-2 (in separate series) and won.

    But Tuesday is going to be the biggest game of the year. Really, I am just counting on the law of averages for the Knicks to win game 4.

    Now actually this lineup is capable of moving the ball on offense. More of Quentin in Game 4 would be nice actually.

  118. yellowboy90

    You never supposed to acknowledge dogrufus when he does his thing. Why did that poster acknowledge him?

  119. AnonymousODG

    I don’t get the doom and gloom attitude. We expected to lose in IND. At best, steal 1 of 3 somewhere. Everybody played poorly. Felton, JR, Hibert’s B1tch all played spectacularly badly. I don’t expect that to continue.

    Melo and KMart will do a better job in the frontcourt. Kidd and Prigs will wake up and remember that they at least have to have a basket between the two of them in a playoff game. STAT looked good and will help lessen this JR stink.

    And it’ll all come down to Felton again. But I’ll take our chances there because he’s proven he can lead us in the playoffs.

  120. BigBlueAL

    dogrufus: A little less for me since I knew exactly what was coming, but yep.

    Season over next game.

    What would it take for you to stop commenting here?? Money?? Im sure we would all be willing to put in money if it would mean you would stop commenting here. You have completely ruined game days on this site.

  121. Brian Cronin Post author

    Obviously, “all” they need to do is win Game 4 and they’ll have home court again. Will that happen? Well, we shall find out on Tuesday!

  122. ballents

    I created an account just to make this request: dogrufus, please stop posting here. I have lots of reasons why I wish you would go away (or add something substantive to the conversation), but I don’t need to write an essay here with nuanced arguments. It’s really simple for me.

    There are a lot of posters on this site who have legitimately interesting and insightful things to say about the knicks and about basketball. I have enjoyed coming to this site for a very long time, but with dogrufus dominating these threads and everyone else falling into the trap of responding to his bs, it’s no longer fun or interesting to read the threads on this site.

    This is not a huge deal for me. I will go other places for analysis, or just talk to my friends. It’s just a bummer because I enjoyed the sophistication of the conversations on this site.

    I don’t know what you get out of this dogrufus, but I would certainly appreciate it if you made less posts, and spent more time coming up with something interesting to say when you do post.

  123. Brian Cronin Post author

    By the way, if you think the Knicks will take only 11 threes in Game 4 and/or make only 3 threes in Game 4 then you are mistaken.

  124. Z-man

    I have to admit, I thought we’d win this one. That doens’t make dogrufus any less of an insufferable asshole.

  125. Brian Cronin Post author

    What the hell was up with Woody and Felton mixing it up during the game?

  126. Hubert Davis

    John R.:
    I just looked at last years playoff bracket. Loads of teams were actually down 2-0, 2-1 and 3-2 (in separate series) and won.

    But Tuesday is going to be the biggest game of the year. Really, I am just counting on the law of averages for the Knicks to win game 4.

    Now actually this lineup is capable of moving the ball on offense. More of Quentin in Game 4 would be nice actually.

    Those teams all made adjustments.

    There are adjustments to be made in or series but I doubt we’ll make them.

    For one thing, we can eliminate the Felton-JR-Melo-Kidd-Chandler lineup that destroys our offense every time we play it.

  127. AnonymousODG

    dogrufus: I do like money.How much do you offer?

    If one pessimistic person completely ruins game days for you, you should try getting a thicker skin.

    And if pretty much everybody tells you to shut up, you should try shutting up.

  128. AnonymousODG

    Hubert Davis: Those teams all made adjustments.

    There are adjustments to be made in or series but I doubt we’ll make them.

    For one thing, we can eliminate the Felton-JR-Melo-Kidd-Chandler lineup that destroys our offense every time we play it.

    That’s our close-out lineup, dude. We’ve won a heck lot of games with that lineup. Sure it looks bad when all five players are playing badly against one of the best defenses in the NBA, but we can’t just abandon it.

    I would like to see a Prigs-JR-Shump-STAT-KMart lineup though when Melo and Felton rest. I still don’t understand why Woodson pulled out JR for Kidd when STAT came in.

  129. MarcusRinaldi

    Where I am most confused, is in Woodson’s usage of Jason Kidd. Sure he may have the highest basketball iq on the team, make some good steals and passes, but hes a liability on the defensive end, and offensive. When’s the last time he even scored? A lineup with Chandler and Kidd is almost useless offensively if Melo and JR are shooting like crap. If you look at are rotation right now, Chandler is good for an alley-oop, or a few put backs, Kidd is good for maybe a three, and Martin is the equivalent of Chandler, but I’d argue he shoots alittle better. Then you have Pablo, whose offense is dependent on the game. That’s 4 of our 8, now 9 with Stat, who have very limited offensive games. Indiana can simply focus on Melo and J.R. Shumpert took advantage of this at times tonight, and Felton had in games 1 and 2, but the Knicks need Copeland or anyone to get hot for a few minutes to free up Melo.

  130. MarcusRinaldi

    dogrufus: No.

    It is nice to know that I inspired you to go from lurker to account holder though.

    It’s interesting that all these folks you regard as basketball luminaries were flat wrong on this game, and I happened to be flat right.Coincidence?Perhaps.

    You know dogrufus, I wouldn’t have thought you were a complete fraud, until you kept saying how much of a stud Hibbert is. Boy is that an idiotic statement. I’ve watched the man since his freshmen year at Georgetown. Hibbert is one of the most frustrating and inconsistent players in the game today. His regular season, if you can remember that far back, i know it was awhile ago, but he played well under expectations for the max contract he received. I live with a diehard Pacers fan, and he’s said it all year, sure his defense is good, but his offense is a hit or miss. Stud? Sure tonight, he was a “stud”, but a inconsistent year, and a really good game three against a rather pathetic Tyson Chandler makes him a stud? Do you recall how crappy he played last year against Chris Bosh and the Miami Heat? He scored 6 points last game. Your just trying to get a rise out of people right now, and it’s pretty pathetic. Don’t bother responding to this either, you won’t get a response. IF you were making good points, I’d gladly welcome your criticism and critique, but this is sadly not the case. I’ve said my peace, deuces

  131. Z-man

    Hey, dogrufus, how does it feel to know that, imo, most people here think that you are as dumb of a poster that anyone who has ever posted here? You are the absolute bottom of the barrel. Congrats, asshole!

  132. AnonymousODG

    dogrufus: No.

    It’s interesting that all these folks you regard as basketball luminaries were flat wrong on this game, and I happened to be flat right.Coincidence?Perhaps.

    Did you just pat yourself on the back and pretend that you were the only one who expected/predicted a tough loss in IND in these playoffs? A retarded bear’s head mounted on a wall could have predicted that the Knicks could lose against IND in their homecourt.

    Find something else less obvious to jerk off to, please. Like predicting that Wednesday comes after Tuesday.

  133. Owen

    Just got done with the game. Dark days. I wish I could say things will get better. Don’t think they will.

    Chandler is playing badly. So is Carmelo. Other than Martin and Shumpert, not sure who is playing even passably. Tonight’s game is exhibit A in why it’s not ideal to run him out there at power forward. And to be honest, i don’t think he is right. I defer to no one in my Melo skepticism but he just doesn’t look completely right physically.

    Two notes. It’s not 21 points on 16 shots. It’s 21 points on 21.5 possessions employed. You have to add the free throws. And maybe the turnovers, but whatever….

    Second note, Paul George is better than Melo. He is an impact player all over the floor who can guard four positions extremely well. And he is much younger, cheaper, and likely to stay cheaper because he isn’t a volume scorer. The trade i have dreamed about is Melo for Granger and George. But I doubt the Pacers would do it. Not his best game but the guys contributes everywhere, something Melo just can’t seem to do.

  134. Spree8nyk8

    Yeah I don’t know why it’s so hard to just admit you are a pacer fan. You certainly aren’t a knick fan.

  135. Spree8nyk8

    dogrufus: Teams come back from there all the time.Usually better teams than us.SAS and MIA this year, for example, are going to do it.We won’t.We’re not good enough compared to Indy that we can survive giving away a home game.

    That fans are grasping at straws like Q-Rich is as indicative of this as anything else.

    why do you say “us”, you aren’t one of “us”

  136. AnonymousODG

    dogrufus: I don’t mind taking some abuse if it helps ease the pain of my fellow fans.

    How magnanimous. Logging off for the rest of the playoffs would help even more.

  137. Spree8nyk8

    Don’t worry guys, we are going to win this series, and then Dogrufus will be no more.

  138. MarcusRinaldi

    dogrufus: Offense is half the game.Defense is where Hibbert’s awesome.He’s like a better version of what Chandler was last year.

    I would actually agree with you their, I’ve never been high on Chandler. I do wonder how much his injury is still effecting him. But even so, at his best, he is not a viable offensive option. So when his defense is slipping, his usefulness is minimal. It’s sad when a 7 foot 1 All-Star, has ZERO back to the basket game. For goodness sake, does he even know 1 post move? I wonder what percentage of his points are generated by others either directly assisting, or put-backs. He looks, and is, completely over-matched by Hibbert. Tim Duncan would have a field day on him. He may not be as bad as Kendrick Perkins, only God knows how that guy is getting major minutes still, but I think the Knicks need to look for some more offense. Yeah Eddy Curry 400 pounds and all, is probably a better post player then Chandler

  139. Spree8nyk8

    dogrufus: If I weren’t a Knick fan why would I be taking these losses so hard?

    lol you aren’t, your team won. You like I said, are not one of US. We are knicks fans, you sir….are something else.

  140. Jake S.

    MarcusRinaldi: I would actually agree with you their, I’ve never been high on Chandler.I do wonder how much his injury is still effecting him.But even so, at his best, he is not a viable offensive option.So when his defense is slipping, his usefulness is minimal.It’s sad when a 7 foot 1 All-Star, has ZERO back to the basket game.For goodness sake, does he even know 1 post move? I wonder what percentage of his points are generated by others either directly assisting, or put-backs.He looks, and is, completely over-matched by Hibbert.Tim Duncan would have a field day on him.He may not be as bad as Kendrick Perkins, only God knows how that guy is getting major minutes still, but I think the Knicks need to look for some more offense.Yeah Eddy Curry 400 pounds and all, is probably a better post player then Chandler

    Curry, God bless him, was pretty good with his back to the basket. And I agree, it’s sort of maddening that Chandler hasn’t developed even a mediocre post-up game — or barring that, a foul-line jump shot.

  141. BigBlueAL

    Owen:
    Just got done with the game. Dark days. I wish I could say things will get better. Don’t think they will.

    Chandler is playing badly. So is Carmelo. Other than Martin and Shumpert, not sure who is playing even passably.Tonight’s game is exhibit A in why it’s not ideal to run him out there at power forward. And to be honest, i don’t think he is right. I defer to no one in my Melo skepticism but he just doesn’t look completely right physically.

    Two notes. It’s not 21 points on 16 shots. It’s 21 points on 21.5 possessions employed. You have to add the free throws. And maybe the turnovers, but whatever….

    Second note, Paul George is better than Melo. He is an impact player all over the floor who can guard four positions extremely well. And he is much younger, cheaper, and likely to stay cheaper because he isn’t a volume scorer. The trade i have dreamed about is Melo for Granger and George. But I doubt the Pacers would do it.Not his best game but the guys contributes everywhere, something Melo just can’t seem to do.

    How could you be so critical of Melo yet like Granger?? Granger does nothing better or even as good as Melo except for shooting 3pters and this season Melo was an excellent 3pt shooter. Plus Ganger might be damaged goods right now.

    I get the love for George, the kid is a great athlete and defender. But he is not a good offensive player right now. He is young and should get better but again right now offensively he is just not that good. Hell tonight he was 4 for 17 including 2 for 12 from 3pt range.

    But yeah Id definitely love to have George and his potential future even if he doesnt improve offensively much he would still be a great player to have.

  142. MeloDrama

    Ya’ll quit feeding Skip Bayless here. If the Knicks lose, Ruf claims to be a genius and if they win, he was reverse jinxing all along. You’re not gonna win the argument with him.

  143. BigBlueAL

    Guys, its pretty obvious Chandler is nowhere near 100%. He can barely jump for crying out loud. He is barely dunking the ball right now whenever he gets the chance.

    Its frustrating watching Hibbert dominate him in the post but Im having a hard time getting worked up over it because again to me he is nowhere near 100%.

  144. Owen

    “How could you be so critical of Melo yet like Granger?? Granger does nothing better or even as good as Melo except for shooting 3pters and this season Melo was an excellent 3pt shooter. Plus Ganger might be damaged goods right now.”

    Granger is expiring. I figured that’s the way to make the contracts match up.

  145. MeloDrama

    If you tried trading Melo for George, you’d have to basically flip the entire roster. It’s built around a big time scorer like Carmelo … if you swapped him with George, the team wouldn’t be able to score enough to really compete on the level they did this year.

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